From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #423 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, July 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 423 In this issue: - Zorn Shirts/Contacting John Re: Praxis: Sacrifist Nik Bullen Re: Johnny Dowd Re: Joey Baron Re: Praxis: Sacrifist dave douglas, w&w, motain, lovano, frisell, lurie, da lizards ...eek Re: dave douglas, w&w, motain, lovano, frisell, lurie, da lizards ...eek Re: Joey Baron Re: Joey Baron Arcana/Arc of the Testimony Radio Re: Arcana/Arc of the Testimony Re: Arcana/Arc of the Testimony Re: Goldberg et al. Pachora Re: looking for these Miscelaneous Re: Miscelaneous (IN CRAPPY SPANISH) Straylight Dialogues ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:25:24 -0500 From: Evan Jones Subject: Zorn Shirts/Contacting John Sorry to clog any mailboxes out there, but I was wondering if any Zorn shirts are still floating around out there, specifically Naked City or Painkiller (yes, I know, I'm sure I'll outgrow my noise rock penchant one day). If not, does anybody have a large or X-large they could sell? OK, as per the next request, I've decided on nutting up and putting on an avant/noise festival. Even though I'm pretty frickin' broke, I can probably get one of these "hep artistic" cats to put up a little money a la Warhol to offer John, but as per contacting him what would my best bet be? Writing Tzadik? Flying out to one of his gigs (THAT can happen, and monkeys might fly outtta my butt)? Hiring a sky-writer? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ev. ------------------------ "Ya know, I've watched a lot of horror flicks in my day, and all I have to say is DON'T MESS AROUND WITH BOOKS IN LATIN WITH PENTAGRAMS ON THEM!!!" - Ev. http://www.flash.net/~baka/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:19:35 +0200 From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel) Subject: Re: Praxis: Sacrifist >> On another note, I was always wondering who this Asian guy on the back cover >> of "Chaos Face: Doom Ride" is. Can anybody tell? > > I think his name is something like Shin Torai, he is Bill's "guide" when he > is in Japan. I've always wondered who this Shin Terai is, because he appeared in many "thank you" sections. But why is he featured this prominently on Chaos Face? He's only credited for some vocals on two tracks. Or is he Chaos Face? Kind regards, - Chris. --------------------------------------------- * Chris Genzel --- stamil@t-online.de * * Homepage & Herbie Hancock discography at: * * http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/ * --------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:19:36 +0200 From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel) Subject: Nik Bullen I'm looking for as much information on Nicholas James (Nik) Bullen as possible. Can anybody help? Kind regards, - Chris. --------------------------------------------- * Chris Genzel --- stamil@t-online.de * * Homepage & Herbie Hancock discography at: * * http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil/ * --------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:56:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Johnny Dowd Not having heard Dowd, but it would seem that he's interested in "real" country, i.e. before the Nashville sweeteners took over. To hear that get Merle Haggard's "Okie From Muskogee" or "A Working Man Can't Get Anywhere Today" (both Capitol);" Johnny Cash at Folson Prison" (Columbia) or "Greatest Hits" (Sun). There are also good discs by Web Pierce, Buck Owens, Hank Snow, Hank Thompson Ernest Tubb et. al. Tubb's "Waltz Across Texas" has been "covered" by Eugene Chadbourne on a couple of CDs and in live performance, which, of course, gets us back to John Zorn and creative improvised music. As much as I respect Merle Haggard, in particular, I still think an immersion in Albert Ayler and Cecil Taylor is more germane for the "search for truth and beauty" than even the finest C&W session. Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, John D Schonewolf wrote: > > Anyway, many of the articles in his press packet > mentioned Johnny Cash. So, I am wondering if anyone has some > recommendations for Johnny Cash, or any other singers in this vein. > > Thanks for any help. > > > Jack Schonewolf > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:07:07 +0800 From: "Chris Hunter" Subject: Re: Joey Baron Hi, I'm not so sure about the 4/4 hardcore but apart from lots of stuff with Zorn he's a regular with Bill Frisell. Frisell/Driscoll/Baron "Live " is very nice. All Music Guide lists heaps of things he's appeared on from Zorn to straight jazz and everything in-between. Cheers Chris. The study of 'non-Euclidian' geometry brings nothing to students but fatigue, vanity, arrogance and imbecility. 