From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #648 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, April 20 1999 Volume 02 : Number 648 In this issue: - Re: Ornette's 'Broken Shadows' / Carcass question Re: Ornette's 'Broken Shadows' / Carcass question Re: Carcass question LP Auction Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated. RE: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated. RE: masada live cd / other tzadik release RE: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated. Re: melford JAZZIZ Columbia on vinyl COBRA COBRA Re: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated. Re: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated. Re: melford Re: Al-Jabr schiaffini koto R: plunderphonics ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:15:47 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Ornette's 'Broken Shadows' / Carcass question William York wrote: > I found this on LP, sealed, today. I was pretty surprised since it was > only $7.99, and the CD versions of the Ornette Columbia albums are only > out on Japanese versions, for $20 or so. Does this mean Science Fiction > is on vinyl too? Yes, it is, as is "Skies of America." CBS in France seems to be responsible for the vinyl repressings. Here the LPs are generally marked at about $11.99 apiece. Out of laziness more than anything I bought the Japanese CDs of "Science Fiction" and "Skies of America" last year, even though I had the original vinyl of both, and I've owned the Japanese "Broken Shadows" for quite a number of years now. > Second Question: Is the Carcass "Symphonies of Sickness" CD that has the 2 > albums on one disc still available in that form? I don't think so. Over the last year the only versions of "Symphonies of Sickness " and "Reek of Putrefaction" I've seen were available on separate CDs, since the deal between Earache and the U.S. firm Relativity ended. (It was Relativity that combined the albums in the first place, I think. Oddly, the Relativity version preserved the way-nasty original cover with the grue and body parts, while the more recent Earache reissues have "cleaned up" cover art.) Best, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:55:15 -0500 From: clockwise Subject: Re: Ornette's 'Broken Shadows' / Carcass question >> Second Question: Is the Carcass "Symphonies of Sickness" CD that has the 2 >> albums on one disc still available in that form? > >I don't think so. Over the last year the only versions of "Symphonies of >Sickness " and "Reek of Putrefaction" I've seen were available on separate >CDs, since the deal between Earache and the U.S. firm Relativity ended. (It >was Relativity that combined the albums in the first place, I think. Oddly, >the Relativity version preserved the way-nasty original cover with the grue >and body parts, while the more recent Earache reissues have "cleaned up" cover >art.) if they are in fact available as seperate cds, its the way to go as the combination cd is missing several tracks peace, clockwise - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:38:03 EDT From: JSub@aol.com Subject: Re: Carcass question > Second Question: Is the Carcass "Symphonies of Sickness" CD that has the 2 > albums on one disc still available in that form? (I think the other album > on there is "Reek of Putredaction"). Or did they split it up into two > discs? It's no longer available as a two-fer. That was done when Earache titles were licensed to Combat/Relativity in the US in the early 90's. Once Earache set up a US office they re-released the titles separately in 1994. They did add 6 additional tracks to "Reek", although they only total about 8 minutes. The two-fer had a nauseating collage of medical/autopsy photos as the cover art that was not duplicated on either re-release, just a guess but it may be part of "Symphonies" inner artwork?? Also, "Reek of Putrefecation" is an extremely poorly recorded/raw sounding release, but that half its charm. Jeff - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:53:07 +0800 From: Sibree/Wilkes Subject: LP Auction Please note that the latest auction (with Frith, Coxhill, Slapp Happy etc items) closing date has been extended to 28 April. Regards, Billy - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:01:30 +1000 From: Peter Hollo Subject: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated. Well, the subject says it all. I'm just about to go on a 3 month tour (some of the time with my band FourPlay, electric string quartet, some on my own) involving Europe and then NY. I'll be first stopping in London, then Amsterdam and Holland, Brussels and Belgium, Luxembourg, Strasbourg and Paris. Then around UK. After that I'm going to New York for almost three weeks, during which time I'll go to Boston at some time. I'd love it if any list-members could suggest good records stores, clubs, and so on to check out in these places. [I know obviously of the Knitting Factory, but am interested in other places in New York too.] As well as Zorn-like music, I'm interested in catching as much klezmer and gypsy type music as I can, as well as experimental electronic stuff and so on. Thanks in advance, and sorry for a basically uninformative post, Peter. - -- Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet http://www.fourplay.com.au Raven: experimental electronic http://www.fourplay.com.au/sound.html "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:18:12 -0400 From: "Vanheumen, Robert" Subject: RE: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated. >records stores other music, 4th street between broadway & lafayette downtown music gallery, 5th street between 2d & 3rd avenue >clubs be certain to check out tonic, norfolk street between rivington & delancy street (website: www.tonic107.com) robert - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:09:18 -0400 From: "Vanheumen, Robert" Subject: RE: masada live cd / other tzadik release patRice >thanks for the info, robert. "unfortunately" i live in europe, so i wont be able to make it. sorry. i thought you were patrice roussel, who i thought is from NYC, or am i mistaken again... >but i see if i can find a cd by her. maybe you can >recommend sthg.? i donnot know of any recordings, but