From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #264 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, March 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 264 In this issue: - Re: Ground Zero Zorn/Patton/Spruance CD Re: Ground Zero Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #263 Re: Ground Zero Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh Re: Joe Morris RE: Pachora in Pittsburgh Reissues question Re: Zorn/Patton/Spruance CD A Question For All You Music Scholars Out There Albert Ayler Re: Albert Ayler (Painkiller/Morphine section) Albert Ayler NAKED LUNCH Kaiser either/orchestra Re: concrete jazz praxis NAKED LUNCH praxis Re: NAKED LUNCH JOHN ZORN: DURAS: DUCHAMP Re: JOHN ZORN: DURAS: DUCHAMP Third Rail for Sale Re: praxis Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh Belew On Skins Re: praxis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:33:00 -0800 From: "Keith McMullen" Subject: Re: Ground Zero >Oddly enough, I was browsing a website I was referred to from another >mailing list (King Crimson), Speaking of which, I'm going to see Projekt Two tonight...Fripp, Belew, Gunn trio... Will I regret it? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 18:37:00 PST From: Matt Walsh Subject: Zorn/Patton/Spruance CD I just noticed this CD listed at Music Boulevard, and I don't think I've seen any mention of it on this list, does anyone have any info on this CD? It sounds very intriquing, but the price ($28) is scaring me away... John Zorn / Mike Patton / Trey Sprunace "Weird Little Boy" Hatar , Released 02/27/98 IMPORT - JAPAN Please let me know. Thanks. Later, Matthew Walsh Software Engineer - Strategic Management Group mattw@smginc.com mattmonkw@aol.com Matt's personal CD jukebox - Currently playing and annoying co-workers with: Victor Wooten - "What Did He Say?" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:07:09 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Ground Zero >>>>> "Matt" == Matt Walsh writes: Matt> By the way, I have a Ground Zero 7" called "Revolutionary Matt> Pekinese Opera", is this the exact same as the CD?, or part Matt> of it?, or something different completely? Please e-mail Matt> directly unless you think it's worthwhile for the whole list Matt> to see it. According to the discography at http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/yotomo/yotomo.html, the 7" is version 1.50, and the ReR CD is 1.28. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:58:04 -0500 From: "Jason J. Tar" Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #263 >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 16:23:00 PST >From: Matt Walsh >Subject: RE: Ground Zero > >By the way, I have a Ground Zero 7" called "Revolutionary Pekinese >Opera", is this the exact same as the CD?, or part of it?, or something >different completely? Please e-mail directly unless you think it's >worthwhile for the whole list to see it. Thought someone else may care, so replied to all. The 7" is very different from the CD. The A-side is somewhat a new track, while the B-Side is a live track. It was available from Gentle Giant records, but last I heard they were down to less than 10 copies left. btw--TV Pow and Otomo Yoshihide should be touring some parts of the midwest US in early May. I know a May 12th date is set for Cleveland, but not sure of other dates yet. JJTar - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:22:52 -0800 (PST) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Ground Zero On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Keith McMullen wrote: > Speaking of which, I'm going to see Projekt Two tonight...Fripp, Belew, Gunn > trio... i thought it was Fripp/Bruford/Gunn? looking forward to seeing this 22 March at the Great American in SF. > Will I regret it? is this a rhetorical question? hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:45:09 -0500 (EST) From: edechena@thomas.butler.edu (Dechenaux Emmanuel) Subject: Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh Can anybody give the address of a web site where I could register for a King Crimson mailing list ? Thanx M_base - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:53:51 +0100 From: Nils Jacobson Subject: Re: Joe Morris Caleb T. Deupree writes: > Are we thinking of the same Joe Morris? I've got three CDs and some > vinyl of the Joe Morris Trio, none of which have a beat of any kind, > much less the funky stuff I associate with Blood. First, I don't think you've been listening very closely. Joe is always playing with a beat. His stuff swings. The beat is understated, buried, but it's always there. Listen to it closely. Subtlety in the rhythm department. Now if you want a strong thump on the one and three, perhaps that's not the place to look. Joe has a power trio funk album called Sweatshop out since 1990 which is available from Cadence, as well as something new coming out shortly (don't remember the label and title right off) with a sextet, more along the lines of polyphonics and texture. Really gotta check this guy out. - -Nils - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:44:10 -0600 From: Glenn Astarita Subject: RE: Pachora in Pittsburgh - -----Original Message----- From: Dechenaux Emmanuel [SMTP:edechena@thomas.butler.