From: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com (zorn-list Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com Subject: zorn-list Digest V2 #125 Reply-To: zorn-list@xmission.com Sender: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: zorn-list-owner@xmission.com Precedence: zorn-list Digest Saturday, September 27 1997 Volume 02 : Number 125 In this issue: Re: preZorn Film works question Re: Finding copies of the Monk tribute LP Re: Lane/Grand Guignol radio program featuring zorn and others... Zorn & EyE boxset? Re: Zorn & EyE boxset? Re: preZorn Covers on Naked City Mason Wendell's other group Sigmoid Flexure and the New York debut Re: Covers on Naked City Re: zorn-liVE Re: zorn-liVE Re: zorn-liVE Re: "Carny" in Boston? Re: preZorn Masada Gig. Zorn/Previtte blurb Masada songs Re: zorn-liVE Re: zorn-liVE Re: zorn-liVE See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the zorn-list or zorn-list-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:51:44 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: preZorn On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:32:26 -0700 (PDT) SUGAR in their vitamins? wrote: > > On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote: > > > Can someone point me towards more information on these guys? > > unfortunately, i don't know much > about MEV (would like to know > more!), but i do knwo there is a > CD from an old performance that > is available through Anomalous > and Forced Exposure. If it is the following: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - LEAVE THE CITY: Musica Elettronica Viva Actuel Volume 35. 1/ Message (M.E.V.) 2/ Cosmic Communion (M.E.V.) Recorded June 1970 Ivan Coaquette; Patricia Coaquette; Birgit Knabe; Nona Howard (side 2 only); Stephano Giolitti. 1971 (?) - Byg Record, 529.335 (LP) 1997 - Spalax (France), ??? (CD) Note: the sleeve is of very strong mystico-Indian inspiration (effect of the late 60's, I guess :-). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You should better save your money and invest it somewhere else. Patrice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: chad edwards Subject: Film works question On one particular JZ filmworks album the last twenty or so tracks are scores composed for use in commercials around the globe. I was disappointed that JZ was unable to list which products used which takes for commercial use. Does anybody know this info? _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:07:05 -0500 From: liquidgroove@mindless.com (Glenn Ianaro) Subject: Re: Finding copies of the Monk tribute LP I have this particular Monk tribute on Cassette, and the Zorn song is on it. I found it used in the corner bargain bin of a store in Pittsburgh. Does anyone know if the cassette is the entire recording? Or did they just omit a different set of songs from the cassette to the CD? GLENN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:01:22 -0500 From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: Lane/Grand Guignol On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:18:49 -0500 "Marc A. Foster" writes: > Anyway, read the article at: >http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/performing_arts_journal/18.2villasenor.html >Portrait of a Dead Man sounds like the Grand Guignol cover photo to >me. Can >anyone confirm this? > >Marc Foster > Actually, the photograph in question is an entirely different severed head on a platter than the Grand Guignol cover. No joke. ************************************************************** " i can't imagine how you can be you and not wanna be dead" "Melville". ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:16:16 -0400 From: Valkwitch Subject: radio program featuring zorn and others... For those of you who live in the Buffalo, N.Y. area, there is a new radio show called Empathatically Difficult: Experimental Composition & Monumental Improvisation. It aires on WBNY (91.3 FM) the college radio station for SUNY school Buffalo State College from 6pm - 9pm Wednesdays. I contribute almost half of what is played on air, the other half is by Bryan, the DJ/Host of the show. We have played selections from John Zorn's Naked City (the s/t nonesuch/warner release)and Masada 7 so far (the show is 2 weeks old) and hopefully plenty more in the future. We've also played tracks by artists like Derek Bailey, The Ruins and others. We are open to suggestions and requests by sending e-mail to: kapbld69@buffalostate.edu A webpage for the show has playlists, and a Links page set-up so far, the address: http://www.buffalostate.edu/~kaplbd69/ the playlist with John Zorn tracks: http://www.buffalostate.edu/~kapbld69/edpl2.html Also we are open to submissions of any decent avant/improvised/free-form home or studio recordings which may be broadcasted on the air. More information can be found at the webpage. Scott valksa87@buffalostate.