From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #691 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, July 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 691 In this issue: - RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic Christian Marclay what Mujician to buy first? RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic Re: Christian Marclay Re: what Mujician to buy first? Re: classic guide to strategy Re: Zorn Q&A at Tonic blasphemy? Re: Zorn Q&A at Tonic Re: classic guide to strategy Re: Zorn Q&A at Tonic/Joey Baron Re: Zorn Q&A at Tonic Re: Christian Marclay RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:02:05 -0400 From: "Vanheumen, Robert" Subject: RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic >Did anyone attend Zorn's question and answer session at Tonic? yes. some 40 people did. and it was great. he really was in a good mood, telling some great stories, answering questions like 'why did naked city stop', 'can you tell us something about the compositional aspects of duras', 'do you really have 32,000 lp's'... this last question was the trigger for zorn to clarify that he thought the article in the new yorker was a piece of shit, written by some moron he trusted and who obviously misused this trust. he was not happy about it. to say the least. he also elaborated about how he started his 'carreer', making his own tapes, having gigs in his own appartement for a handful of people, being screwed by recording companies... and in a way encouraging some musicians in the audience (at least myself) to keep believing in yourself, keep on going. and hope you'll be lucky one time. this was a great, and rare, opportunity to hear his thoughts firsthand. robert - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:39:27 -0500 From: King Wilson Subject: RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic >>Did anyone attend Zorn's question and answer session at Tonic? >yes. some 40 people did. and it was great. >he really was in a good mood, telling some great stories, answering >questions like 'why did naked city stop', 'can you tell us something about >the compositional aspects of duras', 'do you really have 32,000 lp's'... >this last question was the trigger for zorn to clarify that he thought the >article in the new yorker was a piece of shit, written by some moron he >trusted and who obviously misused this trust. he was not happy about it. to >say the least. Do you remember his answer for the "Why did Naked City stop?" question? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:25:10 -0800 From: Jason Tors Subject: RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic So why did naked city stop? >>Did anyone attend Zorn's question and answer session at Tonic? >yes. some 40 people did. and it was great. >he really was in a good mood, telling some great stories, answering >questions like 'why did naked city stop', 'can you tell us something about >the compositional aspects of duras', 'do you really have 32,000 lp's'... >this last question was the trigger for zorn to clarify that he thought the >article in the new yorker was a piece of shit, written by some moron he >trusted and who obviously misused this trust. he was not happy about it. to >say the least. > >he also elaborated about how he started his 'carreer', making his own tapes, >having gigs in his own appartement for a handful of people, being screwed by >recording companies... and in a way encouraging some musicians in the >audience (at least myself) to keep believing in yourself, keep on going. and >hope you'll be lucky one time. > >this was a great, and rare, opportunity to hear his thoughts firsthand. > >robert > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:25:10 -0800 From: Jason Tors Subject: RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic So why did naked city stop? >>Did anyone attend Zorn's question and answer session at Tonic? >yes. some 40 people did. and it was great. >he really was in a good mood, telling some great stories, answering >questions like 'why did naked city stop', 'can you tell us something about >the compositional aspects of duras', 'do you really have 32,000 lp's'... >this last question was the trigger for zorn to clarify that he thought the >article in the new yorker was a piece of shit, written by some moron he >trusted and who obviously misused this trust. he was not happy about it. to >say the least. > >he also elaborated about how he started his 'carreer', making his own tapes, >having gigs in his own appartement for a handful of people, being screwed by >recording companies... and in a way encouraging some musicians in the >audience (at least myself) to keep believing in yourself, keep on going. and >hope you'll be lucky one time. > >this was a great, and rare, opportunity to hear his thoughts firsthand. > >robert > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:29:51 -0700 From: dennis summers Subject: Christian Marclay Just wanted to drop a quick note to all you folks. I just came back from Italy and the Venice Bienale. In the show is a video piece by Christian Marclay, which was simply brilliant. As much as I enjoy his music, this was better. What he did was take short clips from many, many movies, mostly from the 30s, 40s but incl. all periods. It was like a "cubist" telephone call. It started with a bunch of very short clips of people dialing a telephone, then a bunch of clips of other people hearing a phone ringing, then answering hello, then a kind of emotional response and then hanging up. It had a fantastic "musical" rhythm both in its visuals and its sounds. Just extraordinary. If anyone on this list knows if it's possible to get a copy of this piece somewhere, please let me