From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #84 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Sender: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Friday, June 27 1997 Volume 02 : Number 084 In this issue: Upcoming ION releases Re: Upcoming ION releases dougie nashville Re: nashville Re: nashville Material Need dates Re: Need dates Zorn article? Re: Zorn article? Re: Zorn article? eric friedlander Re: Zorn article? albinees painkiller Zorn's aesthetic Ikue Mori Bacarach/Zorn readings Re: Material Re: Material Re: Ikue Mori Re: eric friedlander The Tzadik website Does anybody know the line-up for the Masada Montreal show? Questions Re: Questions Re: Ikue Mori Re: Zorn's aesthetic Re: albinees Kronos Quartet RV: Kronos Quartet Re: Kronos Quartet Switchbox CD Re: Questions Info about John Zorn box... (fwd) Re: Questions Re: Kronos Quartet john zorn show? Masada Live CD, etc. Re: Masada Live CD, etc. RE: Masada Live CD, etc. Re: Masada Live CD, etc. Re: Masada Live CD, etc. See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:04:23 -0400 From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Upcoming ION releases Hey All, These are listed at the Caroline web site. Any ideas as to release date? Any clue as to what ELIXER is? ION CD ION 002003 ELIXIR HEGALIEN ZONE 611688200325 1598A 15.98 ION CD ION 002004 DEATH CUBE K DISEMBODIED 611688200424 1598A 15.98 Also, Jeff, any word on the status of the US releases for the Douglas stuff? Praxis? I'm real excited about the Skopelitis Bjorkenheim release. - -Sean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:38:09 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Upcoming ION releases At 11:04 AM 6/13/97 -0400, Sean Terwilliger wrote: >Hey All, > >These are listed at the Caroline web site. Any ideas as to release date? >Any clue as to what ELIXER is? > >ION CD ION 002003 ELIXIR HEGALIEN >ZONE 611688200325 1598A >15.98 This is DXT and a few other people (I am in NYC for the Praxis concert and don't have my notes with me) doing some spacey turntable stuff. I should have a tape next week and can report more. > >ION CD ION 002004 DEATH CUBE K DISEMBODIED >611688200424 1598A >15.98 Buckethead doing the dark ambient thing, Bill plays bass and there is someone else I think. Once again, I should be able to tell more next week. > >Also, Jeff, any word on the status of the US releases for the Douglas >stuff? Praxis? I'm real excited about the Skopelitis Bjorkenheim >release. Douglas is working on a US distribution deal. I don't know when it will be done. The Skopelitis Bjorkenheim thing is really good. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 15:37:51 EDT From: M.Ho Subject: dougie I'm having the worst time finding the Dougie Bowne-Hopkins-Medeski disc. Can anyone help? - -Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:46:49 +0100 (BST) From: N Vassiliou Subject: nashville Frisell's Nashville is out for some time now. Has anybody listened to it? Nick V. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:29:32 -0400 (EDT) From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: nashville In a message dated 97-06-14 18:53:12 EDT, nv102@york.ac.uk (N Vassiliou) writes: > > Frisell's Nashville is out for some time now. Has anybody listened to it? > > Nick V. Yes, I love it!!! It still blows me away what he can do. I mean the way he can fit into any musical setting, still sounding like "Frisell", yet nothing he plays sounds out of context. Jody ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 08:59:21 -0400 From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" Subject: Re: nashville N Vassiliou wrote: > > Frisell's Nashville is out for some time now. Has anybody listened to it? > > Nick V. If you are familiar with the previous "Quartet" release and such CDs as "Have a little faith" then it is not a great leap toward "Nashville." It is excellent. Frisell is certainly not afraid to take chances, and most of what he does is worth hearing. There is almost a straight line from way back to his Vernon Reid duos up to Nashville, fans need not worry! Alan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:44:31 -0500 (CDT) From: seanter@ix.netcom.com Subject: Material CD Now lists two items by Material that I am curious about. The first is called _No Day To Talk_, its on EFA/DNA records and is due next week. The secon is an apparant re-issue of _Seven Souls_ on Triloka. Is this the re- mix that was supposed to be on Meta last year? - -Sean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:58:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AJSExec@aol.com Subject: Need dates I'm finishing up a history of free jazz and improvised music, to be published in early '98 by Greenwood Press. Could someone on the list please provide me with the birthdates of Zorn, Bobby Previte, Wayne Horvitz and Fred Frith, and the date of Sonny Sharrock's death? That's about all I need to polish off the bio pages. Thanks! - - Todd S. Jenkins, Executive Director, American Jazz Symposium ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:00:30 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Need dates On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:58:36 -0400 (EDT) AJSExec@aol.com wrote: > > I'm finishing up a history of free jazz and improvised music, to be published > in early '98 by Greenwood Press. Could someone on the list please provide me > with the birthdates of Zorn, Bobby Previte, Wayne Horvitz and Fred Frith, and > the date of Sonny Sharrock's death? That's about all I need to polish off the > bio pages. Thanks! Zorn: September 2nd, 1953 Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:09:26 -0700 (MST) From: Corey Marc Fogel Subject: Zorn article? does anyone remember/have an essay written by Steve Albini where he harshly criticizes Zorn for his inclusion in such a multitude of projects that he doesnt necessarily have that much to do with, etc etc? correct me if you know what i'm referring to and i've mixed up any of the information. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:17:55 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Zorn article? On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:09:26 -0700 (MST) Corey Marc Fogel wrote: > > > does anyone remember/have an essay written by Steve Albini where he > harshly criticizes Zorn for his inclusion in such a multitude of projects > that he doesnt necessarily have that much to do with, etc etc? > > correct me if you know what i'm referring to and i've mixed up any of the > information. It was reproduced in an Italian magazine. Forgot where it got published first. The article showed that Albini had not the slightest clue of what Zorn had done in the past 10 years... He could have written the same thing in 1985 and would have been, at least, saying the same kind of blurb that most journalists were writing on Zorn at that time. Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:20:40 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Zorn article? On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:09:26 -0700 (MST) Corey Marc Fogel wrote: > > > does anyone remember/have an essay written by Steve Albini where he > harshly criticizes Zorn for his inclusion in such a multitude of projects > that he doesnt necessarily have that much to do with, etc etc? The article was published in THE WIRE 122. Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:53:08 -0700 From: dmr@ix.netcom.com (dmr) Subject: eric friedlander does anyone have any info on eric friedlanders Avant release? avalibility, descriptions as well as other musicians involved. thanks, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:49:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Zorn article? As Patrice wrote, the article's in _The Wire_ 122. It's not written by Albini; it's in a "blindfold test" type interview. Albini criticizes Zorn in discussing a Naked City piece the interviewer puts on. As I read his comments, the criticism is fourfold: (1) Zorn makes his money by having great musicians do their thing and then adding some basically trivial content of his own ("blowing a duck call over them"). (2) Zorn hops around between different aesthetics. He could not be fully committed to all of them. (3) Zorn also hops from band to band without allowing one project to develop. (4) Zorn takes his aesthetics from others, rather than developing one of his own. I'm not sure I entirely agree with Patrice that the criticism couldn't apply to the last ten years of Zorn's work. (I don't think it does, but I think it's mostly as reasonable now as it would have been in 1987.) (1), I suppose, is not plausible as a criticism of, say, Masada, but it's more applicable to, say, _New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands_, than it would have been to, say, _The Classic Guide to Strategy_. However, I seem to recall reading someplace that Zorn typically gives/gave part of the composer's royalties to his musician's, on the ground that they contributed to the final composition through their playing. Can anyone back me up on this? I find (2) through (4) a lot more interesting. One could imagine them being applied not only to Zorn, but also to some other musicians whose work I admire a lot: Bill Laswell, Kip Hanrahan, Hector Zazou . . . My server's about to go down, so I don't have time right now to say why I don't think these criticisms apply, but I'd be interested in hearing what others think. Perhaps this could foment a discussion. The list's been kind of dead lately. So here are the two questions raised by Albini's criticisms which I find most interesting: Does Zorn have a consistent aesthetic underlying all his work? Is it artistically important to have such an aesthetic? I'll post more on this some time in the next couple of days if there's interest. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:21:15 +0100 From: cedric perrier Subject: albinees So here are the two questions raised by Albini's criticisms which I > find most interesting: Does Zorn have a consistent aesthetic underlying > all his work? Is it artistically important to have such an aesthetic? > I'll post more on this some time in the next couple of days if there's > interest. > > Chris Hamilton > I don't know what is "a consistent aesthetic underlying", but I think anyone could easily answer that question by yes; zorn got obviously a really personal style and sound and it's enough to define the identity of a musician as we can call it and whatever postmodern he can be this sound could easily be identify as the usual mix of dry hard bop and postserial european music whatever cultural content he's throwing