From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #78 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Sender: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Tuesday, April 22 1997 Volume 02 : Number 078 In this issue: Re: Koch's Tzadik webpage Zony Mash Re: "darling of academia" Re: Redbird Zorn's childhood Re: Filmworks IV Re: Zorn's childhood Re: Intellectual property is theft! II Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe Re: Zorn's childhood Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe cool site. Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe Re: Redbird ?: Burt Bacharach double CD Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe jonas hellborg Re: jonas hellborg Bun Ching Lam _Like Water_ Re: jonas hellborg Re: Filmworks IV Re: Wayne Horvitz answers Re: jonas hellborg Re: jonas hellborg Re: jonas hellborg Live Painkiller - Italy More Laswell Live Shows Re: Wayne Horvitz answers Re: ?: Burt Bacharach double CD Re: Wayne Horvitz answers Re: john schott berne [UK radio] Re: Filmworks IV amm Re: amm FS: Duck Baker plays the music of Herbie Nichols Re: amm Lam's _Like Water_ (& John Schott note) Re: Filmworks IV See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:18:10 +1000 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Koch's Tzadik webpage Howdy! On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Andy Marks wrote: > > From: peter tush > > To: zorn-list@xmission.com > > Subject: Koch's Tzadik webpage > > Date: Friday, April 18, 1997 6:06 AM > > > > Does anyone know if Filmworks 4 is due to be released in the next > batch on April 22? I recall that someone posted a review of it here > a little while ago but I haven't seen it yet. > Oh, unnh: Filmworks 3 and 4 both came out the second week of March: leastways in this part of the world. And they're both pretty excellent (great to hear Zorn getting back to music concrete!) Cheers, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:54:12 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Zony Mash Did you all know that the new Wayne Horvitz & Zony Mash-Cold Spell features one song written by John Zorn? It's a pretty cool tune so all of you super Zorn completists have to go out and get it right now! -Tom Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:31:16 +0200 (MESZ) From: BJOERN Subject: Re: "darling of academia" yeah, funny thing i read a review of Bar Kokhba some weeks ago in our local newspaper!!! BJOERN On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, James Douglas Knox wrote: > Hi, > > You'd better believe it! Bar Kokhba got 5 stars in a review in the Sydney > Morning Herald ("a classic"); yesterday's Weekend Australian also gave it > a favourable notice. Can't never remember Zorn getting the least > acknowledgement by this nation's regular (or much of the so-called > 'alternative') press any time in the past. > > Maybe this is the global paradigm shift we've all been waiting for > (well, maybe not...) > > Cheers, > > Jim > > On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Josh Miller wrote: > > > i saw the kronos quartet tonight...it was great but kind of > > disapointing. 9 scheduled pieces, 3 encores, and they still didn't do > > any of the zorn pieces. oh well. they did do cage, harry patch, and ken > > valitsky, among others. > > one interesting thing: john zorn was mentioned in the program as a > > "modern master." the concert was at my university; does this mean zorn > > may yet become a "darling of academia"...? > > > > josh > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 08:28:35 -0400 From: peter tush Subject: Re: Redbird Tom Pratt wrote: > > Could anyone here tell me what Redbird is like? I've heard that it is > acoustic but that's about all. I might be interested in this one so... > any thoughts? > > -Tom Pratt "Redbird" is a very quiet cd. The instrumentation has a lot to do with it: harp, cello, viola and percussion. There is an 8 minute piece for solo bass drums that is VERY quiet and meditative, and a 41 minute composition for the ensemble that moves very slowly. Several people have compared it with Morton Feldman and that's not too far off the mark. It almost sounds Asian. If you are not sure about it, check out the same ensemble's track on the new "Filmworks v.IV." The cd features five cuts by different ensembles including a Ribot/Quine dessert surf tune and a Keith Jarret-like piano piece (!), but it also contains the "Redbird" ensemble doing a similar 17 minute work. Personally I like this cut even better, it has more dynamics, and is really an exquisite composition. But it led me to finally purchase "Redbird" so I am happy. Peter Tush ptush@arts.usf.