know. yours in zornocity --ds ***Quantum Dance Works*** ****http://ic.net/~denniss**** - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 16:31:02 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: what Mujician to buy first? Still under the shock of their performance at the Victoriaville festival, but unfamiliar with this project of Keith, could anybody advice me on the first Mujician record that I should buy? Thanks, Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:25:10 -0800 From: Jason Tors Subject: RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic So why did naked city stop? >>Did anyone attend Zorn's question and answer session at Tonic? >yes. some 40 people did. and it was great. >he really was in a good mood, telling some great stories, answering >questions like 'why did naked city stop', 'can you tell us something about >the compositional aspects of duras', 'do you really have 32,000 lp's'... >this last question was the trigger for zorn to clarify that he thought the >article in the new yorker was a piece of shit, written by some moron he >trusted and who obviously misused this trust. he was not happy about it. to >say the least. > >he also elaborated about how he started his 'carreer', making his own tapes, >having gigs in his own appartement for a handful of people, being screwed by >recording companies... and in a way encouraging some musicians in the >audience (at least myself) to keep believing in yourself, keep on going. and >hope you'll be lucky one time. > >this was a great, and rare, opportunity to hear his thoughts firsthand. > >robert > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 16:39:29 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Christian Marclay On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:29:51 -0700 dennis summers wrote: > > Just wanted to drop a quick note to all you folks. I just came back from > Italy and the Venice Bienale. In the show is a video piece by Christian > Marclay, which was simply brilliant. As much as I enjoy his music, this was > better. What he did was take short clips from many, many movies, mostly from > the 30s, 40s but incl. all periods. It was like a "cubist" telephone call. > It started with a bunch of very short clips of people dialing a telephone, > then a bunch of clips of other people hearing a phone ringing, then > answering hello, then a kind of emotional response and then hanging up. It > had a fantastic "musical" rhythm both in its visuals and its sounds. Just > extraordinary. If anyone on this list knows if it's possible to get a copy > of this piece somewhere, please let me know. Could it be? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 047 - PIECES POUR STANDARDS ET REPONDEURS TELEPHONIQUES: various artists This record features Karl Biscuit, Jean-Baptiste Bruant/Maria Spangaro, Paul Lovens, Albert Marcoeur, Maurice Roche, Christian Marclay, Guigou Chenevier, Gerard Buquet, Sylvia Bossu, Bernard Perrot, Roland Helie, Marc Lauras, Association Notoire, Le Quan Ninh, Heiner Goebbels, Marylene Negro, Eric Ferrand, Hans-Ulrich Obrist, Nicolas Collins, Eric Maillet, Noritoshi Hirakawa, Kasper T. Toeplitz, Edmund Campion, Daunik Lazro, Jerome Noetinger, Lawrence Weiner, Paul De Marinis, Bertrand Lavier, Christian Boltanski, Guy Sapin, Jacques Rebotier. 6/ Busy (Marclay) 1:00 Recorded 1992 Christian Marclay: turntables. 1992 - Nouvelles Scenes, NS 01 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I will listen to it to see if it matches your description. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:14:40 +0100 From: "allen j huotari" Subject: Re: what Mujician to buy first? > >Still under the shock of their performance at the Victoriaville >festival, but unfamiliar with this project of Keith, could anybody advice me >on the first Mujician record that I should buy? > > Thanks, > > Patrice. I'd recommend the first, entitled "The Journey" a continuous 55 minute piece of wonderfulness...*sigh*...unfortunately, now out of print (?) failing to locate this, begin with the most recent, "Colours Fulfilled", and work backwards... also worthwhile is the Paul Dunmall Octet "Bebop Starburst" (although all of Mujician participate, this is only tangentially similar) ajh - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 23:25:49 -0400 From: "Zachary J. Griffin" Subject: Re: classic guide to strategy > hi y'all. > > i don't have the "classic guide..." cd, so i can't look this up myself. > > anyway: do any of you if said cd is based on the book of the same name > by the greatest samurai of all times, miyamoto musashi? > > patRice > > - Right author, wrong book. According to the Zorn-written liner notes "The Classic Guide to Strategy" is a five volume project, following the five chapters of "The Book of Five Rings". Zach Griffin - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 23:35:49 -0400 From: "Zachary J. Griffin" Subject: Re: Zorn Q&A at Tonic - --------------44724B62C78C75FB95542B3F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason Tors wrote: > So why did naked city stop? >From the Zornfest 1993 Program Notes written by John Zorn (which are availiable at http://www.nwu.edu/jazz/performance/zornfest/zornfest-p-zorn.html) Naked City This band was basically a composition workshop. When I stopped hearing/writing for this band, we broke up. Compositionally the challenge I set for myself was to see how much I could come up with given the limitations of the simple sax, guitar, keyboard, bass, drums format. These are, as promised, our last live performances. Hope this helps you out, Zach Griffin - --------------44724B62C78C75FB95542B3F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Jason Tors wrote:

So why did naked city stop?