i'll try to find out at this gig. i read your next email, so i guess you own shizuku by michiyo yagi already. you should check out her website at http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/myagi/myagi.html, not too extensive, but it has a discography and a concert schedule (unfortunatly most of them in japan). i'm trying to get a copy of the cd happy mail, which i think is very interesting (with Sachiko M on sampler, maybe you read the article in the wire this month) robert - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:36:11 -0400 (EDT) From: alissa bader Subject: RE: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated. don't forget alt.coffee, over at 9th/10th and avenue A. If you're into country music, east village style (which I suppose is a style all its own), there's something called The Alphabet City Opry, which is somewhere on 2nd Street? Not sure where, anyone know? I've never been, but I'd heard it's an interesting experience. on other stuff I've heard of but never seen: does the 8th street synagogue still hold a klezmer jam on Monday nights? They used to. I've always wanted to check out that place; I've heard it's sort of a squat shul (which is, well, an interesting concept). - --alissa mol molbloo@interport.net "from birth to freezer in 90 days" On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Vanheumen, Robert wrote: > >records stores > other music, 4th street between broadway & lafayette > downtown music gallery, 5th street between 2d & 3rd avenue > > >clubs > be certain to check out tonic, norfolk street between rivington & delancy > street (website: www.tonic107.com) > > robert > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:31:29 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: melford On Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:39:35 -0400 Steve Smith wrote: > > Steve Smith Got the last issue of JAZZIZ and it is definitely worth to get. Very interes- ting article by Steve Smith on John Shiurba's CD-ROM only label (which kind of scared me from a discographical point of view :-). A good article on Evan Parker and electronics (which reminds people with short memories (like me) that he and Paul Lytton were already doing this kind of experimentation more than 25 years ago!). Also a good list of European labels. The interesting thing was also the reader polls. Seeing John Zorn listed in third position of a 3-entry long best alto sax list was fairly refreshing (as seeing Steve Lacy back in 1st position for soprano). Was it the one last year that was still putting Kenny G as best ss? This seems to imply that the majority of readers is finally in sync with the staff. Now the big question: have the old readers switched to more adventurous listening, or is the magazine getting a new wave of readers? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:57:46 +0200 From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: JAZZIZ >Got the last issue of JAZZIZ and it is definitely worth to get. Very interes- >ting article by Steve Smith on John Shiurba's CD-ROM only label (which kind >of scared me from a discographical point of view :-). I know the feeling patrice... to scare you just a little more, do you think to include the web distribute mp3 files of evan solos in the discography? >Now the big question: have the old readers switched to more adventurous >listening, or is the magazine getting a new wave of readers? > my feeling is that the kennyg listeners are just not interested in jazz literature. An attempt to write "critic" or even to chronicle smooth jazz is doomed as those who read dont listen to that (fan press is yet another story and a different audience). Strangely enough, controversial - non commercial - music is better fo rmagazine circulation. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) From: William York Subject: Columbia on vinyl > Yes, it is, as is "Skies of America." CBS in France seems to be responsible > for the vinyl repressings. Here the LPs are generally marked at about $11.99 > apiece. Out of laziness more than anything I bought the Japanese CDs of > "Science Fiction" and "Skies of America" last year, even though I had the > original vinyl of both, and I've owned the Japanese "Broken Shadows" for quite > a number of years now. Do you know of any other stuff being on record, like "Free Fall" maybe? I just got "Sextant" by Herbie Hancock for $5.99, and although I'm not really into the idea of 'getting stuff on vinyl' just for the sake of it, there is a big difference between $5.99 to $7.99 (for LPs) and $15-20 (for the CDs). Anyway, thanks for filling me in. WY - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:53:48 EDT From: XRedbirdxx@aol.com Subject: COBRA << hi, since you are researching cobra, i figured i'd ask you this. where do i get the instructions? i've asked the zorn list several times, never getting a reply. i can't contact zorn. I'd just like to play it with a group once or twice. oh well. from, matt >> that i do not know. where are you located? i know it's not supposed to be easy to get and do. from talking to the cincinnati cobra guy, the score as-written is not very user friendly. said that to actually do it is a lot of work, interpreting, decision making, etc.---you have to be really serious and crazy about it (which perhaps, hopefully, prevents bad performances of cobra happening). it wasn't written for the outside world, but for zorn's group. in some ways it would be nice if he cleaned it up and published it for us all, but on the other hand in some ways the worst thing for zorn and the piece would be it getting into the wrong hands and misguided performances of cobra happening all over the place. - -joseph - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:19:00 -0500 From: Dan Hewins Subject: COBRA Well if anyone gets their hands on the 'score' please let me know. I'd be willing to check it out and perhaps start something going in St. Louis. On a related note, what's the craze about Cobra? Is it "better" in any way than other game pieces? Or is it just more popular on this list because of some unknown reason? Dan Hewins - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:08:49 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated. alissa