From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #200 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, January 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 200 In this issue: - D n' D Re: don king Re: Tom Waits Pueblo Masada String Trio on record ? Ken Butler on MTV...Every five minutes! Re: Ken Butler on MTV...Every five minutes! Re: Pueblo zorn / patton / cobra shows in SF Re: zorn / patton / cobra shows in SF Re: Tom Waits Discs of the year... alt.coffee 1-2/98 music sched John Zorn List V2 #144 John Zorn List V2 #144 Art Bears Re: Art Bears Stomu Takeishi Re: alt.coffee 1-2/98 music sched Re: Art Bears Re: Art Bears ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Dec 97 17:00:43 PST From: burns@te-cats.COM (John Burns) Subject: D n' D Long time lurker, first-time poster Dreyblatt-Animal Magnetism sparkles...stacatto pieces of sustaining ^ (never resolved) tension. I have been "minimally" exposed to his HatHut work (a couple of tracks on a comp) It was interesting, but lacks the percussive punch of the Tzadik release. Don King- Has plenty o' that knockout punch. This blew me away, ^ downtown 80's No-Wave but with horns...I had never heard of 'em before. "Revelry" in particular is like a Spaceheads (Andy Diagram) track on steroids. Attaboy Atavistic! If you have the original Double Vision release, cool points to you. Happy New 'Ear -John - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 00:23:36 -0500 From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: don king Joshua A Miller wrote: > > i just saw a blurb about a reissue of stuff by a band called don king, > which i think was a no wave era band with lucy hamilton and arto > lindsay's brother (and also arto). it was compared favorably to test > dept. anybody ever heard them? Test Dept? I dont see any similarity. Don King were a mid 80's NY band, the LP you speak of is good as I remember, NY Punk/Funk, kinda loose. My main memory is of a (rather poor) Double bill of Don King & Sonny Sharrock at the Kitchen in 1987. The groove was nice(Tony Mamone played bass) but the singer/Guitarist(Lucy Hamilton?) was totally out of it, and at one point passed out during the show. - -- Ignorance has a certain Charm, Stupidity does not. Frank Zappa - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:57:31 EST From: Dgasque Subject: Re: Tom Waits << On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Jason Tors wrote: Suggestions for select material by Tom Waits would be much appreciated. >> I rather enjoy _Swordfishtrombones_ . =dgasque= - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 07:11:42 EST From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh) Subject: Pueblo When did the premier of Zorn's Pueblo take place?? What was the instrumentation?? danka.... Geoff - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 11:32:48 +0100 From: "DAL" Subject: Masada String Trio on record ? When the Masada String Trio, consisting of Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander, Greg Cohen, came here in Belgium (19/11/97 - Brussels), they told that as soon as being back in NY they would record some material - to remember us what they sounded like :) according to them - Yet, I aint seen nothing yet about future release on Tzadik's site. What about it then ? I'm wondering if i'll ever hear again their astonishing rendering of Khebar (Masada 8). - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 18:18:57 -0700 From: tricky88@earthlink.net Subject: Ken Butler on MTV...Every five minutes! I don't know if anyone else has caught this, but I haven't seen it metioned here... While I was at my parents' house for Christmas I watched quite a bit of MTV's new station M2. In between videos they play short films as MTV always has, but they also played these musical interludes with very Harry Partch-esque looking instruments; particularly the Pyrex bottles cut into shapes and suspended from their necks. Isaw a couple of others including a rhythm machine made from a bicycle wheel hooked up to a home-made looking keyboard with light bulbs. It was odd in that there was only the music: no MTV logo and certainly no mention of the music or musician. The bicycle wheel device gave it away, and Iwhen I got home I checked the Ken Butler CD on Tzadik, and I am fairly sure that it his him. Anyone know how this guy ended up doing these films for MTV? The clips were on every few songs the couple of days that I glanced at the station. Lots of exposure but I doubt if many people will figure out who he is from watching it. On a somewhat related note, the head of the human resources dept. for the company I worked for is also named Ken Butler, and he flew into town this week to fire my entire department; me included. I was hoping to still be working there when Tzadik released those Masada box sets next year so I could make the same offer to the list subsribers I made with the Parachute Years set, but sorry. Hopefully someone else out there is able to get these big ticket items at cost for us on the list? (hint, hint) - -Mark Mauer P.S. So-Cal music -related job opening tips are greatly appreciated right about now at: tricky88@earthlink.