From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #302 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, April 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 302 In this issue: - Re: 6 disappointments 6 mail-order cut-outs Re: 20 best shows (well, make it 10) Re: Top 20 disappointments Re: Don Cab Victoriaville festival Re: Bargain Bins; Other Lists yet more 20 Re: Bargain Bins Re: Top 20 disappointments Re: Bargain Bins Top 10 Zorn CD's NYC Broadcast of THE ART OF REMEMBRANCE Re: Disappointment: Boredoms Super Roots 5 Top 20 Sainkho Ken Nordine Re: Victoriaville festival Re: Bargain Bins Top 10 for me... Re: Bargain Bins santa barbara noise festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:04:26 -0300 From: Lucio Subject: Re: 6 disappointments 6 By the way, John Hudson sucks Why? 1- He plays all the tracks in the same way the old guitarrists did (Dean Menta couldn't do that) 2- He co-wrote many of the new songs (Jim Martin couldn't do so) 3- He tours (Trey didn't) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 09:53:03 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: mail-order cut-outs Does anybody know of mail-order sources for cut-outs? There were a couple a few years ago but one seems to have gone out of business and I've lost the catalog for the other. - ------------------------------------------------------ Lang Thompson http://www.tcf.ua.edu/wlt4 New at Funhouse: Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan obituary. "No one ever listens to Zathras. Quite mad they say. It is good that Zathras does not mind. Has even grown to like it." -- Zathras - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:30:45 -0800 From: "Keith McMullen" Subject: Re: 20 best shows (well, make it 10) Codona at McCabes Don Cherry solo at McCabes Old and New Dreams at CalArts The Kool Jazz Festival in LA at various sites around town which in one week included: Art Ensemble of Chicago Lester Bowie (Great Pretender line-up) World Saxophone Quartet Anthony Braxton duo with Muhal Richard Abrams James Blood Ulmer Trio Laurie Anderson (United States Live) (!?) Roscoe Mitchell Ensemble Charlie Haden's Liberation Orchestra at CalArts John Carter Castles of Ghana Octet at Claremont Vinny Golia in all amnner of ensembles all over SoCalifornia - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:41:38 -0800 From: "Keith McMullen" Subject: Re: Top 20 disappointments >[Artur Nowak] Hmmm... I love Frisell's solo work, especially Nonesuch >records. Please explain: What did you heard before Frisell's solo albums, >that made your expectations higher, then his solo works? Naked City? What >is better, than albums published under his own name? Bill Frisell Band? > :-) I can't explain it. Character defect perhaps (mine). Perhaps seeing him live was what really killed the recordings for me. I saw him in Santa Monica on the BEFORE WE WERE BORN tour and it remains tied for first with the absolutely GREATEST performances I have ever heard. I'm a HUGE Frisell fan. I just don't like his own recordings. It doesn't make any sense. I've traded in every Frisell CD I've ever purchased. I do love him with Berne ('Theoretically' and 'Fulton St. Maul') and Zorn and Bryars and Motian and that clarinetist whose name I'm blocking right now.................... Just ignore me. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:04:49 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Hamilton Subject: Re: Don Cab On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Landon Thorpe wrote: > Some passages seem like they must be improvised, but the > group performance is so tight that I wonder if they are. Can anyone shed > any light on this? I suppose that Storm & Stress, DC guitarist Ian T. > Williams' other band, might stand as an answer. Their music sounds like the > result one would get when applying the ideas of free improv to an electric > guitar/electric bass/drums lineup. That is, if their songs weren't each > thoroughly composed. Kinda weird. I haven't heard much Don Cab, but my impression from talking with Ian is that their pre-S&S material was very tightly composed. S&S, as I understand it, use composed motivic cells, which the players are free to interpret at any tempo and repeat as often as they like. Kevin Shea, their original drummer, had been playing aroung Pittsburgh with free music groups for some time before S&S formed. Chris Hamilton - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:24:23 -0500 From: Dora Agiotis Subject: Victoriaville festival Is anyone going to the Victoriaville Festival in Montreal, Canada this May? John Zorn is playing a couple of shows, as well as Mike Patton, Ikue Mori and others. stubb - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 