From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #226 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, February 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 226 In this issue: - vinyl Re: Absinthe Re: x-tzadik revue masada song titles Re: Absinthe Re: Absinthe Re: Absinthe Scorn (Was Re: Absinthe) Eraserhead soundtrack Dark Ambient was (Re: Absinthe) vinyl zorn Zorn in Downbeat Re: Absinthe BANG A RECORDING INSPIRED BY ZORN AND LAWSWELL. Re: BANG A RECORDING INSPIRED BY ZORN AND LAWSWELL. Dave in Jazz Times and Jazziz [Re: Zorn in Downbeat] Re: Delerue S/Ts (was: CD Questions) Re: Jack Smith Funny Games Re: Funny Games Re: Funny Games Re: Funny Games ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 08:35:02 -0500 From: Bob Kowalski Subject: vinyl Tim wrote : "Does anyone out there know wheter Zorn is still putting things out on vinyl (I still swear by vinyl !!!)..." I purchased a few years back Torture Garden on lp (still sealed for a bargain $6.) Always see Spy vs. Spy and other titles from the Nonesuch days on lp...but haven't seen not a one Tzadik in anything but CD. - -=Bob=- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:40:49 -0500 (EST) From: ia zha nah er vesen Subject: Re: Absinthe > I've never tried Absinthe myself but it is said to seriously distort your > sensory perception of the things around you. I'm glad someone mentioned the > "Eraserhead" soundtrack on this list. That must be one of the most effective > soundtracks ever. It adds enormously to the atmosphere of total disorientedness > and isolation that the movie pervades. Does anyone know whether the soundtrack > is available on CD? Yes. I have a copy. It's on I.R.S. records. CD 70027. It isn't the whole movie on CD, but two 20 minute sections, including the lady in the radiator song, some of the Fats Waller stuff, and a whole lotta noise. - -jascha - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:45:53 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: x-tzadik revue >>>>> "Scott" == Scott Handley writes: Scott> 5. Li Chin Sung PAST (Tzad) This opens with grandpa sawing wood, literally. I still find myself taken aback by this, it's such an unmusical, untreated noise that doesn't belong coming out of my speakers. But it does get musical, at least in the sense of a bunch of interesting and not readily identifiable sounds. Mostly shorter electroacoustic pieces. Scott> 8. Fred Frith Anything other than the duos w/H. Kaiser Frith has a large discography, check out www.fredfrith.com for more complete info. His work ranges from slightly off kilter pop (the original Ralph releases, Gravity, Sleepless, and Cheap at Half the Price); works for dance (Top of his head, Technology of Tears), free improv (typically with other people, including Chris Cutler, Derek Bailey, Zorn). Early and essential work for me includes the Henry Cow/Art Bears albums (all of them) as well as Massacre with Bill Laswell and Fred Maher, a defining power trio for the early downtown scene. Scott> 10.Ikue Mori Anything, on any label (never heard her: I'm Scott> nervous about her but so many people I respect love her; I Scott> just need an opinion and a description, where possible) Frith, Mori, and Kato Hideki have an interesting disk Death Ambient, one of those where you wonder who's playing what. I'm stunned that the same instruments created this as most garage rock trios (guitar, bass, drums). She also has an album with two guitarists, Quine and Ribot, Painted Desert, which I found slightly disappointing as a whole, although it certainly has its moments. Often the combination of just guitar & drum machine seemed a little dry, and I think I remember reading (perhaps on this list?) that she wasn't entirely pleased with the results. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 17:02:30 +0000 From: david thiel Subject: masada song titles I am wondering if anyone can tell me English translations for Masada song titles? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 01:39:11 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Absinthe Julian wrote: > I know this has probably been done many times before, but can someone > describe Absinthe for me? It tastes kinda like licorice, which I don't like, and it's supposed to be deadly as well, so I tend to avoid it. It's got a nice little burn to it, but so do other things that take a lot longer to kill you. Honestly, I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Oh, you meant the Zorn record? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com (in a jocular mood after reading the Zorn vs. Miles thread -- raise your hand if you suspect Miles never even heard of Zorn...) > > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 17:45:05 -0600 From: "Marc A. Foster" Subject: Re: Absinthe Dark ambient music and sounds. It's very peripheral, sort of puts you in a disconnected, distorted haze. Lots of weird, droning chords, occasional huge bass, and Baron doing very non-Baron but still excellent percussion. There's very little, if any, of the typical ensemble feeling you usually get from Naked City. I can't find the words to describe it, but I recommend it without reservation (well, unless you're depression-prone). Here's a list of stuff that seems to come from the same general place, to me. If you're familiar with these, it might help you decide or it might give you some direction in finding similar stuff if you like Absinthe: Laswell/ Harris- Somnific Flux Peter Scherer- Cronologia Mori/ Kato/ Frith- Death Ambient Painkiller- ambient stuff on Burial Ground Bill Frisell- "The Lone Ranger" on Before We Were Born sort of, but really different, too: John Zorn- Elegy If anyone knows of anything that fits in with what I've listed, I'd love to hear about it. This is my favorite stuff and the list above is pretty much all I have. Am I looking for Scorn and just don't know it yet? I haven't heard them. maf Julian wrote: > I know this has probably been done many times before, but can someone > describe Absinthe for me? > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 21:07:17 -0800 From: frenesi Subject: Re: Absinthe Marc A. Foster wrote: > > Dark ambient music and sounds. It's very peripheral, sort of puts you in > a disconnected, distorted haze. Lots of weird, droning chords, occasional > huge bass, and Baron doing very non-Baron but still excellent percussion. > There's very little, if any, of the typical ensemble feeling you usually > get from Naked City. I can't find the words to describe it, but I > recommend it without reservation (well, unless you're depression-prone). > Here's a list of stuff that seems to come from the same general place, to > me. If you're familiar with these, it might help you decide or it might > give you some direction in finding similar stuff if you like Absinthe: > > Laswell/ Harris- Somnific Flux > Peter Scherer- Cronologia > Mori/ Kato/ Frith- Death Ambient > Painkiller- ambient stuff on Burial Ground > Bill Frisell- "The Lone Ranger" on Before We Were Born > sort of, but really different, too: John Zorn- Elegy > > If anyone knows of anything that fits in with what I've listed, I'd love > to hear about it. This is my favorite stuff and the list above is pretty > much all I have. Am I looking for Scorn and just don't know it yet? I > haven't heard them. > > maf > If you like Somnific Flux you'll love Scorn especially later Scorn such as Ellipsis and Gyral...Laswell and Harris have put out a large catalogue of such music under various incarnations... - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:16:39 PST From: "Silent Watcher" Subject: Scorn (Was Re: Absinthe) Am I looking for Scorn and just don't know it yet? I >> haven't heard them. >> >> maf >> >If you like Somnific Flux you'll love Scorn especially later Scorn such >as Ellipsis and Gyral...Laswell and Harris have put out a large >catalogue of such music under various incarnations... > I don't necessarily agree with that, although I do love Somnific Flux, and the later Scorn releases. Somnific Flux is a dark ambient album, whereas Scorn has been very beat oriented, though still dark in some respects, since Gyral. SW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 22:59:31 -0800 From: Jason Edward Kocol Subject: Eraserhead soundtrack > Does anyone know whether the soundtrack > is available on CD? > > Frankco. Yes it is. - -Jason http://users.lanminds.com/~suburban - The s u b u r b a n Homepage http://members.tripod.com/~misterlazy - The Music of Mister Lazy - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:16:53 -0500 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: Dark Ambient was (Re: Absinthe) Marc A. Foster wrote: [Re: Absinthe] >Here's a list of stuff that seems to come from the same general place, to >me. If you're familiar with these, it might help you decide or it might >give you some direction in finding similar stuff if you like Absinthe: >Laswell/ Harris- Somnific Flux >Peter Scherer- Cronologia >Mori/ Kato/ Frith- Death Ambient >Painkiller- ambient stuff on Burial Ground >Bill Frisell- "The Lone Ranger" on Before We Were Born >sort of, but really different, too: John Zorn- Elegy >If anyone knows of anything that fits in with what I've listed, I'd love >to hear about it. This is my favorite stuff and the list above is pretty >much all I have. For some excellent dark, droning, often speaker-abusing ambient along the lines of the Laswell/Harris disc, the Painkiller material etc. check out any of the following: Lull (Mick Harris' solo incarnation): Dreamt About Dreaming (Sentrax/Rawkus) Journey Through Underworlds (Sentrax/Rawkus) Cold Summer (Sentrax/Subharmonic/Rawkus) Continue (Release) Way Through Staring LP (Manifold) Moments (Release - April '98) Harris/Bates - "Murder Ballads (Drift)" (MMM) Harris/Bates - "Murder Ballads (Passages)" (MMM) Harris/Plotkin - "Collapse" (Asphodel/Sombient) Null/Plotkin - "Aurora" (Sentrax/Rawkus) Thomas Koner - all 4 CDs on Barooni, "Nuuk" in the Driftworks box (Big Cat) Roland Kayn - "Tektra" 4CD (Barooni) plus his other LP sets and CDs. Alan Lamb - "Primal Image" (Drorobo) V/A - "Night Passage Demixed" (Ikeda/Koner/Lustmord/Gunter remix Mr. Lamb) Controlled Bleeding - "The Poisoner" (Soleilmoon) Lustmord: Heresy (Soleilmoon) The Place Where The Black Stars Hang (Side Effects) Paradise Disowned (Side Effects) The Monstrous Soul (Side Effects) Stalker (w/ Robert Rich) (Fathom) Final (Justin Broadrick): One (Sentrax/Subharmonic/Rawkus) Two (Sentrax/Rawkus) Solaris (Alleysweeper) The First Millionth Of A Second (Manifold) Francisco Lopez: Untitled Music for Geography (label ??) Belle Confusion 966 (Trente Oiseaux) Azoic Zone (Asellus/Geometrik) Untitled 74 (Table Of The Elements) etc. ... Some others ... Laswell/Inoue, Laswell/Sharp (2nd track), Death Cube K, Tactile, Bernhard Gunter, Yen Pox, Caul, Maeror Tri, Inade, Robert Rich, Zoviet France, Seed Mouth, Mandible Chatter, Jliat etc. My apologies for the lack of JZ related info ... - -Patrick - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:34:13 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: vinyl zorn I actually just picked up a very mint condition vinyl copy of 'The Big Gundown' which I may be interested in selling... -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 13:11:56 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Zorn in Downbeat There is quite a bit of Zorny stuff in the latest Downbeat (March '98). There is a review of Zorn/Previte's 'Euclid's Nightmare', there are two gripes over the recent Bacharach tribute shows (one submitted by Erik Friedlander), and there are articles on Cuong Vu and Mat Maneri and some other stuff. Pretty good issue... -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:57:36 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Absinthe On Sat, 7 Feb 1998, Marc A. Foster wrote: > Laswell/ Harris- Somnific Flux > Peter Scherer- Cronologia > Mori/ Kato/ Frith- Death Ambient > Painkiller- ambient stuff on Burial Ground > Bill Frisell- "The Lone Ranger" on Before We Were Born > sort of, but really different, too: John Zorn- Elegy The second Divination album _Dead Slow_ is pretty close in feel to _Somnific Flux_ and the ambient Painkiller mixes, although it's a bit more beat-driven (less so than what I've heard of Scorn). Not so coincidentally, it also features Laswell and Harris. Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:16:18 +0000 From: david thiel Subject: BANG A RECORDING INSPIRED BY ZORN AND LAWSWELL. I recorded a CD of Dark Ambient collage music. If anyone is interested I would send a copy of CD to you if you help me out with postage and handling. I Would like people to listen to it (I have a lot of copies left). Here is a review about the CD from a local paper - It's hard to know where to begin. This a CD that I was expecting to be a little too much for me to handle.Sometimes the term " experimental noise" tends to intimidate me (as does the term "dried fruit"). BANG is brillant. Not unlike SUN RA, Thiel is the conductor of his own universe. BANG takes noise beyond the ear asnd turns it into a dripping three-dmensional crayola hallucination. That is only the beginning. It leaves you with a distinct aftertaste of every emotion, every feeling is completely discernible to the bone.leaving the listener to slide and wade though innocence, fear, guilt, extension, rejection, affection, enlightenment, joy and sorrow as it mixes itself with ecstasy.----- The review continues but I think you get the idea. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:35:20 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: BANG A RECORDING INSPIRED BY ZORN AND LAWSWELL. david thiel wrote: > > I recorded a CD of Dark Ambient collage music. If anyone is interested I > would send a copy of CD to you if you help me out with postage and > handling. I Would like people to listen to it (I have a lot of copies > left). A snailmail address would help! - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 00:22:09 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Dave in Jazz Times and Jazziz [Re: Zorn in Downbeat] Tom Pratt wrote: > There is quite a bit of Zorny stuff in the latest Downbeat (March '98). The March Jazz Times has a fine Dave Douglas article that's worth perusing. And some time in the coming week you'll be seeing the March Jazziz with Dave on the cover and a review of, among other things, Tim Berne's Paraphrase disc. Speaking of Berne press (unsolicited plug alert!), you can see quite a lot of it on the "Press" page of the Screwgun website, including the first interview I've seen with Jim Black (and it's a nice one): http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ssmith36/mainpage.htm Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:05:25 PST From: "John Q Citizen" Subject: Re: Delerue S/Ts (was: CD Questions) >From: "Julian" >Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:05:18 +1100 > >2. Has anyone heard the new "greatest film music" set of Georges Delerue? >Just wondering what films it's got on it, and whether it'd be worth picking >up... Speaking of Delerue, does anyone know where I could get his >soundtrack to "Contempt"? > I've seen a disc (on Varese Sarabande?) of Delerue's music for films by Francois Truffaut, but didn't know about "greatest film music". As for "Contempt"; I'd likewise be real happy to get any details of a disc re-issue... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:35:51 PST From: "John Q Citizen" Subject: Re: Jack Smith (Jack Smith gets a dedication on one of the NC Discs; either Heretic or Grand Guignol, I fergit (and no relation to fellow dedicatee Harry)) I read on the W/E that a film of Jack Smith's, "I was a male Yvonne Decarlo", will be screening at this year's Berlin Film Festival (right about now, if any Deutsch listers are interested). And I was thinking; after my posting about Les Baxter and Sun Ra, that there's a sentimental reason why Zorn might've honoured the Baxter complication in his year's best list. Jack Smith, a friend to the youthful Zorn, apparently played Baxter recs as his music-of-choice in the Arabian Nights -themed surrounds of his apartment. I caught Jack Smith's "Flaming Creatures" a few years back; a wonderful and corrosive thing; great proto found-sound/cut-up score using some really snappy Tango 78s. And Smith shared the soundtrack credit with ! Tony Conrad!! Now a friend tells me Conrad will be releasing two discs of Jack Smith's work before very long - soundtracks, readings, etc. I'm looking forward! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:23:24 +0100 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Funny Games A review of the 1997 movie "Funny Games" by Austrian Director Michael Haneke mentions the usage of "some very scary music by John Zorn". More information? Is this unreleased music ? YVes - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:51:13 -0700 From: ­Û¦P¾Ç Subject: Re: Funny Games At 10:23 AM 2/9/98 +0100, Yves Dewulf wrote: > >A review of the 1997 movie "Funny Games" by Austrian Director Michael Haneke >mentions the usage of "some very scary music by John Zorn". >More information? Is this unreleased music ? That song is "Bonehead" from Naked City's 'Torture Garden'. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:52:47 -0700 From: ­Û¦P¾Ç Subject: Re: Funny Games At 10:23 AM 2/9/98 +0100, Yves Dewulf wrote: >A review of the 1997 movie "Funny Games" by Austrian Director Michael Haneke >mentions the usage of "some very scary music by John Zorn". >More information? Is this unreleased music ? That song is "Bonehead" from Naked City's 'Torture Garden'. shihlun - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:03:36 +0100 (MEZ) From: BJOERN Subject: Re: Funny Games On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Yves Dewulf wrote: > > A review of the 1997 movie "Funny Games" by Austrian Director Michael Haneke > mentions the usage of "some very scary music by John Zorn". > More information? Is this unreleased music ? nope...this was two tracks from Torture Garden...guess one of them was Hammerhead (not too sure) BJOERN - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #226 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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