From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #455 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, September 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 455 In this issue: - twofer Re: twofer Re: Re: twofer haino Re: twofer Keiji Haino Molde-Knitting Factory Keiji Haino Re: Keiji Haino Re: Keiji Haino Re: Keiji Haino Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #454 Re: News For Lulu Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #454 news for lulu tricky. Re: twofer Zorn List Digest V2 #454 Paul Simon Re: News & More News For Lulu RE: Paul Simon Re: Eugene In Ventura Re: Eugene In Ventura New Zorn Releases? Re: Paul Simon san fran shows Re: Paul Simon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:17:12 EDT From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: twofer ok. not a big deal, but i finally broke down and bought plexure by john oswald. i had it on tape for a while and decided to break my dollar a minute rule and buy the damn thing outright. the disc clocks in at about 19:30, but i don't think most people would want any more than that. if you are not familiar, plexure is a plunderphonic record. oswald manipulates samples of music you'll probably recognize and weaves them together to make soundscapes (for lack of a better term). also, i'm not really upset that its only about 20 min long because i have done some of this kind of thing myself (though not to this refined degree, by any stretch of the imagination) and i appreciate how long this kind of thing takes. definitely getting heavy rotation. anybody have a list of ALL the samples? now for the twofer. does anyone (patrice?) know of any "good" (you guys know what i mean) cd stores in wash. dc? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 02:26:48 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: twofer Sulacco@aol.com wrote: > now for the twofer. does anyone (patrice?) know of any "good" (you guys know > what i mean) cd stores in wash. dc? Ghod, I wish I did. The CD scene here in DC is pretty pathetic. I save up for runs into NYC for serious music-related wallet damage. OTOH, if there was good CD snarfage to be had here, I'd probably be utterly broke. - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:29:02 EDT From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: twofer In a message dated 9/7/98 2:27:35, you wrote: >OTOH, if there was good CD snarfage to be had here, I'd probably be >utterly broke. kind of a double edged sword, huh? - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:32:47 EDT From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: haino >) What's your opinion on "Allegorical Misunderstanding". In all the interviews and articles I have on Haino, this one seems to attract the least attention. before you know it, this will be the only thing you listen to (at least for a while). i was kinda disappointed when i first got this. then i gave it another chance. i found some things i liked. i kept listening. i liked more and more of it. all of a sudden, i didn't need a 5 disc changer anymore. i recommend it highly. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 02:36:17 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: twofer Sulacco@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/7/98 2:27:35, you wrote: > > >OTOH, if there was good CD snarfage to be had here, I'd probably be > >utterly broke. > > kind of a double edged sword, huh? Well, broke but happy :-) Fortunately, I just got a box of CDs I ordered over the Net from Downtown Music Gallery in NYC, so I'm not *too* grunged out over the local CD scene at the moment... - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:56:00 +0000 From: Simon Hopkins Subject: Keiji Haino >Excuse me if this is slightly off subject, but after all Zorn and Haino have >collaborated in the past... > You might be interested in our review of Fushitsusha's "The Wisdom Prepared" - complete with sound samples - on motion: http://www.state51.co.uk/motion/ cheers simon and dan @ state51 simon hopkins a c/o state51 91 brick lane london e1 c 00 44 (0)973 654 276 e simon@state51.co.uk or shopkins@globalnet.co.uk worldwide representation for: kevin martin (techno animal, ice, the sidewinder, the bug) justin broadrick (godflesh, techno animal, ice, the sidewinder) paul schütze (7°, phantom city) the sons of silence arashi vs red king magus designs nikky twyman on-line editing and proofreading sh is an associate member of the state51 conspiracy check out the ---+ motion website: http://www.state51.co.uk/motion/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:46:11 +0 From: "GEIR STORLI" Subject: Molde-Knitting Factory Hi There. I went to a internet- relayed concert at the Molde International Jazz Festival, with Molvaer, Terje Rypdal, DJ Soulswinger and Bill Laswell on stage in Molde, but I never really got to hear who played at the Knitting Factory. All I can remember know is that there were an acoustic bass and a drum kit. I know the chances are slim that anyone should know who these were, but if anyone out there would know who these were could you please, please send me the names. Cheers. Geir Inge Storli - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 11:06:22 -0500 From: Craig Rath Subject: Keiji Haino Speaking of Haino - someone a while back posted that Haino was going to be playing at Tonic in NY in October. Does anyone have any more specific information about that yet? Their web page only goes up through the 3rd or 4th or October. I'm planning to make a trip out there soon and need to know when the best time would be to coincide with his performances. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 12:47:38 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Keiji Haino > I've fallen completely in love with Haino's Fushitsusha recently, and an > imminent business trip to Japan will put me in the position of being able to > buy some more of the good man's releases. So here are my questions: Get Fushitsusha's 'Double Live' (PSF 15/16) for sure. Of the solo stuff, I love 'I Said, This Is The Son Of Nihilism' but that's regularly available in the US. Anything on Tokuma or Mom N' Dad you should get as they are Japanese labels that aren't too good at making it into the US cheaply. PSF is actually quite easy to get at a good price here. > 3) Is the 4CD box set "The Soul's True Love" still available? Yep. At least at Forced Exposure it is. You might as well pick up whatever Masayuki Takayanagi you can find too (especially the non-PSF stuff) -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 23:42:49 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Keiji Haino Craig Rath wrote: > Speaking of Haino - someone a while back posted that Haino was going to be > playing at Tonic in NY in October. Does anyone have any more specific > information about that yet? Last week of October, most probably Oct. 28-31 but I can't swear to it and don't have the original post anymore. (I can swear that the 30th is one of the dates in question, so that's what I base the rest of this guess upon.) And I've also just learned that High Rise is playing during that same period at the East Village club Brownies. Next thing you know, someone will post that Ghost is playing at the Cooler the same night... ;-) By the way, Haino's four new Tokuma releases are reviewed in the new issue of The Wire. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Keiji Haino On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Steve Smith wrote: > Last week of October, most probably Oct. 28-31 but I can't swear to it and hadn't heard about Haino coming to the US. > I've also just learned that High Rise is playing during that same period at the > East Village club Brownies. yes, October 31st. hasta. --dk Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 10:37:01 +0200 From: Cerato Marco Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #454 Hi everybody!! Does anybody have an opoinion about "News for Lulu" and "More news for Lulu"? Does anybody know if John Zorn comes in Italy soon? Grettings from Italy!!!! - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:03:49 -0400 From: "hijk" Subject: Re: News For Lulu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDDAFF.363C9EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "News for Lulu" was the first context in which I'd seen Zorn (and = Frisell) live. I only wish that the trio would get together again for = another gig or record. The albums themselves opened the world of Blue = Note to me throught the works of Sonny Clark, Hank Mobley, Kenny Dorham = and Freddie Redd. The alto/guitar/trombone instrumentation sounds fresh = (to me) and it really lets you hear both the tunes and the players ideas = more clearly. Jeff Kent If you love Sonny Clark check out The Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet - = "Voodoo". - ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDDAFF.363C9EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"News for Lulu" was the first context in = which I'd=20 seen Zorn (and Frisell) live.  I only wish that the trio would get = together=20 again for another gig or record.  The albums themselves opened the = world of=20 Blue Note to me throught the works of Sonny Clark, Hank Mobley, Kenny = Dorham and=20 Freddie Redd.  The alto/guitar/trombone instrumentation sounds = fresh (to=20 me) and it really lets you hear both the tunes and the players ideas = more=20 clearly.
 
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If you love Sonny Clark check out The Sonny Clark = Memorial=20 Quartet - "Voodoo".
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDDAFF.363C9EA0-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Ross Davis Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #454 > Does anybody have an opoinion about "News for Lulu" and "More news > for Lulu"? They're both excellent discs of Zorn playing trad bebop tunes w/ George Lewis and Bill Frisell. Highly recommended, but don't expect too much jump cutting. These are examples of Zorn's "straightest" playing, outside of Masada, and quite enjoyable. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | m - a - t - t - h - e - w | r - o - s - s | d - a - v - i - s | | | | http://www.artswire.org/mrd | | | | | | | UMD school of music | | | | m-e-t-a-t-r-o-n p-r-e-s-s | | | http://www.artswire.org/comma | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 08:22:47 -0700 From: Anne & Dan Dellosso Subject: news for lulu news for lulu and more news for lulu are pretty much the same. the first is a studio date and the second is a live date with the exception of one misha mengelberg song. its a trio with great playing by all, no rythm section, frisell holds it together pretty well though. they play tunes by older jazz players like dorham, mobley, redd and sonny clark. if you like it another project that is close is the sonny clark memorial quartet put out on black saint records, it features zorn, horvitz, previte and drummond playing sonny clark standards. dan - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 16:04:56 +0000 From: patRice Subject: tricky. hi y'all... don't know if anyone's insterested in the following information, but i'll let you know anyhow... besides marc ribot & greg cohen, you can also hear doug wieselman on tricky's latest offering "angels..." patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:19:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Brent Burton Subject: Re: twofer On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 Sulacco@aol.com wrote: > now for the twofer. does anyone (patrice?) know of any "good" (you guys know > what i mean) cd stores in wash. dc? your best bet for *outside* music is probably vinyl ink in silver spring. they regularly pick up new stuff from forced exposure (for example i just bought arthur doyle's "alabama feeling" there). they're open friday through sunday. b - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 98 12:13:31 -0300 From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #454 >Does anybody have an opinion about "News for Lulu" and "More news for >Lulu" For me both are pretty great albums. Absolutely worth listening, with amazing playing from Zorn, Lewis and Frisell (specially). I've got great difficulty to buy "More News...", but when I finally got it, I enjoyed it a lot. As Matthew Davis said, "Highly recommended". - -Hugo (from Argentina) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:08:43 +0400 From: "Edward Lutiy" Subject: Paul Simon Hi! I saw Paul Simon's photo in a record shop yesterday. Maybe he's a jew too? Shall I wait for "Great Jewish Music: Paul Simon" CD ??? Ed. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:01:26 +0400 From: "Edward Lutiy" Subject: Re: News & More News For Lulu Hello! Dan Dellosso wrote: >news for lulu and more news for lulu are pretty much the same. In my opinion they are not the same. "More News" has more free interpretations of the tunes, it's not so "straight", the pieces are longer. The tunes are almost the same but they sound different. >the first is a studio date and the second is a live date with the exception >of one misha mengelberg song. And one John Patton composition. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:58:38 +0200 From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: Paul Simon > I saw Paul Simon's photo in a record shop yesterday. > Maybe he's a jew too? Yeah, you can always recognize a Jew by the nose. BTW: what was the name of the guy in a black shirt, who said something like that more than 50 years back? Or: did you saw a photo of naked Simon? __________________________________________________________________ Artur Rosenzweig [arno@silesia.top.DEATHTOSPAMMERS.pl] www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell / update soon... - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:53:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua A Miller Subject: Re: Eugene In Ventura On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Keith McMullen wrote: > Music for Prepared Toaster, Shoe, Screwdriver, and Large Coffee Percolator > transcended the genre. > > Stunning. > > s~Z > > > having been there as well(much thanks for posting it here,keith, otherwise i never would have known about it), i must say that i agree 100%. for anyone in san fransisco who can't wait until the zorn dates, chadbourne will be playing a few nights this week, including an in-store appearance at amoeba (the one on haight) on thursday night, backed by a country-western band(!) called the earnest tubb memorial band, or something like that. i'm actually going to be up there for that show, but i was almost at the point of tears when i found out the first zorn show is the day after i have to leave. sigh. josh - ------------------- Joshua A Miller umillj08@umail.ucsb.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:49:09 -0700 From: "Keith McMullen" Subject: Re: Eugene In Ventura <> He frequently sneaks through Santa Barbara unannounced. Keep your eyes peeled. Of course you'll probably be in SF when he's in SB. I saw Masada in SB several years back with no mention of it in the usual places. s~Z - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:28:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: New Zorn Releases? Are Aporias, The Bribe, and/or Ganryu Island due out today, or are they later in the month? I couldn't get a clear answer from where I looked on the Tzadik site. - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:49:41 EDT From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Paul Simon << > I saw Paul Simon's photo in a record shop yesterday. > Maybe he's a jew too? Yeah, you can always recognize a Jew by the nose. BTW: what was the name of the guy in a black shirt, who said something like that more than 50 years back? Or: did you saw a photo of naked Simon? >> Hhhhhmmmmmm........... Do we REALLY need to humor this kind of attitude, AT ALL, on this platform? I certainly don't. Dale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:11:24 EDT From: APoesia794@aol.com Subject: san fran shows >>Just thought you folks would be interested: the concert dates are at Slim's >>in San Francisco on Sept. 15 and 16; the first concert is billed as "An >>Evening with John Zorn, Mike Patton and Dave Lombardo." >>The one on the 16th is "John Zorn's Xu-Feng with Trey Spruance, John Schott, >>Chris Brown, Dave Slusser, Dave Lombardo and William Winant / Mike Patton's >>Feedback Etudes and Phono Sanjo." is anyone planning on going to either of these shows? please email me privately. thanks a lot jason apoesia794@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: 08 Sep 1998 23:36:57 GMT From: Mike_Chamberlain@babylon.montreal.qc.ca (Mike Chamberlain) Subject: Re: Paul Simon Artur Nowak,arno@silesia.top.pl,Internet writes: >> I saw Paul Simon's photo in a record shop yesterday. >> Maybe he's a jew too? > >Yeah, you can always recognize a Jew by the nose. BTW: what was the name >of the guy in a black shirt, who said something like that more than 50 >years back? Arthur, I think you're going just a bit overboard here. So Paul Simon looks Jewish to someone because of his nose or whatever. It's hardly the same as saying that the only good Jew is a dead one, and then acting on that thought. >Or: did you saw a photo of naked Simon? Well, you can't tell that way either. From the waist down, even I look Jewish (and I also have a rather large schnozz). Two out of two isn't good enough. :-) - --Mike - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #455 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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