08:44:44 -0800 From: George Grella Subject: Re: Bargain Bins; Other Lists John McMahon writes: > What is fascinating (to me) is the way in which there is an overlap in > taste between/among those of us who are Zorn fans. Lots of Waits, > Beefheart, Ornette, Miles - things which would seem to have little in > common, but which appeal to lots of people who also like Zorn. I disagree, I think they have a great deal in common, the most basic thread being that they are maverick artists all working within American grown forms yet still keeping their work grounded in the most basic part of those forms. gg - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:32:19 +0100 From: "allen j huotari" Subject: yet more 20 it's really been cool seeing everyone else's lists so far (and a damned fine listening party we would have if the group mind could get together) here's my list, perhaps posted solely so that Henry Cow and Gerry Hemingway could be added to the statistics (both conspicuously absent from previously posted lists) ajh Henry Cow - Western Culture King Crimson - Great Deceiver Soft Machine - Peel Sessions Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom Hatfield and the North - Rotters Club National Health - Of Queues and Cures Gilgamesh - Another Fine Tune Ornette Coleman - The Shape Of Jazz To Come Miles Davis - In A Silent Way Gerry Hemingway Quintet - Perfect World Tim Berne's Caos Totale - Nice View Henry Threadgill - Too Much Sugar For A Dime Bill Frisell - Where In the World ? Naked City - Naked City Portishead - Dummy Philip Glass - Einstein on the Beach Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians Olivier Messiaen - Et Especto Resurrectionem Mortuorum Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares Vol. 1 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:45:40 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Bargain Bins The other sad problem is that we're not living in the era of "budget labels". Go to any bargain basement outlet like those we all remember from our youth and instead of 99 cent Zoot Sims records on Dawn or Duke Ellington's A Drum Is A Woman on Columbia or Sun Ra At Montreux on Inner City, we'll see major label best-ofs and those odd labels that seem to specialize in strange "greatest hits" collections from artists who never had hits. I think it's part of the globalization of international capitalism, since many of these collections come from somewhere offshore. Without proper delete bins, from where will the future music-obsessives like ourselves be nutured? Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Caleb Deupree wrote: > At 08:26 PM 4/3/98 +0000, John McMahon wrote: > > > >In every good record store there is a bin which is filled with the > >incoming stuff that is too weird, unpopular, unclassifiable, for the > >owners to expect to make much money on. Or else it contains those items > >which for whatever reason the industry has decided to delete, and get > >rid of at a bargain price. > > Sadly, while this happened a lot in the vinyl days, I've had such little > success since everything is CD that I've quit looking. Most of the bargain > bins for CDs have bad 80s rock albums, never anything remotely worthwhile. > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 08:59:16 -0800 From: George Grella Subject: Re: Top 20 disappointments Artur Nowak writes: > Hmmm... I love Frisell's solo work, especially Nonesuch > records. Please explain: What did you heard before Frisell's solo albums, > that made your expectations higher, then his solo works? Naked City? What > is better, than albums published under his own name? Bill Frisell Band? I agree, I think Frisell has made several excellent records as a leader, going all the way back to "Look Out For Hope." In fact, I'm write now listening to "Gone, Like A Train." In my head, I keep hearing it against the Power Tools trio from about 10 years ago, which highlights one of my great pleasures in listening; hearing an artist grow and change and mature and focus. People are always going to like certain periods of an artist's growth [Elvis Costello especially comes to mind here] but the artist is still, hopefully, going to change through time. And then there's Frisell's non-solo work. Sure, he's got the rock edge to things on Naked City and other "downtown" records, but there's also his long tenure in the Paul Motian Trio, the Bass Desires records, etc. He's been malleable, in a good way, for a long time now, so I'd be hard pressed to define a non-solo style that is monolithic enough to compare everything against. gg - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:49:15 -0800 From: "Keith McMullen" Subject: Re: Bargain Bins >Without proper delete bins, from where will the future music-obsessives like >ourselves be nutured? > >Ken Waxman Implants. In our lifetimes. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:21:24 -0600 From: "PETSITTER" Subject: Top 10 Zorn CD's This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD5F57.386860C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since everyone's having such a good time with the top 20 list, why = not start a top 10 Zorn list? Not many Zorn CD's have been mentioned = any ways. If anyone is interested they should prob. have at least 20 = Zorn related CD's and could list individual CD's from multi disk sets. = How about it? - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD5F57.386860C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Since=20 everyone's having such a good time with the top 20 list, why not start a = top 10=20 Zorn list?  Not many Zorn CD's have been mentioned any ways.  = If=20 anyone is interested they should prob. have at least 20 Zorn related = CD's and=20 could list individual CD's from multi disk sets.  How about=20 it?
- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD5F57.386860C0-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:29:54 -0500 (EST) From: David Newgarden Subject: NYC Broadcast of THE ART OF REMEMBRANCE The documentary film THE ART OF REMEMBRANCE - SIMON WIESENTHAL will air on WNET/Channel Thirteen (New York) on Thursday April 23, 1998, at 10:00 p.m. (original music by Zorn (Bar Kokhba) Don't know if this is being aired on any other PBS affiliates...um..check your local listings... For further information about the film: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/RLP ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:32:23 -0800 (PST) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Disappointment: Boredoms Super Roots 5 On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Friedrich Feger wrote: > Some weeks ago I bought a whole bunch of CDs, some of them recommended by > people on the list (that was the "best 97 release"- debate, not this "all > time greatest"). One I bought and unpacked not until today is Boredoms > Super Roots 5. I've never listened to a Boredoms record before, and I would > like to know if the above mentioned is representative for the band. I mean no, the "Super Roots" EPs have evolved into a way for Boredoms to experiment outside of the alterna rawk niche that they have been boxed into. your best bet is to try out "Pop Tatari" and then work your way around. > there is five minutes of processed voice/instruments at the beginning, > which sounds great, but has told it's story in one minute. Then someone > shouts "Go!" and, as expected, it goes. 55 minutes more or less white noise uh, that's the sound of two drummers hitting the cymbols on full throttle. with a little bass, guitar and synth drone washing over it. if you listen carefully, you can hear multiple layers of the cymbols being brought in gradually as it progresses and then later pulled out. it's very subtle. i quite like it, but i don't hear any white noise. your mileage may vary. hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 10:51:35 -0700 From: "Dave" Subject: Top 20 In no particular order: 1. Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come 2. Cecil Taylor - Praxis 3. Hampton Grease Band - Music To Eat 4. Talking Heads - Remain In Light 5. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew 6. R.E.M. - Murmur 7. U2 - War 8. Charles Mingus - Mingus Presents Mingus 9. Zorn / Naked City - Torture Garden 10. Esquivel - Space Age Bachelor Pad Music 11. Dick Dale - Unknown Territory 12. The Beatles - Revolver 13. Johnny Cash - American Recordings 14. Frank Zappa - Weasels Ripped My Flesh 15. King Crimson - Discipline 16. Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow 17. The Velvet Underground - Velvet Underground & Nico 18. Peter Gabriel - S/T (Mercury) 19. Kronos Quartet - Early Music 20. MMW - Friday Afternoon in the Universe Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 13:22:32 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Sainkho I have recently been digging Sainkho Namchylak's music and was wondering what else is out there I don't know about. I have her duo with Evan Parker on Victo, a disc w/MCO called 'Let Permesky Dream' and her FMP solo disc. I know of 'Letters' on Leo, another MCO, a duo w/Rothenberg and a disc with Werner Ludi, Butch Morris & Peter Kowald. What else is out there????? -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:00:25 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Bramy Subject: Ken Nordine >Here's my 20 albums, no specific order.. > >11. Ken Nordine - The Best of Word Jazz Volume 1 (if anyone knows anything >about this guy, besides his other