From: Zorn List Digest Sent: Monday, November 24, 1997 9:25 AM To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #175 Zorn List Digest Monday, November 24 1997 Volume 02 : Number 175 In this issue: - Re: Kenny Wheeler Junk Genius Praxis: 1984 Re: Praxis: 1984 Zony Mash doing commercial music?? Re: The big deal with slick, overproduced _Naked City_ Serge Gainsbourg Re: Burt Bacharach Re: Burt Bacharach & Serge Re: Marclay & Sclavis Wynton does Ornette Bacharach/Minton Re: Bacharach/Minton Re: Bacharach/Minton Re: Serge Gainsbourg Re: The big deal with slick, overproduced _Naked City_ JZ Intvw in Resonance Masada String Trio tour dates? Re: Soundtracks by Christian Marclay Re: Bailey, Konitz etc Re: Bailey, Konitz etc Re: Bailey, Konitz etc Re: Bailey, Konitz etc 300 Statues Alive and Well in Ventura Re: Bailey, Konitz etc Re: Bailey, Konitz etc Partched Re: Bailey, Konitz etc ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:03:33 -0500 (EST) From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Kenny Wheeler In a message dated 97-11-22 03:23:01 EST, you (olewnik@IDT.net) write: << Glad to see a mention of this surface here. This has been a great favorite of mine for a long time. One of the finest cohabitations of African-based jazz and free improv I've ever heard. Has Moholo released anything else on his own that measures up to 'Spirits Rejoice"? I had picked up 'Viva La Black' sometime after this one and found it disappointing. >> _Spirits Rejoice_ has seen more play than most LPs I own, without a doubt. I lived with a tape recording of the LP for a couple of years until I finally came across a copy of the LP in 1984, I think. I bought _Viva la Black_ shortly after it came out, and in comparison with the earlier LP, I also found it uninspired. I'm afraid I have not found anything in comparison, with the possible exception of the Blue Notes, that comes anywhere close. =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:11:27 -0600 (CST) From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU Subject: Junk Genius Can anyone tell me whether the Junk Genius album is any good? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:28:55 -0700 From: David Sebba Subject: Praxis: 1984 Does anyone know anything about the new Praxis album, like who's on it, etc.? David - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:01:13 -0800 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Praxis: 1984 At 01:28 PM 11/22/97 -0700, David Sebba wrote: >Does anyone know anything about the new Praxis album, like who's on it, etc.? > Didn't we just exhaust this subject? It's not new, it'sold, it's very short, it may or may not be worth hearing depending on how much you like metallic beats and some electronic stuff on top if it, it is all Bill and no-one gets any money from it except the person putting out. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:41:59 -0500 (EST) From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Zony Mash doing commercial music?? Isn't that Zony Mash providing the background music for that "Pola-Pulse" camera by Polaroid?? =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:37:22 -0500 (EST) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: Re: The big deal with slick, overproduced _Naked City_ > > This brings to mind a quote i heard attributed to Thurston Moore to the > > effect that 'yeah, torture garden is cool, but it's a bit accademic'. > > > > 'Whoa...', thought i, 'of all the words to attatch to TG, accademic is not > > one that springs to mind.' But i can see what he meant, and it's an > > interesting point. > > I guess you assume that he was serious when he said that... and not just > trying to act like the coolest dude on earth who has seen it all (attitude > that he seems to enjoy a lot (not sure if it is conscious or not)). > > Patrice. er, yeah, i did.... Oops? I don't know Mr. Moore at all at all. It seemed to fit that a guy from Sonic Youth would feel the together-ness of NC a little too practiced...but maybe he's just trying to do the jaded rock start thing. - -jascha - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:55:35 -0700 From: Anish Kejariwal Subject: Serge Gainsbourg Can someone please recommend me a Serge Gainsbourg CD? Also, while I'm at it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD? Thanks, Anish - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:54:05 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Anish Kejariwal wrote: > Also, while I'm at > it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD? I don't have a specific CD to recommend here (I've just started checking his stuff out myself after being converted to his tunes by the Tzadik tribute), but Dionne Warwick seems to be the definitive traditional interpreter of Bacharach, and Bacharach produced and arranged much of her early work. So I'd look around for Dionne Warwick compilations containing a lot of Bacharach tunes. (For what it's worth, Evan Parker and Robert Wyatt are apparently both big Warwick fans.) Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:46:55 -0800 From: xander@sirius.com Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach & Serge >> Also, while I'm at >> it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD? Not at all knowledgeable on BB, but how about the Casino Royale soundtrack? A bit of a collaboration with Herb Albert, it's as kitsch as you can get. Gainsbourg is a more sure bet in my book. If you like what you heard on the comp, I'd recommend getting more complete comps. There was a series of about 10 CDs (on one or the other French majors) released 5 or more years ago. Chronological, too, so just start with the earlier volumes and work your way up at least as far as Melody Nelson. Which progress from jazz pop in the late 50's to rock in the late 60's. Also excellent is the earlier stuff by France Gall. I know there's a huge chronological series of her stuff, and the first two discs were entirely comprised of stuff written for her by Serge. Alexander .Radio Khartoum. www.algonet.se/~elegans/radiok/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:05:43 -0500 From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Marclay & Sclavis > Michael Howes wrote: > > > >> There is an amazing piece called "Duo" with Marclay and Louis > > Sclavis that > > >>goes for 27+ minutes. > > > > > >> I absolutely love the Marclay/Sclavis track. > > > > > > Michael, could you please try to explain what you love in > > Sclavis' > > >work ? > > > > > > > I don't know anything at all about Sclavis except this track. > > This would be Louis Sclavis. He has several hard to find CDs on > European labels, and two ECM releases. On the first, Rouge, you can > imagine yourself in a smoke filled Moroccan cafe. Rather slow moving. > > The second, Acoustic Quartet, features the excellent guitarist Marc > Ducret (lately heard on Bobby Previte's new Latin for Travelers and a > Euro-member of Tim Berne's Bloodcount). IMHO he's rather wasted in > this > setting. Again rather moody stuff here, and remember it's ECM. > Sclavis > has a partner of sorts on these recordings, Dominique Pifarley, a fine > > violinist. These recordings are all rather impressionistic rather > than > rythmic. He has also recorded with Cecil Taylor. > > Alan Kayser - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:40:46 -0500 (EST) From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) Subject: Wynton does Ornette Actually the rendition of Lonely woman on Mo' better Blues was Branford Marsalis and Terence Blanchard. Not an awe-inspiring arrangement, but I enjoyed it for some reason (so maybe I will be shot?!!!) Who knows? maybe Wynton's a closet Bible Launcher fan like my grandma!!!!! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:45:17 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Bacharach/Minton Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Anish Kejariwal wrote: > > > Also, while I'm at > > it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD? > > I don't have a specific CD to recommend here (I've just started checking > his stuff out myself after being converted to his tunes by the Tzadik > tribute), but Dionne Warwick seems to be the definitive traditional > interpreter of Bacharach, and Bacharach produced and arranged much of her > early work. So I'd look around for Dionne Warwick compilations containing > a lot of Bacharach tunes. (For what it's worth, Evan Parker and Robert > Wyatt are apparently both big Warwick fans.) > > Chris Hamilton Erik Friedlander is also a big Warwick fan. For Bacharach, go pick up his Greatest Hits album!! also, Isaac Hayes did a CLASSIC version of Bacharach's "Walk On By" which is on that album of his with the really long name ('Hyperbolic...'??) and is on the Dead Presidents soundtrack which is really good. On another note, I ordered Phil Minton's solo voice LP 'A Doughnut In Both Hands' (Rift) from Wayside but they told me that they were out. Anyone know where I can find a copy of it? Thanks. -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:41:57 -0700 From: john shiurba Subject: Re: Bacharach/Minton > Also, while I'm at > it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD? there's a Dionne Warwick compilation on Rhino called "Anthology 62-71" that's nearly all Bacharach. It's a double LP (nor sure if it's on CD, but there must be something similar) and it's about as much Bacharach as I'll ever need. These tunes were written for Warwick, btw, so it's not a "covers" album. - -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:21:44 -0500 From: fate@telepath.com (Jon Mooneyham) Subject: Re: Bacharach/Minton >Christopher Hamilton