From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #425 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, July 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 425 In this issue: - RE: Joey Baron Re: dumitrescu/xenakis Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise) Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise) Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise) Re: Miscelaneous web-info about Xenakis, Stockhausen,... New Music in Austin Re: New Music in Austin Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise) Fripp Eno Zorn Austin Music t o m W | A | I | T | S bone-machine JMT Distribution Re: Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise) Re: Dumitrescu Amherst, MA 7/25/98 (i.e. Saturday) Re: JMT Distribution Yet More Tom Waits Re: Goldberg et al. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:43:53 +0000 From: Dwight Haden Subject: RE: Joey Baron >Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:15:57 -0500 >From: Evan Jones >Subject: Joey Baron > > Does anybody know what other bands Joey Baron has been in? I'd be really >interested in finding out ... I think the best showcase for Joey's drumming are the nine (and still counting) DIW John Zorn Masada CD's. Because of it's jazzier nature, Joey takes lots of solos, and he smokes'em all. If you're from a 80's hardcore background, I gotta warn you - Masada's not much like Naked City Torture Garden, so be prepared to open your mind. I recommend Masada's 5,6,1,3,8 for starters but they're all great. I second the recommendations for Frisell/Driscoll/Baron - Live and Miniature - I can't put my finger on it (Baron/Berne/Roberts on JMT) out of print, but still somewhat available. Dwight Haden === dhaden@worldnet.att.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: dumitrescu/xenakis On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Scott Handley wrote: > info on Iancu Dumitrescu and Iannis Xenakis. My searches have led > nowhere, really: very little on Xenakis and nothing on Dumitrescu apart strange because i found quite a bit with Alta Vista. http://www.eskimo.com/~foont/groovy.html#Xenakis http://www.mala.bc.ca/~mcneil/xenakis.htm http://157.27.1.40/germano/eme/compos/xenaia.htm http://www.medieval.org/music/modern/xenakis.html etc... there's also an excellent interview with Xenakis in The Wire #136 (June 1995). hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:20:48 +0200 From: Fritz Feger Subject: Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise) >Is there anyone else like Tom Waits? I know this is a dumb thing to ask, >but are there any other players that come from that old school jazz bad ass >beat hipster singer / poet direction? Not quite alike Tom Waits, but coming from jazz-beat-hipster-poet direction is Kurt Elling. His jazz approach is more new school, and all in all he is very much more close to the jazz idiom than the oddly instrumented "pirate songs" of Tom Waits. His voice sounds like a rougher version of Sting's, he writes, sings themes, scats and speaks, and his lyrics are beatnikish; I kind of like it. Has anyone heard Holly Cole performing Tom Wait's songs? I read that she tours with a complete Waits program, and the critic was enthusiastic about her interpreting the material. Once I heard a pop album of her and was disappointed. Fritz. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:22:40 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise) >>>>> "Fritz" == Fritz Feger writes: Fritz> Has anyone heard Holly Cole performing Tom Wait's songs? I Fritz> read that she tours with a complete Waits program, and the Fritz> critic was enthusiastic about her interpreting the Fritz> material. Once I heard a pop album of her and was Fritz> disappointed. The Waits album is the only Holly Cole I've got, and think she does very nice interpretations. She's backed by a piano trio, plus some guests on various tracks, and the whole thing has a personal, late-night-at-the-club feel to it. There are some samples from the album at cdnow. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change. Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:26:30 -0400 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise) >>>>> "Jason" == Jason Tors writes: Jason> What is his newer stuff like? Does it hold up to the Jason> material I have been chruning around in my disc player? I didn't care for Big Time very much, but Black Rider and Bone Machine are great. I'm not as familiar with Frank's Wild Years or Swordfish, but compared to Rain Dogs there is even more use of unusual and varied instrumentation and vocal effects. They are much closer to Rain Dogs than the piano-bar Nighthawks. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change. Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:46:32 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Miscelaneous > As far as I know, we can only dream. But there aren't that many degrees of > separation, though. There's a Greg Cohen that plays bass on the last 4 or 5 > Waits albums (except "Bone Machine") -- the same Greg Cohen from Masada? > > Marc Ribot also plays on "Franks Wild Years." Yep, Greg and Marc play on Rain Dogs, Frank's Wild Years and Big Time, and Greg also plays on Heartattack & Vine, One From The Heart, Swordfishtrombones and Black Rider. I think Brain was on Bone Machine and Bobby Previte was on Rain Dogs too. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:03:23 +0200 From: Stefan Verstraeten Subject: web-info about Xenakis, Stockhausen,... Hi everyone, A few days ago, someone asked where to find info concerning Iannis Xenakis and other similar composers... well, a good address to start is a japanese page: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ER6G-ITU/otherl.htm hopefully, this will help the person that asked for this info... - -- Stefan Verstraeten - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:03:25 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz Subject: New Music in Austin I will be relocating to Austin TX in about 2 weeks and would appreciate it if any Texan Zornothologists would e-mail me concerning- 1. cool music shopping sites in Austin 2. places to hear interesting music there 3. connections for performing (visit my web site below to see what I'm into) Thanks for your time! - -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:32:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: New Music in Austin On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Jeff Schwartz wrote: > I will be relocating to Austin TX in about 2 weeks and > would appreciate it if any Texan Zornothologists would > e-mail me concerning- > 1. cool music shopping sites in Austin > 2. places to hear interesting music there > 3. connections for performing (visit my web site below to > see what I'm into) The moment you hit town, run, do not walk, to 33 Degrees at 4017 Guadelupe. It's the center of the local musical universe for all such things. Check the Web page at http://www.nd.org/thirty.html - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise) Nope, just real, hip jazz singers -- Mose Allison, Jon Hendricks, Hoagy Carmichael. Oscar Browen Jr. Kurt Elling Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Jason Tors wrote: > > Is there anyone else like Tom Waits? I know this is a dumb thing to ask, > but are there any other players that come from that old school jazz bad ass > beat hipster singer / poet direction? > > Thanks! > > JT > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:21:39 +0000 From: "DURT" Subject: Fripp Eno Zorn Does anyone can tell me, if it exists, common works by Robert Fripp & John Zorn? Does anyone can tell me, if it exists, common works by Brian Eno & John Zorn? And both three? El Duro - ------ mailto:durt@chavin.rcp.net.pe - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:53:19 -0500 From: Evan Jones Subject: Austin Music Hey, does anybody know if the Cherubs are still together while we're discussing austin music? Ev. ------------------------ "Ya know, I've watched a lot of horror flicks in my day, and all I have to say is DON'T MESS AROUND WITH BOOKS IN LATIN WITH PENTAGRAMS ON THEM!!!" - Ev. http://www.flash.net/~baka/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:34:39 -0500 From: Jason Tors Subject: t o m W | A | I | T | S bone-machine I just picked up bone machine. As usual I am thrown off by the album, but digging it all the same. What track does Les play on, I took a quick look at the players but I could not find claypool. Thanks everyone! JT - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:55:36 -0500 From: Dan Hewins Subject: JMT Distribution Hey everyone... What's the story with the JMT discs? I know that Verve was distributing (or something-ing) them at one point because I saw the Verve symbol on some of the JMT discs. My question is, are they all out of print? Are some out of print and others still in print? Should I buy them when I see them? I ask because I see that Amazon.com and other online CD sellers at least claim that they have them in stock. Do they have some and won't be able to reorder? Also on a similar note, why are only some of the W&W discs available in the US now? Some seem to be domestic (i.e. Motian and Big Satan) and others