From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #656 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, April 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 656 In this issue: - feldman Painkiller/Ground 0 Re: Victoriaville Question Masada/Byron Somerville Theater Re: feldman Re: Dave Burrell Re: feldman Re: Painkiller/Ground 0 RE: next Masada gig in NYC? Stanko/Smoker/Hemingway Re: Stanko/Smoker/Hemingway Re: Painkiller/Ground 0 RE: Stanko/Smoker/Hemingway Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #655 Re[2]: Dave Burrell Re: Otomo Re: Stanko/Smoker/Hemingway ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:15:26 GMT0BST From: DR S WILKIE Subject: feldman any recommendations from Mark Feldman's days as a Nashville session man? I mean country music cds which feature his playing alot...thanks. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 10:21:47 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: Painkiller/Ground 0 I was all excited to try and synopsize GZero releases, but Caleb did it much more consicely than I probably would have. Pekingese Opera is my favorite, but it starts Otomo in a direction that I find a little hard to take, namely prolonged repeated tones and pulses. Here it works, but beware of Consume 1, because that's all it is (a handful of his other projects also follow this line). Consume 2&3, the remix projects, are OK, but starting with so little they don't do a lot for me. And you may well regret having paid $20+ for the imports, despite the nice packaging. Null&Void and Plays Standards are also excellent. Both, I think, are more in a Naked City vein (since Caleb brought up the parallel), in that they show a crackerjack band playing hell out of their songs, whereas Pekingese is more conceptual. While on the subject, can anyone tell me the difference between the different versions of Pekingese Opera? I've counted the original and two numbered versions. Somebody told me they are different mixes for different labels. Are they dramatically different? And to answer your other question, Chris -- the Painkiller set is a must, especially if you don't have any of it yet. The unbelievable trio "live" recordings are something like Naked City's short hardcore blasts, and Mick Harris is godlike. The two cds of ambient mixes are my fave of Laswell's more heavy-handed treatments. Plus you get one great cut with Haino Keiji and Makagami Koichi and a set of Eye/Zorn duos. Really great, all of it. It's not, however, the complete Painkiller. There was apparently a release of the entire Haino/Koichi concert on a Japanese label (now out of print). I also have one song on a Japanese compilation called "Souveneirs" (the label is something like "Mambo"), a short Laswell mix that doesn't appear in that form on the box. OK, two more questions: Can anyone give reviews of the recent Koichi shows in the U.S.? (Or for that matter anywhere, anytime?) I was devastated at having to miss the NYC gigs. Also, speaking of Pharoah, does anyone know anything about a guy billed as "Pharoah Saunders" who plays tambourine (and only that, at least by the liner notes) on a few Dave Burrell 1960s recordings? I've wondered forever. And what's Burrell been up to anyway? He used to make it to NYC a couple times a year... OK, I'll stop. kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:26:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Victoriaville Question Un autre fois: www.cdcbf.qc.ca/FIMAV Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, William York wrote: > Does anyone have the dates/lineups for this? I know its been posted > before but I can't seem to find it and I didn't have any luck searching > for it elsewhere either. Thanks, > > WY > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:22:30 EDT From: MeandMrRay@aol.com Subject: Masada/Byron Somerville Theater Hello Everyone, Just got my tickets to the may 29th show at the Somerville Theater. Had to settle for orchestra right, but I'm right up close! I was the first person in line, yet the closest orch. center seats were row N....kind of annoying. Does anyone know what the Byron "Music For 6 Musicians" line up will be? Same as the record? I know that Zorn doesn't allow taping (right?), what about Byron? I don't want to set up a stand, just use my "stealth" mics. I'd love to get something on tape from the evening, but never tape if its against the artist's wishes. Any other list members going to be attending the show? I can't wait! Zorn and MMW in the same weekend! Hope everyone is well, Greg - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:32:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: feldman From what I understand Mark was merely a "Nashville Cat", a studio musician who played behind various singers/performers. I would think it would be no easier to pick his violin out of the section in that situation, than it would be to "hear" him in a symphony orchestra string section. Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, DR S WILKIE wrote: > any recommendations from Mark Feldman's days as a Nashville session > man? I mean country music cds which feature his playing alot...thanks. > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:45:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Dave Burrell OK, what I can comment about Burell. Pharoah Sanders playing tamborine on Dave Burell's disc, is indeed our friend Pharoah, helping out the rhythm (didn't someone once get liner note credit for "handclaps"?) And yes, that album "High Won, High Two" is one of the most impressive (and little known) examples of inside-outside piano playing extant. I've had it for years as a two-LP Arista set and recently picked up the Black Lion single CD reissue. Only Burell could perform a history of the jazz piano through rags, stride, gospel and blues on some tracks of the disc and do a West Side Story medley on the others. If you get a chance pick up the LPs or CD. (You also get the additional bonus of Stanley Crouch liner notes, praising Great Black (experimental) Music before he became the Howard Stern of the neo-con jazz movement. I, too, haven't heard much about Burrell recently. I assume he's Ok and merely hasn't played your town because promoters are too busy booking "this year's model" to have time for avant pioneers. Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:22:40 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: feldman On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:15:26 GMT0BST DR S WILKIE wrote: > > any recommendations from Mark Feldman's days as a Nashville session > man? I mean country music cds which feature his playing alot...thanks. He is at least on one Johnny Cash record, but I have never been able to figure out the one. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:21:51 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Painkiller/Ground 0 In a message dated 4/30/99 10:27:20 AM, kurt_gottschalk@scni.com writes: << can anyone tell me the difference between the different versions of Pekingese Opera? I've counted the original and two numbered versions. Somebody told me they are different mixes for different labels. Are they dramatically different? >> I did a head to head comparison of the Trigram version which is the original, and the ReR version after it came out. they're pretty close, as I remember, with an extra few minutes on the ReR version, and certainly not different enough for me to pick up the ReR version in addition to the original. I think what happened was that in the year or two that the Trigram version had dropped out of print, Otomo decided he wanted to work on this piece a bit more, so he made a few changes for the ReR version. <> I saw the first set in NYC, which was solo. he also played a second set, with Erik Friedlander and Ted Reichman, which I couldn't stay for. the set I saw was just what you'd expect if you've seen him before, lots of free-form vocals, a little Tuvan throat singing, some awesome facial expressions. he also had this handheld machine that would record a few seconds of his voice, so he used that to duet with himself, and as he played it back in repeating, short loops, he would wave it around, adding another distorting factor. pretty satisfying, but I bet the second set was more entertaining. Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:10:56 -0400 From: "John Scott" Subject: RE: next Masada gig in NYC? Just to clarify: May 5th through May 7th, Zorn/Medeski/Ribot/Wollesen will be at Tonic (107 Norfolk Street, NYC). There will be two shows each night at 8 & 10pm, $15 per show. For tickets to this show you can call 212-358-7501 or go to www.tonic107.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 13:05:25 -0300 From: hulinare@bemberg.com.ar Subject: Stanko/Smoker/Hemingway Hi Folks! Recently got Tomasz Stanko's Litania on ECM and it is great; the question is: what other Stanko's cds am i missing? Also, any comments on Paul Smoker's Genuine Fables on hatArt or any other recording? What about Gerry Hemingway; what to pick up? You can email me privately if it's off-topic. Thanks in advance. Hugo. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:46:26 -0400 From: eric ong Subject: Re: Stanko/Smoker/Hemingway >Recently got Tomasz Stanko's Litania on ECM and it is great; the >question is: what other Stanko's cds am i missing? I've taken a liking to Stanko's "Matka Joanna" (ECM 1544). Genius percussionist Tony Oxely is part of the lineup along with the other usual suspects: Stenson and Jormin. The results are quite breathtaking. >Also, any comments on Paul Smoker's Genuine Fables on hatArt or any >other recording? I'd be interested in this as well. Not very related, but today I picked up the Morton Feldman "For John Cage" off Hat. Haven't listened to it yet, but if anyone's interested, let me know and I'll try to find some time to write a mini-review. When's the Cornelius Cardew Hat record coming out? >What about Gerry Hemingway; what to pick up? I'd say all four Hemingway titles off Hat are quite good. "Special Detail" has Don Byron on clarinet and baritone sax, Wolter Wierbos on trombone, Ernst Reijseger on cello, and Ed Schuller on bass. "Down to the Wire" has Michael Moore on alto sax, clarinet, and bass clarinet, Mark Dresser on bass, and Wierbos. Ernst Reijseger was absent from this tour because of a back injury. "Demon Chaser" and "The Marmalade King" have the same quartet with the addition of Reijseger. My favorite out of all of Hemingway's records is probably "Demon Chaser". The quintet also has two releases of live recordings on Graewe's Random Acoustics label, "Slamadam" from 91, 93, and 94 shows, and "Perfect World" from 95. In more recent news, Hemingway has put together a stateside-based quartet. There's one CD so far by this group, "Johnny's Corner Song", with Ellery Eskelin on tenor sax, Robin Eubanks on trombone, and Dresser. On more recent tours, I believe either Ray Anderson or Herb Robertson have substituted for Eubanks. This is on Hemingway's own label, Auricle, which has been reactivated after 17 years - -- only issued 3 LPs on this label in the late 70s and early 80s. Hemingway has a web page at http://userweb.interactive.net/~gerryhem/index.html -- you can order the Auricle LPs/CDs via this page. - -eric. "and going forth he met Butterly." --B. Mulligan - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:56:40 -0500 From: Craig Rath Subject: Re: Painkiller/Ground 0 >There was apparently a release of the entire >Haino/Koichi concert on a Japanese label (now out of print). "Rituals" - Toy's Factory. >I also have one >song on a Japanese compilation called "Souveneirs" (the label is something like >"Mambo"), a short Laswell mix that doesn't appear in that form on the box. > I think you're thinking of "Samples" on the label Maboroshi No Sekai - a great compilation of tracks including Melt Banana, Black Stage, Painkiller, Bondage Fruit, Yoshida Tatsuya and a bunch more. Am I correct in assuming that Katsui Yuji (violin) is in control of this label? He plays on most of the tracks on the compilation. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:13:04 +0200 From: "Artur Nowak" Subject: RE: Stanko/Smoker/Hemingway > Recently got Tomasz Stanko's Litania on ECM and it is great; the > question is: what other Stanko's cds am i missing? Stanko is the best know polish jazzman up to date. He is a kind of Komeda successor (yes, Komeda is the composer of Rosmary's baby tune...); in fact he was one of Komeda's co-workers at the beginning of his career. The CD you mentioned was the best selling jazz CD for few months in Europe. I'm not his fan at all, few months ago I saw hsi gig in Krakow, and I was the only not-happy listener at the audience; I guess I got used to Zorn-like music too much. Stanko's music is very european, his fans say, and in this sense this mail is very off-topic. But, anybody who has problems searching for Stanko's records can contact me, because I live in Poland, where his CDs are just everywhere... Pozdrawiam __________________________________________________________________ Artur Nowak [NEW E-MAIL: arno AT emd.pl] www.emd.pl - Discography of Bill Frisell (soon...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:46:17 -0400 From: David Keffer Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #655 >From: "Caleb T. Deupree" >At 11:37 AM 4/28/99 -0400, ctonelli@trentu.ca wrote: >>and can anyone suggest the best Ground Zero album for a newcomer to start >>off with? > >... The eponymous (first) album on >Disques du soleil almost sounds more like a Naked City album (because of ... The eponymous first GZ album is on God Mountain, not Les disques du soleil et de l'acier, unless it was released on two labels. I think this is the complete Ground Zero discography: (excerpt from the Otomo Yoshihide discog at the extremely fine JAPANESE FREE IMPROVISERS site maintained by YOSHIYUKI SUZUKI and located at http://www2.gol.com/users/miyuki/index.html ) Ground Zero. Ground Zero. God Mountain, GMCD-002, 1992. Ground Zero. Null & Void. Tzadik, TZ 7204, 1995. Ground Zero. Revolutionary Pekinese Opera. Trigram, TR-P 909, 1995. Ground Zero. Revolutionary Pekinese Opera, Tokyo 1995: Unofficial Live Video. Videocassette. Ganseki Products, G-96041V, 1995. Ground Zero. Revolutionary Pekinese Opera, Version 1.28. ReR, GZ-CD01, 1996. Ground Zero. Revolutionary Pekinese Opera, Version 1.50. 