wrote: >> >> On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Anish Kejariwal wrote: >> >> > Also, while I'm at >> > it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD? >> >> I don't have a specific CD to recommend here (I've just started checking >> his stuff out myself after being converted to his tunes by the Tzadik >> tribute), but Dionne Warwick seems to be the definitive traditional >> interpreter of Bacharach, and Bacharach produced and arranged much of her >> early work. So I'd look around for Dionne Warwick compilations containing >> a lot of Bacharach tunes. (For what it's worth, Evan Parker and Robert >> Wyatt are apparently both big Warwick fans.) >> >> Chris Hamilton > >Erik Friedlander is also a big Warwick fan. For Bacharach, go pick up >his Greatest Hits album!! also, Isaac Hayes did a CLASSIC version of >Bacharach's "Walk On By" which is on that album of his with the really >long name ('Hyperbolic...'??) and is on the Dead Presidents soundtrack >which is really good. Uh, "Hot Buttered Soul" isn't that long... Jon M. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:35:41 -0500 (EST) From: Knutboy@aol.com Subject: Re: Serge Gainsbourg Serge Gainsbourg's "MELODY NELSON" is perfect! Also, Polygram has three compilations of which "Comic Strip" is a safe place to start. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:07:35 -0500 From: Valkwitch Subject: Re: The big deal with slick, overproduced _Naked City_ ia zha nah er vesen wrote: > > > > This brings to mind a quote i heard attributed to Thurston Moore to the > > > effect that 'yeah, torture garden is cool, but it's a bit accademic'. > > > > > > 'Whoa...', thought i, 'of all the words to attatch to TG, accademic is not > > > one that springs to mind.' But i can see what he meant, and it's an > > > interesting point. > > > > I guess you assume that he was serious when he said that... and not just > > trying to act like the coolest dude on earth who has seen it all (attitude > > that he seems to enjoy a lot (not sure if it is conscious or not)). > > > > Patrice. > > er, yeah, i did.... Oops? I don't know Mr. Moore at all at all. It > seemed to fit that a guy from Sonic Youth would feel the together-ness of > NC a little too practiced...but maybe he's just trying to do the jaded > rock start thing. > > -jascha > > - thurston a rock star??? or acting as one??? i really don't think so...i don't really know what moore means by "academic" it could be a number of things, i don't think he it was negative criticism on his part...although you its hard to figure out if he's serious or not on alot of stuff he talks about... - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:17:54 +0100 (MET) From: Jacques Oger Subject: JZ Intvw in Resonance There is a good interview of John Zorn (by Howard Mandel) in the last issue of Resonance (edited by LMC in London). Information for 'subscription' at : resonance@lmcltd.demon.co.uk Jacques Oger oger@worldnet.fr - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:45:43 +0100 From: Friedrich Feger Subject: Masada String Trio tour dates? I'm afraid that I'm too late, but do they play in Germany? If yes, when and where? Thanks, Fritz. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 22:50:18 +1000 From: Alister Shew Subject: Re: Soundtracks by Christian Marclay On 20 Nov 1997, James Douglas Knox wrote: >Missed the first one (No - stop kicking me - I am self-administering >beatings at this point) but caught the last two of three films by >Abigail Child last night. They were > Perils, 1986, 4min > Mayhem, 1987, 16min > Mercy, 1989, 10 min >... >And accompanying the images - "music" by Christian Marclay (plus a few >others). Dunno 'bout Perils, which I missed (but its listed in the back of >the 1990 Musique Actuelles catalogue with a Chris Marclay s/t), but Mayhem >used a quartet of Marclay, Charles K Noyes, Zeena Parkins and Shelley >Hirsch. The only credit on Mercy was for Hirsch's voice, tho' the music >was v much in the vein of Marclay (like; I'm definite it was him, only >inexplicably not credited). Some records he used, that I recognised: Les >Baxter's "Tamboo", Yma Sumac, and the BBC's wonderful "Off Beat Sound >Effects" LP. I did catch Perils that night, and can confirm that Marclay was credited, along with Noyes on percussion (I'm pretty sure... twas a few days ago). Also, agreed on Marclay's non-credit for Mercy, it was SURELY him! Really extraordinary films though... anyone know what she's been up to since then?? Al - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:43:39 +0100 (MET) From: Geert Buelens Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, G=E9rard Rouy wrote: > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of= =20 > playing with Derek Bailey.