From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #1013 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, July 22 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1013 In this issue: - Re: Third Rail Re: Odp: Boulez Re: Odp: Boulez Re: Odp: Boulez hunger for reviews Re: Odp: Boulez Re: hunger for reviews inspiring new Tzadik releases discovering new music RE: TWO INSPIRING CONCERTS RE: new Tzadik releases RE: new Tzadik releases Tzadik series... Don Cherry Berio - sequenzas pachora "ast" Re: pachora "ast" fred frith & boulez (though not together) faust news (??) RE: fred frith ECM/Gismonti/Haden ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:19:39 -0400 From: Nils Subject: Re: Third Rail "Neil H. Enet" wrote: > any opinions on the band THIRD RAIL with Bill Laswell > (and I think James Blood Ulmer?). _south delta space age_ is very good, in my opinion. it's clearly ulmer's record, but much more accessible and trim than his earlier stuff... probably due to laswell. some good humor in there. it's a funk/blues album primarily, so don't go into it expecting another _captain black_. "funk with me, and i'll funk with you!" -- jb. ulmer n - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:47:31 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Odp: Boulez On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:33:46 +0200 "Marcin Gokieli" wrote: > > Who is Gann? what did he say? (I also would like to feel less stupid) Kyle Gann is a composer and music critic. I will write down a few excerpts from the article, but concerning LE MARTEAU SANS MAITRE, he basically said that after having listened to it so many times (and even studying it), the piece was almost as cryptic as it was on the 1st listening, and that with the exception of one moment, he could not find his marks at all! Since I have the exact same problem and I have felt intellec- tually impaired because of that, this revelation by Gann made me feel much better (we were at least two in this situation :-). I found it refreshing (I mean the honnesty of saying that you don't understand something), like when I read that most prominent French novelists/intellec- tuals acknowledged having never read *completely* FINNEGAN'S WAKE. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:04:41 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Odp: Boulez Here is the excerpt on LE MARTEAU SANS MAITRE, from Kyle Gann (published in PULSE! August 1999): "In recent years, however, I've been struck by the number of new-music mavens who've come up to me and, almost guiltily, admitted that they find Boulez tremendously overrated. In particular, they -- and I -- express disillusionment with his first succes d'estime, the piece still most often mentioned in the history books: LE MARTEAU SANS MAITRE. When it first appeared it seemed frighteningly exotic, the beginning of a bold new era of music-science, and it spawned a thousand imitations; today, does any other icon of 20th century music seem so unmemorable? I've reviewed several recordings of the work (the best is probably Boulez' own on CBS MK 42619), analyzed movements of it in college, once studied it for a semester as a conducting tutorial, and must have heard it over 100 times, a couple of them live. Yet put the disc on today, and except for the anomalous finale, I couldn't tell you which movement is which. The chance to dethrone Boulez wouldn't be so tempting if he hadn't built such a mystique around LE MARTEAU and around himself. In a 1963 book published in English as ON MUSIC TODAY, he bragged in vague terms about the incredible new ways in which he was conceptualizing pitch, timbre and rythm (or rather, as we all said back in those abstract days, duration). He gave out hints about how he was deriving complex sonorities by "multiplying" chords together, and provided almost enough detail that one could start to analyze the sacred LE MARTEAU. Almost. In reality, LE MARTEAU remained impervious to analysis for a quarter-century, until around 1981 a Russian named Lev Koblyakov broke Boulez' code and published an analysis proving that, yes, the work was indeed entirely based on a twelve-tone row. I remember the news being important enough to be reported in TIME." - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:17:54 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Odp: Boulez On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:37:29 -0400 "Ljova" wrote: > > Didn't Orpheus CO record Pulcinella? What do you mean by "CO"? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:17:38 +0200 From: "Rob Allaert" Subject: hunger for reviews Hey Steve, you wrote: "Peter Epstein Quartet: Truly fine young band (saxophonist Epstein plus Jamie Saft on accordion, Chris Dahlgren on bass and Jim Black on drums), clever writing, heated playing, and exceptionally fine recorded sound. I don't think I've ever heard as much fine detail in Jim Black's textures. Not especially "out," but a really good solid postmodern jazz date that swings in lotsa different meters. Enthusiastically recommended. They've got a newer disc on the same label. 'The Invisible,' and everything I've just said holds for that one too, with the addition of Saft's piano and Farfisa organ." Well, somehow you convinced me and I ordered these: 1 "Solus" Peter Epstein 1 "Staring At The Sun" Peter Epstein Quartet; 1 "The Invisible" Peter Epstein Quartet; 1 "Dogs Outside" Todd Sickafoose Group (w/ Peter Epstein); 1 "Without Words" Miroslav Tadic, Peter Epstein; Anything else on Ibarra's and Saft's and Klezmer3 ? Thanks for the review. Rob, Belgium NP: Brad Shepik - The Well(w/ Epstein, great too) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:28:39 -0400 From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Odp: Boulez At 9:17 AM -0700 7/21/00, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: >On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:37:29 -0400 "Ljova" wrote: >> >> Didn't Orpheus CO record Pulcinella? > >What do you mean by "CO"? > That would be the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra, wouldn't it? - -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:34:27 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: hunger for reviews Rob Allaert wrote: > Well, somehow you convinced me and I ordered these: > 1 "Solus" Peter Epstein > 1 "Staring At The Sun" Peter Epstein Quartet; > 1 "The Invisible" Peter Epstein Quartet; > 1 "Dogs Outside" Todd Sickafoose Group (w/ Peter Epstein); > 1 "Without Words" Miroslav Tadic, Peter Epstein Damn! All I can say is, I'd better be right about Epstein or you're gonna come find me... ;-) > Anything else on Ibarra's and Saft's and Klezmer3 ? Not yet, but soon, soon... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Thelonious Monk, "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes," The Complete Prestige Recordings (Prestige) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:30:05 EDT From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: inspiring In a message dated 7/21/00 10:46:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << ZXMgCkdheWxlLCByb2NrIGFydGlzdHMgSGVucnkgUm9sbGlucywgTWlja2V5IEhhcnQgYW5k IFZlcm5vbiBSZWlkLgoKV2UgaG9wZSB0aGF0IHlvdSB3aWxsIGF0dGVuZCBhIGNvbmNlcnQu CgoKRm9yIG1vcmUgaW5mbzogICB3d3cuZWlzZW5iZWlsLmNvbQo= - - >> wow, that is inspiring. ben - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:52:48 EDT From: MorMovies@aol.com Subject: new Tzadik releases I picked up two of the new Tzadik cds at NYC's Downtown Music today- MASADA LIVE IN SEVILLA 2000 (amazing!) and Jamie Saft's SOVLANUT (from psychedelic dub to drum and bass!). - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:31:53 +0200 From: "Rob Allaert" Subject: discovering new music Hey Zorn-agains, Visit this wonderful web site www.marecordings.com It's just amazing !! Rob, Belgium << ....... http://www.frontstage.com/rob ________________________ NP: Pachora - Pachora (go get it !!) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:20:58 +0200 From: "Rob Allaert" Subject: RE: TWO INSPIRING CONCERTS Eisenbeil@aol.com wrote: "TWO INSPIRING CONCERTS: "FURSBSRUxFQVNFOgoKClBPU0lUSVZFIEtOT1dMRURHRSAKVE8gUEVSRk9S ..." I'm glad it only were two concerts :) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:38:10 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: new Tzadik releases "I picked up two of the new Tzadik cds at NYC's Downtown Music today- MASADA LIVE IN SEVILLA 2000 (amazing!) and Jamie Saft's SOVLANUT (from psychedelic dub to drum and bass!)." LIVE IN SEVILLA is already out? Amazon says that it will be released the 25th!!!!! So, how is it? Neil H. Enet - ------------ - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:20:20 -0400 From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: RE: new Tzadik releases Hello, >LIVE IN SEVILLA is already out? Amazon says that it will be released the >25th!!!!! So, how is it? I don't know if it is out, but I bought it yesterday evening in Montreal and it was not the only copy! How is it? Well, I still need to find some time to listen to it... Probably tomorrow! Bye, Mathieu - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:09:27 GMT From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Tzadik series... Hello, Isn't it about time for Tzadik to get a "electronic" series or something like that? It's not 1950 anymore... And what is the "key" series anyway?! Did you that that thing on Eugene Chadbournes hopmepage that he was denied having one of his CDs released in the "radical jewish culture" series, but that he "is still lobbying"??? That's pretty funny... Bye Arthur ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:57:11 +0100 From: "ian r watson" Subject: Don Cherry I picked up a cd the other day Don Cherry "Cool" on The Dressed to Kill label. According to the sleeve the tracks are Amejelo Bamboo Night Blue Lake East Part 1 East Part 2 Smiling faces going places Orient Part 1 Most of it is drums/flutes and drums/bass/piano/ vocals very little trumpet. I distrust the info and recognise a clumsy edit from Mu , a version of "Man in the moon" and also "Orient part 1" is taken from the Affinity cd (which is in fact Desireless)...has anyone got any idea where the other tracks are from ? cheers.......Ian - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:39:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Whit Schonbein Subject: Berio - sequenzas Just checked out from the local library a 1998 release of the complete (at the time at least) sequenzas by L. Berio, performed by members of the ensemble intercontemporain + some others. I only mention this because i had no idea how great these are. Each is written for a different solo instrument, and each 'sequence' is like an 'avant-garde improv miniature' (except, of course, its notated). I am particularly struck by the peices for oboe, for clarinet, and for violin, but then these were the first i happened to listen to. this particular release is on deutsche grammophon, and has liner notes by Berio, commenting on each sequence (which is sometimes not so enlightening - more enlightening than braxton talking about his music, i suppose ;). I'm usually pretty wary of contemporary classical because with all the atonalism and what have you, it all starts to sound the same to my ears. but this is really great. in case anyone cares, whit - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 01:28:24 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: pachora "ast" Can anyone tell me what this recent Pachora release is like? I have both their others, how does it compare? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:15:22 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: pachora "ast" In a message dated 7/22/00 11:34:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au writes: << Can anyone tell me what this recent Pachora release is like? I have both their others, how does it compare? >> It's as good if not better. See my review at Amzon.com Cheers, Tom Top 10 CD's for July 1. Masada Live in London 2000 2. "In His Own Sweet Way" Dave Brubeck Tribute 3. Iris Dement "Infamous Angel" 4. Billy Bragg/Wilco -- "Mermaid Avenue 2" 5. Miles Davis -- "Complete Live At The Plugged Nickel" 6. Thomas Chapin -- "Alive" 7. Buena Vista Social Club 8. Johnny Cash -- "American Recordings" 9. The Best Of Patsy Cline 10. The Clash -- "London Calling" - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:49:58 CDT From: "Kristopher S. Handley" Subject: fred frith & boulez (though not together) I'm now listening to Fred Frith's TRAFFIC CONTINUES compositions with the Ensemble Modern, Ikue Mori, and Zeena Parkins; I owe all you who recommended this---it's terrific, a really uplifting, schizoid experience, so far beyond the "eclectic" that it makes me forget about those troublesome trendy bon mots like "postmodernism". The recording quality is great, and the Ensemble is beyond fluid. A rough ride, and pretty distinct from anything I've heard before. The use of samples surpasses most of what I've What a winner! Who needs "Le Marteau San Maitre"? Question: where do I go from here? The only Frith I've heard (excluding Naked City) is the second Death Ambient album, which is nice as mildly disturbing wallpaper, and some of the duo material with Henry Kaiser, which is OK with me, but not to the extent of his playing on TRAFFIC. I'd love some recommendations with annotations (descriptions), if anyone has the time. I can't believe I haven't yet checked out henry Cow. Some day I'll get around to checking out this rock and roll stuff these kids are talking about... I've heard great things about the 1.) guitar quartet; 2.) solo performances; 3.) other "composed" and ensemble material (i.e. the double album of graphic score performances; PACIFICA; string quartets; etc); 4.) (sort of) ad hoc groupings (anyone like the trio with Mori and Larry Ochs? the LATER album w/ Mori and Mark Dresser? what about the albums with Chris Cutler?); 5.) smaller ensembles, assumedly of Fred's compositions (some sextet...?); 6.) film music. Sorry to take up