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:26:10 -0400 From: Valkwitch Subject: Zorn & EyE boxset? I heard awhile back about this limited ed. 100 CD box set that was going to be a collaboration of Yamataka Eye and John Zorn. Supposedly many of the discs in the set were to only have 1 track lasting only a few seconds. The idea of such a release boggles my mind. But recently i've found it out that the concept has never materialized, i guess there are obvious reasons. Does anyone know anything else about this? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Zorn & EyE boxset? On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Valkwitch wrote: > i guess there are obvious reasons. Does anyone know anything else about > this? the label who had planned the release is no more. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:48:46 -0700 (PDT) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: preZorn On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > If it is the following: > > *** - LEAVE THE CITY: Musica Elettronica Viva > > You should better save your money and invest it somewhere else. no, not that one. the MEV i was referring to are (from the FE catalog): Title: ? Label: IRML Format: CD Catalog Number: IRML 02 A previously unreleased document of MEV -- four sections of an improvisation recorded in London, 1968, spread out over 43 minutes. The line up was Bryant (synthesizer), Alvin Curran (trumpet, percussion), Frederick Rzewski (amplified percussion, singing), Jon Phetteplace (amplified cello). Powerful, historic noise and the first easily available MEV music on CD. Also comes with a Bryant solo synth wig-out piece at the end. Both of these IRML CDs come in regular jewel cases, and endearingly primitive xerox graphics; essential stuff to say the least. Title: Live '94 Label: STOMACH ACHE Format: 7" Price: $3.25 Catalog Number: SA34 That MEV, as in: Alvin Curran (electronics, piano, tin), Frederic Rzewski (piano), Richard Teitelbaum (electronics), George Lewis (trombone, electronics). in going through my old archives, i found the following info on MEV: (for what it's worth) MEV is an acronym for Musica Elettronica Viva, a group dedicated to live electronic music and which started about the same time that AMM (in fact, there is a record on Mainstream with AMM on one side, MEV on the other). The more constant elements of MEV are the great piano player and composer Frederic Rzewski, Alvin Curran and Richard Teitelbaum. Occasionaly, people like Karl Berger, Garrett List, Steve Lacy collaborated with the group. The Mainstream label, while Earle Brown was its main A&R guy, put out a number of interesting avant-garde records, including one called Live Electronic Music Improvised. One side is MEV, the other side is AMM (the sides as labelled are reversed, btw). The AMM side consists of randomly chosen fragments from their great second record The Crypt, interspersed with random lengths of silence (that's "random" as in "random number generator"; it's not a value judgement). Cardew was a member of AMM when The Crypt was recorded. and this was posted to rmb ages ago when i still read that froop: I've been looking for MEV material, too--it's pretty rare. George Lewis was just a babe-in-arms when they were "together" (you know those 60s collectives), but the rest of the band included Alvin Curran, Frederic Rzewski, Alan Bryant & Ivan Vandor, along with Teitelbaum. I haven't heard much, but the music's in the wonderfully eclectic vein that came out of that period--part Karlheinz Stockhausen, part Albert Ayler, part Pink Floyd & part AMM, with whom I believe they shared an album (& perhaps even Cornelius Cardew?) They had a few albums on BYG hope this helps. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:35:51 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Covers on Naked City Anyone know where I can find the originals of I Want To Live (Johnny Mandel) or Contempt (Georges Delerue) from "Naked City"? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:49:49 -0400 From: Mason Wendell Subject: Mason Wendell's other group Sigmoid Flexure and the New York debut Hey folks, I apologise for the generic-ness of this mail but as you may know, nobody has signed on to any Sigmoid Flexure mailing list because there never has been one before. If you don't want one of the again just let me know and you'll never hear from Sigmoid again. Mon 10/6 9:00 PM - Sigmoid Flexure Knitting Factory's Alterknit Theater 74 Leonard St, NYC w/ Spooky Actions Sigmoid Flexure, Mason from Blinder and Prelapse's free improvisation group, will play the Knitting Factory on Oct 6th. The sound is most quickly described as Loud Free Improv. If you'd like a more detailed description... "Mixing equal parts free jazz and punk rock, Sigmoid Flexure finds a home between the walls of chaotic ambiance, hard-core composition, and spoken text rivers" I promise a great show. Come on down! Megan Gass - vocals, effects (from Blinder) Emily Weber - tenor sax (from Ever Since Day One) Chris Lavender - vibraphone Dane Johnson - fretless guitar (from Prelapse) Mason Wendell - fretless bass (from Blinder and Prelapse) Rohin Khemani - drums Hope to see you in NYC! Mason Mason Wendell Blinder- http://www.tiac.net/users/prelapse/blinder.html Sigmoid Flexure- Loud Free Improv Prelapse- the music of Naked City and new music for loud ensemble Freelance Computer Music Copying ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:16:41 From: Jesse Simon Subject: Re: Covers on Naked City At 08:35 PM 9/26/97 +1000, Julian wrote: >Anyone know where I can find the originals of I Want To Live (Johnny >Mandel) or Contempt (Georges Delerue) from "Naked City"? Both of these are based on the themes from films. I don't know much about I Want to Live (although I have seen the record once and the cover makes an appearance in a recent book about album soundtrack covers). Contempt on the other hand is a great film by Jean Luc Godard from 1963 with Brigitte Bardot, Michel Piccoli and Jack Palance. The music is by Georges Delerue who scored hundreds of french films in the sixties. Most of the music in the film is a variation on the central theme which Zorn distilled in his excellent Naked City recording. The original soundtrack for Contempt on vinyl is reasonably difficult to find (it being a french import and all). However Martin Scorsese recently rereleased Contempt in america and with any luck the soundtrack has been issued on domestic CD because of this. Hope this helps, Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:07:43 +0000 From: Dan Kuehn Subject: Re: zorn-liVE list-eners Listening to club noise live at KF just before Masada's 1st show Friday - just listened to rehearsals 6-7pm iguess - show starts now - 3pm Maui time 9 in ny - so cool i can hardly standit - gotta go ....will i get anything thru the dreaded peak hours?? we'll see! PS ..who's playing (taped) before the show? vibes bass + steel drum keyboard??? - -- Dan Kuehn resident manager Kailua Maui Gardens ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:08:37 -0700 From: "Schwitterz" Subject: Re: zorn-liVE list-eners Listening to club noise live at KF just before Masada's 1st show Friday - Dan Kuehn resident manager Kailua Maui Gardens Listening to them live in Ventura CA...pretty amazing...time for an audio upgrade now that their link is working well... Sz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: zorn-liVE wow! listening to Masada live right now. so amazing... hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:37:06 -0400 From: stephen drury Subject: Re: "Carny" in Boston? "Carny" was written by Zorn for solo piano. About 12 - 13 minutes long; completely notated. No, Zorn won't be at the BU performance. I'll be playing it again in January at Jordan Hall (New England Conservatory in Boston) and Zorn won't be there, either. - -- steve At 09:39 AM 9/25/97 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:23:21 -0400 (EDT) >From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew) >Subject: "Carny" in Boston? > > Could someone give me any more info about the Carny performance at >BU? Who's performing? What is Carny? Will Zorn be there (doubt it)? > >Much respect, >Rich Ladew >rladew@hopper.unh.edu > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:13:54 -0400 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Re: preZorn >Title: ? >Label: IRML >Format: CD >Catalog Number: IRML 02 >A previously unreleased document of MEV -- four sections of an >improvisation recorded in London, 1968, spread out over 43 minutes. >The line up was Bryant (synthesizer), Alvin Curran (trumpet, >percussion), Frederick Rzewski (amplified percussion, singing), Jon >Phetteplace (amplified cello). Powerful, historic noise and the first >easily available MEV music on CD. Also comes with a Bryant solo synth >wig-out piece at the end. Both of these IRML CDs come in regular jewel >cases, and endearingly