in it (from napalm death to jewish tradition to...) even when he squeals and crash whith say eye yamatsuka it's easy to recognize this zorn touch which is probably his inner core of influence and his most ancient aproach to music, so that we can by the way consider as his own style... blah blah blah; anybody practicing music has a style anyway and it's not a content question, I don't see why zorn shouldn't have one. as an avid consumer of steve albini words and sounds I can as well say that one shouldn't take too seriously what steve usually say to magazines as his taste for language don't really go over metaphoric level of putting fire in a trashcan or pissing down the street; so I don't think albini's beavis and buttheadish declarations should constitute something of a debate, as he's just trying to piss off pc middle class americans like some of this zorn list, or worst (or best) making them debate about nothing of particular interest. so steve, well, fuck you and thanks and for you all get to the point faster! best regards cedric perrier > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:13:57 -0500 From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: painkiller Recently, someone metioned a Painkiller Cd called "Rituals". I have never heard of it before, Can anyone give me some information on this? ***************************************** "The Universe, She is a Bitch." ***************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:10:19 -0400 From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Zorn's aesthetic At 9:21 AM +0100 6/17/97, cedric perrier wrote: >So here are the two questions raised by Albini's criticisms which I >> find most interesting: Does Zorn have a consistent aesthetic underlying >> all his work? Is it artistically important to have such an aesthetic? I believe that Zorn has a unique sense of aesthetic, and certainly a profoundly personal one. This aesthetic is similar across certain genres of music in which he works, but I hold that it is not consistent *inbetween* these genres. Furthermore, I would say that this is one of the defining characteristics of Zorn's style, plus it fits with his often cited short attention span (which is also evidenced in his work) and extremely wide area of musical interest. For example, the identifiable aesthetic of "Blood is Thin" doesn't carry over to "Sicilian Clan". Similarly, there is a consistency between the Morricone interpretations and pieces on Filmworks, but these consistencies don't necessarilly match the aesthetic of a piece like Carny or Red Bird. On the other hand, there is a certain part of the music we'd like to call "Zorn's" which isn't "Zorn's" at all. It's the same kind of thing that Cage was about in divorcing the composer from the music - the elements of the music making are more indicative of the performers involved than the composer, per se. For instance, with Naked City we hear the aesthetic of Frisell filtered through that of Zorn. Often times these aesthetics match up with superb results, as in Masada. This is one of the wonderful things about improvised music - that the performer can infuse their own personality into the music in a way that can be done in no other kind of music making. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland http://www.butterfly.net/mozart school of music | | S | O | H | C | 4 | # | 3 | 6 | 5 | 7 | 9 | C | B | 6 | 5 | 0 | | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:17:04 -0500 From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Ikue Mori I picked up the Ikue Mori, Robert Quine, and Marc Ribot disc yesterday, and I can't stop listening to it. What are Ikue Mori's Tzadic Releases Like? ***************************************** "The Universe, She is a Bitch." ***************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:44:49 -0500 From: Mark Corroto Subject: Bacarach/Zorn readings check the latest Atlantic Monthly online Re: Burt Bacarach as cult hero and an archive article 1991 on JZ http://www.theAtlantic.com/atlantic/issues/97jun/burt.htm http://www.theAtlantic.com/atlantic/atlweb/jazz/dzorn.htm mc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:39:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "wesley@interaccess.com" Subject: Re: Material On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 seanter@ix.netcom.com wrote: > CD Now lists two items by Material that I am curious about. The first is > called _No Day To Talk_, its on EFA/DNA records and is due next week. > The secon is an apparant re-issue of _Seven Souls_ on Triloka. Is this the re- > mix that was supposed to be on Meta last year? 1) _No Day To Talk_ is really by Materia (notice the absence of the letter "l"). 2) Yes, it is a re-issue of the original with several (3?) remixes. Out 2 Lunch With Lunch,eat, Paul wesley@interaccess.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:45:24 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Material At 05:39 PM 6/17/97 -0500, wesley@interaccess.com wrote: >2) Yes, it is a re-issue of the original with several (3?) remixes. It is three remixes along with the original tracks. All three remixes are excellent, having listened to them several times now. Also, the recording originally called The Assassins will be released this year and will have some more Burroughs. It is now called Hashisheen: The End of Law and also includes Peter Wilson, Ira Cohen, Patti Smith, Iggy Pop among others doing spoken word, and music by Techno Animal, Paul Schutze, Sussan Deyhim, Anton Fier, Nicky Skopelitis, Eyeless in Gaza, Helios Creed, and Bill Laswell. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:27:22 +0000 From: Scott Russell Subject: Re: Ikue Mori - --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nathan M Earixson wrote: > > I picked up the Ikue Mori, Robert Quine, and Marc Ribot > disc yesterday, and I can't stop listening to it. > What are Ikue Mori's Tzadic Releases Like? I have Hex Kitchen which is great. There are various ensembles all playing different sounds. Mori's drum sounds are fascinating ranging from textured, percussive snaps to full on Zappa-esque flatulent blats. There are also bagpipes, things that sound like vacuum cleaners, guitars and Zorn.The music reminds me sometimes of Synclavier era Zappa (that's Jazz from Hell, Civilisation and bits of Meets the Mothers of Prevention). It's quirky but with a great sense of structure. Mori seems to be able to build layers and layers of sound each with it's own inner complexity. But she's also got a sense of humour. I'd love to hear the disc you mention, I take it it's Painted Desert right? Cheers Scott Russell - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:45:55 -0400 From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: eric friedlander >does anyone have any info on eric friedlanders Avant release? avalibility, >descriptions as well as other musicians involved. > >thanks, > >david Friedlander's Avant release, like his Tzadik release, is played by Erik with clarinetist Chris Speed, bass clarinetist Andrew d'Angelo, and bassist Drew Gress. Both are quite wonderful, in a dark chamber music kind of style on Jewish themes. Highly recommended if that description appeals. Don't know if Koch has resolicited the Avant release yet but the Tzadik should be widely available. The Tzadik website is in progress and should be quite amazing... more details when I get them. We're talking graphics, soundbotes, text descriptions, and the ability to either buy CDs direct or pay Steve ssmith@knittingfactory.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:11:27 -0400 From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith) Subject: The Tzadik website Sorry, ladies and gentlemen... for reasons beyond my control, the last message got sent before I could finish my thought. Here goes again... The Tzadik website is in progress and should be quite amazing... more details when I get them. We're talking graphics, soundbites, text descriptions, and the ability to either buy CDs direct from Tzadik or pay to download music directly. Zorn will have ultimate authority over everything on the site including regular editorial input. It should be up in a month and will truly be a definitive site, much more than anything I was able to do myself at Koch. I'll keep you posted when I hear more... Steve ssmith@knittingfactory.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:59:34 +0000 From: cfinkle@YorkU.CA Subject: Does anybody know the line-up for the Masada Montreal show? Hi, I was wondering if anybody knows the line-up for Masada's show in Montreal. Thank you, jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:34:14 -0400 From: Dave Brunelle Subject: Questions I had a couple of questions that I hope someonw can answer : 1. In the liner notes for Zorn's "First Recordings" he made mention of re-releasing "Archery" on Tzadik last year. I assumed it was going to be on the 3 CD "Parachute Years" set, but that never showed up. Does anyone know what's going on with that? 2. I read an interview with Mick Harris about a month and a half ago in which he spoke of getting together with Painkiller in June. Does anyone know the status of that either? He was going to play as Scorn in Brooklyn last night, but he cancelled the show. 3. Who was the drummer at the Praxis show last week? The recording at Creative Time said her name was Sandra Blackman (I think). Truthfully, from where I was, I couldn't see if it was a guy or girl! I was curious who the drummer was, and what else she/he has done. Thanks for any help anyone can give me. Dave Brunelle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 08:16:38 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Questions At 10:34 AM 6/20/97 -0400, Dave Brunelle wrote: >2. I read an interview with Mick Harris about a month and a half ago in >which he spoke of getting together with Painkiller in June. Does anyone >know the status of that either? He was going to play as Scorn in >Brooklyn last night, but he cancelled the show. Verona, Italy on June 22. > >3. Who was the drummer at the Praxis show last week? The recording at >Creative Time said her name was Sandra Blackman (I think). Truthfully, >from where I was, I couldn't see if it was a guy or girl! I was curious >who the drummer was, and what else she/he has done. Cindy Blackman. Most well-known for playing with Lenny Kravitz, but now likely to tour with Praxis, mostly in Europe. Seeing her after the show was surprising - she has very thin arms and it is hard to imagine how she plays. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:36:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Ikue Mori _Garden_ is probably my favorite non-Zorn release on Tzadik. It's a solo album focusing largely on overlapping drum machine sequences, although it also includes samples and some non-electronic percussion. If you like Mori's work, or you're interested in electronic music, I'd highly recommend it. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Zorn's aesthetic On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Matthew Ross Davis wrote: > I believe that Zorn has a unique sense of aesthetic, and certainly a > profoundly personal one. This aesthetic is similar across certain genres of > music in which he works, but I hold that it is not consistent *inbetween* > these genres. Furthermore, I would say that this is one of the defining > characteristics of Zorn's style, plus it fits with his often cited short > attention span (which is also evidenced in his work) and extremely wide > area of musical interest. I think the short attention span (is this still plausible as a description of Zorn after _Redbird_?) manifests itself in more ways than just the genre-hopping. I see concision as being a longstanding theme in Zorn's work. The quick changes in _Cobra_, _Spillane_ and much of the Naked City material are one example of this. Each soundblock has to be concise, or it won't have the chance to be developed. The interest in hard-bop compositions and Coleman's small-group compositions seems to be related in that the written music in these cases typically consists of a short, catchy head. (The Masada compositions obviously come in part from this tradition.) And, of course, film music also often involves a severe compression of musical material in order to fit the screen action. This is particularly evident in obvious Zorn influence Carl Stalling and in Zorn arrangee Ennio Morricone. And even much of Zorn's straight free improv work is based on this idea. For examples, see the Stalling-like solo playing on _The Classic Guide to Strategy_ and the short, punky improvs on _Locus Solus_. > On the other hand, there is a certain part of the music we'd like to call > "Zorn's" which isn't "Zorn's" at all. It's the same kind of thing that Cage > was about in divorcing the composer from the music - the elements of the > music making are more indicative of the performers involved than the > composer, per se. Absolutely. But, like Cage, Zorn typically does impose a structure on the way his musicians contribute. The game pieces are the most radical example of this, but I think it applies to something like the Masada pieces too. For contrast, think of projects organized by someone like Derek Bailey, who leaves overall structures completely unpredetermined, but does a lot to determine how they'll sound internally through his own playing. Actually, I think that the attempt to develop compositional structures which give as much freedom as possible to the improviser while still being ordered by the composer's personality is one of the unifying themes of Zorn's work. The file-card pieces and the use of the studio as a compositional tool fit in here, I think. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: albinees On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, cedric perrier wrote: > this sound could easily be identify as the usual mix of dry hard bop and > postserial european music whatever cultural content he's throwing in it I'm trying to think of a good counterexample to this, and, to my surprise, I can't. I think you're right that the hard-bop influence is (at least in retrospect) evident in his playing even in the early years when his work scarcely seemed to draw on the mainstream jazz tradition. > as an avid consumer of steve albini words and sounds I can as well say > that one shouldn't take too seriously what steve usually say to > magazines as his taste for language don't really go over metaphoric > level of putting fire in a trashcan or pissing down the street; Yeah, well, I know Albini mouths off a lot, and I don't really mean to give him any credit for incisive criticism here. I just think the questions I drew from Albini's comments are genuinely interesting. > so I don't think albini's beavis and buttheadish declarations should > constitute something of a debate, as he's just trying to piss off pc > middle class americans like some of this zorn list, or worst (or best) > making them debate about nothing of particular interest. Well, obviously I am interested in discussing Zorn's music. If you're not, you may not be on the right mailing list. As far as who Albini's trying to piss off, I'd imagine an article in _The Wire_ is more likely to piss off Europeans than Americans, as it's published on your side of the Atlantic. I'm not sure how you've learned so much about the political views and class identity of Americans on this list, but feel free to blow it out your pompous, inbred European ass. Have a nice day, and thanks for the thoughtful response. Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:32:58 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Kronos Quartet I have recently been investigating the work of the Kronos Quartet... Does anyone out there have any opinions on any of the quartet's work? Also, I was interested to find their recordings of works by Zorn, Bartok and Shostakovich...can anyone tell me of a collection which contains this material? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 16:04:56 -0300 From: "cmurat" Subject: RV: Kronos Quartet - ---------- > De: cmurat > A: Julian ; Zorn List > Asunto: RE: Kronos Quartet > Fecha: sábado 21 de junio de 1997 16:01 > > Here is some of what you want: > Short Stories (Elektra 79310-2) J.Zorn:Cat O´Nine Tails > Winter was Hard (Elektra 79181-2) J.Zorn: Forbidden Fruit (originally > released on > J.Zorn´s Spillane) > Black Angels (Elektra 79242-2) D.Shostakovich: Quartet No. 8 > White Man Sleeps (Elektra 79163-2) B.Bartok:String Quartet No.3 > > cmurat@rcc.com.ar > > > ---------- > > De: Julian > > A: Zorn List > > Asunto: Kronos Quartet > > Fecha: sábado 21 de junio de 1997 8:32 > > > > I have recently been investigating the work of the Kronos Quartet... Does > > anyone out there have any opinions on any of the quartet's work? Also, I > > was interested to find their recordings of works by Zorn, Bartok and > > Shostakovich...can anyone tell me of a collection which contains this > > material? > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:44:23 -0400 From: ssmith@knittingfactory.com (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: Kronos Quartet >I have recently been investigating the work of the Kronos Quartet... Does >anyone out there have any opinions on any of the quartet's work? Also, I >was interested to find their recordings of works by Zorn, Bartok and >Shostakovich...can anyone tell me of a collection which contains this >material? As I recall a barrage of pro/con Kronos sentiment posted here last year, I think it's safe to say that yes, many people out there have very distinct opinions on this group's work. For myself, I think that whatever the relative merits of their playing, they ARE providing a welcome service by championing the living composer (and ever letting the world at large know that yes, there ARE still living composers, for that matter). Sure, they do descend into kitsch, the comfortable exotica of world music, and fashion on regular occasions, but for every PIECES OF AFRICA or "Purple Haze" there's more than enough credible music to make up for it. Of course, the upcoming PIECES OF AFRICA II and ANCIENT MUSIC (new transcriptions of ancient works by the likes of Hildegarde of Bingen - a dreadful New Age arrangement IMHO) may tip the scles in the other direction. You might try the two CD set RELEASED/UNRELEASED, one disc containing samplings of many of their prior releases and one containing new, previously unreleased material. It's a pretty fair representation of the group at its best and, sometimes, its worst. The collection SHORT STORIES I also find to be quite exceptional. And I've always wanted to have a collection of the three Zorn quartets, even if it meant the third repackaging of "Forbidden Fruit" and the second of "Cat o'Nine Tails." It would be worth it to have a recording of "The Dead Man." Of course, Nonesuch COULD also issue "The Dead Man" as a single (they've done something like seven CD singles by Kronos so far)... that way, you could stick the thing on shuffle play and create a new version every time. For those who don't know the piece, it's a tribute to Robert Mapplethorpe in something like 40 short sections, and no performance is supposed to include all of the sections. I heard it twice in consecutive evenings the year it was premiered and it was similar yet different each time. Maybe Tzadik could assemble a quartet to do just that... then we'd perhaps have a basis for comparison. Certainly the Kronos statute of exclusivity has run out... it only lasts three years and "The Dead Man" dates from 1989... Steve Smith ssmith@knittingfactory.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:17:45 +0800 From: Jan-Wen Lu Subject: Switchbox CD There's a new CD of Frank Schulte's Switchbox-"Berge Du Berg Ich" reviewed by "Wire" magazine this month. Released by Moers Music(Moers Music 03008 CD). With Anna Homler, David Shea, Tony Buck, Michael Moore, Axel Otto and Martin Schutz. Sounds a great release!! Can anyone inform me any good online mailorder distributor with this item? Thanks!! - -- Jan-Wen Lu E-Mail address: janwenlu@asiaonline.net.tw ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:47:12 -0400 (EDT) From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Questions In a message dated 97-06-21 03:24:20 EDT, aim@pluto.skyweb.net (Dave Brunelle) writes: > > 3. Who was the drummer at the Praxis show last week? The recording at > Creative Time said her name was Sandra Blackman (I think). Truthfully, > from where I was, I couldn't see if it was a guy or girl! I was curious > who the drummer was, and what else she/he has done. > She was Cindy Blackman. She's well known for playing with Lenny Kravitz. I thought she was really good. She reminds me of Tony WIlliams at times. Although I think she could have used some more practice time with Praxis. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: Info about John Zorn box... (fwd) Hi, I got this email from someone who isn't a member of the zorn-list. Can anyone more knowledgeable than I on this topic reply to him personally. Thanks, mike rizzi zorn-list-owner-from-hell >From: "Valerio Uberti" >To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com >Subject: Info about John Zorn box... >Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:00:17 PDT > >Hi I'm Valerio from Italy. > >I heard something 'bout a 100 cd box set live that should be released >this year by John Zorn. >This (huge) box it's been recorded in China. >Distributors here in Italy are collecting money 'bout >pre-selling/booking, offering a special price if you pay in advance. >The point is that there's no sign 'bout this box set... >What is your comment/advice??? >Did you hear other info 'bout this box set? > >Thanks for your attention!!! > >email me back at godismycopilot@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:47:31 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Questions At 12:47 PM 6/22/97 -0400, IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 97-06-21 03:24:20 EDT, aim@pluto.skyweb.net (Dave >Brunelle) writes: > >> >> 3. Who was the drummer at the Praxis show last week? The recording at >> Creative Time said her name was Sandra Blackman (I think). Truthfully, >> from where I was, I couldn't see if it was a guy or girl! I was curious >> who the drummer was, and what else she/he has done. >> > >She was Cindy Blackman. She's well known for playing with Lenny Kravitz. I >thought she was really good. She reminds me of Tony WIlliams at times. > Although I think she could have used some more practice time with Praxis. There was only one practice session, the night before. Since it looks like she will be playing more, things should get a little tighter. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material www.hyperreal.com/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:17:49 -0700 From: john shiurba Subject: Re: Kronos Quartet steve: > And I've always wanted to have a collection of the three Zorn quartets, > even if it meant the third repackaging of "Forbidden Fruit" and the second > of "Cat o'Nine Tails." there's at least one other Zorn string quartet; "Memento Mori" which (I believe) was also commissioned by Kronos, or at least they premiered it. - -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: MrBungL26@aol.com Subject: john zorn show? does anyone know if john zorn will be playing in SF soon (e.g., this summer)? info is greatly appreciated ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:04:29 -0700 From: Mike Rizzi Subject: Masada Live CD, etc. While in Amoeba Music (Berkeley, CA) yesterday, I noticed a reasonable stock of the Masada Live (Jazz Door - Germany) "bootleg" CD's for $18. Also, the Groove Yard (Oakland, CA) $11.98 sale on all in stock Avant and DIW titles was extended until July 6th. I've been having a ball filling in the holes of my Avant collection this way. I'll write some reviews of my purchase spree "one these days"[tm]. cheers, m. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:18:21 -0700 (PDT) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Masada Live CD, etc. On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, Mike Rizzi wrote: > While in Amoeba Music (Berkeley, CA) yesterday, I noticed a > reasonable stock of the Masada Live (Jazz Door - Germany) > "bootleg" CD's for $18. this sounds like the same bootleg i asked about a year ago. the sound quality is good, but the location and lineup are apparently referenced incorrectly. i listen to it often enough to say it was worth buying. > Also, the Groove Yard (Oakland, CA) $11.98 sale on all in > stock Avant and DIW titles was extended until July 6th. wow! too bad i won't be able to make it up there before then. bought a few things the last time i was there during the sale. does the extension include all Soul Note titles? hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:37:15 -0700 From: Mike Rizzi Subject: RE: Masada Live CD, etc. >> Also, the Groove Yard (Oakland, CA) $11.98 sale on all in >> stock Avant and DIW titles was extended until July 6th. > >does the extension include all >Soul Note titles? The postcard I got says that all Black Saint, Soul Note, Red, Improvising Artists, Philology and Ram CDs are $9.98 a disc. It also says that phone/mail orders welcome (510)655-8400 m. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 16:58:41 -0500 From: "Glenn Astarita" Subject: Re: Masada Live CD, etc. - ---------- > From: Mike Rizzi >> > The postcard I got says that all Black Saint, Soul Note, Red, > Improvising Artists, Philology and Ram CDs are $9.98 a disc. > It also says that phone/mail orders welcome (510)655-8400 > > m. > > > > > FWIW,, Tower is having a sale on all Soul Note, Black Saint, Songlines and Allegro cd's this week....Lots of great stuff on those labels....hurry ! It may be over after tomorrow.. Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:18:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Masada Live CD, etc. On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote: > this sounds like the same bootleg > i asked about a year ago. the > sound quality is good, but the > location and lineup are apparently > referenced incorrectly. i listen > to it often enough to say it > was worth buying. I'd second the recommendation for those without scruples about this sort of thing. But I hadn't heard that the lineup was listed incorrectly. What's the supposed error? Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #84 ****************************** To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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