From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #122 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Sender: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Friday, September 19 1997 Volume 02 : Number 122 In this issue: Parachute Years Box Masada dead? Not quite... (plus Dave Douglas news) Re: Masada dead? Not quite... Painkiller (was Re: Masada dead?) FUNNY GAMES OST knitting factory tonight Skate Key Re: Skate Key Re: Parachute Years Box Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp PARACHUTE YEARS Re: Masada dead? Not quite... Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp Re: Masada dead? Not quite... (plus Dave Douglas news) Re: Reich, Partch etc. Re: Leng Tch'e Re: Leng Tch'e Paging Tom Pratt NYPhilharmonic commission See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:44:15 -0700 From: tricky88@earthlink.net Subject: Parachute Years Box A while back I offered to get some of these for people on the Zorn-list because I work at a record distributor. Several people were interested. Well, I got them in, we have about 10 left at work, and if anyone is still interested in buying one of these from me, I would still be happy to send them out. Again, the reason I offer is that I get them at cost: $81, and it has a list of $99.98. Plus I don't get charged tax on my purchases, so that takes off another $8.00 you'd pay the govt. Postage is $3 (they ARE heavy though), so the total is $84. If your store didn't get it, or it costs too much there; drop me a line. About the box: - -The packaging IS very nice; lots of notes to read while listening. One thing struck me as odd; Zorn's picture on the front of the set. Other than the Early Years; it seems rather out of character for him to put himself on itso literally. Not that he seems like a modest man though... Inside there ARE admittedly many photos of the players; but this was late 70s, and MOST people looked REALLY ugly then. The personal photos, all candid, contrast poorly with the gorgeous (game of) pool pictures in the set, and the individual cover art, though it is a bit small to see clearly. The notes in Hockey are very short and simple. In Archery, expanded to 3 CDs (one of rehersals) the notes are very extensive; both technical and anecdotal. I hate to spend so much time raving about the design of the thing, but the music is going to take many weeks for me to digest (and will have to compete with new Cornershop and Southern Culture on the Skids). And I've never seen a label care so much about design as Tzadik. So far, I must admit that I genuinely like what I've heard more than I thought I would. - -Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:17:22 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Masada dead? Not quite... (plus Dave Douglas news) Having run the alarmist rumor flag up the pole yesterday, I feel duty bound to provide an update: Last night I asked Dave Douglas if Masada was truly coming to an end, and mentioned the rumor that the New York shows would be their last. He said that Masada 10 had been recorded on Monday the 15th, bringing the band's studio commitment to an end, but that they would continue to play together on occasion, although they would have to raise their collective price tag since it's so difficult to get them all together lately as they're all so busy. Regarding the Knit shows, he said it would probably be the band's last club run in New York since the price they get there is not the price they envision for the future. But yes, the band will continue whenever they get the right offer, presumably mostly at festivals and so on. And of course Tzadik has promised live material from Cafe Mogador (a tiny Morrocan restaurant in the East Village where they workshopped the material every Monday night for a few months at the very beginning, the crowd spilling out onto the sidewalk and pressed up close to the band, a very charged atmosphere) and Jerusalem, so the flow of Masada on disc is in no danger of drying up soon. And that's not to mention all the tapes out there being traded... Dave also mentioned he had just recorded with (if memory serves) Guy Klucevsek, Mark Feldman and Erik Friedlander for Winter and Winter (which he says is right on the verge of having an American distribution deal) and with Chris Potter, James Genus and Ben Perowsky (his straightahead jazz quartet) for Arabesque. This in addition to the recently released "Sanctuary" and the soon-to-be released Wayne Shorter tribute with his sextet for Arabeque. And in December he'll take that latter sextet uptown for a week at the toney Iridium club in New York. Busy as ever... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:38:54 -0400 From: "Andy Marks" Subject: Re: Masada dead? Not quite... > Last night I asked Dave Douglas if Masada was truly coming to an end, > and mentioned the rumor that the New York shows would be their last. > > He said that Masada 10 had been recorded on Monday the 15th, bringing > the band's studio commitment to an end, but that they would continue to > play together on occasion, although they would have to raise their > collective price tag since it's so difficult to get them all together > lately as they're all so busy. Anyone have any clues/educated-guesses as to what Zorn's next "major" project will be, now that Masada seems to be winding down? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:43:11 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Painkiller (was Re: Masada dead?) So does anyone know if Painkiller will play again? Bill's response on this is that it is up to John Zorn. Jeff Spirer Axiom Records: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:18:43 +0200 (MESZ) From: BJOERN Subject: FUNNY GAMES OST i was told that there are two songs of NAKED CITY in the movie FUNNY GAMES which is in cinemas in europe at the moment....... anyone know which songs they are?? BJOERN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:46:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Ethan Subject: knitting factory tonight KISMET, a ragged group of improvisors from Chapel Hill, North Carolina, is performing tonight at the Alterknit Theater at the Knitting Factory (11pm; $6). Appearing with Kismet will be Michael Lytle (of Dr. Nerve) and Ed Chang. Kismet has a CD out on Daisy Lane Records; you can listen to it with Realaudio at http://www.webslingerz.com/daisylane Here's a review of the CD that will appear in issue # 30 of IMPROVIJAZZATION NATION: kismet: CURIOUS YELLOW - Now, here's some refreshing improv! Yah, I know FZ said jazz wasn't dead & that it "smelled funny"... well, this stuff SOUNDS >funny... movement in perpetua, no long segues or horrendous stretches of >"nothingness" to bore ya' to tears. Clearly improvised, but it >sounds like something you'd expect to hear on yer' first voyage to Jupiter. >Real feel of "looseness" in th' playing that makes a surely "sweet" >impression on this reviewer's aural appendages. If yer' lookin' for >somethin' jazzy, new & (quite) hard to define - GET THIS! >Dick Metcalf, aka Rotcod Zzaj >Editor, IMPROVIJAZZATION NATION 'zine & >Perpetrator, Zzaj Productions tapes >http://www.olywa.net/rotcod ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:23:54 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Skate Key Is the Naked City song "Skate Key" on any albums? I love this tune... -Tom Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:59:32 -0700 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Skate Key Tom Pratt wrote: > > Is the Naked City song "Skate Key" on any albums? I love this tune... > > -Tom Pratt Sure, cut 17 on 'Radio' Brian O. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:47:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Parachute Years Box On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 tricky88@earthlink.net wrote: > Again, the reason I offer is that I get them at cost: $81, and it has a > list of $99.98. Plus I don't get charged tax on my purchases, so that > takes off another $8.00 you'd pay the govt. Postage is $3 (they ARE > heavy though), so the total is $84. Hrmmm. My retailer charged me $79 plus tax. Does he just like me a lot or what? (Mind you, that still worked out to slightly more than the total cost of Mark's offer. Just curious, that's all.) Chris Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:57:16 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp I've been listening to plenty of Ives, Bartok and Penderecki as of late and want to take it a step further. I want to hear the always-talked-about music of Steve Reich and Harry Partch. For some STRANGE reason, I have yet to own anything of either of theirs. I have heard multiple snippets though. SO, I would like to buy one album by each of them and would love your help. Tell me: what are your favorite albums by Partch and Reich?????? I haven't seen much talk on Duras:Duchamp which I find very excellent and much more successful than Redbird. I am pissed to see John Medeski's name spelled wrong though (they spelled "Medesky"). Hate that... -Tom Pratt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp > always-talked-about music of Steve Reich and Harry Partch. For some > STRANGE reason, I have yet to own anything of either of theirs. I have > heard multiple snippets though. SO, I would like to buy one album by > each of them and would love your help. Tell me: what are your favorite > albums by Partch and Reich?????? Tom - one of my favorite Reich recordings is the work he did with the Kronos quartet and Pat Metheney: two pieces on an Elektra/Nonesuch CD called "Different Trains" and "Electric Counterpoint". > and much more successful than Redbird. I am pissed to see John Medeski's > name spelled wrong though (they spelled "Medesky"). Hate that... Is John Medesky of Polish descent? | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland http://www.artswire.org/~mrd/nozze school of music | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:35:37 -0700 From: Schwitterz Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp Tom Pratt wrote: > Tell me: what are your favorite > albums by Partch and Reich?????? Steve Reich: DRUMMING...the Deutsche Grammophon version is superior to the version he re-did when CDs came out [the DG version is now on CD] and MUSIC FOR 18 MUSICIANS on ECM Harry Partch: My favorite may not be on CD = DELUSION OF THE FURY...the recent ENCLOSURE TWO is essential, but is a 4CD set and may not be the place to start...it has some very primitive recordings of Partch performing his own stuff, especially Ten Li Po Lyrics...Also fabulous versions of Barstow and US Highball... Tied with Sun Ra for my all time favorite live music experiences was seeing Barstow and Delusion of the Fury performed by Partch's ensemble on his instruments [how else?] in San Diego many years ago...seeing Reich perform DRUMMING in its entirety at LA's Dorothy Chandler Pavilion ranks up there as well... Schwitterz > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:52:06 -0700 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp Schwitterz wrote: > > Tom Pratt wrote: > > > Tell me: what are your favorite > > albums by Partch and Reich?????? > > Steve Reich: DRUMMING...the Deutsche Grammophon version is superior to the > version he re-did when CDs came out [the DG version is now on CD] and MUSIC > FOR 18 MUSICIANS on ECM > Agreed, as to 'Drumming' (on DG) being the essential one. I'd also highly recommend 'Early Works', 'Sextet', and 'Octet/Violin Phase'. > Harry Partch: My favorite may not be on CD = DELUSION OF THE FURY...the > recent ENCLOSURE TWO is essential, but is a 4CD set and may not be the place > to start...it has some very primitive recordings of Partch performing his > own stuff, especially Ten Li Po Lyrics...Also fabulous versions of Barstow > and US Highball... Agreed once again, 'Delusion' easily makes my desert island list and is most fondly awaited on disc. You might also try CRI's 'The Music of Harry Partch' which contains several essential pieces including 'The Letter' and 'On the Seventh Day Petals Fell on Petaluma'. As to 'Duras:Duchamp', I think the former piece is possibly the best work yet from JZ in his 'classical' mode, reminding me strongly of both Messaien and Bryar's relatively unknown 'Hommages' (Disques du Crepuscule). I enjoy the Duchamp thing also, though it did send both my wife and dog fleeing from the room... Brian O. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:24:10 +0200 (MESZ) From: BJOERN Subject: PARACHUTE YEARS well i just have a simple question..please answer privatly...... i really love most of the stuff zorn has done but i am not too sure about the parachute thing....i mean here in germany it costs more than 100 $ and i am not THAT rich....... well i love Naked City and most of the Nonsuch stuff i also loved Cynical Hysterie a lot and maybe stuff like Elegy....... i am not too much into Masada and Painkiller......Locus Solus took me a hell lot of time to get into and i still do not know if i like it or not...... well any guesses if i should buy the Parachute thing (and dont tell me about its great design and linernotes etc...i saw it in the store yesterday and it is amazing.....) BJOERN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:20:24 -0400 (EDT) From: IOUaLive1@aol.com Subject: Re: Masada dead? Not quite... In a message dated 97-09-18 12:46:38 EDT, you write: > > Anyone have any clues/educated-guesses as to what Zorn's next > "major" project will be, now that Masada seems to be winding down? More free imrpov stuff, ala recent concerts at the Knit, the Zorn / Previte disc, etc. Jody ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:10:28 -0500 From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: Reich, Partch/Duras:Duchamp Tehillim (sp?) Is an excellent Steve Reich Peice. ************************************************************** " i can't imagine how you can be you and not wanna be dead" "Melville". ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:41:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: Masada dead? Not quite... (plus Dave Douglas news) On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Steve Smith wrote: > Having run the alarmist rumor flag up the pole yesterday, I feel duty > bound to provide an update: > > Last night I asked Dave Douglas if Masada was truly coming to an end, > and mentioned the rumor that the New York shows would be their last. > > He said that Masada 10 had been recorded on Monday the 15th, bringing > the band's studio commitment to an end, but that they would continue to > play together on occasion, although they would have to raise their > collective price tag since it's so difficult to get them all together > lately as they're all so busy. Regarding the Knit shows, he said it > would probably be the band's last club run in New York since the price > they get there is not the price they envision for the future. But yes, > the band will continue whenever they get the right offer, presumably > mostly at festivals and so on. > Of course, I suppose there's always the possibility that Zorn could keep Masada active with some less pricey sidemen, I've always thought it was a real shame that none of the other incarnations of the Masada project got documented. In fact, I'll admit to it here in this public forum, but I've always thought that the long ago forgotten "West Coast" group (Zorn, Ben Goldberg - clarinet, Trevor Dunn - bass, Kenny Wollesen - drums) pretty much kicked ass all over the main ensemble. Everyone was just so manic and over the top, it was really incredible. The Zorn/Ribot/Medeski/Martin band wasn't too shabby either. Of course, like a lot of other folks, I'm also looking forward to see if we can expect another brand spankin' new "working band" from Mr. Z as Masada sort of comes to a close. So I think either way here we win... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 03:19:54 From: Jesse Simon Subject: Re: Reich, Partch etc. As far as programmatic music is concerned, Steve Reich's The Desert Music can't be beat. It's an album length five movement piece with text by William Carlos Williams. The third movement is astounding. My favorite piece however is probably Violin Phase which features a soloist playing against pretaped versions of himself. It's available on an ECM record with (I believe) Octet. It's all good though Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 03:24:17 From: Jesse Simon Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e There was some discussion of Naked City's Leng Tch'e just the other day and it occured to me that I had a aquestion about it too: Does anyone know weather this piece was improvised in the studio or if there is an actual score (or at very least notations regarding what to play)? If there is a score, where might one get a copy of it? Thanks for your answers, Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:51:13 -0700 From: john shiurba Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e > There was some discussion of Naked City's Leng Tch'e just the other day and > it occured to me that I had a aquestion about it too: > Does anyone know weather this piece was improvised in the studio or if > there is an actual score (or at very least notations regarding what to > play)? If there is a score, where might one get a copy of it? there is a score, i've seen them perform it (more or less) as it's recorded-- i don't know where you can get the score, but this piece should be pretty easy to transcribe, as long as you don't mind counting a lot of sustained whole notes - -- shiurba@sfo.com http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:07:44 -0700 From: Schwitterz Subject: Paging Tom Pratt I do hope you'll let us know which Reich/Partch you procured and what you thought of it/them. Schwitterz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:26:33 -0400 From: stephen drury Subject: NYPhilharmonic commission Yo -- check out the January 22 ('98) program of the New York Philharmonic. (http://www.newyorkphilharmonic.org) Or come to Boston University's Tsai Center to hear Zorn's "Carny" Sept. 28. - --- steve ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #122 ******************************* To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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