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:16:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Lambert Subject: Zorn's childhood Hey folks. Can anyone tell me something about the early years recording? Is it recent recordings of material he wrote while very young? How would yo describe the music itself? Thanks. Marc, Ann Arbor, MI. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 18:14:31 +0000 From: Dwight Haden Subject: Re: Filmworks IV >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:48:21 -0400 >From: "Andy Marks" >Subject: Re: Koch's Tzadik webpage > >Does anyone know if Filmworks 4 is due to be released in the next >batch on April 22? I recall that someone posted a review of it here >a little while ago but I haven't seen it yet. If you "back out" to the Koch Home Page from the Tzadik page, and select "New Releases", you'll find all of the new Koch titles for April. Included are Filmworks IV, New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands, as well as a few new and recent Avant titles. What you won't see is descriptive information about each release, like was found on the Tzadik page. You also won't see the planned releases for May listed yet. April's didn't get put out there till last week. I recently emailed Koch, asking when they would update their web pages, and if they would start carrying DIW releases. What follows is the response I got: >thanks for the note. >postings are coming. Obviously, whoever's minding their web presence these days could give a rat's ass. And, just to clear up some confusion, Tzadik released a bunch of stuff in March that was not released here in the USA. Filmworks IV was amoung several releases pushed back to April in the USA only. My guess is that Koch is too busy or too poor to keep up with Tzadik's release schedule. Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:27:34 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Zorn's childhood Marc Lambert wrote: > > Hey folks. Can anyone tell me something about the early years recording? > Is it recent recordings of material he wrote while very young? How > would yo describe the music itself? Thanks. Marc, Ann Arbor, MI. It's a really fucking wierd ass album. A friedn of mine bought it a year ago and I listened to it a little while. you can hear TV's and vacuum cleaners in the back and it's just him making some noise. I would not recommend it but hey, you might like it. -Tom Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:59:13 -0400 (EDT) From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Intellectual property is theft! II In a message dated 97-04-19 23:44:12 EDT, prelapse@pop3.tiac.net (Mason Wendell) writes: > Prelapse plays from Zorn's original charts. Our CD for him has long > been in the works for Tzadik. We hope to finish it this summer. ;-) > Which titles are they? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:45:01 -0400 From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: > > I was going to mention this too, and I will definitely be there. I guess the > secret will be out that Shawn Lane is really Buckethead. This will be guitar > torture of the utmost intensity. I don't mean to be dense, but... This can't possibly be true. Can it? - -Sean ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:45:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Zorn's childhood On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Marc Lambert wrote: > Hey folks. Can anyone tell me something about the early years recording? > Is it recent recordings of material he wrote while very young? How > would yo describe the music itself? Thanks. Marc, Ann Arbor, MI. It's old recordings of music he wrote while in college. The music is very rough-sounding, and consists largely of multilayered overdubs of found sounds, electronic noise, and amateurishly played reeds, guitar, and percussion. Zorn is the only performer. It's definitely juvenilia. As such, it's pretty interesting for people like me interested in Zorn's early development, but it's not terribly good other than as foreshadowing of things to come. My guess is diehard Zorn fanatics won't feel ripped off by it, but more casual fans probably won't get much out of it. Chris Hamilton Currently listening to _Dart Drug_, Derek Bailey's duet album with percussionist Jamie Muir, who really needs to record more ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:58:59 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe At 05:45 PM 4/20/97 -0400, Sean Terwilliger wrote: >IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: >> >> I was going to mention this too, and I will definitely be there. I guess the >> secret will be out that Shawn Lane is really Buckethead. This will be guitar >> torture of the utmost intensity. > >I don't mean to be dense, but... This can't possibly be true. Can it? > This misconception results from the fact that all guitarist look alike when they wear a chicken bucket on their head. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:39:28 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: cool site. Any tape collectors out ther should go to http://tapetracker.com/traderindex/ and submit their trader information. It's a great place that just keeps growing and growing and growing and... -Tom Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:04:05 -0400 (EDT) From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe I also forgot to mention, that anyone going to this show, bring a camcorder, dat recorder, or an etch a sketch to document this event. This will be something you may want your grandkids to hear. The band allows it! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:00:28 -0800 From: herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy) Subject: Re: Redbird >Could anyone here tell me what Redbird is like? I've heard that it is >acoustic but that's about all. I might be interested in this one so... >any thoughts? > There are 2 works on the CD. The first piece is for several bass drums, played by Jim Pugliese. It's incredibly quiet & slow, low almost pitchless drum vibrations swell out of whatever ambient sounds you're listening within. I won't have a good sense of the form until I get new neighbors, though now that my work schedule's back to normal I may be able to fit it in when no one's around. Redbird is gorgeous. Slow nearly static chords, shifting figure ground relationships between the instruments (harp, viola, cello, mallet percussion), very much related to the minimalism of Morton Feldman's late works. It doesn't sound like very many other recorded pieces by Zorn, except for a shorter piece for the same instrumentation on one of the Filmworks collections (#4 I think). Zorn doesn't play on the disc, if that matters to you. Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:02:08 +0200 From: Friedrich Feger Subject: ?: Burt Bacharach double CD In his mail "Re: Koch's Tzadik webpage" at Sat, 19 Apr 1997 02:40:29, Steve Smith wrote: >here's my last shot: a tracklisting for the Burt Bacharach double CD (which >in my humble opinion is amazing): [...] My first question: what's the name of this CD? My second question: are there any more reviews about it? Fritz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:11:11 -0500 From: "Glenn Astarita" Subject: Re: Buckethead vs Hellborg, Lane & Sipe - ---------- > > IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: > > > > I was going to mention this too, and I will definitely be there. I guess the > > secret will be out that Shawn Lane is really Buckethead. This will be guitar > > torture of the utmost intensity. > > I don't mean to be dense, but... This can't possibly be true. Can it? > > -Sean It's not true.... glenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 9:54:52 EDT From: "M.Ho" Subject: jonas hellborg Does anyone know anything about bassist Jonas Hellborg? He's scheduled to play in Charlottesville, VA and heard he's great but can anyone tell me what he's been on or have done? Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 07:25:28 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: jonas hellborg At 09:54 AM 4/21/97 EDT, M.Ho wrote: >Does anyone know anything about bassist Jonas Hellborg? He's >scheduled to play in Charlottesville, VA and heard he's great but can >anyone tell me what he's been on or have done? He plays in two basic types of things and you should try and find out what he is doing. He often plays solo bass, sometimes with an electric bass but more often an acoustic bass guitar, an unusual instrument with a beautiful tone. How much you would like this could depend on how long you find a solo instrument interesting. He also plays electric bass with other musicians, but what he plays depends on who is with him. He has done quite a bit of funk, some African stuff, some more jazzy stuff, some electronic stuff. He must have a dozen recordings out under his own name, many on his Day Eight label. He works a lot with Bill Laswell (trivia note - Bill Laswell bought his studio from Hellborg), Ginger Baker and two guys named Johansson. My own favorites are his _Octave of the Holy Innocents_ with Buckethead and Michael Shrieve and the recording he did with Glen Velez. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:48:36 -0400 From: "Andy Marks" Subject: Bun Ching Lam _Like Water_ Anybody got this? I saw it the other day and it looked interesting. What's it like? - ------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Marks Software Engineer MTS-PowerTek, Inc. - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:14:34 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: jonas hellborg > He plays in two basic types of things and you should try and find out what > he is doing. He often plays solo bass, sometimes with an electric bass but > more often an acoustic bass guitar, an unusual instrument with a beautiful > tone. How much you would like this could depend on how long you find a > solo instrument interesting. He also plays electric bass with other > musicians, but what he plays depends on who is with him. He has done quite > a bit of funk, some African stuff, some more jazzy stuff, some electronic > stuff. He's also done some Arabian things. He has analbum called 'The Word' with Tony Williams and the Soldier String Quartet. It's not all that Arabian but I guess it's supposed to be. It just sounds cool. They do a neat version of Hendrix's "Cherokee" I think it's called. He plays acoustic bass guitar. I also have a live show of acoustic duets of Hellborg and John Maclaughlin. He's played in Mclaughlin's trio with Trilok Gurtu I think and was a member of Mahavishnu Orchestra I'm pretty sure. (please correct me if I'm wrong) He's from Sweden aqnd he's really fast and he's one of the best bassists I've ever heard. Hey Jeff! What did he do with Glen Velez. I love that guy. He added some neat stuff to Ned Rothenberg's "Power Lines" with Dave Douglas, Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander and others. check it out. -Tom Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:29:00 -0400 From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: Filmworks IV Dwight Haden wrote: >I recently emailed Koch, asking when they would update their web >pages, and if they would start carrying DIW releases. What follows >is the response I got: > >>thanks for the note. >>postings are coming. > >Obviously, whoever's minding their web presence these days could give >a rat's ass. Nope, it's not the person who minds their web presence (who, like I was, is responsible for the publicity of the corporation and all of its classical labels, not to mention radio promotion of same) who doesn't give a rat's ass, but rather the company that employs him. >And, just to clear up some confusion, Tzadik released a bunch of stuff >in March that was not released here in the USA. Filmworks IV was >amoung several releases pushed back to April in the USA only. My guess >is that Koch is too busy or too poor to keep up with Tzadik's release >schedule. Neither... Koch just has very strict release schedules which have to do with very strict major record stores and their data entry pecadilloes, not to mention publication of the Koch release book. Basically there has to be a deadline and Tzadik just didn't make that one. It didn't bother anyone at Tzadik particularly (correct me if I'm wrong, D.), and most of us in the U.S. are used to having Europeans get discs before us anyway, aren't we? :-) Steve Smith ssmith@kochint... um, knittingfactory.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:28:58 -0400 From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: Wayne Horvitz answers Patrice - >> 3. There's a new Pigpen album coming out on Tim/Kerr. There's also another >> project coming out on Intuition called Four Plus One Ensemble (the name may >> change) that's a full band (with second keyboardist and an on-stage sound >> processor) that apparently works in an avant-ish chamber style. > >Also coming out on T/K, a second Boodlers (E#, Fred Chalenor, Henry Franzoni >and Joe Trump). But isn't Tim/Kerr dead? I mean, that's usually what's implied when your company is taken over by a major (Mercury) and you fire your entire staff, isn't it? (Speaking as someone who had a friend among those who were unceremoniously dumped...) Patrice, you're the homeboy... get Thor on the phone and get to the heart of this for us. Steve ssmith@knittingfactory.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:10:50 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: jonas hellborg At 12:14 PM 4/21/97 -0400, Tom Pratt wrote: > >He's also done some Arabian things. My favorite track on _Octave_ is an Arabic thing. >He has analbum called 'The Word' >with Tony Williams and the Soldier String Quartet. It's not all that >Arabian but I guess it's supposed to be. It just sounds cool. They do a >neat version of Hendrix's "Cherokee" I think it's called. He plays >acoustic bass guitar. I also have a live show of acoustic duets of While I like Hellborg's playing on _The Word_, I think the project didn't quite come together as well as a lot of other Hellborg recordings. For whatever reasons, it sounds like Hellborg, the Quartet, and Williams are each playing their own thing. >Hellborg and John Maclaughlin. He's played in Mclaughlin's trio with >Trilok Gurtu I think and was a member