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 6:45 PM To: Christopher Hamilton Cc: zorn-list@xmission.com Subject: Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh Can anybody give the address of a web site where I could register for a King Crimson mailing list ? Thanx M_base [Glenn Astarita] =20 Its called Elephant Talk.....do a search on the web and you'll find the = website and details. I subscribe but don't have the info at = hand...beware ! The list is overpopulated ! If you have lots of time to = burn than go for it ! I've been meaning to "unsub" for quite = sometime...... ga - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:10:07 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Gretz Subject: Reissues question i'm recently going on a major zorn kick and am going to finally buy all the zorn albums i've been putting off buying for years. one question though. I've been seeing a lot of albums come out on Tzadik that i never thought would come out on that label (Black Box, Painkiller, Filmworks) does anyone know if there are any plans of releasing the following (even if in box set form) The big gundown cobra spillane spy vs. spy Live at the Knitting factory: John Zorn's Cobra john zorn's cobra: Tokyo Operations '94 Naked city Grand Guignol Absinthe Heretic Radio the masada catalog let me know i don't want to but them import if i'm gonna have to sell them for the Tzadik reissues, which i think are great and in every case much better in sound and packaging. jeff - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:12:41 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Zorn/Patton/Spruance CD > I just noticed this CD listed at Music Boulevard, and I don't think I've > seen any mention of it on this list, does anyone have any info on this > CD? It sounds very intriquing, but the price ($28) is scaring me away... > > John Zorn / Mike Patton / Trey Sprunace > "Weird Little Boy" > Hatar , Released 02/27/98 > IMPORT - JAPAN I read that it was a noisy improvisation type thing, which is understandable since that is what these guys have been doing together lately. But the site where I read that could've been wrong. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:23:37 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: A Question For All You Music Scholars Out There simply for my own interest: Does anyone know of any concertos (from any musical period) with 4 movements rather than the usual 3? The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Brahms' 2nd piano concerto. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:51:14 From: "Doug McKay" Subject: Albert Ayler Albert Ayler has 31 albums! Only 7 of which are on ESP. I've got "Spiritual Unity" ('64) and "New York Eye and Ear Control" ('64). The other ESP albums are "Vibrations" ('64), "Spirits Rejoice" ('65), "Bells: At Town Hall" (65), "At Slugs Saloon, vols. 1&2" ('66). Here's my question. Are these ESP albums I don't have some of his best, or can I bypass some to afford some of his others? Although completeness is appealing there's just too many here, so I have to be selective. I found a discography on www.thenewage.com, which is why I'm not going to include it here. I sure do like Ayler. New purchase: "At the Golden Circle, vols 1&2" - Ornette Coleman. Total price - $5.22 when choosing as BMG freebies. I lent Zorn's first "Naked City", first "Film Music" and Painkiller's "Execution Ground" to someone who was playing Morphine (who I hadn't heard before but made me think this guy might like Zorn). His initial reaction was Painkiller over the others. Doug McKay In Minnesota - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:40:04 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Albert Ayler (Painkiller/Morphine section) > I lent Zorn's first "Naked City", first "Film Music" and Painkiller's > "Execution Ground" to someone who was playing Morphine (who I hadn't heard > before but made me think this guy might like Zorn). His initial reaction > was Painkiller over the others. It's a similar instrumentation i think. I personally find Morphine pretty boring though. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:35:20 From: "Doug McKay" Subject: Albert Ayler I missed "Prophecy" ('64) as another ESP album. Doug McKay In Minnesota - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 10:10:46 -0300 From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: NAKED LUNCH Hello Folks! I'm a brand new member in this list and I'd like to know if anybody ever listened to: NAKED LUNCH:William S. Burroughs Music by Bill Frisell, Wayne Horvitz and Eyvind Kang 1995- Warner (USA), 2-522206 (3xCD) This is the info I have -according to web-, but I couldn't get the CD in any store in my country. Does it really exist? If so, what about it? Please Help! Hugo, from Argentina - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:22:40 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Kaiser I know that some of you out there have the (Y)earbooks. Can someone explain to me what Henry Kaiser is doing on the first track to get those weird and wonderful sounds? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:11:09 -0500 From: Alan E Kayser Subject: either/orchestra - --------------8B626DB846F0BFA56EF3CBFE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pardon the non-Zorn related posting. Either/Orchestra will be performing here in Philadelphia on April 3 at 8pm. It will be held at the Unitarian Church on Chestnut St between 21st and 22nd. For more information contact aek1@erols.com or stop in at Classical Choice, 21st and Walnut. Ask for Alan. For those of you who don't know, this is one terrific ten man lineup. Should be lots of fun. And thanks to all of you who attended our first concert, Pachora. - --------------8B626DB846F0BFA56EF3CBFE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pardon the non-Zorn related posting.  Either/Orchestra will be performing here in Philadelphia on April 3 at 8pm.  It will be held at the Unitarian Church on Chestnut St between 21st and 22nd.  For more information contact aek1@erols.com or stop in at Classical Choice, 21st and Walnut.  Ask for Alan.  For those of you who don't know, this is one terrific ten man lineup.  Should be lots of fun.  And thanks to all of you who attended our first concert, Pachora. - --------------8B626DB846F0BFA56EF3CBFE-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:16:26 EST From: Tag Yr It Subject: Re: concrete jazz If anyone's interested in this, I have a copy available: J1816/LP/Hubbard, Freddie/Sing Me A Song of Songmy/Ex+(saw mark)/Ex+(minor wol)/Atlantic SD 1576/$8.00 Thanks..... Dale. Little Nighttown Music - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:07:33 -0700 From: Jason Tors Subject: praxis I realize that this discussion has already taken place, but I am interested in some suggestions for future Praxis recordings. I picked up Sacrifist about three weeks ago. It really hit me today how good it is. I have been told that Sacrifist is not one of the greatest Praxis albums, in which case, could someone suggest the absolute greatest Praxis album. Privately if it is too redundant for the list. That cut called The Hook blows me away. JT - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 12:15:58 -0300 From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: NAKED LUNCH Jay, Don't worry; any info I could get, I'll let you know. Anyway, what I do really need is information; the stores I've asked for (in Argentina) gave me no answer. Maybe in your big country you could get any info of it. Hugo, from Argentina - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:27:52 -0700 From: Jason Tors Subject: praxis Sorry did not mean "future" recordings, I meant other recordings that I could purchase in the future. JT - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:26:00 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: NAKED LUNCH >This is the info I have -according to web-, but I couldn't get the CD in >any store in my country. Does it really exist? If so, what about it? Yes, it exists, and it's a wonderful recording! The music is interludish and comes between larger sections of reading, and only overlaps Burroughs's voice in a few spots. If you enjoy listening to Burroughs read his own work, this is a MUST have. If you're a Frisell completist and don't like Burroughs at all, it might not be so urgent, since there isn't really a tremendous amount of music on it. It's nothing like Seven Souls - the music which comes between sections of reading is very spacey and far-out kinda stuff...some very very cool sounds. But it's not the kind of CD you'd play just to listen to the music (the musical sections are not on separate tracks from the readings). M | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | | | | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | UMD school of music | | | | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 14:56:13 -0300 From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: JOHN ZORN: DURAS: DUCHAMP Is there anybody out there who can give me any opinions/ suggestions about this CD? Should I buy it?: John Zorn: Duras: Duchamp Tzadik 