seem to be inports still (i.e. Ducret). Any idea? Thanks in advance... Dan - -------------------------------------- Dan Hewins hewins@synsolutions.com http://people.synsolutions.com/hewins/ "No quote" - - ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 1998 19:23:37 GMT From: Mike_Chamberlain@babylon.montreal.qc.ca (Mike Chamberlain) Subject: Re: Re: Tom Waits requests (reprise) Ken Waxman,cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca,Internet writes: >Nope, just real, hip jazz singers -- Mose Allison, Jon Hendricks, Hoagy >Carmichael. Oscar Browen Jr. Kurt Elling Kurt Elling came immediately to mind. He has a new album out in a few days on Blue Note. I love "The Messenger," and he knocked me out in concert a couple of weeks ago. I did a phone interview with him a while back, and he mentioned that Mark Murphy was a real inspiration for him. He recommended Murphy's "Kerouac" album, but I haven't got a round tuit yet. I second the Hoagy Carmichael rec. Get "Hoagy Sings Carmichael." Also, if you have a sense of humor, check out Al "Jazzbo" Collins doing Steve Allen material. - --Mike On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Jason Tors wrote: >> >> Is there anyone else like Tom Waits? I know this is a dumb thing to ask, >> but are there any other players that come from that old school jazz bad ass >> beat hipster singer / poet direction? > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:04:08 -0400 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: Dumitrescu Resonance vol 6 no 1 has a very good interview with him by Tim Hodgkinson. This issue also features interviews with Butch Morris, George Lewis and John Zorn as well as a CD with tracks from all of them. Excellent magazine! Available from LMC, Unit 3.6, Third Floor, Lafone House, 11-13 Leathermarket Street, London SE1 3HN. We're actually gonna reprint the Dumitrescu interview in our late August issue. Jason - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:26:42 -0400 From: J Kan Subject: Amherst, MA 7/25/98 (i.e. Saturday) ...for those of you within driving distance of bucolic Western Massachusetts: Fire in the Valley 1998 Saturday, July 25 1pm to 11pm Bezanson Recital Hall, Fine Arts Center, U. of Mass, Amherst 1) Peter Broetzmann's Die Like a Dog -- Broetzmann, Roy Campbell, Hamid Drake, William Parker 2) Joe McPhee Wind & String Ensemble -- McPhee reeds & brass, Joe Giardullo flute & reeds, Monica Wilson cello, Rosi Hertlein violin 3) Flaherty/Colbourne 4) Jemeel Moondoc - William Parker Duo -- Moondoc alto sax, Parker bass 5) Glenn Spearman Trio -- Spearman tenor sax, with Rashid Bakr & Matt Goodheart $18 advance at the UMass Fine Arts Center Box Office (413) 545-2511 or (800) 999-UMAS, or $20 at the door I'm not personally affiliated with this event, etc. The usual disclaimers apply. Please disregard if unable to attend. Jim - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:42:29 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: JMT Distribution Dan Hewins wrote: > What's the story with the JMT discs? [snip] My question is, are they all > out of print? No. But most are, by now. > Are some out of print and others still in print? Yes. > Should I buy them when I see them? Probably. > I ask because I see that Amazon.com and other online CD sellers at least > claim that they have them in stock. Do they have some and won't be able to > reorder? When I looked at Amazon earlier today it seemed that a number of the JMTs they had in stock were imports selling for considerably more money. As always, my rule of thumb remains, if you see it and you want it bad, buy it because there might never be a second chance (Art Ensemble of Chicago "Certain Blacks" -- anyone seen it lately, since I missed my chance in '87?). > Also on a similar note, why are only some of the W&W discs available in the > US now? Some seem to be domestic (i.e. Motian and Big Satan) and others > seem to be inports still (i.e. Ducret). Any idea? W&W's American distributor, Allegro, is issuing the discs at the rate of 3-4 per month. Back catalog is being rolled out alongside new releases. This is why everyone else in the world has the new Dave Douglas CD but the U.S. has to wait until an arbitrarily chosen date in mid-August. But I'm not complaining... at least Big Satan is available at last, as is Uri Caine's amazing Mahler disc. (There's an incredibly astute review of the latter in the September issue of Jazz Times, believe it or not. Read it at the news stand.) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:46:02 -0400 From: "Chris Barrett" Subject: Yet More Tom Waits Since this seems to be a relevant topic, and there seem to be lots of Waits fans on the list, I got this from MTV online, of all places: Tom Waits Signs With Epitaph, Looks To Primus For Help On New Album Tom Waits It's finally official. Gravel-throated barroom poet and overall cult legend Tom Waits has inked a deal with California indie punk record label Epitaph that will see the singer release an album of new material early next year. "It's a label run by and for artists and musicians where it feels much more like a partnership than a plantation," Waits said of the seemingly unlikely union in a statement issued late Wednesday. "I feel like I am part of a unique enterprise that runs like a muscle car." The singer is currently holed up in a Northern California studio working with guitarist Mark Ribot, bassist/guitarist Larry Taylor, bassist Greg Cohen, and drummer Steven Hodges, the same team that worked with Waits on 1985's "Rain Dogs" and 1983's "Swordfishtrombones." Waits is also expected to bring Primus into the studio to work on the album, which should arrive in early 1999. The collaboration may be a bit of payback for Waits' guest appearance on Primus' 1991 album "Sailing the Seas of Cheese." The upcoming album will be Waits' first new recording since 1994's "Black Rider." Over the past several years, Waits' legacy has lived on through re-issues and compilations of his earlier work, like the recently released "Beautiful Maladies: the Island Years" which has been drawing rave reviews. The Epitaph deal, which is for one album only, has been in the works for quite sometime, with rumors flying all the while. However, nothing was official until Waits sat down with Epitaph head Brett Gurewitz recently. "We shook on the deal over coffee at a truck stop," Waits said. "I know it's going to be an adventure, and as Warren Oates said, 'It feels good. I think we'll take it all the way.'" Waits now joins an Epitaph roster that also includes punk torchbearers like Rancid, Pennywise, Voodoo Glow Skulls, and Descendents. For more on Tom Waits and Primus, check out the MTV News Gallery. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:47:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Tom Benton Subject: Re: Goldberg et al. Tony Reif wrote... > >As far as something misssing in Ben's music in general, do people feel >the same about his contributions to Light at the Crossroads? IMHO he's >right up there with Marty. > Yeah, I would agree he's "up there with Marty" as far as his abilities on the horn go, and I might even go so far as to say that he's got the most distinctive voice of all the clarinet players I'm listening to right now (haven't heard Houle yet though...might have to take that back when I finally get around to picking up the Carter record). And speaking of Goldberg, I should mention one of his albums that I brought up here a couple of days ago and have been listening to pretty ravenously since its release Tuesday, "Twelve Minor". I had originally heard this described as "a New Klezmer Trio concept expended for sextet", which is a reasonably decent description...while a large portion of the NKT's repitoire was traditional klez tunes that they proceeded to blow the crap out of, all the compositions on here are Goldberg's; they retain vague nuances of the scales and harmonies I hear in Jewish music, while avoiding any blatant "harmonic minor in yo' face" action. The band is Ben (clarinets), Rob Sudduth (tenor sax), Carla Kihlstedt (violin), Miya Masaoko (koto), Trevor Dunn (bass), and Kenny Wollesen (drums). Everyone sounds really nice and gets a chance to stretch out both in solo spots and in slamming free-jazz blasting sessions. Admittedly, a lot of Miya's playing is pretty buried (or maybe she's just laying out) during the rowdier portions, but when Ben, Rob, and Carla quit and it's just Trevor and Kenny chattering along, she'll come from out of nowhere and play something totally perfect. The first track on here is entitled "Statement of Themes on Contra-Alto Clarinet" and that's exactly what it is. It really gets me cause it's totally what Goldberg does...all the little nuances of his playing are just thrown into stark relief on this solo piece. All in all, an excellent record, one of my favorite Avant releases by far. I saw a Miya Masaoko/George Lewis duet record at Tower yesterday...anybody heard this? I've always been partial to the t-bone, and this new koto fascination has got me really interested in checking this one out... - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #425 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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