of Mahavishnu Orchestra I'm pretty >sure. (please correct me if I'm wrong) He's from Sweden aqnd he's really >fast and he's one of the best bassists I've ever heard. Well his resume shows that he played with Mahavishnu but I haven't seen him on any of their recordings. He plays on a number of Laswell things also, such as Ginger Baker's _Middle Passages_, Deadline's _Dissident_, and probably some others I can't remember. > >Hey Jeff! What did he do with Glen Velez. I love that guy. He added >some neat stuff to Ned Rothenberg's "Power Lines" with Dave Douglas, >Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander and others. check it out. The CD is on Day Eight, and I can't remember the name but it is in Spanish, I believe. There is some weird electronics on it, it is occasionally almost in the "ambient" category. Option gave it a lousy review so you know it is good. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:21:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Glenn Astarita Subject: Re: jonas hellborg I posted my reply to Jeff was meant to reply to the list: At 12:14 PM 4/21/97 -0400, Tom Pratt wrote: > >He's also done some Arabian things. My favorite track on _Octave_ is an Arabic thing. >Hellborg and John Maclaughlin. He's played in Mclaughlin's trio with >Trilok Gurtu I think and was a member of Mahavishnu Orchestra I'm pretty >sure. (please correct me if I'm wrong) He's from Sweden aqnd he's really >fast and he's one of the best bassists I've ever heard. Well his resume shows that he played with Mahavishnu but I haven't seen him on any of their recordings. Adventures in Radio Land, another titled "Mahavishnu" and 1 one other, but the title escapes me... > >Hey Jeff! What did he do with Glen Velez. I love that guy. He added >some neat stuff to Ned Rothenberg's "Power Lines" with Dave Douglas, >Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander and others. check it out. The CD is on Day Eight, and I can't remember the name but it is in Spanish, I believe. There is some weird electronics on it, it is occasionally almost in the "ambient" category. Option gave it a lousy review so you know it is good. Indeed a fine cd. Velez plays the frame drum and assorted "acoustic" percussion while Hellborg mans the acoustic bass. no weird electonics. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:37:34 -0400 From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Re: jonas hellborg Jeff Spirer wrote: > > While I like Hellborg's playing on _The Word_, I think the project didn't > quite come together as well as a lot of other Hellborg recordings. For > whatever reasons, it sounds like Hellborg, the Quartet, and Williams are > each playing their own thing. > It's probably both my least favorite Axiom release as well as my least favorite Jonas record. > > Well his resume shows that he played with Mahavishnu but I haven't seen him > on any of their recordings. He plays on the 2 80's Mahavishnu records. One on WB - Mahavishnu and one on Relitivity - Adventures in Radioland (on CD by verve) That was my first experience with Jonas. Seeing him live, throwing his bass accross the stage... > > > >Hey Jeff! What did he do with Glen Velez. I love that guy. He added > > The CD is on Day Eight, and I can't remember the name but it is in Spanish, Ars Moriende. It's just fantasitc. For Material heads, try to find Axis - It's got Anton, Bernie, Nicky and more. It's an excellent album. - -Sean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:05:42 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Live Painkiller - Italy Painkiller will be playing in Verona Italy on June 21. It will be at the International Jazz Festival Verona. NYC dates for Painkiller were cancelled. Buy your airline tix now, you will get a better price. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:05:28 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: More Laswell Live Shows June 7, Frankfurt Transmutation Live at the International German Jazz Festival. Derek Bailey on guitar, Bill Laswell, Invisible Scratch Pickles, DJ Disk. This will be broadcast on German TV. June 13, Brooklyn (NY) Anchorage. Praxis. Buckethead, Bill Laswell, DJ Soul Slinger, DJ Disk. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:41:55 -0700 (PDT) From: a rancid amoeba Subject: Re: Wayne Horvitz answers > > But isn't Tim/Kerr dead? I mean, that's usually what's implied when your > company is taken over by a major (Mercury) and you fire your entire staff, > isn't it? (Speaking as someone who had a friend among those who were > unceremoniously dumped...) Patrice, you're the homeboy... get Thor on the > phone and get to the heart of this for us. > Mercury broke the deal shortly after making it (like 6 or 9 months later). Tim/Kerr is free again but they did lose a few bands in the process. Although I cant't find one iota of hard proof to back my theory up, I think Mercury made the deal with Tim/Kerr with the intentions of breaking it soon after. chanel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:05:34 -0400 From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: ?: Burt Bacharach double CD >My first question: what's the name of this CD? Various Artists: "Great Jewish Music - Burt Bacharach" (It's my understanding that the whole series will be like this... the next one will be "Great Jewish Music - Serge Gainsbourg") And since someone else asked, the catalog number is TZA 7114-2 It's part of the Radical Jewish Culture series, of course. SS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:39:04 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Wayne Horvitz answers On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:28:58 -0400 Steve Smith wrote: > > Patrice - > > >> 3. There's a new Pigpen album coming out on Tim/Kerr. There's also another > >> project coming out on Intuition called Four Plus One Ensemble (the name may > >> change) that's a full band (with second keyboardist and an on-stage sound > >> processor) that apparently works in an avant-ish chamber style. > > > >Also coming out on T/K, a second Boodlers (E#, Fred Chalenor, Henry Franzoni > >and Joe Trump). > > But isn't Tim/Kerr dead? I mean, that's usually what's implied when your ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You could reasonably believe that, but it does not seem to be the case (at least it has not been officially announced). > company is taken over by a major (Mercury) and you fire your entire staff, > isn't it? (Speaking as someone who had a friend among those who were > unceremoniously dumped...) Patrice, you're the homeboy... get Thor on the > phone and get to the heart of this for us. T/K got bought by Mercury and got dumped six months after. Officially, the company is still running. Getting Thor on the phone? There are people who would have more needs than me to succeed at doing that :-). Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:31:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: john schott >Has anyone picked up up the Schott album on Tzadik? With Ribot, Dunn, >and Wolleson among others, it sounds like it would be quite good. Any >thoughts/impressions of the album? Like someone mentioned before, no Ribot on this disc, just Schott, Dunn, Wollesen, and NY Metropolitan Opera tenor John Horton Murray. Regardless, I find it masterful. Schott, Dunn, and Wollesen provide instrumental accompanyment while Murray sings and intones texts in German, Yiddish, and Hebrew. Those tracks are separated by improvisations from the trio. The music is very intimate and beautiful, more like 20th century classical than anything else to my ears. Hard to believe this is the same John Schott who sings 'The Humpty Dance' in concert with TJ Kirk. Yes. Quite baffling. Another recommendation for a new record worth checking out (with the same rhythm section, no less): 'Light At The Crossroads', a collection of music for bass and Bb clarinets by Marty Ehrlich and Ben Goldberg (w/ Dunn & Wollesen of course). All originals by the two leaders (except one tune by Wayne Horvitz), quite a captivating listen. All for now... - -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:12:07 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: berne [UK radio] There's an interview with Tim Berne on radio 3's "impressions" programme, Sat. 26th. April. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:20:24 +0000 From: Dwight Haden Subject: Re: Filmworks IV At 04:29 PM 4/21/97, Steve Smith wrote: >Dwight Haden wrote: > >>I recently emailed Koch, asking when they would update their web >>pages, and if they would start carrying DIW releases. What follows >>is the response I got: >> >>>thanks for the note. >>>postings are coming. >> >>Obviously, whoever's minding their web presence these days could give >>a rat's ass. > >Nope, it's not the person who minds their web presence (who, like I was, is >responsible for the publicity of the corporation and all of its classical >labels, not to mention radio promotion of same) who doesn't give a rat's >ass, but rather the company that employs him. So, let me get this straight - Koch somehow forced their web minding employee to provide me with a useless, non-answer to my simple question, and it's not his fault. Instead of taking an extra 15 seconds to type "yes, we will be carrying DIW" or "No, we won't", the poor overworked employee could only spare time for the above. This is defensible? Why bother to have an business email account if you only are able to respond with glib, worthless, non-informative