From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #516 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, November 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 516 In this issue: - Hanrahan Re: Whoops, I'm an Indian yankees PIGPEN aller et a venir in mons, belgium Re: Kip Hanrahan Re: Kip Hanrahan Re: PIGPEN Ackley/Dresser/Justin Time/Piazzola etc Re: Re: PIGPEN Keiji Haino New address for Screwgun website RE: Re: PIGPEN Re: Re: PIGPEN Improvised Music New York 1981 Re: Improvised Music New York 1981 Re: Improvised Music New York 1981 guitar music Re: guitar music Re: Ackley/Dresser/Justin Time/Piazzola etc Re: Improvised Music New York 1981 Re: PIGPEN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:58:59 -0500 From: Sean Terwilliger Subject: Hanrahan It seems to me, that the new Shadow Nights CD is exactly the same as Thousand Nights and A night, released last year. The track listing @ tower and CD connection is the same, the cover image is the same... Perhaps Justin Time is just re-issuing the series with a new title??? They've got a Shadow nights 2 listed as forthcoming on their site. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:53:21 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Whoops, I'm an Indian In a message dated 10/30/98 10:19:50 AM, brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote: <> I bought a copy of this yesterday at Other Music, largely based on the well- written review at Simon Hopkins' Motion site (http://www.state51.co.uk/motion/). I haven't heard it yet. still recovering from the power of Keiji Haino, Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:50:40 -0500 From: jtalbot@massart.edu Subject: yankees i just saw the re-issue of "yankees" in the record store yesterday. when was this released? any reviews of the album would be appreciated. also someone mentioned a new zorn piece to be recorded by dave lombardo and mike patton. anyone know aything about this piece? thanks mucho. jt - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:43:23 -0600 (CST) From: Vlad-Drac@webtv.net (Theo Klaase) Subject: PIGPEN I have Pigpen's "Half Rack" album and I think it's just great....Does anyone know how good the other albums are? Which one is best, etc....? Any info appreciated. (Email me pivately) Thanks! }Theodorus-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:52:30 +0100 From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: aller et a venir in mons, belgium Here is the schedule of the concerts at LA MEDIATHEQUE in Mons, Belgium for this season. And an announcement for the magazine they publish. RESEAU D'EXPRESSIONS LIBRES The concerts start at 4 or 5 pm. 100 BEF Auditorium de la Mediatheque 24 rue de la Seuwe, Ilot de la Grand-Place 7000 Mons, Belgium, tel +32 65 311349 21/11 5 pm Arnaud Methivier 05/12 4 pm Leonid Soybelman Jean-Marc Montera + Dominique Regef 23/01 4 pm Luzmilia Carpio 06/03 5 pm Gunter Muller + Voice Crack DISCO GRAPHIE (LA REVUE MUSICALE ANTI-FUN) is a magazine published every other month or so, that I consider unique in the perspective of a critical approach to contemporary expressions, the last edition is already number 24. This is for if you read French. Please contact: P. Hemptinne, La Mediatheque, 24 rue de la Seuwe, 7000 Mons, Belgium, tel +32 65 311349, fax +32 65 312603 (or email me and I will forward or try to answer) Benjamin Pequet - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:46:13 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Kip Hanrahan At 01:23 PM 10/28/98 -0500, brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote: > > Anyone heard Hanrahan's 'Shadow Nights 1' yet, recently released by > Justin Time/American Clave? Much as I like his work (especially the > mid to late 80's things), I'm beginning to get the suspicion that > lately he's simply been draining the vaults. Wondering how long Don > Pullen's going to continue appearing on KH's issues. I've kind of been hoping someone else might have had more definite information, but I remember reading somewhere (the exact reference eludes me) that Hanrahan had some large number (16 sticks in my head, but that's admittedly a large number) of albums in the can. Although further discussion of Shadow Nights leads me to think it's a rename of a previous release, perhaps we can expect previously unreleased material from the band at some point in the future. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Computers are useless; they can only give you answers - -- Pablo Picasso - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:59:15 -0500 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: Kip Hanrahan Caleb T. Deupree wrote: > I've kind of been hoping someone else might have had more definite > information, but I remember reading somewhere (the exact reference eludes > me) that Hanrahan had some large number (16 sticks in my head, but that's > admittedly a large number) of albums in the can. Although further > discussion of Shadow Nights leads me to think it's a rename of a previous > release, perhaps we can expect previously unreleased material from the band > at some point in the future. Yeah, I'm totally confused now as to whether this one's new or not. One point though: I think Sean mentioned that he thought the covers of the previous release and this one were the same. They're not; ATON&AN had a burnt orange-ish cover with, I think Cindy Blackman's photo. This one has a purple-ish blue cover with, I'm guessing, Lucy Penabaz. But Steve said the new one's had delayed distribution in the US and I saw this one in Tower (NYC) over a week ago. Maybe this is just the latest step in Hanrahan's willful obscurantism. If anyone can straighten this out decisively, please do! Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:23:45 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: PIGPEN > I have Pigpen's "Half Rack" album and I think it's just great....Does > anyone know how good the other albums are? Which one is best, etc....? > > Any info appreciated. (Email me pivately) Thanks! I've got Daylight and Miss Ann. The former contains some slower parts on piano and electric piano and my impression of it is generally jazzier. Miss Ann is a bit more weird, using more fusion-style keyboard sounds, and covering Triggerfingers and Eric Dolphy's Miss Ann. I've heard that V As In Victim (on the Avant label) is great too, and have been searching for it at a reasonable price, to no avail. It seems that all their cds are great. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:47:35 -0500 (EST) From: William York Subject: Ackley/Dresser/Justin Time/Piazzola etc > I'm curious to hear about Ackley's "straight-ahead" disc. Not that the > ROVA boys don't have roots, but how close to the mainstream does this one > get? Are they Ackley's tunes or rep tunes? They're mostly original, with one by Duck Baker (one of the best). When I said straight ahead, I basically meant it has changes, most of the time, and is in countable (swing) time. Also not a lot of extended techniques. I would say this IS mainstream, but if Verve and Blue Note and all that stuff is mainstream, then its not. > > > anyone got details of the forthcoming Mark Dresser kfw cd? > It's going to be Dresser, Anthony Coleman, and Chris Speed, based on what they said in the newsletter that came with their last batch. (also the Marie McAuliffe Bacherach cd is out in Nov. - done at > Zorn's suggestion, i recall?) Its 12 songs and about 45 minutes long, and its all as reworked, or more so, than the one on the GReat Jewish Music CD. Aren't most of the Avant CDs Zorn's suggestions (asking, not being a smartass...) > >the great trilogy of Piazzolla discs on American > Clave (including his all-time best single disc representation, "Tango > Zero Hour"), previously> held by Rounder, has been picked up by > Nonesuch, at least in the US. I believe> their version of "Tango Zero > Hour" may already be on the market. > It is, I saw it last month, for a pretty low price actually ($11.99 compared to 14.99 for most Nonesuch CDs). Didn't get it though, yet. WY > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:56:10 EST From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: PIGPEN In a message dated 10/30/98 23:34:16, you wrote: >I've heard that V As In > >Victim (on the Avant label) is great too this record is fantastic. buy it at any cost. i can't compare it to any of the others, but i really like it. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:46:00 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Keiji Haino Well, here's a quick recap of the first two nights of the NYC three-night Haino festival: Friday night's two sets with Mark Dresser and Joey Baron were certainly fascinating, but on a purely musical level, I didn't find them exceptional. Before the concert, I couldn't quite conceive of how this trio would mesh their differing styles. What ended up being the case was that Haino pushed his sound toward that of Dresser and Baron, at times reminding me a bit of Wes Montgomery, believe it or not (although, to be fair, my knowledge of jazz guitar is fairly limited). They did push a bit towards the noisier side at times, but by and large, the sets were fairly controlled. It was nice to see a different facet of Haino, but the music only occasionally bordered on transcendent, in stark contrast to the previous night. The highlight for me was the ending piece to the first set, where Baron spurred Haino on to a higher state of frenzy than was evident the rest of the night. The previous night, Thursday, featured a solo set of Haino on hurdy-gurdy and a solo set of percussion and vocals. The hurdy-gurdy record I have by Haino (the PSF one, I've heard the Tokuma