From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #328 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, April 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 328 In this issue: - Minneapolis Stores Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician... recent purchases Marc Ribot Re: Marc Ribot Re: Marc Ribot where to get ground zero / standards Zorn Purchase Re: where to get ground zero / standards Re: Zorn Purchase Hamiet Bluiett & his Baritone Sax Quartet stockhausen, etc... RE: Circle Maker errors Re: recent goodies! Re: stockhausen, etc... Re: Hamiet Bluiett & his Baritone Sax Quartet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:13:52 -0500 From: Craig Rath Subject: Minneapolis Stores >since people are asking about stores....how about Minneapolis? >i usually go to Let it Be >are there better or cheaper stores? (mainly for avant/experimental) > Let it be probably is the best one for unconventional/avant garde. OarFolkJokeOpus (26th St. and Lyndale) is probably the second best. If you're looking for Zorn related (Tzadik/Avant) or other Jazz, the electric Fetus is great (4th Ave and Franklin). Another good one, although without as good of an avant selection, is Roadrunner (43rd st. and Nicollet). Those are the ones I go to most often. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:54:50 +1000 (EST) From: James Douglas Knox Subject: Re: Mezz, a great jewish musician... On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Chris Barrett wrote: > >Like: is that clear enough for you, dopey? > > I think this is a little uncalled for... > Its a little rude, to be sure - but given this turkey's ignorance of that which he speaks, coupled with his straight-out ignorance: perfectly justified... On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, George Grella wrote: > James Douglas Knox writes: > > > > Have you actually read his book? If so, you'd "know" that his initial > > attraction to jazz was that it was an expression of Afro-american > > culture; and as such, a negation of the Amerikkka's dominant > > WASP culture... > > > > Like: is that clear enough for you, dopey? Mezzrow may have devoted much > > of his life to music, but this choice and the specific choice of the kind > > of music he played was informed by a social context: the experience of a > > white, jewish, middle-class male in a society that still had (and has?) a > > large measure of tacit (and maybe more?) racism towards such a person... > > > > Do I need to make this any clearer for you? > > > > Yeah, I have actually read this book, rhetoric-breath. And I know it's > a lot more fun than your hind-sightful, ideological attitude about it. > I "know" that his attraction to jazz had a lot to do with the music > itself, not some sort of guilty, social protest, like, might come from > some self-lacerating WASP, like, say, yourself? FUCK YOU MAN My heritage is hundreds of proud years of Irish Catholic, plus a little Indigenous Australian, you stupid Fucker - And in all instances the subject of generatioons of opression by WASP fuckwits like youself. You have no more idea about this than you do about the actual subject in point which is: In first chapter of his book, Mezzrow EXPLICITLY states that he felt absolutely no affinity for his Jewish cultural heritage - that for him it was tainted by the dominant WASP culture that he felt totally disaffected from. And, OK: maybe I'm being naive - maybe this is his late '50s ghostwriter putting a sentiment in his mouth thats not really there - but ITS IN TTHE FUCKING BOOK, AND ITS WRIT COUNTRY SIMPLE so that even a redneck simp like you can work it out. And he reiterates his identification with Afro-American culture throughout most of the book - especially in the later chapters. Like: if anyone there doubts what I'm saying, I'll borrow the book again and post the quotes... And there's plenty. > And then Mezz was a jazz musician, which he spends a lot of time as in > the book. While it's clear to me that his race role, his "social > context," is important to you, I just find pleasure in the actual music > itself, which is my concern and, fortunately, to a great extent Mezz's > as well. He played jazz, not some WASP music yearning to be free. > And if you'd read the book, you'd know that although he loved music and played and recorded plenty, most of his life was spent in a drug-fucked daze, and he bemoans the lost opportunities and wasted years that have characterised his life...Or at least, that's how he saw his own life (or again: maybe I'm being naive, and attributing the words to him when they're the invention of his ghostwriter) Sorry if I got a little heated here: but I in no way aver from the validity of my initial statement - which wasn't in any way provocative, and was perfectly congruous with Mezzrow's autobiography. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:27:09 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: recent purchases I just got a bundle of cds which included the following: Filmworks 8 - not quite as spectacular as some said, but good nonetheless. Circle Maker - as spectacular as some said. Pachora - this is a great cd with a great feel. It's like all the Masada-ish stuff, but with a more "world" feel. It's got a more original flavour than FW8 anyway. Colma by Buckethead - a bit of a disappointment. There's some very lame writing here, but hey I guess we're supposed to like Buckethead for his playing technique, not for his writing, eh? Don't get me wrong though, there's a few good ones here. Miss Ann by Pigpen - very good, a bit of a surprise since the only other cd I have of theirs so far is Daylight which is a lot less "out there" than this. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:07:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ash Subject: Marc Ribot I own two CDs by Marc Ribot, Shoe String Symphonettes and Dont Blame Me; and I was wondering if anyone has any good suggestions of other albums he is own that I should check out. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:14:55 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Marc Ribot > I own two CDs by Marc Ribot, Shoe String Symphonettes and Dont Blame > Me; and I was wondering if anyone has any good suggestions of other > albums he is own that I should check out. 2 that come straight to mind because I just got them are Filmworks 8 and The Circle Maker - Ribot's playing is a highlight on both of these. A brilliant album which shows him in a different light is Eclecticism by Kazutoki Umezu - it's got elements of jazz and funk plus everything from surf to western (and obviously some eastern too). - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:29:15 From: Jesse Simon Subject: Re: Marc Ribot Ash wrote: >I own two CDs by Marc Ribot, Shoe String Symphonettes and Dont Blame >Me; and I was wondering if anyone has any good suggestions of other >albums he is own that I should check out. All of them, of course. But most especially: Rootless Cosmopolitans is part of the Island Records cutout series. Records that no one bought in the mid to late eighties and found themselves in every bargain bin of every Tower Records from here to wherever you are. It's a great album featuring many great musicians and such. It's definitely in a "fake jazz" vein, although with a definite edge to that stops it from ever becoming trivial. Shrek is harder to find, being on the Avant label but is worth the search. In fact it is worth whatever price you might pay just for his hyperkinetic take on Albert Ayler's BELLS. Ribot seems to have such a great understanding of Ayler (as evidenced from Bells and his version of Ghosts). cheers, jesse - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:58:12 +0200 From: Stefan Verstraeten Subject: where to get ground zero / standards Dear Zornheads, I've read about the new cd by ground zero 'Standards'. But what's the record label and where is it for sale ??? Does dowtown music gallery have it ???? Please help me find out... greetings - -- Stefan Verstraeten - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:20:09 +0200 From: "Felix" Subject: Zorn Purchase Well, I'm about to make my Zorn purchase of the month, and woud like to hear your opinion on these Zron records that interest me the most: "Classical Guide to Strategy" - I know it's lenghty, but how good is it, how does it sound? "Filmworks" - I actually haven't heard anything from Filworks series. What's the best one? "Nani Nani" - with Yamantake Eye. I have Mystic Fugu Orchestra, does it have anything to do with that? "Angelus Novus" - I've heard this is a Zorn masterpiece. "Krystalnacht" - Is it jew oriented also (in music I mean, because in concept it certainly is)? and finally "Cobra" - game pieces? Also, if you know something much better, please recommend it with a general description (other than Masada (including Bar Kohkba), Painkiller, Naked City, Elegy, Spy vs. Spy, and Mystic Fugu Orchestra). Thanks for yr patience. Felix jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:47:57 +0800 From: Jan-Wen Lu Subject: Re: where to get ground zero / standards Stefan Verstraeten ?g?D?G > Dear Zornheads, > > I've read about the new cd by ground zero 'Standards'. But what's the > record label and where is it for sale ??? Does dowtown music gallery > have it ???? > > Please help me find out... > > greetings > -- > Stefan Verstraeten If you only want "Play Standards", you can get them from two online mailorder distributions- Forced Exposure http://www.fe.org/ Bent Crayon http://www.bentcrayon.com/ In fact, "Play Standards" is not a new one, there are plenty new titles with Otomo Yoshihide. Such as: 1.Cassiber/Live in Tokyo (Off Note/ReR) -a double CD set, first CD is a '92 live recording of Cassiber. On the second CD, Ground Ground Zero remixed the live recording of Cassiber. Released in late December in Japan. Currently available through ReR, too. 2.Otomo Yoshihide/Memory Defacement (Japan Overseas/FMN Sound Factory) -a wonderful double LP set. A project of very special concept. Limited to 500 sets only. You can order it from Japan Overseas. Each $30, with $10 as postage. 