From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #411 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, July 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 411 In this issue: - breuker Re: Looking for more percussion Re: breuker Re: breuker errata Re: Dorgon Re: The last game Re: The last game Re: The last game RE: The last game (LAST WORD) W&W again... RE: The last game RE: The last game RE: live Pulnoc album Re: W&W again... Butch Morris at Tonic, 7/2/98 (long) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:30:00 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: breuker Does anyone have any recommendations for Willem Breuker's work? I saw the Kollektief live a little while ago and it was great, but I have no idea where the tracks came from, so, any suggestions? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:25:04 -0800 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Looking for more percussion I'd certainly agree that Hemingway's solo discs are great, but one of them, (Acoustic Solo Works 1983-94, Random Acoustics 016) is NOT "entirely a studio product." Rather, all tracks on this disc are performed live in real time. The "layering, effects, and vaguely recognizible precussion" on this disc come from Hemingway's performance techniques, not any studio gimmicks. The other disc (Electro-Acoustic Solo Works 1984-95, Random Acoustics 017) does include works in which Hemingway plays against pre-recorded tapes, uses MIDI-triggered samplers and/or live signal processing of his drumming, but even these works were designed as performable pieces. Only one of the pieces on this disc, Totem, is simply a "studio product" & it's basically a musique concrete work, using tape techniques to alter percusion sounds Hemingway recorded. Bests, Herb snilsen@panda.uchc.edu (Steven Nilsen) wrote: >Has anyone suggested the Gerry Hemingway Collected Works CDs? He has two >out there, I've sent them out on loan, so I can give the vital details. >However I can tell you that it's entirely a studio product with all sorts >of layering, effects, and vaguely recognizible precussion. Apperently >they're a composite of tunes that span over 10 years of some fun fooling. >Anyhow, good stuff, not AT ALL what I expected, hence good stuff. > >Isn't Gerry on precussion for that Schlippenbach Trio disc? I've heard, >it's actually at out local library (!), but don't own a copy. > >- -Steven Herb Levy herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 11:00:32 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re: breuker Julian wrote: >Does anyone have any recommendations for Willem Breuker's work? I saw the >Kollektief live a little while ago and it was great, but I have no idea >where the tracks came from, so, any suggestions? Ah, now we're talkin'! As far as the Kollektief goes (distinguishing them from Breuker's work on his own, mostly in soundtracks), generally, IMHO, their greatest stuff is from around 1975-83. In this period, they were more of a "jazz" band (though, of course, throwing everything else in); in the last 10-12 years, as far as their recorded work goes (live is often a different story) they've become more of a repertoire group, performing various 20th century pieces (Prokofiev, Satie, Grofe, etc.) in addition to original work. Some faves, with a very cursory rating (dates might be off): Dreibergen-Zeist BVHaast 1982 A+ In Holland " 1981 A+ WBK About Time 1983 A Rhapsody in Blue BVHaast 1986 A Summer Music Marge 1978 A The European Scene BASF 1975 A WBK '79 BVHaast 1979 A Metropolis " 1987 A To Remain " 1986 A- Jazz, Jeudi, 3 Mars " 1977 A- Parade " 1988 A- Plays George Gershwin " 1987 A- Sensemaya " 1995 B+ Meets Djazzex " 1996 B Live in Berlin FMP 1975 B De Onderste Steen BVHaast 1994 B Heibel " 1990 B- Bob's Gallery " 1987 B- Breuker's film and theater music is also well worth checking out, especially: Baal Brecht Breuker Handke BVHaast De Illusionist/Kkkomediant " Music for His Films " Kees de Jongen " Overtime " Brecht/Heijermans " Twee Vroumen/Doodzonde " And, if you need more, his duos with Leo Cuypers ('Superstars' on FMP) and Han Bennink ('Sendai Sjors + Sendai Sjimmie') are a good deal of fun. That should hold ya for a while. As you may suspect, I'm a bit of a Breuker fanatic, so take my recs with a few grains of salt, but I think he's created some of the finest work in the last 25 years. Brian Olewnick NP: The Music of Harry Partch (CRI) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:25:39 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: breuker >>>>> "Julian" == Julian writes: Julian> Does anyone have any recommendations for Willem Breuker's Julian> work? I saw the Kollektief live a little while ago and it Julian> was great, but I have no idea where the tracks came from, Julian> so, any suggestions? I have four Breuker albums from various periods: Heibel, Sensemaya, Metropolis, and the Parrot. Heibel was recommended as a starting point by Cadence, and was recorded live in 1990, two pieces with lots of improv, and including a mini-opera with a vocalist. Sensemaya (1995) and Metropolis (1989) add a small string orchestra (Mondriaan strings) to the Kollektief, and shows more of their classical side, although it has a great improv version of Night and Day. Sensemaya is beautifully recorded and contains some stunningly beautiful music, including a foxtrot that sounds like 1920s Great Gatsby-type music, but with a clarity and purity like nothing else I own. Metropolis also includes a couple of performances by Toby Rix, a vaudeville performer who performs a Haydn concerto on a contraption made of automobile horns. The Parrot is a retrospective from 1980-1995, a compilation from a number of older BVHaast releases. Of the four, I'd start with Heibel or Sensemaya, depending on your level of interest in their classical side. There is a web site on the Kollektief, including a complete BVHaast discography, at http://www.xs4all.nl/~wbk/wbk.html. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change. Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:47:54 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Caulfield Bivins Subject: errata Hi folks, I have a couple of things to weigh in on: 1) Solo percussion: I'm surprised that nobody has yet mentioned (unless I've missed it) Milford Graves's recent disc "Grand Unification" on Tzadik. I've been underwhelmed by recent label releases, but this one is tremendously exciting, not least because Graves records so infrequently. By the way, on the subject of percussion, has anyone heard the Hemingway Quartet's recent release? I believe it's called "Bob's Corner Store" and it's a mail-order only item from GH's own Auricle records. 2) Packaging: the big kahuna here, in ambition if not in taste, is the recent Mats Gustafsson "Impropositions," an unwieldy monster of book-like proportions, containing paintings, photos, diagrams. Plus the disc is a CD-Rom. I think Cadence still has this one, but I'm not sure. 3) Bailey: I actually loathe the recent "Trio Playing," as it seems to me like an assemblage of "Incus cliches" for want of a better term. I can see how it would appeal, but it does nothing for me, Bailey fan that I am. I agree whole-heartedly with Chris Hamilton's caution against "Moment Precieux," which is improvisation DOA. But if you can't find "Aida" for the solo stuff, by all means check out "Music and Dance" on the Revenant label. Great stuff as Bailey accompanies Butoh dancer Min Tanaka in a leaky, rainy loft in Paris (talk about musique concrete!). Jason Bivins - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:20:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Dorgon According to the July Cadence which reviews a new CD by him (some tracks with a string quartet!)Dorgon's real name is Gordon Knauer. The stuff sounds interesting, in a conceptional fashion. Where did you find the first disk, Dan, surely not in Toronto or (awk) London, Ont? From the Megacity Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:40:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: The last game Last I saw this was a MUSIC list. If you guys want to banter on about the World Cup, which most of us here are doing our best to AVOID, do it personally to each other's private E-mails and don't waste our time. This is a not very subtle hint./ Back to music Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:43:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: The last game See my comments above. If you guys want to talk soccer, I'm sure there are plenty of othger sites to use. Leave us alone, we're discussing music. gorge rising Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:11:04 PDT From: "Silent Watcher" Subject: Re: The last game >Last I saw this was a MUSIC list. If you guys want to banter on about >the World Cup, which most of us here are doing our best to AVOID, do >it personally to each other's private E-mails and don't waste our >time. > >This is a not very subtle hint./ Back to music Being as these (for the most part) were addenums to relatively short posts, I don't see why you're so seemingly offended by it. If this was an ongoing problem, then I could certainly see your point... Peace, DB For Sale/Want List and Bill Laswell Discography at : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:45:47 -0700 From: mike burma Subject: RE: The last game (LAST WORD) - ---------- From: Silent Watcher >Being as these (for the most part) were addenums to relatively short >posts, I don't see why you're so seemingly offended by it. If this was >an ongoing problem, then I could certainly see your point... Actually, Ken didn't post his message until there were two messages devoted solely to football. As far as I'm concerned, he was not out of line, especially since he said it before me! :) Just to be really clear, do not send messages to the zorn-list wholly about football, car racing or the Tour De France. Side comments in a primarily music related message are OKAY. mike zorn-list-owner-and-enforcer - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:49:20 +0200 From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: W&W again... FYI: I got this information from Winter & Winter: > The new Uri Caine Album is entitled "Uri Caine Trio - Blue > Wail" and should > be now available [...] (as well as the other new > releases from Paul Motian trio 2000 +One, Gary Thomas and > Dave Douglas.) > For the future W&W will release the second part of the Bach Solo Cello > Suites, Biber-Mystery-Sonatas, Tango-Music by Tangata Rea, > Baroque Chamber > Music by Bell'Arte ... Mentioned Douglas' release is probably "Charms of the night Sky". __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno@silesia.top.DEATHTOSPAMMERS.pl] www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:49:13 +0200 From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: The last game > Last I saw this was a MUSIC list. If you guys want to banter > on about the > World Cup, which most of us here are doing our best to AVOID, do it > personally to each other's private E-mails and don't waste our time. Of course you canadians prefer wrestling with bears. :-) __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno@silesia.top.DEATHTOSPAMMERS.pl] www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:41:12 -0300 (GMT-0300) From: perojo@unsl.edu.ar Subject: RE: The last game things related to soccer,i think must be disccused in other lists .. anyway, holland gonna win saturday and brazil gonna win the cup .. Txs . Pablo. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:10:29 -0700 From: mike burma Subject: RE: live Pulnoc album Debut? Really? I could have sworn they played San Francisco way back when...I even recall and interview with them on KALX-Berkeley. Memorable because it was one of the few radio interviews I've heard utilizing an interpreter. mike - ---------- From: Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 10:05 PM To: Lang Thompson Cc: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: live Pulnoc album Lang Thompson wrote: > The new Wayside catalog lists a Pulnoc album called "Live in New York." > Has anybody heard this? Is it the same as the "Live at PS122" tape? I can't answer that, but did you know that the Plastic People of the Universe are playing their U.S. debut at Irving Plaza in New York in just a few weeks, as part of the Intel Festival? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:49:34 -0400 From: Alan E Kayser Subject: Re: W&W again... Artur Nowak wrote: > FYI: I got this information from Winter & Winter: > > > The new Uri Caine Album is entitled "Uri Caine Trio - Blue > > Wail" and should > > be now available At this time the Wagner and Blue Wail are available only in Europe. It may be a while before US release. Classical Choice in Philadelphia has some signed copies thanks to Uri. http://www.cdchoice.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 01:42:23 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Butch Morris at Tonic, 7/2/98 (long) As Butch Morris's quintet played its warm-up notes, setting the sound levels for amplification, it was 9 p.m., time for the set to begin, and there were exactly 12 people in attendance. Some friends and I conjectured that many NY new music people might be over at the Knit catching Fantomas, and we further felt that, had the participants been listed anywhere in print, surely the room would be more full. Said participants, who I'd noted listed on the Tzadik website just that afternoon (though it was most probably there earlier) included a saxophonist identified as Ilhan (most probably Ilhan Ersahin, who I've never seen nor heard -- actually the Tzadik site had listed Micah Gaugh but it certainly wasn't him), DJ Singe from Butch's Holy Ghost band of a few weeks ago, bassist Paul D. Miller (that's right, gang, DJ Spooky sans dreads and nose ring, sporting an electric upright bass only -- I didn't even recognize him until Bruce Gallanter told me who he was), and accordianist Pauline Oliveros. Really. Not to mention the startling sight and more than welcome sound of Butch's cornet. The music: clearly this was not a conduction. This was old fashioned free improvisation. Butch and the group had a little huddle out of earshot, then came back to start the set. Somehow the audience had quietly grown to about triple its size. Lower east siders do seem to believe in being fashionably late, even if only by a bit. (By the end of the set there were probably 50 people in the room, and about that many or a few more for the second set. Butch played and he played, displaying undiminished chops and bags of extended technique tricks (my favorite was when he would turn the horn upside down and play the bottoms of the valves like a pan pipe). He's an original, and it was great to hear him play live for [my] first time. Hopefully he keeps it up a while. Musically, very little actually seemed to gel in the first set... everything seemed tentative, though there were little felicities everywhere. Ilhan and Spooky were not exceptional free improvisers, proving once again that this is a skilled activity, not a free-for-all. But they both added in simple ways to the overall color of the fabric, and provided ideas the others were able to work with. Ilhan in particular was a very epigrammatic player, who seldom played a figure of more than two bars in length, yet these kernels were snapped up by Butch and Pauline for further extrapolation. Spooky was more content to blend into the scenery, creating texture and ambiance rather than getting involved in either soloing or rhythm duties. Both of them spent a fairly large amount of each piece sitting out. Pauline seemed both interested and interesting. She listened carefully and provided intelligent counterpoint and accompaniment, working with two foot pedals, one for volume and one for various special effects. DJ Singe was a singularly interesting junglist, who sometimes chirped away in the background, at other times interrupting with loud, spastic breakbeats. I'm no expert but her technique seemed solid and smooth, and her selection of cuts was nice as well. She also played a nice little solo set towards the end of intermission. The second set was far superior; the participants seemed loosened up and more at ease. If Morris frequently echoed Miles Davis (both in Harman muted melancholy and the stabbing attack of the '70s Miles), then Ilhan most frequently appropriated mid-'60s Coltrane licks. It made for an odd juxtaposition when set against the accordian's wheeze, the DJ's licks, and a bassist often more content to be a drummer, rapping the sides of his instrument, tapping the strings in time with the DJ. Notably, it was during the second set that everyone felt willing to goof around a bit... instead of playing on stolidly over the breakbeats, everyone at some point or another, separately or together, allowed her or himself to play *with* the beats - a skittering run up the accordion here, a unison legato passage cutting across the rhythm there. Honestly, the first piece of the second set was one of the more interesting things I've ever heard from Morris, and as a whole the second set delivered on the promise of the exploration and hesitation of the first set. Others were unconvinced, claiming that Morris of late is simply mining the suddenly trendy '70s Miles style [?], but I personally felt that was but one element of the overall picture. But everybody was unanimous in the hope Morris keeps on playing cornet a little while longer. Reporting from the scene, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com P.S. While I didn't report on it, Derek Bailey and Susie Ibarra blew me away on Sunday night. Delivered everything I'd hoped it would. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #411 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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