album, Colors, or his radio show, please >tell me) I LOVE this guy. I discovered him nestled in my Grandfather's record collection several years ago and while I have meant to buy some of his other recordings, all I have is a tape of that record. It's called "How Are Things In Your Town" 1960 Blue Thumb Records 2 LP set. The only other instances of him I have are on two Hal Wilner compilation/tribute projects: "Stay Awake" - the Disney Tribute; and "Closed on Account of Rabies" - the Edgar Allen Poe Tribute. Now I have a question: radio show? Todd - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:36:56 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Victoriaville festival On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:24:23 -0500 Dora Agiotis wrote: > > Is anyone going to the Victoriaville Festival in Montreal, Canada this May? > John Zorn is playing a couple of shows, as well as Mike Patton, Ikue Mori and > others. I do. After ten years on using flaky excuses, I decided to take the jump (it is also true that the program is hard to beat). Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:29:10 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Bargain Bins Caleb Deupree wrote: > Sadly, while this happened a lot in the vinyl days, I've had such little > success since everything is CD that I've quit looking. Most of the bargain > bins for CDs have bad 80s rock albums, never anything remotely worthwhile. Last week alone I picked up Anthony Davis's "X", a John Carter disc, a Cypher 7 disc, Orbital, Jon Hassell, Cecil Taylor, Rapoon, and Artists United against Apartheid, all for under $8 apiece. Not a sorry stack of "bad 80s rock albums", hmm? And the bins here in DC are, for the most part, *pathetic* compared the amazing stuff that's to be found in the bins in Austin and Dallas... - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:26:06 EST From: Starlowski Subject: Top 10 for me... Here are mine, in no particular order: Keith Jarrett....... The K=F6ln Concert=09 The Cheiftains.... Long Black Veil Zorn ........................ Big Gundown Frisell.................... Nashville Rostropovich....... Bach Cello Suites Sonny Rollins...... Saxophone Colossus J. Coltrane........... Ascension Bj=F6rk...................... Homogenic Marta Sebestyen... Kismet Miles.......................... anything before the 1980s (+4... Sun Ra............ The Singles..... Chemical Bros..... Dig Your O= wn=0AHole.... anything by Earl Hooker or SRV-- except Soul to Soul)=0A - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:00:26 -0500 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Bargain Bins Joseph Zitt wrote: > > Caleb Deupree wrote: > > > Sadly, while this happened a lot in the vinyl days, I've had such little > > success since everything is CD that I've quit looking. Most of the bargain > > bins for CDs have bad 80s rock albums, never anything remotely worthwhile. > > Last week alone I picked up Anthony Davis's "X", a John Carter disc, > a Cypher 7 disc, Orbital, Jon Hassell, Cecil Taylor, Rapoon, and > Artists United against Apartheid, all for under $8 apiece. Not a sorry > stack of "bad 80s rock albums", hmm? And the bins here in DC are, for > the most part, *pathetic* compared the amazing stuff that's to be found > in the bins in Austin and Dallas... I live in Portland, ME and in the last few weeks I've bought on vinyl stuff by Henry Threadgill Sextett, Walt Dickerson, Tim Berne, Hank Roberts, Music Improvisation Company (w/Bailey, Parker, etc.), Butch Morris, Phillipine Gong Music, Steve Reich, "Blood" Ulmer, etc. All for very cheap (Ulmer's 'Odyssey' was $1) AND THIS IS MAINE!!!! -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:41:25 -0800 (PST) From: Joshua A Miller Subject: santa barbara noise festival sorry for such short notice for this, but- for those of you in southern california (i know there's at least a few...), the santa barbara noise festival is happening this week, april 7-9. and although this isn't quite the area where one would expect a noise festival to take place, here it is anyway. tues, april 7 lots of live bands (including my own improv noise band) at- NYM, 1117 state st., downtown santa barbara (805) 9656281 21+ wed, april 8 digital zone EAT lab room 2220, arts building, UCSB thurs, april 9 broadcast outreach tune in to KCSB, 91.9 fm i'm not sure about times for anything, but for more info you can check out the web page- http://arts.ucsb.edu/~noise, or email noise@arts.ucsb.edu hopefully we can manage to get some people in the audience aside from the other performers... josh - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #302 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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