one is superior) didn't prepare me for the range of sounds that Haino conjured out of the instrument. More than anything, it reminded me of Tony Conrad, but much, much less rigorish. I'm not sure how he was doing it, but Haino really used the sound system well, with different noises flying all over the room. I felt he lost his way a few times during the set, but each time he recovered nicely after a few minutes, and went on to dazzle. the ambience was great also, with the room being almost completely dark, incense burning, a red velvet backdrop, and Haino wearing what looked like priest's robes as opposed to his standard leather pants. he also did some very muted, ghostly whispered vocals. all in all, a very powerful, spiritual set. the percussion and vocal set was performed on a single drum, to which numerous effects had been attached. he also had a mike right up next to his mouth, and for much of the concert inside his mouth. the sounds he was getting from his trademark shriek/screams were far more nuanced than I've ever heard on record; it was stunning to me that the human voice, no matter how processed, could create sounds so seemingly industrial and electronic. as for the percussion, he occasionally ran out of ideas here also, but usually compensated for that with sheer power. he was using a pair of mallets for most of the set, and for the last fifteen minutes or so, one was clearly gradually splintering. the set ended just after he broke this mallet into two pieces, one of which came flying into the front row. I enjoyed the first half hour of this set more than any other Haino I've seen, I think. I'm not attending tonight, but I'd love to hear about it. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:16:05 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: New address for Screwgun website Hi all - Just a note to let you know that the Screwgun website has moved to http://www.screwgunrecords.com Update your address books and bookmarks, and please do let me know if you find any bugs or broken links... I've spent the last few days trying to debug the whole site, but certainly might have missed something. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:15:03 +0100 From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: Re: PIGPEN > >Victim (on the Avant label) is great too > > this record is fantastic. buy it at any cost. Hmm... Generally, I'm very dissapointed by Horvitz records, especially Pigpen and Zony Mash. I have impression, that Horvitz wants to make "Naked City 2", and the thing missing in his records is the power of Naked City. The comparsion is obvious (to me...) when listening to "Sex Fiend" from "Cold Spell" - Horvitz version is just weak, anemic... when Naked City kicks ass! :-( __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [arno@silesia.top.DEATHTOSPAMMERS.pl] www.silesia.top.pl/~arno/default.htm - Discography of Bill Frisell - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:49:41 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Re: PIGPEN > Hmm... Generally, I'm very dissapointed by Horvitz records, especially > Pigpen and Zony Mash. I have impression, that Horvitz wants to make > "Naked City 2", and the thing missing in his records is the power of > Naked City. The comparsion is obvious (to me...) when listening to > "Sex Fiend" from "Cold Spell" - Horvitz version is just weak, > anemic... when Naked City kicks ass! I don't own any Zony Mash albums, but from the odd song I've managed to hear from them, I know exactly what you mean. But you can't say the same about Pigpen, I don't think Horvitz is trying to do the same thing there. As I just posted about a day ago, Daylight is great, and really doesn't have much linkage to Naked City, in fact you wouldn't necessarily know it was the same guy in the two bands from listening to that cd. Miss Ann is a bit closer to Naked City, but is still great in its own right. And according to others, V As In Victim is also wonderful. Incidentally, Miss Ann has a cover of Triggerfingers which in my opinion doesn't quite equal the original, but it is still a very good version. If you can, try to get a hold of Zony Mash performing Torture Garden (I don't know whether it's still on their website). It has the wonderful Eyvind Kang on violin and Mike Stone on drums, and it is extremely funny to listen to. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 15:36:46 -0500 From: Kevin Neales Subject: Improvised Music New York 1981 I just bought a used copy of Improvised Music New York 1981 on Muworks. The song titles are not printed in the booklet, but are hand written in. Just curious, but was this the way it was sold originally? Kevin Neales - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 16:33:11 EST From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Improvised Music New York 1981 In a message dated 98-11-01 15:48:20 EST, Kevin Neales writes: << I just bought a used copy of Improvised Music New York 1981 on Muworks. The song titles are not printed in the booklet, but are hand written in. >> One of my customers in Japan found this for me new, the same Muworks version you have. Mine has no titles on it whatsoever, so apparently someone along the way attempted to figure out what "songs" these were and wrote them into your booklet. I'd be interested in seeing that list actually, and I hope this info helps! Dale. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:16:45 EST From: Sulacco@aol.com Subject: Re: Improvised Music New York 1981 In a message dated 11/1/98 15:48:20, you wrote: >The song titles are not printed in the booklet, but are hand written in. >Just curious, but was this the way it was sold originally? my booklet doesn't have song titles. it also does not have any handwriting in it. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:36:22 -0800 From: "Christian Heslop" Subject: guitar music I'm looking for some modern classical guitar music(wrap your mind around that nomenclatural sin)-specifically for a recording of some Leo Brouwer etudes that I've been studying.I'm also interested in guitarists working in other idioms etc.Any recommendations? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:56:07 EST From: OnionPalac@aol.com Subject: Re: guitar music For classical guitar and beyond (nylon string music -with a hint of steel and electric) I usually recommend Andrew York's Perfect Sky. This album is generally made up of original tunes, though he has some P. Tchaikovsky, F. Couperin, and others included. His songwriting is wonderful in that one can learn a lot after learning some of his stuff. He might fit under the oxymoronish styles of a modern traditionalist. Another name that pops in my head when I think of classical guitar is Toumani Diabate. Even though he does not play guitar his style on his instrument is very nylon classical sounding at times. He plays an instrument his father popularized in Mali called a kora. Solo and with accompaniment he flips through many styles that spread throughout the world. Check out his album Djelika. Hope something here is helpful. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 08:23:04 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Ackley/Dresser/Justin Time/Piazzola etc On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:47:35 -0500 (EST) William York wrote: > > > > anyone got details of the forthcoming Mark Dresser kfw cd? > > > It's going to be Dresser, Anthony Coleman, and Chris Speed, based on what > they said in the newsletter that came with their last batch. Could it be that one? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - UN CHIEN ANDALOU: Mark Dresser Mark Dresser; Anthony Coleman; Mike Sarin. 1997 - Knitting Factory Works (USA), ??? (CD) Note: not released yet (planned for November 1997). - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 08:42:14 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Improvised Music New York 1981 On Sun, 01 Nov 1998 15:36:46 -0500 Kevin Neales wrote: > > I just bought a used copy of Improvised Music New York 1981 on Muworks. > The song titles are not printed in the booklet, but are hand written in. > Just curious, but was this the way it was sold originally? This record is famous for the tersity of its liner notes... Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:51:35 -0500 From: cbarrett@neaq.org (Chris Barrett) Subject: Re: PIGPEN At 5:43 PM 10/30/98, Theo Klaase wrote: >I have Pigpen's "Half Rack" album and I think it's just great....Does >anyone know how good the other albums are? Which one is best, etc....? > > Any info appreciated. (Email me pivately) Thanks! > > >}Theodorus-- > > V as in Victim is my favorite. The title cut is redone on Daylight but looses a lot of the intensity (and is I think only half as long). Live in Poland has got some good stuff on it too. It's interesting to hear how they deal with those tunes that use multiple sax tracks. Miss Ann has some interesting stuff going on, and is probably the most cohesive after Daylight, not that anyone here is looking for cohesive records. ;>) I like all the Pigpen stuff, but I don't "love" it. There is something about all the releases I've heard that just seems like the playing is a little flat. I don't think they are bad, but the playing on the Naked City records (since someone brought it up) does seem much more inspired to me, even though they are not trying to do the same thing.... Actually, I think I like the concept of what Pigpen was trying to do (or what it sounds like to me they were trying to do) more than Naked City, but ultimately Naked City succeeds more often. - -Chris - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #516 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com