7023 M. Feldman/ A. Coleman/ C. Bard/ C. Cummins/ J. Medeski/ J. Pugliese E. Friedlander Thanks, Hugo, from Argentina - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:47:50 -0500 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: JOHN ZORN: DURAS: DUCHAMP >>>>> "Hugo" == hulinare writes: Hugo> Is there anybody out there who can give me any opinions/ Hugo> suggestions about this CD? Should I buy it?: Hugo> John Zorn: Duras: Duchamp Tzadik 7023 M. Feldman/ Hugo> A. Coleman/ C. Bard/ C. Cummins/ J. Medeski/ J. Pugliese Hugo> E. Friedlander Two of JZ's more ambient pieces. Duras is very much like Redbird, I think it's even the same ensemble. If you liked Redbird, you'll like Duras. Duchamp is much stranger, but also for the most part very quiet. Unlike Redbird and Duras, there are occasional sudden louder, more noisy bursts, overall extremely minimal and enigmatic and not really comparable to anything else I've heard from JZ. A drawback for me is that the characteristics of the two pieces are very different. While my companion would probably like Duras, Duchamp would get on one of her last nerves, so I don't play this much at home. It's way too minimal to play in the car or at the office, so I end up not listening to it much. However, I do like the music quite a bit and would recommend it if you like JZ's quieter, more abstract material. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions are not necessarily shared by management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:09:02 -0500 (EST) From: William York Subject: Third Rail for Sale Anyone who wants to buy my copy of Third Rail- South Delta Space Age you can have it for 8 bucks, let me know. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:44:54 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: praxis On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Jason Tors wrote: > I have been > told that Sacrifist is not one of the greatest Praxis albums, in which > case, could someone suggest the absolute greatest Praxis album. My favorite is the original EP, recently reissued on Subharmonic (don't know about the sound quality on the reissue, given what I've heard about other reissues), but it sounds nothing like any of the others, being an experimental electrofunk record. I actually do think _Sacrifist_ is the best of the Buckethead-centered version of Praxis, because it has the most variety, but I may well be in the minority. _Transmutation (Mutatis Mutandis)_ (Axiom) is fun P-Funk-meets-shred-metal stuff, but a little wearing for me over the long haul. I'm really jazzed on the recent _Transmutation Live_ (Douglas) which has a more improvisational feel and, between DXT and the Invisibl Skratch Picklz, features a small army of turntablists. I'd avoid _Metatron_, featuring a stripped-down trio of Buckethead, Laswell, and Brain on a disappointingly straightforward hard rock set. Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:41:51 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Pachora in Pittsburgh Dechenaux Emmanuel wrote: > Can anybody give the address of a web site where I could register for a > King Crimson mailing list ? http://www.elephant-talk.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:41:28 -0800 From: "Keith McMullen" Subject: Belew On Skins >Dechenaux Emmanuel wrote: > >> Can anybody give the address of a web site where I could register for a >> King Crimson mailing list ? > >http://www.elephant-talk.com Why might Robert Fripp be able to stand playing in a trio with adrian belew on drums? In Projekt 2, Fripp and Gunn are stellar, but it is so hard to ignore Belew pounding sophomorically on the drums. help me somebody. keith - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:55:38 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: praxis Jason Tors wrote: > I have been > told that Sacrifist is not one of the greatest Praxis albums, in which > case, could someone suggest the absolute greatest Praxis album. Privately > if it is too redundant for the list. Nothing is too redundant for the List. The difficulty in assessing the relative value of Praxis albums is that none of them is in precisely the same style or genre as the others. So if you love the deep ass funk of "Transmutation," you might very well loath the spurting death metallic "Sacrafist." I, on the other hand, in general prefer thrash to funk and therefore "Sacrafist" is far and away my favorite Praxis disc. "Metatron" is not really either of the above, and struck me as flashy guitar heroics of a type I'm not moved by. I haven't heard the new live disc but I imagine that pairing Buckethead and Brain with the Invisible Skratch Picklz was probably not a bad thing... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #264 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date.