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 01:56:29 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Ken Butler on MTV...Every five minutes! tricky88@earthlink.net wrote: > While I was at my parents' house for Christmas I watched quite a bit of > MTV's new station M2. > In between videos they play short films as MTV always has, but they also > played these musical interludes with very Harry Partch-esque looking > instruments; [snip] > the Ken Butler CD on Tzadik, and I am fairly sure that it his him. > Anyone know how this guy ended up doing these films for MTV? There are more than a few cool people at MTV, mostly behind the scenes, and it was a lot of these music heads who really pushed for the M2 network and helped shape its format. One guy in particular, the main story editor for MTV News, is a colossal Masada/Radical Jewish Culture fan who I would see at the Knit regularly, and if you go to the Knit at all it's hard to miss those incredible Butler creations. That strikes me as a most likely scenario. You're right, it would be very nice if Butler was identified. Sorry to hear about your job. Hope things work to your benefit ASAP. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com (beginning his first new job since the Knit next Monday...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 02:07:53 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Pueblo Geoff S Gersh wrote: > When did the premier of Zorn's Pueblo take place?? Assuming it was truly the world premiere I attended (it was billed as such) it was February 18, 1995 at the Cooler in New York City, on a double bill with Marc Ribot's trio. > What was the instrumentation?? If you saw my earlier Cooler-related post you'll know I was not in the same room as the performers and couldn't see very well, but if I remember correctly it was Marc Ribot, guitar, Chris Wood, bass, Joey Baron, drums, Cyro Baptista, percussion, and Anthony Coleman, keyboard. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com (and yes I *am* enough of a wonk to have kept a list of every goddamn show I've ever attended... Patrice has *his* idiosyncrasies, I have *mine*...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:13:17 EST From: MrBungL26 Subject: zorn / patton / cobra shows in SF the shows are in SF at the end of the month - can anyone help me out and tell me who is in cobra? i remember reading that trey spruance of the almighty bungle was involved with cobra - was this as a fill in for a live show, or can we expect an appearance? thanks in advance jeff - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:15:09 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: zorn / patton / cobra shows in SF > the shows are in SF at the end of the month - can anyone help me out and tell > me who is in cobra? i remember reading that trey spruance of the almighty > bungle was involved with cobra - was this as a fill in for a live show, or can > we expect an appearance? hmm, cobra isn't a particular group of people. it includes anyone who happens to be available it seems. when bungle came to australia for example, they did a little cobra performance on the side. but cobra shows have included a wide range of musicians from yes, trey spruance to arto lindsay to ikue mori even to jeff buckley. so, watch out, you may even find a guest appearance from hanson. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:04:47 -0600 From: jihad7@juno.com (Nathan M Earixson) Subject: Re: Tom Waits On Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:55:06 -0700 Jason Tors writes: >Suggestions for select material by Tom Waits would be much >appreciated. >Thanks, >Happy New Year! >J. Well, that depends on what you like. He gets weirder as he gets older. You can get a good sampling of his earlier stuff on the CD's aptly tilted: 'The Early Years' Volumes 1 and 2, I believe. It's mostly Tom playing piano or guitar, and singing. No other musicians. Brilliant stuff, says I. The later material has already been mentioned on the list. Also, see 'Down By Law' to see Tom Waits and John Lurie do some acting. ********************************************************** They