answers? It doesn't reflect well on your business. And, while we're on the subject of 'not reflecting well', won't you please wish Mark Perlson at the Knit a hardy "thanks for nothing" from me. He posted to the Zorn Digest in December, offering to mailorder Masada 7. I responded with name/addr and credit info, as requested, but never heard back. A follow-up email was also ignored. Even a "sorry, I changed my mind" response would have been appreciated. >>And, just to clear up some confusion, Tzadik released a bunch of stuff >>in March that was not released here in the USA. Filmworks IV was >>amoung several releases pushed back to April in the USA only. My guess >>is that Koch is too busy or too poor to keep up with Tzadik's release >>schedule. > >Neither... Koch just has very strict release schedules which have to do >with very strict major record stores and their data entry pecadilloes, not >to mention publication of the Koch release book. Basically there has to be >a deadline and Tzadik just didn't make that one. It didn't bother anyone >at Tzadik particularly (correct me if I'm wrong, D.), and most of us in the >U.S. are used to having Europeans get discs before us anyway, aren't we? So, Europe and Australia can get Tzadik releases on time because they don't suffer from Koch's deadline limitations? I thought Tzadik was a DOMESTIC (i.e. USA) label, so why should it's new releases go everywhere else first? Well, I have answered my own question (posted previously) about where to get DIW releases, and thankfully, it doesn't involve Koch: I received Masada 7 and David S. Ware's Godspelized today from Birdland, in Australia. Their website is http://www.magna.com.au/~birdland/index.html Cost was a little pricey, about $28.50 per disc, which includes shipping and Aussie-to-US transaction fees. Well worth it, in my opinion. The discs arrived in 6 days, in perfect condition. Birdland carries what appears to be the complete DIW, Avant, and Tzadik catalogs, in addition to many other fine jazz labels. Check them out! For a less comprehensive selection, and slightly better price, you could look at Cheap Thrills, in Montreal. Their website is http://www.cam.org/~thrills/#catalogs I've got the reissue of Masada 4 on order from them, can't vouch for delivery speed or packaging yet. And the cheapest place to get Avant/DIW/Tzadik discs mailorder in the US is Forced Exposure, in Boston: http://www.forcedexposure.com Unfortunately, their DIW selection and most of their Avant titles are limited to what's leftover from the good ol' Sphere Marketing days - They just recently ran out of Masada and Naked City titles. But, FE does have the new (and limited) Koch distributed Avant titles, at an increased price. And they've got plenty of other interesting CD's. I hope this information proves useful to some of you... Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:20:14 BST From: N Vassiliou Subject: amm hallo could anybody make any recomendations concerning AMM? There seem to be quite a lot of releases by them around. Thanks Nick V ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:58:02 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: amm >hallo >could anybody make any recomendations concerning AMM? There seem to be >quite a lot of releases by >them around. >Thanks >Nick V Isn't it a great world when there's too many AMM discs to coose from? Seriously, I'd recommend any/all of them except for 2: The disc of duos between Lou Gare and Eddie Prevost, which is not bad, but is much more conventionally "jazz" than other AMM, and "It had been an ordinary enough day in Pueblo, Colorado", on ECM/JAPO, on which Keith Rowe tries to imitate a rock guitarist. Many people prefer their earlier recordings, I personally like the more recent Tilbury/Rowe/Prevost trio, but all are pretty essential. Also worth checking out is Keith Rowe's solo disc, "A Dimension of Perfectly Ordinary Reality". ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:52:09 -0400 From: "R. Edward Stuart" Subject: FS: Duck Baker plays the music of Herbie Nichols For Sale: Duck Baker plays the music of Herbie Nichols on the Avant label. Will accept best offer. Thanx, Ed Stuart stuart@telerama.lm.