7" record. gentle giant, gg701, 1996. Ground Zero. Live Mao 99. 7" record. PANEMONIUM Rdz, PAN010, 1996. Ground Zero. Plays Standards. NANI RECORDs/disk UNION, NCD-201, 1997. Ground Zero. Consume Red. SANK-OHSO discs/creativeman disc., CMDD-00046, 1997. Ground Zero. Conflagration. SANK-OHSO discs/creativeman disc., CMDD-00047. 1997. Cassiber. Live in Tokyo. off note, ON-25, 1997. Ground Zero. Consummation. SANK-OHSO discs/creativeman disc., CMDD-00048, April 1, 1998. Ground Zero. Last Concert. Valve/Amoebic, AMO-VA-02, to be released May 1999. Ground Zero. Last Concert. Videocassette. Valve/Amoebic, AMO-VA-02, to be released Summer 1999. Of these I have heard GZ on God Mountain, Plays Standards, Conflagration. None of these are heavy rotation in my book. Conflagration got precisely one listen. "Plays Standards" is the most "Naked City" style IMO, and having already heard the Elektra/Nonesuch Naked City release 7 years earlier, I did not find much new to listen to on "Plays Standards". (However, there was one track, I recall, which I listened to repeatedly for a while.) GZ on God Mountain is a bit like "Torture Garden Naked City". Mostly I think Otomo Yoshihide's ideas are better than the realization. For example, "The Night Before the Death of the Sampling Virus" is a great idea, but the cd itself, after digesting the idea, is lackluster. Another example, the idea of getting the vocalist Phew back into the recording studio was a great idea. However, the two Yoshihide/Phew cds are markedly inferior to the CAN/Phew records of 1981 or the Fier/Phew disc of 1993. David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 14:30:53 -0500 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Re[2]: Dave Burrell >I, too, haven't heard much about Burrell recently. I assume he's Ok and >merely hasn't played your town because promoters are too busy >booking "this year's model" to have time for avant pioneers. Just thought I'd chime in with a few words of admiration for Burrell also. He all too often falls into the cracks, too out for most mainstream listeners and too melodic for CT enthusiasts, but he's one of my favorite pianists around. Among works released under his own name, I'd highly recommend his "High" (originally, I think, on Douglas, possibly re-released elsewhere under a different title) from 1968 with Sirone (then Norris Jones) and S. Murray and featuring DB's reworking of 'West Side Story' themes, and also his more recent solo "Jelly Roll Joys" on Gazell, with several rags, some Coltrane, etc., all performed with a relaxed, confident, richly melodic style. As a sideman, he shines on the two great Shepp Montreux albums on Arista/Freedom from 1975 and on a number of David Murray late 80's discs, my favorite being 'Spirituals'. I believe he lives in Hawaii, which might explain his relatively small amount of activity on the mainland. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:00:34 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Otomo In a message dated 4/30/99 1:46:03 PM, keffer@planetc.com writes: << Mostly I think Otomo Yoshihide's ideas are better than the realization. For example, "The Night Before the Death of the Sampling Virus" is a great idea, but the cd itself, after digesting the idea, is lackluster. Another example, the idea of getting the vocalist Phew back into the recording studio was a great idea. However, the two Yoshihide/Phew cds are markedly inferior to the CAN/Phew records of 1981 or the Fier/Phew disc of 1993. >> I think you've just heard the wrong Otomo records. the first Ground Zero record is pretty great. Les Sculpteurs De Vinyl, which is from a French improv festival, is one of my favorite sampladelic soundscapes. the Optical-8 records he's on are all well worth hearing. the p53 record on ReR is gorgeous. plus the three I recommended yesterday... Jon - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:06:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Stanko/Smoker/Hemingway I'd agree with everything Eric says except for the Stanko disc. If you like Hemmingway etc., you may find Matka Joanna far too-ECM-ish for your liking, despite the presence of Tony Oxley. Time after time I've tied to listen to it all the way through, but have to cut out part way through the disk otherwise I'd collapse into an uneasy slumber. Ken Waxman cj649@torfree.net - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #656 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com