From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #99 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Sender: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Monday, August 18 1997 Volume 02 : Number 099 In this issue: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #98 Re: Grand Guinore Re: Masada Cds In Los Angeles Area Lori Carson Laswell/Ulmer Power Trio Re: Lori Carson (was:Re: Nicole Blackman) Masada 8; Parachute? Re: Masada 8; Parachute? Re: Grand Guinore re: heretic, absinthe Absinthe pics re: heretic, absinthe Re: Grand Guignol & Absinthe Re: heretic, absinthe Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #98 Re: Grand Guinore Re: Absinthe/SPK Re: The Grand Guignol masada: general question Re: grand guignol and carny Bible Launcher See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: WINRECORDS@aol.com Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #98 RE: Masada 7/8 Having trouble locating these in the L.A. area (especially #7...i know it's been out for a bit but i have yet to see a copy here.) This is odd, because the Masada releases have never been that difficult to come by here. Is their distribution different now? Anyway, wondering if there are there any mail order companies that carry these titles?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:11:14 +0000 From: "Marc A.Foster" Subject: Re: Grand Guinore Steve Smith wrote: > > "Heretic" is nice but very episodic... and none of the tracks features > the complete band, if that makes a difference. And "Absinthe" is > probably the most difficult of the Naked City releases... For the record: "Absinthe" is big departure from the standard Naked City sound, but for me, it is much less difficult than "Heretic". In fact, I think "Heretic" is one of the most difficult albums I own. You probably won't be walking down the street whistling "Absinthe", but most of Heretic makes me feel like I'm going to throw up. But then maybe that's what makes it good. I'd still pick "Absinthe" as one of my favorite Zorn albums and "Heretic" as one of my least favorite. Marc A. Foster ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:02:40 -0700 From: "mcmullenm" Subject: Re: Masada Cds In Los Angeles Area Dear Winrecords-- Have you checked PooBah Records in Pasadena? They will order it for you if they don't have it in stock...626-449-3359...[use 818 area code if 626 doesn't work, but i'm pretty sure they are in the new 626 area]...PooBah has found me every CD i have ever searched for...they will do it by mail if you live too far to drive there... Rakete, Sz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rinnzekete bee bee nnz krr muu? -- Kurt Schwitters ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:00:51 +0000 From: Phil Subject: Lori Carson Stickman wrote: >>What is the status of Lori Carson? Any good web links for info on her? Try http://www.specialoperations.com/lori.html. It's an unofficial site & will link you to the Golden Palominos site too. Phil Clarkson phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:11:58 +0000 From: Phil Subject: Laswell/Ulmer Power Trio I know it's been months since you were discussing whether Bill Laswell had played in a power trio with James "Blood" Ulmer, but a quick trawl through Ulmer's discography at http://www.nwu.edu/WNUR/jazz/artists revealed the following: JAMES BLOOD ULMER "Wings" JAZZ FILE JF1006 1) Lady Blue (Ulmer) ( 9:17) 2) After Dark (Ulmer) (13:08) 3) Black Sheep (Ulmer) ( 8:59) 4) Wings/Drum Solo (Ulmer) (12:53) 5) Show Me Your Love America (Ulmer) (10:33) 6) I Belong In The USA (Ulmer) (13:07) James Blood Ulmer: g,voc Bill Laswell: b Ronald Shannon Jackson: dr rec. Zurich, 4.11.1988 I guess this is it. Looks good - has anyone heard it? Phil phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:49:52 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Lori Carson (was:Re: Nicole Blackman) At 09:05 AM 8/16/97 -0700, stickman wrote: >Jeff & all, > What is the status of Lori Carson? I must say that one of my >favorite CDs this year is her recent, "everything I touch runs wild", do >you know if she's touring or will be touring? Any good web links for info >on her? Bill and Anton have no current projects together, especially since Anton killed the Palominos. Bill may use Lori on some more spoken word projects but I have heard about nothing new. Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 02:03:06 +0000 From: "Charles Gillett" Subject: Masada 8; Parachute? On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:50:36 -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > BTW, what is the title of Masada 8? It should be Het or some variant spelling thereof (Xet, Cheth, Hchet). Can anyone enlighten me as to what exactly will be on the Parachute Box CDs? It'll just be the Parachute albums that feature Zorn, right? I looked at the Zorn discography and couldn't figure out how that material could fill up 6 CDs. There are 5 Parachute albums listed in the discography. Each one gets a CD, plus a CD of oddities? Then again, "Archery" doesn't look like it could fit on one CD.... - -- Charles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:28:28 -0400 (EDT) From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Masada 8; Parachute? In a message dated 97-08-17 04:30:43 EDT, gill0042@gold.tc.umn.edu (Charles Gillett) writes: > Can anyone enlighten me as to what exactly will be on the > Parachute Box CDs? It'll just be the Parachute albums that > feature Zorn, right? I looked at the Zorn discography and > couldn't figure out how that material could fill up 6 CDs. > There are 5 Parachute albums listed in the discography. Each > one gets a CD, plus a CD of oddities? Then again, "Archery" > doesn't look like it could fit on one CD.... I hear there is about 2 hours worth of unreleased stuff, which makes it worth buying. And if there's only 1000 being made, I think it will be highly sought after once they are all gone. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Grand Guinore In a message dated 97-08-16 22:12:25 EDT, you write: > "Absinthe" is big departure from the standard Naked City sound, but for > me, it is much less difficult than "Heretic". In fact, I think "Heretic" > is one of the most difficult albums I own. You probably won't be walking > down the street whistling "Absinthe", but most of Heretic makes me feel > like I'm going to throw up. But then maybe that's what makes it good. > > I'd still pick "Absinthe" as one of my favorite Zorn albums and > "Heretic" as one of my least favorite. > I'll just go on record and say that "Heretic" is my favorite NC release, except for maybe the first one, or "Radio". I especially like hearing Frisell in duo or trio settings really reaming; this recording is really like no other, although I cant say Ive ever felt the need to vomit while listening to it. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:52:32 -0600 From: louie Subject: re: heretic, absinthe > Also, can someone describe "Heretic" and "Absinthe"? heretic: cut and paste jazz, almost cartoon music(reminds me of locus solus at times) with each track featuring either frith/zorn or frisell/frith/baron or zorn/eye, etc. each track being an individual improv for the individual artists of naked city. typical NC nervousness, but hey... (cool art too, as usual) absnithe: dark abient sound loops. something i disliked at first and now i find fantastic. one track is just a low hum for like six minutes. very experimental. look absinthe up in the dictionary, the music describes it (or it describes the music) very well. the artwork is typical zorn; extremely high quality printing. and like the music, repetitious.(anyone know what it is in the photo?) (if you like absinthe, you'll like some of the tracks from the zorn/eye release "nani nani". one track is 18 minutes of eye's screaming, looped.) - -louie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:56:38 +0200 From: Stephane Vuilleumier Subject: Absinthe pics Louie wrote: >look absinthe up in the dictionary, the music describes it >(or it describes the music) very well. the artwork is typical zorn; >extremely high quality printing. and like the music, repetitious.(anyone >know what it is in the photo?) I don't know about the inflated pustulous legs typical of zorn's "high quality artwork", but the record itself (on the avant pressing) has a photograph of french poet Paul Verlaine sitting in front of a glass of absinthe (or is it the glass sitting in front of him?) Stephane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:10:15 -0700 (PDT) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: re: heretic, absinthe On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, louie wrote: > heretic: cut and paste jazz, almost cartoon music(reminds me of locus this album is meant to be a film soundtrack, but i think perhaps it's a soundtrack for an imaginary film. regardless, i like the way the tracks flow. and if you liked the artwork, check out the book "Jeux des Dames Cruelles" which all of the photos are lifted from. i actually found a copy of the book at a local comic book shop (of all places). > experimental. look absinthe up in the dictionary, the music describes it > (or it describes the music) very well. speaking from experience, the music describes the *experience* of drinking absinthe extremely well. better than i could ever with words. there's an excellent book on the history of absinthe called "Absinthe: History In A Bottle" by Barnaby Conrad III (Chronicle Books). there are also numerous web sites with the absinthe FAQ (including recipes). > the artwork is typical zorn; > extremely high quality printing. and like the music, repetitious.(anyone > know what it is in the photo?) the outside photo is a piece by surealist artist, Hans Bellmer. he constructed/painted many "dolls" like these. the liner notes credit the piece as "Les Jeux de la Poupee". the photo on the CD itself, however, is that of Paul Verlaine in an absinthe stupor. note the glass of his "humble ephemeral absinthe" next to the inkwell on the table. and i love the way they did the photo in that murky green color that absinthe is. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:00:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Caleb Deupree Subject: Re: Grand Guignol & Absinthe A few more opinions on the Naked City albums Grand Guignol and Absinthe. I find the short thrash pieces to be the most difficult of NC's varied output, but what keeps me fascinated by the group is the sheer diversity of their output. The pieces by the likes of Debussy, Messaien, and Ives (and then juxtaposed with Torture Garden) form a core part of this impression, and for me the first half of GG is therefore essential. This goes doubly for the entire Absinthe album; if you like them for the variety in their repertoire, this also is essential. Redbird would be another possible point of reference in addition to those already mentioned, but Feldman is definitely the closest in my experience. My companion dislikes Naked City more than almost any other music in our collection, but is remarkably open to other forms of strange electronica (musique concrete, even Xenakis Legends of Eer was ok, etc.). The look I got when I identified Absinthe as Naked City was extremely gratifying. NP: Asmus Tietchens & Arcane Device - -- Caleb T. Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com ;; For every complex question there is a simple answer. ;; And it is wrong. (H. L. Mencken) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: rizzi@netcom.com (m. rizzi) Subject: Re: heretic, absinthe SUGAR in their vitamins?, demi-God and Icon sez: > >artwork, check out the >book "Jeux des Dames Cruelles" >which all of the photos >are lifted from. i actually >found a copy of the book >at a local comic book >shop (of all places). It's fairly easy to find here in the States. A good source is the store/mail-order collective Good Vibrations who also have a web presence at http://www.goodvibes.com/ A quick search showed that they have it listed on their website for $15. cheers, mike rizzi - ------------------- rizzi@netcom.com ----------------------------------- www.browbeat.com "Another nerd with a soulpatch" www.grin.net/~rizzi/burma.html browbeat magazine, po box 11124, oakland, ca 94611-1124 ---------------- ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 97 21:43:00 -0400 From: "Matthew S. Cramer" Subject: Re: zorn-list Digest V2 #98 On Sat, Aug 16, 1997 1:55 PM, dayna wrote: Anyone interested in this? The sooner I know; the sooner I can let the buyer know how many of these to bring in. Even Abbey Road won't be ordering half a dozen box lots of this monster... Is this a Zorn box set? Is it the one that has been being dicussed on the list over the last 6 months or so? Thanks, Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:13:56 -0700 From: stickman Subject: Re: Grand Guinore By the way, what is the exact chronology of the Naked City releases (by year)? is it: Naked City Grand Guignol Torture Garden Heretic Leng T'che Radio Absinthe Also i applaud the listener that can listen to Absinthe. I think the crackly thing at the end really pushed me over the edge. By the way, i recall a joey baron interview somewhere on the web in which he spoke a little about the Absinthe recording and he said something like that Zorn didn't want any identifiable sounds for that recording. I think he succeeded. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:44:28 +1000 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Absinthe/SPK On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, stickman wrote: > > Also i applaud the listener that can listen to Absinthe. I think the > crackly thing at the end really pushed me over the edge. By the way, i > recall a joey baron interview somewhere on the web in which he spoke a > little about the Absinthe recording and he said something like that Zorn > didn't want any identifiable sounds for that recording. I think he > succeeded. > Unnh; I think I could maybe hazard reasonable guesses at a few of the sounds on this disc. There's one track on Absinthe (dunno - offhand - exactly which) built around samples off of SPK's excellent and *rocking* first album, Information Overload Unit. Same record gets plundered by Zorn and Eye on their Nanni Nanni collab - for the track Propollution, from memory. And just this weekend I think I recognised a fragment of this same record in Ground Zero's swansong, Consume Red. Cheers, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:55:05 +1000 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: The Grand Guignol On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, louie wrote: > >Can anyone tell me something about Naked City's Grand Guigore (sp?)? I > >just saw it in a used shop and am curious, tho' I have to admit that >some of the hairy NC doesn't do it for me that much. Thanks. > > as most zorn fans know, it's "grand guignol" (pronounced geen-yol) it's > what was known as the theatre of horror back at the turn of the century > in france where they actually operated on (disected?) people in front of > an audience. (can anyone back me up on this?) No actual operations, but a lot of psychodramas enhanced with animal offal and pig's blood. A bit like the late-nineteenth century equivalent of a Gwar concert, maybe. There's a book came out a few years back about the whole thing, but I can't recall any other details off-hand. But I think the ideas of the Grand Guignol were in some part inspiration for the early gore films of HG Lewis. There was also a Chicago rep theatre company operating along similar lines late 70s/early 80s; Stuart Gordon and Jeffrey Coombs (Reanimator) were ex-alumni. Cheers, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack D Blanton Subject: masada: general question Hi, I was hoping someone could answer a question about the Masada discs. I have 1 and 6 as well as Bar Khoda (sp?). I really like 1 and Bar Khoda but am not as fond of 6. Can anyone tell me what the other discs are like? Do they tend to run toward a the "Jewish" sound (for lack of a better term) of 1 and Bar Khoda or toward the "Ornetteishness" of 6? Also can anyone suggest other discs that might appeal to me based on the above (ex. how is the New Klezmer Trio, etc.). Finally, what does the parachutte years stuff sound like? Thanks in advance for any help you all might give. JACK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:34:02 +1100 From: cmmildren@rubens.its.unimelb.edu.au Subject: Re: grand guignol and carny In regards to the nature of the grand guignol theatre tradition, I'm sure it has more to do wiith just grotesque transgressive subject matter that gave a low-art thrill to the masses of 19th century Paris, and definitely not actual dissections! The term now refers to high melodrama, anything with extreme and passionate violence and taboo sexuality. I have both a tape and a score of Zorn's Carny. It is a mgnificent virtuoso piece in the almost archetypal Zorn manner, a cut and paste of every possible style all interpreted frenetically into pianistic idioms. Direct qoutes from major piano composers appear, often backward or upside down. Stephen Drury sent me a tape and a score here to australia after I found his article on the piece in Perspectives On New Music, an academic journal, Summer 1995 or 1994 i think. His performance is exemplary as you would expect from the dedicatee. He mentioned that he would be recording this piece for Tzadik in 1997 to be released with a cut of Zorn's piano concerto! A Zorn orchestral piece! The mouth waters. I don't remeber the address of stephen but it can be found in the journal I mentioned above. Probably available at a university library or the like. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:08:41 +0200 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Bible Launcher I recently bought the Bible-Launcher Tzadik-CD. There are some very funny 'songs' on it, although it becomes a bit boring after half an hour of listening. I was wondering what happened to this record, since it is no the Tzadik-website. Why was it removed from the catalog? Yves ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #99 ****************************** To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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