From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #475 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, September 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 475 In this issue: - Re: Collection arrangements Re: Collection arrangements Re: collecting music Re: Collecting Music Re: collecting music Re: collecting music Re: collecting music Re: collecting music Re: collecting music Re: 4+1 Ensemble Re[2]: Collection arrangements Re[2]: Collecting Music Recent Reading, was Re[2]: collecting music Re: Collecting Music JZ at Merkin Hall, October 21 Re: Recent Reading, was Re[2]: collecting music ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:18:23 -0400 From: Dan Given Subject: Re: Collection arrangements >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 24 Sep 98 15:07:24 -0500 >From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu >Subject: Re: Collection arrangements > > > In fact, it was rather traumatic when my recent first purchase of a >Rabih Abou-Khalil release necessitated displacing Muhal from a long-held >position at the front of my collection. Muhal Richard Abrams: the Roger Maris of >new music. > >Brian Olewnick Hey Brian, would acquisition of the Aaly Trio + Vandermark (Gustafsson/Vandermark/Peter Jansson/Kjell Nordeson) discs require therapy? Personally, I've always subscribed to the theory that letters not in words go first, so AMM gets the top left corner of the first shelving unit. Dan - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:54:16 +0000 From: Scott Chamberlin Subject: Re: Collection arrangements Dan Given wrote: > Hey Brian, would acquisition of the Aaly Trio + Vandermark > (Gustafsson/Vandermark/Peter Jansson/Kjell Nordeson) discs require therapy? Any thoughts on this album? - -Scott Chamberlin chambest@cs.purdue.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:03:36 -0700 From: Jeff Spirer Subject: Re: collecting music At 11:53 PM 9/24/98 -0400, Steve Smith wrote: >Mark Saleski wrote: > >> there's a great book i read a while back: High Fidelity by Nick Hornby. > >Fabulous book... >Gotta find that book about collectors Jeff recommended... There is a big difference between these two books (the one I referenced was _Hunters & Gatherers_ by Geoff Nicholson. _High Fidelity_ is an enjoyable book, but the writing isn't particularly interesting. Nicholson is much more Zornian in his writing, with fits and starts, quick bits, rude noises, and some highly improbable juxtapositions that seem out of place until the whole is assimilated. Nicholson has clearly absorbed Burroughs, Ballard, Selby et al and created something that follows in that vein, in other words, something in which the writing becomes as interesting as the piece. While we are on literature, and I will not take much more time with this off-topic wandering, the most interesting book I have read lately (and I read quite a few) is _The Insult_ (I've loaned out the book and can't remember the author's name, but you can find it at amazon.com), a maniacal excursion through the mind of a man blinded by a gun wound who discovers he can see at night. Sex, violence, incest, strip clubs, criminals, ancient rivalries - it has all of this plus great writing. And now back to music... Jeff Spirer Axiom/Material: www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ Photography: www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:21:01 EDT From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: Collecting Music here's a question i have wrestled with for quite some time: if one files cds alpha by artist/composer, where would you put 2 live crew? i figured, since it starts with a number, it goes before "a". thoughts, coments, suggestions? btw, i can't bring myself to get rid of it, if only because it was outlawed in florida... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:28:20 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: collecting music In a message dated 9/25/98 1:09:52 AM, jeffs@hyperreal.org wrote: <> It's by Rupert Thomson, and it's part of the amazing Vintage Crime/Black Lizard series. That being said, I found it one of the least compelling of the series. I'd recommend reading pretty much anything by Jim Thompson before this one, or anything by Charles Willeford. Just my opinion, Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:32:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Saidel Eric J Subject: Re: collecting music According to Jeff Spirer: > > At 11:53 PM 9/24/98 -0400, Steve Smith wrote: > >Mark Saleski wrote: > > > >> there's a great book i read a while back: High Fidelity by Nick Hornby. > > > >Fabulous book... > > >Gotta find that book about collectors Jeff recommended... > > There is a big difference between these two books (the one I referenced was > _Hunters & Gatherers_ by Geoff Nicholson. _High Fidelity_ is an enjoyable > book, but the writing isn't particularly interesting. Dragged me out of lurking again. Coincidentally, I just read this book (because I couldn't resist the title and I really enjoyed Hornby's new one, _About a Boy_). I thought the writing was spot on. He wasn't doing that much *experimentation* with his writing technique, but the writing fit the story perfectly. As Steve said, though, don't read this book expecting it to be about music; music figures in the story, but it's really a story about relationships and not being a kid any more, but not knowing how to be an adult. > Nicholson is much > more Zornian in his writing, with fits and starts, quick bits, rude noises, > and some highly improbable juxtapositions that seem out of place until the > whole is assimilated. Nicholson has clearly absorbed Burroughs, Ballard, > Selby et al and created something that follows in that vein, in other > words, something in which the writing becomes as interesting as the piece. > > While we are on literature, and I will not take much more time with this > off-topic wandering, the most interesting book I have read lately (and I > read quite a few) is _The Insult_ (I've loaned out the book and can't > remember the author's name, but you can find it at amazon.com), a maniacal > excursion through the mind of a man blinded by a gun wound who discovers he > can see at night. Sex, violence, incest, strip clubs, criminals, ancient > rivalries - it has all of this plus great writing. Jeez, sounds incredibly pleasant! > > And now back to music... yes. - - eric > > Jeff Spirer > Axiom/Material: www.hyperreal.org/axiom/ > Photography: www.hyperreal.org/~jeffs/gallery.html > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:45:01 +1000 From: Peter Hollo Subject: Re: collecting music I have my music arranged in alphabetical order. Crazy, huh? No actually, there's more to it than that: Rock/pop goes in alphabetical order. Then dance/electronic gets its own section in alphabetical order. Compilations are in their own pile separately for rock/pop (including here soundtracks) and separately again for dance/electronic. Then the Tzadik/jazz/klezmer etc gets its own pile (I have too many CDs to fit in CD racks, my room wouldn't fit 'em all!) Also, odd-shaped CDs, digi-packs etc, get their own pile, one for rock/pop and one for dance/electronic. Then there's extremely large piles of singles, as usual separated into rock/pop and dance/electronic. Then there's the (rather large) classical pile, and the avant-garde classical (the latter merges somewhat with the Tzadik etc pile) and that just about covers it all. Of course then there's also the vinyl collection - lots of it vertically (spine perpendicular to the ground) collected, plus all the more recent dance/electronic stuff in its own pile. Almost all of this is arranged alphabetically because if it wasn't even _I_ couldn't find things - there's just too much! Unfortunately this way makes it easy for my brother to pinch stuff ;) Peter. - -- Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet http://www.fourplay.com.au "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:12:33 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: collecting music Saidel Eric J wrote [regarding "High Fidelity" by Nick Hornby]: > music figures in the story, but it's really a story about > relationships and not being a kid any more, but not knowing how to > be an adult. "Spot on" analysis, Eric! Really lovely. Wish I could have been so precise and concise. Still, I do plan on finding "Hunters & Gatherers," the book Jeff has so illuminatingly described - it sounds irresistible, actually, given Jeff's choice of words! I've been on an all-DeLillo kick lately, so, to paraphrase Gang of Four, the change will do me good. And hey, Zornlist charter aside, I quite *like* the idea of getting literary suggestions from folks with whom I'm musically in sync... (But to simultaneously suck up to the charter - damn, Masada sure were great tonight at Tonic, even if all I could see of the band were the scroll of the neck of Greg's bass and occasionally the top of Dave's head...) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:20:29 +0000 From: Scott Chamberlin Subject: Re: collecting music This thread gave me a little deja vu, about this time last year we were discussing the same thing. >From messages dated around November 16, 1997 >I've started experimenting with storing CDs by genre instead of the >previous method of simply alphabetical by artist. >The best filing method i've ever heard of is colour of spine >How about by height? >random access method works for me. I wonder what would be the most repeated topics for this list? I know that over the three years I have been lurking here we have had repeated discussions over "jazz snob eat shit", "long off topic threads complaining about off topic posts", and the "Zappa rocks/sucks debate". Maybe it just means that these are the most important unresolved issues in this realm (the collection organization paradox?). I didn't post this to try and generate a flurry of posts of everyone giving their own opinion of what they think is the most repeated topic, but just as some food for thought. - -Scott Chamberlin chambest@cs.purdue.edu Peter Hollo wrote: > > I have my music arranged in alphabetical order. Crazy, huh? > > No actually, there's more to it than that: Rock/pop goes in alphabetical > order. Then dance/electronic gets its own section in alphabetical order. > Compilations are in their own pile separately for rock/pop (including > here soundtracks) and separately again for dance/electronic. Then theDate: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:41:25 -0500 (EST) From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: CD filing << > > I've started experimenting with storing CDs by genre instead of the > > previous method of simply alphabetical by artist, and I've ended up > The best filing method i've ever heard of is colour-of-spine. How about by height? :) >> Random access method works for me. =dgasque= > Tzadik/jazz/klezmer etc gets its own pile (I have too many CDs to fit in > CD racks, my room wouldn't fit 'em all!) Also, odd-shaped CDs, > digi-packs etc, get their own pile, one for rock/pop and one for > dance/electronic. Then there's extremely large piles of singles, as > usual separated into rock/pop and dance/electronic. > Then there's the (rather large) classical pile, and the avant-garde > classical (the latter merges somewhat with the Tzadik etc pile) and that > just about covers it all. Of course then there's also the vinyl > collection - lots of it vertically (spine perpendicular to the ground) > collected, plus all the more recent dance/electronic stuff in its own > pile. > Almost all of this is arranged alphabetically because if it wasn't even > _I_ couldn't find things - there's just too much! Unfortunately this way > makes it easy for my brother to pinch stuff ;) > > Peter. > -- > Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html > FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet > http://www.fourplay.com.au > "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and > your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag. > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:26:55 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: 4+1 Ensemble > Wayne's earlier solo release is "Monologues". I concur - both > Monologues and the new 4+1 disc are of a kind, and excellent. I found some sound clips and they sounded like a kind of jazzy version of Bill Frisell's Quartet (because of the violin and trombone I guess). How do they compare when you listen to the whole thing? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 98 08:19:27 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re[2]: Collection arrangements Dan wrote: >Personally, I've always subscribed to the theory that letters not in words >go first, so AMM gets the top left corner of the first shelving unit. Dan, believe me, I've given (no pun intended) serious thought to this (well, half-serious). I'm operating under the assumption that AMM is, in fact, some mysterious acronym that'll one day be discovered and I'm laying money that the first word doesn't begin with "Ab". I'll check the Vegas line and see if I can get a bet down. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 98 08:22:36 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re[2]: Collecting Music >here's a question i have wrestled with for quite some time: >if one files cds alpha by artist/composer, where would you put 2 live crew? i >figured, since it starts with a number, it goes before "a". thoughts, coments, >suggestions? Same place I put my sole 3rd Bass CD: under "T". The only other discs I own where this comes up are those by 8 Bold Souls. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 98 08:41:00 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Recent Reading, was Re[2]: collecting music Steve Smith wrote: >And hey, Zornlist charter aside, I quite *like* the idea of getting literary >suggestions from folks with whom I'm musically in sync... I'd been thinking of broaching this topic here for a couple of months. After all, there is _some_ Zornian precedent in that he used to list recent readings on the Tzadik site. I'd also find interesting the reading habits of folk here (for that matter, I'd be curious about which, if any, visual artists you people enjoy). So, if Mr. Rizzi doesn't object, Some recent literary goodies: How the Mind Works Steven Pinker One of the better layperson's overviews of recent cognitive research with a great deal of food for thought. If you've read related books by Dennett, Minsky, et al, you'll enjoy it. Underworld Don Delillo What'd you think Steve? I found it a bit uneven, though the upsides are higher than most you'll find elsewhere. Some gorgeous writing and an enjoyable, for me, baseball thread. Strong Opinions Vladmir Nabokov Wonderful essays and curmudgeonly criticism by, IMHO, likely the finest English language writer this century. He had a unique combination of Old World grace and a wickedly mordant sense of humor. Plus you learn about butterflies. Has gotten me to begin rereading 'Ulysses'. Highly recommended. Jon Abbey mentioned Jim Thompson. Earlier this year, I read through virtually his entire canon (first time I'd read him). Uneven, but the best are a great deal of fun and a lot sicker than any of the movies based on them. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:15:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert A. Pleshar" Subject: Re: Collecting Music Numbers alphabetize alphabetically by the spelling of the number in most library alphebetization systems. Therefore, 2 Live Crew would be filed under "Two" in my collection, right between Twisted Sister and Charles Tyler. Yuk, yuk. Actually, I only wish I had some Twisted Sister "I wanna rock!" I also wish I had the Luke Campbell album "I've got something on my mind" if only for the cover (luke sitting on a toilet reading a newspaper). In the sake of disclosure, I just keep everything in alphabetical order. People like Little Richard, Litle Walter, etc. give me some concern though. (File under "L' or "R"?) I'm not going to use their "real" names, so I usually file these sorts of names as if they were group names (i.e. under "L" for Little Richard). Obsessively yours, Ralph At 01:21 AM 9/25/98 EDT, you wrote: >here's a question i have wrestled with for quite some time: > >if one files cds alpha by artist/composer, where would you put 2 live crew? i >figured, since it starts with a number, it goes before "a". thoughts, coments, >suggestions? > >btw, i can't bring myself to get rid of it, if only because it was outlawed in >florida... > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 98 09:10:26 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: JZ at Merkin Hall, October 21 "The John Zorn Ensemble" is playing Merkin (NYC) on 10/21. No program is listed, but the performers include Mark Feldman, Erik Friedlander, Anthony Coleman, Stephen Drury, Jim Pugliese, William Winant and "others". Any idea of the program, Mr. Drury? Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:43:02 -0400 From: Caleb Deupree Subject: Re: Recent Reading, was Re[2]: collecting music >>>>> "brian" == brian olewnick writes: brian> Underworld Don Delillo brian> What'd you think Steve? I found it a bit uneven, brian> though the upsides are higher than most you'll find brian> elsewhere. Some gorgeous writing and an enjoyable, for me, brian> baseball thread. I *loved* this, and think it's one of DDL's best works, up there with the Names. It has the subtle underpinnings of paranoia that characterize DeLillo for me, and a complex structure that converges on the Event from many different angles. I always had the feeling that something vaguely sinister was happening, even if I couldn't articulate what it was. Underworld started a year of long novels, which also included Mason & Dixon and Infinite Jest. The trouble with all these ultra long, excessive, complex novels is that you have to read them twice to figure out what's what. I find that they're also spoilers for ordinary novels, which don't seem as interesting any more (in much the same way that alternative pop doesn't sound interesting after Naked City). Love this thread. I'm saving these book related messages the same way I saved all the top 20s last year. - --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions... funny thing about opinions, they can change. Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso) - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #475 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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