From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #407 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, June 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 407 In this issue: - Stone cd for trade. Re: Gene Coleman/Polwechsel at Roulette re: re: coltrane Zorn vinyl Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:01:17 -0300 Wild Palms God CD's for sale Re: Frith Bands concrete music Re: concrete music Winter & Winter About Skeleton Crew Re: Winter & Winter good package design Re[2]: Winter & Winter RE: good package design RE: Winter & Winter RE: Winter & Winter new label ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:10:36 -0400 From: "Jason J. Tar" Subject: Stone cd for trade. Hello, Might anyone want _Mom's_ on cd? I'm looking to trade it. Interested in getting _Fear No Love_ by Bob Ostertag in return. (Or open to other offers if not.) Also have Naked City _Absinthe_ for trade. Thanks. JJTar BTW--The God cds I have are all on Pathological, Virgin, or Big Cat...NOT Earache. Good heavy grindcore, very dense. Zorn appears on _Possession_. If anybody has "Consumed" for trade/sale, I'd be extremely interested in acquiring it! I still lack that disc. Thanks. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:35:27 EDT From: Subject: Re: Gene Coleman/Polwechsel at Roulette In a message dated 6/27/98 12:58:56 PM, olewnik@IDT.NET wrote: <> well, I was one of those 20. I was up in the front row on the left with my friend. where were you, Brian? << I enjoyed the improvisations the most, by far; the composed pieces were a bit static and dry for my taste.>> I actually felt that the compositions cohered more while the improv was a bit aimless. of course, this might have had something to do with my attention span since the improv was last and the air conditioning had been turned off before the show started, since it interfered with their sparse, quiet pieces. <> well, I'm pretty sure the only polwechsel release available is on random acoustics. it's the three austrians with the addition of malfatti, and while I haven't heard it yet, I'll be picking it up soon. I know coleman is on the recent guillermo gregorio record on hatology and on the recent set of anthony braxton compostions on hat(now). I don't know of any records featuring his compositions but I'd be curious to hear them. <> yeah, definitely. thanks, caleb. it's too bad that roulette gigs aren't better publicized. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:16:23 MDT From: "Jonas Thompson" Subject: re: re: coltrane i vaguely remember the world according to john coltrane video which featured some b&w european live footage from '63, with devastating performances of naima and maybe my favorite things (?), but i don't recall vigil. is this the same stuff? either way, is the original film of the complete concert, or just these snippets? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:46:44 +0800 From: numbat@vianet.net.au (Sibree/Wilkes) Subject: Zorn vinyl Just to let you know that there are a few Zorn and other relevant lps in the list I recently posted to rec.music.marketplace.vinyl. Look for NUMBAT JAZZ AUCTION LIST 4 - FREE JAZZ/AVANT GARDE, or email me direct for details. I am not a dealer. Apologies for the spam. Billy - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:01:17 -0300 From: "Claudio Koremblit" Subject: Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:01:17 -0300 > De: Rusty Crump > A: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Asunto: composing... heh > Fecha: Jueves 25 de Junio de 1998 11:30 > > After seeing notices this year for new Masada shows in NYC, an attempt at a > Masada show in Argentina, some west coast Masadas... Hello, I would like to know how do you knew about a possible Masada's show in Argentina...this notice was announced in this list? thanks, ck - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:45:13 +0200 From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel) Subject: Wild Palms Hi! On Ryuichi Sakamoto's soundtrack to "Wild Palms" (a wonderful disc, by the way), there are uncredited vocals (female) on tracks 3 ("Harry To Hospital") and 11 ("Tully Hooked"). Does anybody know who these vocalists are? Kind regards, - Chris. --------------------------------------------- * Chris Genzel --- stamil@t-online.de * * Homepage & Herbie Hancock discography at: * * http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/ * --------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:11:55 +0000 From: Simon Hopkins Subject: God > >Anyone care to comment on K Martin's outfit God? I saw a disc today >which looked interesting. Feat Zorn amongst many other guests. I'm >expecting some kind of grindcore... Good, bad, neither? > > For sound sample-accompanied reviews of some of Kevin Martin and Justin Broadrick'ss more recent work with Techno Animal and Ice and as a collaborators with Alec Empire on "Curse of the Golden Vampire" check out the ---+motion website: http://www.state51.co.uk/motion/ Cheers! Simon & Dan @ state51 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:58:23 EDT From: Subject: CD's for sale Greetings all, For any of you that might be interested, I’m having a CD sale. There’s over 150 items, everything from Debbie Gibson to Painkiller, and most of these are in the $4 - $7 range. Email me privately for the list, and thanks for your interest! Dale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:40:36 -0400 From: philz Subject: Re: Frith Bands Dan Hewins wrote: >I was trying to get info on some of Frith's bands, Art Bears and Skeleton >Crew. I was successful at AMG in finding the correct Art Bears but the >Skeleton Crew was not a band invlolving Frith. I found some RA soundclips >from the Skeleton Crew album "Prehistoric...Dig" and it DEFINITELY isn't >Frith. Hmmm.... anyone know anything about Skeleton Crew? I've actually seen the album you're talking about and scratched my head wondering if this was the same band as Frith & Cora's... the answer is definitely not, it's some rock band (I believe) that happened to take the same name. What you're looking for is either of the vinyl records _Learn to Talk_ or _Country of Blinds_, or the single Recommended Record cd that puts those two together, though missing a couple of tracks. Awesome stuff, top of my list with No Safety and the early Naked City records. philz - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:27:06 -0300 (GMT-0300) From: perojo@unsl.edu.ar Subject: concrete music Hello, anybody can explain what is the concrete music, musician, what about his 50 years of life, and what about electronic music, any information ... Txs in advance. .Pablo. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:41:18 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: concrete music On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:27:06 -0300 (GMT-0300) perojo@unsl.edu.ar wrote: > > > Hello, anybody can explain what is the concrete music, musician, what about > his 50 years of life, and what about electronic music, any information ... > Txs in advance. Musique Concrete restricted its use of sound material to the ones produced exclusively by natural ways (no synthetic sounds): foot steps, sqweaky door, etc. Electric instruments were used to manipulate these sounds, but not to produce them. Electronic music started soon after in Cologne (1951), and was based on sounds produced synthetically (with basic electronic wave generators). Then musique concrete and electronic music fused (which you could easily expect) and the name musique concrete belongs to begone time. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 15:33:57 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Winter & Winter Well, this seems to be a slow day in the JZ Corral, so I thought I'd indulge myself in some spleen-venting: Picked up the Uri Caine 'Urlicht' CD the other day; from one listen, it seems to be a very fine work--that's not the problem. I think there was a Winter & Winter discussion here a while back, though I didn't follow it much, so this might have already been brought up, but: This is the UGLIEST graphics/packaging job I've seen in a long, long time! I had always found the JMT releases to be bad enough, sterile, awful colors, shallow, etc., but this canary yellow faux corduroy wins the ugly award hands down. The bland booklet isn't too offensive (and, I guess, you have to give them credit for offering six translations of the notes, though the notes themselves are blather) but the CD docking station is clunky at best, the disc settling in with a disturbing 'click'. Blecch. Worst design idea I've seen since the hat Art Double-LP boxes fromt he early 80's--anyone else still get annoyed while sliding in the record next to one of these and having it catch on the hidden lip? At least hat Art has progressed to those neat, sleek envelopes they're using now (also got the Taku Sugimoto disc on hat Noir--what a contrast!). OK, I feel better now. The Caine disc does sound fine though; a ripe avenue for exploration, I think. Love to hear an orchestra of free improvisors tackle some Scriabin or, heaven forfend, Rachmaninov's 'Isle of the Dead'! Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:42:36 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: About Skeleton Crew The following is sent on behalf of Stephane Vuilleumier: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RecRec just told me last week that the double reissue of the 2 Skeleton Crew LPs on one CD RecDec 512 has just become available again in a new pressing. Somebody said that Skeleton Crew disbanded in 86 but I think I last saw them in July? 87. If somebody's desperate for the integral content of the 2 LPs (there's no real reason for that, the one song from each LP which is missing is probably the weakest to end-of-the-90s ears), I'm sure there's lots of copies of the LPs still floating around. Stephane - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:57:20 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Winter & Winter On Mon, 29 Jun 98 15:33:57 -0500 brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote: > > Picked up the Uri Caine 'Urlicht' CD the other day; from one listen, > it seems to be a very fine work--that's not the problem. I think there > was a Winter & Winter discussion here a while back, though I didn't > follow it much, so this might have already been brought up, but: > > This is the UGLIEST graphics/packaging job I've seen in a long, long ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Really? Then I assume that you are not buying records very often :-). I personnally think that the design is gorgeous and I am affraid that, as with most digipack, it won't age gracefully. Also annoyed that getting the record out can lead to some scratches. But besides that, I find the design fantastic. I would be curious to know what you consider a gorgeous design. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:21:50 -0500 From: Jason Tors Subject: good package design I think that the new Downtown Lullaby package and design is great. The type, photos, material, and silkscreening on the cd all work very well together. Does anyone know who the designer at DOF is? At the anchorage I was talking to this crazy french guy named Marco. He and a bunch of his runarounds are filming a documentary on the DT jazz scene. Does anyone know if this has been done before? Marco said that he and his crew were well recieved by everyone for various interviews and the like. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 16:35:43 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re[2]: Winter & Winter I wrote: > This is the UGLIEST graphics/packaging job I've seen in a long, long ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Patrice responded: >Really? Then I assume that you are not buying records very often :-). Right. I wish ;-). FWIW, I'm coming at this from a background as a painter, so many of the album designs I find most teeth-gratingly bad are those using paintings as covers. Off the top of my head, some that stick out as particularly irksome: Vol 2 of the Creative Construction Company (if anyone remembers that far back), Julius Hemphill's 'Georgia Blue', Michael Smith's 'Geo Music' (if anyone knows _that_ one, I'll be impressed), Sonny Sharrock's 'Dance with Me, Montana' (phew! absolutely horrid!), gosh, so many more...Sun Ra's 'Astro-Black'...the entire list would be looong... >I personnally think that the design is gorgeous and I am affraid that, as >with most digipack, it won't age gracefully. Also annoyed that getting the >record out can lead to some scratches. But besides that, I find the design >fantastic. >I would be curious to know what you consider a gorgeous design. Well, in recent years, of course, virtually all of Ikue Mori's work, much of Thi Linh-Le's. I've always been fond of the painting on the front of Rahsaan's 'Natural Black Inventions: Root Strata' (also a great, great record). And, for that matter, the cover of the _1st_ volume of CCC was pretty nice. The Table of the Elements series, the hat Art classical series (the red and white covers), etc, etc... Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:53:45 +0200 From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: good package design > I think that the new Downtown Lullaby package and design is great. The > type, photos, material, and silkscreening on the cd all work very well > together. NOT! The type is too small (I'm tired of Corel types...), photos are amatour-like, material is too soft. BAD cover design. Now we will talk about CD-packaging. If everything is already said about the music, why not? :-) __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno@silesia.top.DEATHTOSPAMMERS.pl] www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:53:49 +0200 From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: Winter & Winter > > This is the UGLIEST graphics/packaging job I've seen > in a long, long > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I personnally think that the design is gorgeous I agree with Patrice! But I have to agree with Brian also: this way of packaging CD's is not practical. And he's right about JMT as well: their design was macabre, just take look at any of Tim Berne records or "Tongue in Groove" YAK! This type of design sais: "if you think this is bad art, you will love it after listening to the music!" I'm lucky to be on this mailing list: I don't have to choose records after cover art, but after recommendations from you people. In other case I would NEVER know Tim Berne works. I think JMT/W&W was/is in shadow of ECM, other world-wide fanous german label which is well known for its constant (boring), ascetic (dull) design. I always thought JMT wants to say "NO" to ECM, with the music and with the design. Now W&W is already well established and recognized label, so tey can finally afford better cover art, packaging, they would like to say: "take a look at this acid-yellow package, it will look absolutely better on your shelf than yet another black ECM cover! And the music is better too!" OK, . __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno@silesia.top.DEATHTOSPAMMERS.pl] www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:30:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Cappy D'Angelo" Subject: RE: Winter & Winter Now that I think about it, the only reason I've never been able to get into Tim Berne is the Artwork - which is that album with the fish ?... I was quite impressed by the photos and general design of Downtown Lullaby (now playing), but I wouldn't have minded more liner notes. My policy with those paper cases is always to keep the cd itself in another (plastic) case. Those four-cd-cases-that-only-come-with-two-cds are particularly handy for that (eg the Masada chamber ensemble cases) Cappy D'Angelo Student at Law - Intellectual Property Dabbler in Recording - Sonic Solutions Digital Editing and Mastering Twanger of Guitar & Blower of Eb Horns of Alto & Bari Persuasion Vancouver, B.C., CANADA - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:35:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Bramy Subject: new label Recently recieved this little tidbit from the Superchunk news list. Superchunk's leader, Mac, is starting a new label, and what follows is his description of it. Thought it may interest you. "Wobbly Rail is a very small label i've started to release the type of music i probably listen to more than any other - improvised music. Free Jazz, creative music, whatever you want to call it, it's a music that's hard to find in this country (most cd's are imports) though labels like AUM Fidelity, No More, Tzadik, and Knitting Factory Works are releasing more and more stuff that you can find easily. I'm basically just doing this out of my house, on a very small level, knowing that the stuff is pretty esoteric to many people and won't sell a ton, but i think it's important to get it out there. The first three releases are: - - Wadada Leo Smith / Harumi Makino Smith - "Condor, Autumn Wind" - - AALY Trio + Ken Vandermark - "Stumble" - - Steve Lacy - "Solo, Live at Unity Temple" I feel lucky to be able to release these albums by musicians i've been a fan of for years, so it's pretty exciting. There's a website: http:\\wobbly.home.mindspring.com\ that i'm slowly getting up; there's some stuff there now. And the name comes from a Cecil Taylor song "Excursion on a Wobbly Rail" from his Looking Ahead! lp." Todd - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #407 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com