primitive xerox graphics; essential stuff to >say the least. This CD is entitled "The Original MEV" and is available from Forced Exposure & RRR for $12. - -Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:13:04 -0700 From: stickman Subject: Masada Gig. Hey i caught the 11 pm show last night at the Knit. Zorn did announce that these were the last Masada shows. Someone at that point screamed out very loudly, "What's next John!!??", to which he had to have heard, but did not respond. Also it was quite apparent that the shows were being taped. Joey's solo's seemed shorter than i remember from last year's run, possibly because they were recording??? Zorn's solos lasted the longest, and, as with my opinions of the actual CD's, Greg Cohen was barely audible from where i sat (which was very close) and took only a brief solo. The Knit currently only has Masada 1-6 in stock, so my chances of scoring a copy of Masada 8 were out. I got Masada 7 there a few months back...it was the display copy from the glass case. They were sold out then also. What's the deal with that parking lot on the corner of Leonard and Broadway? We parked there...free...no tickets...it was uncanny. Also, why does the Knit always tell you that you cant wait in the hall before the doors open, and then they tell you the doors wont open for 20 min., and after you've crushed yourself into the bar seconds later, they open the doors immediately and all the people streaming in off the street get better seats than you do because, you followed their orders. This has happened to me at least 5 times. And it sucks. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:02:11 -0800 From: Todd Bramy Subject: Zorn/Previtte blurb Here's a little blurb from the latest epulse: jazz disc of the week: It may work for game show jingles and campfire songs, but cramming standard music into one-minute intervals doesn't usually translate into memorable listening experiences. JOHN ZORN and BOBBY PREVITE's 'EUCLID'S NIGHTMARE' (Depth of Field, out now) attempts to do just this, however. 'Euclid's' -- the first release for Previte's Depth of Field (what noteworthy jazz artist doesn't have his own label these days?) -- is divvied up into 27 unnamed tracks, all of which clock in at roughly a minute in length (with a few extended two-minute, don't-stop-now compositions thrown in). And it works. Zorn's sax and Previte's skin work are incredibly tight, and the tunes range from hastened interplay to soulful, Masada-esque melodies. It appears the pair kept the tape running on these sessions; there's occasional between-tune banter and many tracks blend perfectly into one another stylistically. And to think, in the minute it took you to read this, you could've been composing ... copyright (c) 1997 MTS, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:01:10 -0500 (CDT) From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU Subject: Masada songs Does anybody know if Masada's repetoire was composed all at once, or if the later discs actually contain newer material? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:52:48 +0000 From: Dan Kuehn Subject: Re: zorn-liVE Re: zorn-liVE Re: zorn-liVE Well, folks, I had to give up before the end of the first set. At first the digital hiccups were few and far between and kind of interesting (wonder how zorn would take to this weird web's-own-improvizing...), but it just kept getting worse; finally it was so annoying i had to shut down. fun while it lasted tho. that 2nd number - some kind of masada-vs-spy, huh? hotcha! If I may stir up a debate, What happens when we really do have quality digital live audio feed on the web? Is it the same as concerts on the radio? "Personal use" tapes OK? Not? Greed aside, how can i sit out here in the middle of nowhere and not share this event with my not-online friends? I for one would gladly fork over cash for a legit 2CD set of these KF Koncerts, whether i was holding a bootleg or not. I'm just a hungry fan - i can't help myself - forgive me! once again let me say tho that the privilege of being able to listen to rehearsal/soundcheck and even the crowd noise and background music in the club was a strange reminder that the KF is a REAL place, like i didn't know it already. To all you east coast clubhoppers: LUCKY DOGS! - -- Dan Kuehn resident manager Kailua Maui Gardens ------------------------------ End of zorn-list Digest V2 #125 ******************************* To subscribe to zorn-list Digest, send the command: subscribe zorn-list-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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