broke up AT&T... why can't we break up God? ********************************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 20:04:26 +0000 From: Scott Russell Subject: Discs of the year... - --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just for the seasonal hell of it, anybody care to engage in a spot of light hearted discs of the year listings? Here's mine to start off with. In no particular order. Various artists, Great Jewish Music, Serge Gainsbourg. Uri Caine/Gustav Mahler: Urlicht (forget full title). Ken Butler, Voices of Anxious objects. To Rococo Rot, Veiculo. Jim O'Rourke, Bad Timing. Dave Douglas, Sanctuary. Samurai Celestial, Cosmic Gold Millenium. Various, Great Jewish Music, Burt Bacharach. David Grubbs, Banana Cabbage etc Heiner Goebbels/Ensemble Modern, Black on White. Scott Russell - --MimeMultipartBoundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:27:25 PST From: "Ted Reichman" Subject: alt.coffee 1-2/98 music sched > >music at alt.coffee > >January-February 1998 > >1/5 Moran/Speed/Noriega >Matt Moran-vibraphone, Oscar Noriega-bass clarinet, Chris Speed-clarinet >playing compositions of Anton Webern & Matt Moran > >1/12 John Hollenbeck & Theo Bleckmann >plus secret surprise guest > >1/19 Ben Monder Trio >Ben Monder-electric guitar, Skuli Sverrisson-electric bass, Kenny >Wollesen-drums > >1/26 Anthony Coleman le Trio Oblomov >Michael Attias-saxes, Anthony Coleman-organ, Chris Lightcap-bass > >2/2 The Mellow Edwards >Curtis Hasselbring- trombone & compositions, Matt Moran-vibes, Oscar >Noriega-winds, Stomu Takeishi-bass, Cuong Vu-trumpet > >2/9 John Hollenbeck's Claudia Quintet >Drew Gress-bass, John Hollenbeck-percussion, Matt Moran-vibes, Ted >Reichman-accordion, Chris Speed-clarinet & tenor sax > >2/16 Peshko >Adam Good-guitar, etc., Matt Moran-vibes, percussion >Balkan folk music > >2/23 Cuong Vu >Jim Black-drums, Curtis Hasselbring-trombone, Chris Speed-clarinet & >tenor sax, Stomu Takeishi-electric bass, Cuong Vu-trumpet & compositions > >celebrating one year of Monday night performances > >all shows are two sets starting at 9:00 pm > >free admission > >139 Avenue A (between St. Mark's & 9th St.) >Manhattan > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:33:54 -0500 From: Peter Latartara <102474.2365@compuserve.com> Subject: John Zorn List V2 #144 Please stop sending me Zorn-List!!!!! Please take me off!!! the mailing list!!!!! thank you - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:33:47 -0500 From: Peter Latartara <102474.2365@compuserve.com> Subject: John Zorn List V2 #144 Please stop sending me Zorn-List!!!!! Please take me off!!! the mailing list!!!!! thank you - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:47:23 PST From: "Silent Watcher" Subject: Art Bears My friend lent me a copy of the Art Bears album _Winter Songs_ a while back, after he picked it up at a record sale. I finally got around to listening to it today, and have to admit that I don't really know what I think of it! Some of it I really liked, and some I didn't, though it was mostly the vocals that bothered me. I was curious as to other people's opinions of this album, as well as if this is the only album they have out. If not, how do any others compare? Thanks in advance. SW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:24:02 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Art Bears >>>>> "Silent" == Silent Watcher writes: Silent> My friend lent me a copy of the Art Bears album _Winter Silent> Songs_ a while back, after he picked it up at a record Silent> sale. I finally got around to listening to it today, and Silent> have to admit that I don't really know what I think of it! Silent> Some of it I really liked, and some I didn't, though it Silent> was mostly the vocals that bothered me. I was curious as Silent> to other people's opinions of this album, as well as if Silent> this is the only album they have out. If not, how do any Silent> others compare? Thanks in advance. Perhaps your first exposure to Dagmar? Her voice does take a little getting used to, although I find her very expressive and unique (admittedly after 15 years of exposure). There were three Art Bears albums between 1978 and 1981, of which Winter Songs was the middle one. The first album was originally a Henry Cow album, but when the group as a whole couldn't agree on the contents, Dagmar, Frith, and Cutler released it as a separate group. Although it's been a while since I listened to any Art Bears, the players and intent were similar on all three. Winter Songs I remember as being their most austere. For me, Dagmar's vocal stylings started out pretty much in the chanteuse vein with the first Slapp Happy records and got fairly strident with Henry Cow and Art Bears. More recently she has become more mellow again. Domestic Stories, a 1992 release with Dagmar, Cutler, Lutz Glandien and guests, is one of my favorite of all ReR releases. Discographical details are available at the excellent ReR and related site http://www.panix.com/userdirs/zampino/ReR/index.html. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:43:56 +0000 From: Jeff Schwartz Subject: Stomu Takeishi What do folks know about this cat? I was listening to Henry Threadgill's Where's Your Cup? and he completely amazed me. One of the most original electric bass concepts I've heard in a long time-great tone and lots of interesting ideas (not to mention amazing skills-soloing in octaves on a fretless !?!?!). The only other recording I have with him is the first Paul Motian Electric Bebop Band CD, which is cool, but not AMAZING, like the Threadgill. So, where'd this cat come from, what else has he recorded, etc.? - -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:19:58 -0600 From: dmcrump@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu (Rusty Crump) Subject: Re: alt.coffee 1-2/98 music sched >> >>music at alt.coffee (snip) >>2/23 Cuong Vu >>Jim Black-drums, Curtis Hasselbring-trombone, Chris Speed-clarinet & >>tenor sax, Stomu Takeishi-electric bass, Cuong Vu-trumpet & >compositions >> I've seen Jim Black's name several times in the last couple of weeks' postings, and was wondering: is this the same Jimmy Carl Black, "Hi, I'm Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the Indian of the group," who played drums in Zappa's original Mothers? I seem to recall that JCB played with Eugene Chadbourne once upon a time, so the avant-garde lineage is there, but JCB's drumming for Zappa seemed anything but avant-garde. Grazie, Rusty Crump Oxford, MS (where the once-beloved music scene is dying as fast as it can) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 01:25:27 -0500 From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Art Bears Silent Watcher wrote: > > My friend lent me a copy of the Art Bears album _Winter Songs_ a while > back, after he picked it up at a record sale. I finally got around to > listening to it today, and have to admit that I don't really know what I > think of it! Not knowing what one thinks on a first listen, has allways been, to me, the sign of a really good record. > Some of it I really liked, and some I didn't, though it was > mostly the vocals that bothered me. Dagmar IS an acquired taste, but her singing in the Art Bears is not without precedent, think Kurt Weill, or German Cabaret singing of the early 1900's > I was curious as to other people's > opinions of this album, as well as if this is the only album they have > out. If not, how do any others compare? Thanks in advance. Of their 3LP's, the 2nd, Winter Songs may be the hardest for a first time listener. The first; Hopes & Fears is a bit more tuneful and more of a logical extension of Henry Cow. Their 3rd; "The World as it is Today" is my favorite. IMO the finest example of agit-prop music ever committed to vinyl. Loud, angry, and drawing on a variety of musical styles. Lyrically, A marxist manifesto aimed directly at the face of the Reagan & Thatcher administrations. This was originally pressed on Audiophile vinyl and mastered at 45rpm, and is one of the most starkly gorgeous recordings, strictly from a sonic point-of-view, you'll ever hear Rich - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:11:23 EST From: Dgasque Subject: Re: Art Bears In a message dated 98-01-02 15:54:04 EST, you write: << My friend lent me a copy of the Art Bears album _Winter Songs_ a while back, after he picked it up at a record sale. I finally got around to listening to it today, and have to admit that I don't really know what I think of it! Some of it I really liked, and some I didn't, though it was mostly the vocals that bothered me. I was curious as to other people's opinions of this album, as well as if this is the only album they have out. If not, how do any others compare? Thanks in advance. >> Aha...Dagmar didn't quite do it for you, eh? Fab Fred Frith certainly knew how to add the "edge" to the Art Bears, as if his guitar playing didn't do it enough, and I don't know if he could have picked a better weapon than Dagmar's vocals. If there was ever a band better suited to break up a party at 2AM, the Art Bears come most reccomended. And that's a good thing- really. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #200 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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