'Non-Euclidian' space is the false invention of demons, who gladly furnish the dark understandings of the 'non-euclidians' with false knowledge. The non-Euclidians, like the ancient sophists, see unaware that their understandings have become obscured by the promptings of the evil spirits. Matthew Ryan - -----Original Message----- From: Evan Jones To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, 21 July 1998 18:09 Subject: Joey Baron > > Hello all, > > Does anybody know what other bands Joey Baron has been in? I'd be really >interested in finding out because the more I listen to his work on some of >the Naked City stuff, and being from a punk rock background, I hear a lot >of Black Flag/Dead Kennedys 4/4 style hardcore sounds emitting from his >drumming style. That guy's got some frickin' skills (sorry, I've been >watching Austin Powers). > > Ev. > > > ------------------------ >"Ya know, I've watched a lot of horror flicks in my day, and all I have to >say is DON'T MESS AROUND WITH BOOKS IN LATIN WITH PENTAGRAMS ON THEM!!!" - >Ev. > http://www.flash.net/~baka/ > >- > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:58:06 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Praxis: Sacrifist At 03:19 PM 7/21/98 +0200, Chris Genzel wrote: > I've always wondered who this Shin Terai is, because he appeared in many > "thank you" sections. But why is he featured this prominently on Chaos Face? > He's only credited for some vocals on two tracks. Or is he Chaos Face? I think Bill was in Japan right around the time Chaos Face was made (I can't remember exactly, this was when I first got involved) but I don't think the idea was that Shin was Chaos Face, it was just a name. Jeff Spirer B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/ Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:24:56 -0400 From: Bob Kowalski Subject: dave douglas, w&w, motain, lovano, frisell, lurie, da lizards ...eek Might I be the only one in the greater Boston area to not come across the new Winter & Winter Dave Douglas release? For the luck ones that have been listening to it, what might one expect? The one W&W release I have, Motain w/ Lovano & Frisell, is very good (any fan of either 3 of these fine dudes should pick it up...) Anyone else out there playing hell out of the new slew of Lurie/Lounge Lizard releases - they are all kicking! Does anyone have the scoop on when the soundtrack "African Swimming/Manny & Low" will be ready for listening. So many questions I know. Thanks ahead of time gang. And happy listening... Bob - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:29:07 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: dave douglas, w&w, motain, lovano, frisell, lurie, da lizards ...eek On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:24:56 -0400 Bob Kowalski wrote: > > Anyone else out there playing hell out of the new slew of Lurie/Lounge > Lizard releases - they are all kicking! Does anyone have the scoop on ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You can count me in! The record is not very different from VOICE OF CHUNK. This is not a criticism: I think that VOICE OF CHUNK is a killer record. It does not hurt to see John Lurie pursuing this vein. Patrice (unconditionally biased towards the Lounge Lizards). - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:34:47 +0200 From: "Francisco Fonz-Garcés" Subject: Re: Joey Baron Evan Jones wrote: > Does anybody know what other bands Joey Baron has been in? You can hear him in the Herb Robertson 5tet (3 albums in JMT) and the Tim Berne group recordings for Columbia. My fav combo is Miniature (Baron, Berne, Roberts). Ciao Paco Fonz - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:53:57 -0500 From: Dan Hewins Subject: Re: Joey Baron >> Does anybody know what other bands Joey Baron has been in? The best place to look would be http://www.allmusic.com/ and search for Joey Baron (his page is http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.exe?p=amg&sql=B36829). This page will list all (4) of his own albums plus every album he's played on (That AMG knows about). I find this to be a great resource for finding out more about musicians. Dan - -------------------------------------- Dan Hewins hewins@synsolutions.com http://people.synsolutions.com/hewins/ "No quote" - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:16:53 -0700 From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol) Subject: Arcana/Arc of the Testimony Apologies if this was discussed before. Feel free to reply to personal email if this is the case. I've just been listening to Arcana's Arc of the Testimony, billed as Tony Williams' last session. In the liner notes, Laswell says Williams' died before the project was completed (despite a full CD of music). I'm trying to figure out what this means and what the recording process was. There are a couple of layers of music happening on each track, and they don't interlock very obviously so I'm wondering if Williams and Laswell taped some tracks together, then Laswell brought in the others who played while listening to the tape. Also, the sound of Williams' drums is a bit muddy to my ears, not what you would expect from a Laswell project. Maybe these tapes weren't originally planned for release? Anybody know how the final product came about? Mostly over dubbing after Tony died? I'm also interested in opinions on how well the album works. To my ears, Pharoah and Buckethead have their moments, but overall its pretty static. Thanks. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:13:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase) Subject: Radio Does anyone know the difference between Naked Cities Radio and the import Radio V? - -Theodorus - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:11:27 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: Arcana/Arc of the Testimony At 11:16 AM 7/21/98 -0700, Martin Wisckol wrote: >I've just been listening to Arcana's Arc of the Testimony, billed as >Tony Williams' last session. In the liner notes, Laswell says Williams' >died before the project was completed (despite a full CD of music). I'm >trying to figure out what this means There was a track with Ornette that never happened. Also, Williams never heard the final mixes. >and what the recording process >was. There are a couple of layers of music happening on each track, and >they don't interlock very obviously so I'm wondering if Williams and >Laswell taped some tracks together, then Laswell brought in the others >who played while listening to the tape. Exactly what happened. Bass and drums were recorded first. >Also, the sound of Williams' >drums is a bit muddy to my ears, not what you would expect from a >Laswell project. Maybe these tapes weren't originally planned for >release? This project was in the works for quite a while. I don't find the drums muddy. There is some very deep bass on the CD that could cause some speakers to sound more muddy though. > >Anybody know how the final product came about? Mostly over dubbing >after Tony died? If I remember correctly, all the recording took place before Tony died. By the way, it was originally going to be an ambient recording, but I guess Tony and Bill got carried away. Jeff Spirer B&W Photos: http://www.pomegranates.com/frame/spirer/ Color and B&W Photos: http://www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html Axiom/Material: http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:03:41 -0700 From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com (Martin Wisckol) Subject: Re: Arcana/Arc of the Testimony Thanks! Hard to believe this was at one stage an ambient ambition! And thanks again for answering so many questions. (Altho' as I continue to listen to it this way and that, trying to open my ears up, I wonder how you feel about the CD and what parts you like best about it.) (Looking for listening advice, I suppose, wondering if I'm missing something). - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Reif Subject: Re: Goldberg et al. Cappy D'Angelo wrote: >Speaking of Goldberg, Wollesen, and Trevor Dunn (and John Schott), what do >you guys (non gender specific) think of "Junk Genius". I was quite >disappointed, knowing how talented they all are and have been in other >contexts, by their shows here in Vancouver. Which shows did you see? I found their late night sets at Studio 16 fascinating, the Sunday afternoon one a bit less so. To me there was lots of that dark underside even if they weren't turning bop lines inside out this time but rather country blues and Doc Boggs tunes (although slowed down and atonalized to the point where you'd hardly recognize them). Also I think this is a band you get into partly because the sound/timbral/textural combinations are beautiful and almost mesmerizing in themselves - but that's not as apparent half-way back as from the front row, or through a bad sound system...and let's face it, just about any sound system takes the life out of this kind of music. I didn't think Schott or Goldberg were bored (and of course I wasn't), athough Schott did tell me he was unhappy with the amp he was using, that he couldn't get the sustain he wanted. Maybe the sound is also part of the reason I don't like the Junk Genius record very much. As far as something misssing in Ben's music in general, do people feel the same about his contributions to Light at the Crossroads? IMHO he's right up there with Marty. Tony Tony Reif (Songlines Recordings) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:43:17 +0200 From: "Francisco Fonz-Garcés" Subject: Pachora Chris Speed is a great sax player I know for his working on Bloodcount. He leads a group called Pachora which has made several recordings, some on Songlines. I would like to pick a couple up. Which are your recomendations? Where can I get it? Thanks in advance. Ciao Paco Fonz - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:59:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: pequet@nirvanet.net (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: Re: looking for these >From: FJG_Lamerikx >Subject: Re: looking for these > > >> 3. THE VOORUIT ARTS CENTRE (Ghent, Belgium,Europe) . Mike Patton in >> concert with Han Bennink. > >Hasn't this been scheduled for November/December? If not, thanks for not That is scheduled for 12 November - 8 pm. If you are around why not go listen to Palinckx quartet on 26 october. Etc. And though I only found a yearly program of the Vooruit can't you easily get a monthly program ? Sorry if this is off beat. I have to go to a cybercafe, you know. And I missed the digest #420. Benj - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:21:54 +0000 From: "DURT" Subject: Miscelaneous Hello I'm the new guy in town. I only discover Zorn's music a few years ago. At the same time I was introduced, by my japanese cousin, to the music of the Lounge Lizards, Fred Frith, Geisha Girls and many other good ones. But I have a little problem, I live in Peru and it's very dificult to find these music. Could you give me web-sites where I can buy it, with an international credit card & without a P.O. Box, being sure to have the cd's or videos no matter what happens? I don't expect to see John Zorn playing live in my country, and not because I don't want it, but is there live video versions of anyone of his projects? And, last but not least, if anyone knows the existence of some work betwen John Zorn & Tom Waits? (am I dreaming) Thanks El Duro P.D.: Excuse for my bad writed english, I'm an amateur, an autodidact in languages. If theres anybody who knows spanish or french (japanese not yet) I would be gratefull if she/he writes to me -privately- in that way? - ------ mailto:durt@chavin.rcp.net.pe - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:42:20 -0500 From: Evan Jones Subject: Re: Miscelaneous (IN CRAPPY SPANISH) Durt, Me espanol es no bueno, por favor. (dos anos en un escuala clase que es no buen.) >I'm the new guy in town. como me! :) I only discover Zorn's music a few years >ago. At the same time I was introduced, by my japanese cousin, to the >music of the Lounge Lizards, Fred Frith, Geisha Girls and many other >good ones. Frith es buen, no? But I have a little problem, I live in Peru and it's very >dificult to find these music. Si, si. El mundo es grande, y Zorn gusta Los Estados Unidos y Japon. (Estoy in Tejas, y lo no conozco un solo "gig" de un gropa Zorn aqui) >Could you give me web-sites where I can buy it, with an international >credit card & without a P.O. Box, being sure to have the cd's or >videos no matter what happens? Hmmmm, no conozco, pero www.cdnow.com o www.tunes.com posible ayudan tu. >I don't expect to see John Zorn playing live in my country, and not >because I don't want it, but is there live video versions of anyone >of his projects? Si, pero yo la tengo nada. Lo siento. >And, last but not least, if anyone knows the existence of some work >betwen John Zorn & Tom Waits? (am I dreaming) Un drummer Brian Mantia (ex-Godflesh, ahora el grupo Primus) trabaja con el grupo Praxis con Bill Laswell, un hombre que trabaja con Zorn mucho. Brian trabaja con Waits on el disco compacto "Bone Machine." Pero, yo no conozco un trabaja con Waits y Zorn. >Thanks > >El Duro :) >P.D.: Excuse for my bad writed english, I'm an amateur, an autodidact >in languages. If theres anybody who knows spanish or french >(japanese not yet) I would be gratefull if she/he writes to >me -privately- in that way? Su ingles es no mal, pero mi espanol SUX! ------------------------ "Ya know, I've watched a lot of horror flicks in my day, and all I have to say is DON'T MESS AROUND WITH BOOKS IN LATIN WITH PENTAGRAMS ON THEM!!!" - Ev. http://www.flash.net/~baka/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:21:31 -0400 From: gsg@juno.com (Geoff S Gersh) Subject: Straylight Dialogues Straylight Dialogues w/ Steve Gorn and John Wieczorek Monday, July 27, 1998 - 9 & 11pm Alterknit Theater, Knitting Factory, 74 Leonard St. NYC $8 info / tix 212.219.3006 This second concert of the series highlights cross-cultural extensions as special guests Steve Gorn (Bansuri bamboo flutes, reeds), one of the few westerners recognized to have captured the subtlety and beauty of Indian music, and percussionist John Wieczorek (tablas, frame drums, electronics) join Straylight(Geoff Gersh-gtr, Jason Finkelman-percussion, Charles Cohen-analog buchla music easel) alone and in collaboration. The Straylight Dialogues series is presented every last Monday of the month at the Knitting Factory, and will continue with an emphasis on improvisors combining ambient sound, ethnic and experimental instruments, and collage form. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #423 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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