so much space ignorance-broadcasting, but this guy's catalog is insane. As for Boulez... "There was a young man with a lot of people around him who was discussing literature in a fierce tone of voice. He spoke particularly of Gide, who had died the previous year, and insulted him. I asked who this bad-tempered young man was---sharp as a knife, sure as a prophet, and bad-mannered to boot. I was told that his name was Boulez..." ---Raymond Aron, on his first encounter with Boulez, c. 1951 (to be fair: Aron proceeds to immediately recognize Boulez's precocity at that time.) I remember there was a particularly illuminating discussion on-list about the politics of IRCAM, but I can't remember when---one year ago? Two? At any rate, for newcomers, it might be interesting to do some archive spelunking. cheers, - ----s ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:25:25 CDT From: "Kristopher S. Handley" Subject: faust news (??) Sorry if this is redundant, but the due date is upon us, for those who want the exclusive advance-order "mystery item": 1971-73: The Wumme Years - 5 CDs and book - ReR FB1 - £42 5 CDs in a presentation box with a substantial booklet containing, amongst other things never-before published contemporary pictures, interviews with the legendary Kurt Graupner - the engineer responsible for Faust's extraordinary early recordings - whose innovations and experiments are finally given the exposure they deserve (he has never been interviewed before and took some tracking down) and with members of the original group. This is story of an extraordinarily creative period and of a remarkable situation - the group had their own studio, almost unheard of at the time, and a lot of people came and went and a lot of extraordinary things happened there, here documented for the first time. There is also a memoire by Peter Blegvad (who stayed and worked at Wumme in those years (the first Slapphappy LPs were made there) and much more. Then there is the film connection - and a lot of other documentary material. The CDs in the box are the first 2 historic records: Faust and Faust So Far (So Far with its artwork restored), The Faust Tapes completely re-mastered and repackaged, 7I Minutes Of re-mastered and repackaged, and finally the legendary 1973 BBC sessions plus 5 unreleased tracks from the period and two others never released on CD. As an ReR customer you get this notice first and are top of the list. And if you order and pay now (it helps us with the huge production costs) we will send you a special copy with an extra item, available only to subscribers before the official release date. All this at the special price of £42 (price will be higher after release date). The 5 CDs will of course also later be individually available. *taken from the ReR website, www.megacorp.u-net.com/sale.htm ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:34:28 -0600 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " Subject: RE: fred frith >I've heard great things about the 1.) guitar quartet; 2.) solo >performances; I have "Guitar solos" and think it's great except for a few tracks which I skip every time I listen to it. I once had "eye to ear" but I sold it. Matt Wirzbicki on now: Conlon Nancarrow "studies for player piano" WERGO - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:38:09 -0700 From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com Subject: ECM/Gismonti/Haden I've resolved the mystery of ECM's (missing) catalog -- that is, why many titles have been unavailable. Bottom line is, they'll nearly all be back in the near future. This according to an ECM publicity official: ECM changed distributors last year. The old distributor, BMG, had rights to the warehouse stock and exclusive rights to distribute that stock (i believe it was for 6 or 8 months). So the new distributor had wait. Once the clock ran out, the new distributor began manufacturing the back catalog. Because of output limitations -- about 25 titles per month -- they've developed a system for the order of making the discs and that is, doing the back catalogs of the artists who have new releases so that those releases will be supported by a back catalog. Egberto Gismonti's back catalog may be available with his next new release if this system continues. That next release may be Haden-Gismonti, the Montreal Tapes, thanks to an ECM agreement with, I believe, Verve, which has been slowly releasing the other Haden ensembles from that series of concerts.... Martin np. Uri Caine-- Love Fugue/Robert Schumann (lovely!) - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #1013 ******************************** To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com