3.Ground Zero-Consummation(Creativeman Disc/SANK-OHSO Disc) -volume three of Ground Zero's project:consume. Fourteen remix tracks from artists all over the world. Our friend Jim Knox also contributes one track. Very interesting stuff!! Released on Apr. 1 in Japan. Haven't found any online mailorder distributor with this one. 4.Original Soundtrack-Kitchen(Toshiba-EMI) -another beautiful soundtrack by Otomo Yoshihide, along with The Blue Kite, Summer Snow, Hu-Du-Men, and The Day the Sun Turned Cold. For the Hong Kong movie Kitchen. Released in late Novemeber in Japan. 5.Three Inch Compact Disc Featuring Exclusive Tracks by Masonna/MC Hellshit & DJ Carhouse/Merzbow (Blast First) -a 3" CD with tracks by Masonna, Merzbow, and MC Hellshit & DJ Carhouse. The track of MC Hellshit & DJ Carhouse(Yamataka Eye & Otomo Yoshihide) is great but too short. Only 1'11". For those who are very interested in Otomo's works. You can check Yoshiyuki Suzuki's "Japanese Free Improvisers" web. http://www2.gol.com/miyuki/ You can also find how to mailorder those Otomo related items from Sachiko Matsubara(ex. Ground Zero). Jan-Wen Lu - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:07:48 +0300 (WET) From: Vadim Marmer Subject: Re: Zorn Purchase i picked up "Angelus Novus" few days ago, and i`m really disappointed. i have "The Big Gundown" and "Spillane" and i like them both, but "Angelus Novus" just didn`t make me feel anything. i also ordered "Film Works 8", it is on its way to me and now i just don`t know what to expect to. i saw that "Bar Kohkba" and "Circle Maker" are very popular on this list, can somebody tell me how do they sound comparing to "Angelus Novus"? On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Felix wrote: > Well, I'm about to make my Zorn purchase of the month, and woud like to hear > your opinion on these Zron records that interest me the most: > > "Classical Guide to Strategy" - I know it's lenghty, but how good is it, how > does it sound? > > "Filmworks" - I actually haven't heard anything from Filworks series. What's > the best one? > > "Nani Nani" - with Yamantake Eye. I have Mystic Fugu Orchestra, does it have > anything to do with that? > > "Angelus Novus" - I've heard this is a Zorn masterpiece. > > "Krystalnacht" - Is it jew oriented also (in music I mean, because in > concept it certainly is)? > > and finally > "Cobra" - game pieces? > > Also, if you know something much better, please recommend it with a general > description (other than Masada (including Bar Kohkba), Painkiller, Naked > City, Elegy, Spy vs. Spy, and Mystic Fugu Orchestra). > > Thanks for yr patience. > > Felix > jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt > > jonasfel@mail.telepac.pt > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:15:22 -0400 From: "Chris Barrett" Subject: Hamiet Bluiett & his Baritone Sax Quartet I managed to catch the second set last night of Hamiet Bluiett's Baritone Sax Quartet (4 Bari's and a drummer), and it was a pretty cool show. Possibly cooler was Hamiet's almost rambling banter in which it sounded like he'd been lurking around the recent Wynton Marsalis thread. He kept going on about how it's time to take the music back, that all that other crap's been played and it's time for new stuff, and it pisses him off to see all the stuff stagnate. He also commented on how the shows should be fun, and that "I payed my $12-20 , so I am gonna hoot and holler and make a fool of myself!" The tunes went back and forth from crazy noise jams on the saxes to blues/funk send ups in which they would eventually get into a fantastic cacophanous frenzy and then bring it back down. The band was a hell of a lot of fun too, and they were clearly having a good time up there. Has anyone seen this group or have any thoughts on them? I know they have a recent CD out on the Knitting Factory works. The only guy besides Hamiet that I know of who's in the band is James Carter. I think it's kind of interesting that he's in it, especially since he apparently took Brandford's place in Wynton's band at the ripe old age of 17 (I think he's 27 now). I've always loved his playing and his amazing control, especially on tenor, but I always got a feeling that he was just about doin' the old stuff straight. It was good to see that he's exploring out a little bit. Anyone have any thoughts on him? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:37:52 +0100 From: mperlson@interport.net Subject: stockhausen, etc... I've been trying to license some music from Stockhausen for an early electronic CD I'm putting together and a movie my company is working on and let me tell you, those people at Stockhausen Verlag are difficult and the own EVERYTHING. They want too much money and won't let most stuff happen. So, I wouldn't expect to see much more soon. Also, I own a copy of "Queen of All Ears" on CD, put out by Warner Bros Germany as a promo before it got dropped. It is an amazing recording, so it is great that it is finally coming out. That must be a rare one. I showed it to several of the Lounge Lizards and they couldn't believe I had it. That one isn't for sale, but I will sell my Mia Zabelka "Possible Fruit" CD on the Austrian Label Extraplatte. Two Zorn appearances, misspelled as Jon Zorn. It's in a digipack. Nice package, I've never seen another copy of this one. Also features David Moss and several other European musicians. Please email me directly if you want to make an offer. Ciao Mark Perlson - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:38:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: RE: Circle Maker errors On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Dwight Haden wrote: > If I remember correctly, Bar Kokhba was also yanked from production soon > after release, but in this case to replace a track or two with an alternate > recording. Has anyone ever confirmed this? Are there 2 slightly different > versions of Bar Kokhba out there? http://www.tzadik.com has a page labeled "Collector's Corner (Tzadik Secrets) that I'm guessing will address this stuff soon. - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:42:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: recent goodies! On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Ken Waxman wrote: > If you liked Howard's quartet disk, try to get "Live At Judson Hall" also > on ESP. It's with a quintet (sextet) including Sirone and Dave Burell. > Much more textural music, because there are more players involved. Howard > is also touring the US around right now and should have some new CDs out > soon. thanks for the recommendation. i'll definitely pick it up *if* i see it. > As for "A Meeting In Chicago". I have the original issue on Eighth > Day Music. Is there *anything* different about this one than the other. > And why was a year-old CD reissued? i think i read that the cover art is different, although i'm unfamiliar with the 8th day version. the okka cd is 70 minutes long so i don't know if they added any material... b - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:58:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: stockhausen, etc... On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 mperlson@interport.net wrote: > I've been trying to license some music from Stockhausen for an early > electronic CD I'm putting together and a movie my company is working on and > let me tell you, those people at Stockhausen Verlag are difficult and the > own EVERYTHING. They want too much money and won't let most stuff happen. > So, I wouldn't expect to see much more soon. you should check out the news section of stockhausen-verlag website, where karlheinz's squeeze discusses plans to possibly *sue* a vocal group that performed "stimmung" incorrectly! b - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:01:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Hamiet Bluiett & his Baritone Sax Quartet Carter is the only one of the so-called "young lions" for whom I have any hope. That's because even before his association with Our Mr. Marsalis he was exploring other musics. He had an association with some of the hipper people in Detroit like Marcus Belgrave, Wendell Harrison and Roy Brooks. Then, besides playing with Marsalis and Bluiett, he also did work with Lester Bowie, the antithesis to Marsalis. His original quarter featured Jaribu Shahid (b) and Tanni Tabal (d), veteran "out" players who had worked with Sun Ra, Roscoe Mitchell et. al. And Carter's most recent CD has duets with Bowie and Bluiett as well as the playing of a Braxton composition. That said, I hope Carter can live up to his promise. I've heard that he's recently changed his drummer and bass player. Most of the reviews I've read have commented on his "showboating" and the media seems to have set him up as the Rllong Stones to Joshua Redman's The Beatles, if you know what I mean, The very first time I saw Carter, in a club in Buffalo about three years ago, he seemed excessively self-satisfied for someone so young and untried. (Sorta like a pre-hits Bryan Adams I interviewed early in his career many year ago), and it seemed as if all this praise can do nothing but go to Carter's head. Let's see what happens and hope, Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Chris Barrett wrote: The only guy besides Hamiet > that I know of who's in the band is James Carter. I think it's kind of > interesting that he's in it, especially since he apparently took > Brandford's place in Wynton's band at the ripe old age of 17 (I think he's > 27 now). I've always loved his playing and his amazing control, especially > on tenor, but I always got a feeling that he was just about doin' the old > stuff straight. It was good to see that he's exploring out a little bit. > Anyone have any thoughts on him? > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #328 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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