bader wrote: > don't forget alt.coffee, over at 9th/10th and avenue A. Nah, forget it after all. They've stopped booking music altogether. (The more music-friendly folks at alt.coffee are the same folks who brought you Tonic.) And check out http://www.nytoday.com for sure. Steve Smith smsith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:20:02 -0400 (EDT) From: alissa bader Subject: Re: Imminent trip to Europe/NY - any tips appreciated. aw man. leave a city for six months and look what happens! - --alissa mol molbloo@interport.net "from birth to freezer in 90 days" On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Steve Smith wrote: > alissa bader wrote: > > > don't forget alt.coffee, over at 9th/10th and avenue A. > > Nah, forget it after all. They've stopped booking music altogether. (The more > music-friendly folks at alt.coffee are the same folks who brought you Tonic.) > > And check out http://www.nytoday.com for sure. > > Steve Smith > smsith36@sprynet.com > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:53:45 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: melford "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > Got the last issue of JAZZIZ and it is definitely worth to get. Very interes- > ting article by Steve Smith on John Shiurba's CD-ROM only label Thanks for the kind words. I do, however, want to clarify something for the assembled Z-list. "CD-R," as used in my article, does not stand for CD-ROM, but CD-Recordable. It's a subtle but crucial difference, because not everyone has the capability to play CD-ROMs, but the recordable CDs made by Shiurba and the others in my story can be played on virtually any CD player - I've heard that there are perhaps a few exceptions - and that's exactly why I proposed that the folks making these CD-R releases are actually finding another way to compete with the normal recording industry. Most of the CD-R recordings I've bought from John and the others in the piece sound as good to me as anything I've bought on a "real" label lately (at the very least in sound quality, which was the criterion I was employing), and this levels the playing field in a unique new way, to my mind. That's all. Oh, wait... if you really don't feel like buying a copy of Jazziz, here are the URLs for the three artists I mentioned - check it out for yourself. John Shiurba: http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba/sedition.html Gino Robair: http://www.rastascan.com/news.html David Gross: http://members.aol.com/Tautology3/ Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet,com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:04:03 -0400 From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Al-Jabr > 4) last and most impressive in my book, Parker has a 13 minute piece on the > recent Ash International release, Al-Jabr. I picked up the Al-Jabr disc yesterday and would definitely second Jon's recommendation. The Evan Parker track is really great, but it's no gold nugget in a pile of shit - the other tracks are pretty impressive too (I particularly like the Simon Fisher Turner, Lawrence Casserly, and T:un[k] Systems). As Jon said, this is a very cohesive and excellent record. I'm otherwise completely unfamiliar with Disinformation. Are the original recordings any good? listening to: Giancarlo Schiaffini "Specchiati Sembianti" from 'Musicisti Contemtemporanei' (Edipan). Finally tracked this one down on Sunday. Good stuff... -Tom Pratt - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:32:34 +0200 From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: schiaffini added info: there's a schiaffini discography at the Italian Jazz Musician= s site, www.ijm.it - -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Tom Pratt A: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Data: marted=EC 20 aprile 1999 6.04 Oggetto: Re: Al-Jabr >> 4) last and most impressive in my book, Parker has a 13 minute piece o= n the >> recent Ash International release, Al-Jabr. > >I picked up the Al-Jabr disc yesterday and would definitely second Jon's >recommendation. The Evan Parker track is really great, but it's no gold nugget in >a pile of shit - the other tracks are pretty impressive too (I particula= rly like >the Simon Fisher Turner, Lawrence Casserly, and T:un[k] Systems). As Jon said, >this is a very cohesive and excellent record. > >I'm otherwise completely unfamiliar with Disinformation. Are the origina= l >recordings any good? > >listening to: Giancarlo Schiaffini "Specchiati Sembianti" from 'Musicist= i >Contemtemporanei' (Edipan). Finally tracked this one down on Sunday. Goo= d >stuff... > > -Tom Pratt > > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 P E G A S U S M a i l 2000 03:31:34 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: koto on the subject of koto; does anyone have the Braxton cd on Leo with a koto player (Lardner?); it gets a very good review in the Penguin guide...there's a new Leo cd with two koto players (Lardner? and someone else) and shakuchai(?) player also - sorry, i don't have the details before me; check the Leo site for info. i guess... Hywel - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:15:16 +0200 From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: R: plunderphonics did anybody try? There's something seriously wrong with track 14.... it stops after downloading tens of mega. I've got most of the rest - impossible to do on a modem connection I think as it takes days, literally. I'm burning the cd but I'm stuck - nobody answers at the site. I'd hate to do it without one of the files.... - -----Messaggio originale----- Da: JonAbbey2@aol.com A: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Data: sabato 3 aprile 1999 8.12 Oggetto: Re: plunderphonics > >In a message dated 4/2/99 11:10:39 PM, al.t@mtnhdw.com writes: > ><< I just got a faster internet connection and now could actually download >the plunderphonics files in a vaguely reasonable amount of time. But >I've lost the url. I got it here. Could someone give it to me again? >> > >http://www.interlog.com/~vacuvox/x.html > >Jon > >- > > - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #648 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com