=20 Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month, with Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy... geert - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:43:39 +0100 (MET) From: Geert Buelens Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, G=E9rard Rouy wrote: > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of= =20 > playing with Derek Bailey.=20 Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month, with Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy... geert - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:10:59 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Geert Buelens wrote: > On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, G=E9rard Rouy wrote: >=20 > > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of= =20 > > playing with Derek Bailey.=20 > Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month, with > Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy... Besides, would you call the people who play with Bailey in the Company=20 events or the Knit events all not-jazz? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:10:59 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Geert Buelens wrote: > On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, G=E9rard Rouy wrote: >=20 > > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of= =20 > > playing with Derek Bailey.=20 > Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month, with > Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy... Besides, would you call the people who play with Bailey in the Company=20 events or the Knit events all not-jazz? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:33:24 UT From: peter_risser@cinfin.com Subject: 300 Statues In the Parachute Box set there is a picture of three people playing a piece called 300 statues, but the people are unlisted. One is obviously Zorn and I'm assuming the guitar player in the middle is Chadborne. There is also a violinist with a Morley wah pedal and I need to know who she is. Her haircut looks like she might be Polly Bradfield, who appears on Lacrosse, as there is a picture of the Lacrosse team and the haircut is the same. Plus, she plays violin. Does anyone know for sure? Thanks, Peter - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:41:24 -0800 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Alive and Well in Ventura Awhile back we were discussing attendance at performances, and I said I'd report back after the first in the series of New Music concerts here in Ventura, California. For this performance of Jeff Kaiser's Double-Quartet featuring Vinny Golia, we had standing room only in the Atrium of Ventura's City Hall. There were 150 in attendance, ranging from grade school children to elderly people with walkers. And after an hour and a half of not your ordinary evening of music, they gave a standing ovation. We are pleased. May this interest continue to build here so that eventually I'll get to meet many of you at the annual Ventura New Music Festival. I'll keep you posted. s~Z - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:54:32 -0500 From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc Geert Buelens wrote: > On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, G=E9rard Rouy wrote: > > > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk > of > > playing with Derek Bailey. > Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month, > with > Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy... > > geert Yes, and how about Tony Williams, Cecil Taylor, John Stevens, Tony Oxley? Alan > > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:09:26 -0600 From: JRZ Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc >> > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk >> of >> > playing with Derek Bailey. >Yes, and how about Tony Williams, Cecil Taylor, John Stevens, Tony >Oxley? Any recordings exist of Bailey with Tony Williams? I'm pretty new to Bailey and could use the insight. Right now I only have Harras and Guitar Drum'n Bass. Lookin for more. zube my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm Nyquist was wrong. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:35:36 -0500 (EST) From: Brent Burton Subject: Partched would anyone care to review any of the 4 new cri partch cds? b - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:20:02 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc >>>>> "zube" == JRZ writes: zube> Any recordings exist of Bailey with Tony Williams? I'm zube> pretty new to Bailey and could use the insight. Right now I zube> only have Harras and Guitar Drum'n Bass. Lookin for more. The first Arcana album, Last Wave, on DIW, has Bailey, Williams, and Laswell. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions do not reflect on management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. 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