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:15:34 -0400 (EDT) From: matthew.colonnese@yale.edu (Matt Colonnese) Subject: Re: amm >hallo >could anybody make any recomendations concerning AMM? There seem to be >quite a lot of releases by >them around. >Thanks >Nick V It is difficult to narrow down the AMM choices than by more than half. The releases are very temporally spread out, and they have substantially different styles. Roughly AMM begin in 1966 with a droney, chaotic, noisey (with wonderfull quiet sections too) sound consisting of percussion, sax, treated guitar, cello/violin, and transistor radio. It becomes difficult to tell what is what. All of AMM's music is unrelentingly abstract, but unlike most "noise" artists, defined by some inner logic that becomes apparent. Buy _AMMusic_ (recently rereleased with extra stuff, and the cheapest AMM disk you'll find) for this era. There's also _The Crypt_, but it's much more expensive. AMM then have a number of duo disks which are good, but unrepresentative. Then, after loosing Lou Gare (sax), and gaining John Tilbury (piano) they begin parsing down the sound throughout the 80's and 90's. The radio begins disapearing (yeah!), and more focus is placed on individual textures, silence, and chance occurances. They claim to be pursuing this on the in the 60s, but it is more apparent in the 80's and 90's. I don't know a good 80's disk to recomend, but from the 90's_ Nameless Uncarved Block_ and _NewFoundland_ are both great. If you are pretty sure you'll like AMM (have heard them before) there is a recent 3cd set call _laminates_ with performances from 1968, 1983 (?? I think, I don't have it heare) and 1994. A good introduction, but not cheap. I personally love the later period AMM, which seems to me more carefully thought out, more beautiful and sparce, as well as lacking in much of the pop art schtick exemplified by the radio bits (which just distract me form the great sound being produced). Newfoundland, NUB, and the 1994 piece in Laminate are my favorites, but I haven't heard much of the 80's material. The classic introduction is problably AMMusic though. Much denser, and musical (if noisy drones are music) because more instruments are playing at once. All of it is great stuff though. If y'all like AMM check out Skullflower's VHF records "Carved into Roses" and "this is Skullflower" to hear what a art-rock appropriation of AMMusic sounds like. happy hunting ps, Jim O'Rourke write embarrasingly bad liner notes for Laminates and recorded for Tzadik...see Zorn content. - ------ "Finally, something that would bring people together...even if it kept them apart, spatially." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:43:49 -0800 From: herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy) Subject: Lam's _Like Water_ (& John Schott note) >Anybody got this? I saw it the other day >and it looked interesting. What's it like? I didn't immediately like it as much as Lam's Mountain Clear Water Remote which came out on CRI late in '96, but I know most of those pieces better, so that's not a slam on Like Water. I've only heard Like Water a couple, three times but each time I listen to it, I like it more. It's a nice work, pretty, with some subtle timbral colors, played very well by the Abel/Steinberg/Winant Trio. & for those who may care, Lam was John Schott's composition teacher when he studied at Cornish College in Seattle. Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:43:28 -0800 From: herb@eskimo.com (Herb Levy) Subject: Re: Filmworks IV Uh, it's easy for all of us early adopters to keep it in mind, but there still aren't many folks with online access (most estimates for the US claim about 20%, with growth to a little less than 30% by the end of the century, & in most other countries computer access is far less common). One of the correlaries of this condition is that most businesses who make their money from the non-virtual world, don't place a high priority on keeping their Web sites current, etc. We can talk about how they're shooting themselves in the foot, nearly extinct lemmings sure to die the instant we can get the info from some other source that's hip to the electronic sub-world we meet within, but they're just allocating time & resources to those areas they know bring them money. Koch sells CDs to stores who sell them to you. Their schedules and priorities are based on that, not on the desires of a few hundred rabidly impatient Zorn fans. It's great when there's a staff member who's willing to take the time to keep the info flowing online (& let me add my name to the list of people who've publicly acknowledged their appreciation for what Steve Smith did when he was at Koch), but it's not often seen as necessary by the people who cut the checks. The online CD sellers you mention are quite good, but note that some of them are often several weeks behind in updating the data bases at their Websites as well. They're more responsive to e-mail cause they're (at least in part) retail outlets. Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #78 ****************************** To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-zorn-list": subscribe zorn-list-digest local-zorn-list@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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