>From the Zornfest 1993 Program Notes written by John Zorn
(which are availiable at http://www.nwu.edu/jazz/performance/zornfest/zornfest-p-zorn.html)

Naked City
This band was basically a composition workshop.  When I stopped hearing/writing for this band, we broke up.  Compositionally the challenge I set for myself was to see how much I could come up with given the limitations of the simple sax, guitar, keyboard, bass, drums format.  These are, as promised, our last live performances.

Hope this helps you out,

Zach Griffin - --------------44724B62C78C75FB95542B3F-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 23:24:41 CDT From: * % Subject: blasphemy? well, it's not exactly anything of Zorn's but... it was on Tzadik. Teiji Ito's "King Ubu" i dearly regret buying. yuck. i find it to be boring, uneventful and an approach to avant garde that displeases me. (however, i can imagine it sounding good with the movie if done properly, though i've never seen the movie. and perhaps that would change my view of the music as well.) -Samuel Yrui > >In a message dated 6/30/99 4:51:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > ><< I realize that it is blasphemy to say anything bad about on Zorn on this > mailing list, but that's my opinion. >> > >no man, it's cool, speak your mind. i'm still curious if there's any >reactions to my such remarks on "the classic guide to strategy" awhile >back. >joseph > >- > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 09:43:27 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Re: Zorn Q&A at Tonic Zachary J. Griffin wrote:=A0 >=20 > Jason Tors wrote: >=20 > So why did naked city stop? > Naked City > This band was basically a composition workshop.=A0 When I stopped > hearing/writing for this band, we broke up.=A0 Compositionally the > challenge I set for myself was to see how much I could come up with > given the limitations of the simple sax, guitar, keyboard, bass, drums > format.=A0 These are, as promised, our last live performances. >=20 > Hope this helps you out, >=20 > Zach Griffin i also remember reading what you quote above. however, i talked to joey baron after the second last ever naked city gig on their last tour. he said that another reason for them stopping naked city was that they were simply becoming too popular, and that they didn't want to fall into the trap of "recording album-touring-recording album-touring". joey said that everyone involved in the band felt that they were - back then - getting to a point where they didn't have enough time for their other projects. patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 09:38:24 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Re: classic guide to strategy Zachary J. Griffin wrote: > > > anyway: do any of you if said cd is based on the book of the same name > > by the greatest samurai of all times, miyamoto musashi? > > > > patRice > > > > - > > Right author, wrong book. According to the Zorn-written liner notes "The > Classic Guide to Strategy" is a five volume project, following the five > chapters of "The Book of Five Rings". > > Zach Griffin thanks for your answer, zach. it is the right book then. because the full title is: "a book of five rings. the classic guide to strategy." (and, to any of you who might be interested: it is available as one single book; amazon.com has it listed.) patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:01:46 +0200 From: Yves Dewulf Subject: Re: Zorn Q&A at Tonic/Joey Baron > however, i talked to joey baron after the second last ever naked city > gig on their last tour. > he said that another reason for them stopping naked city was that they > were simply becoming too popular, and that they didn't want to fall into > the trap of "recording album-touring-recording album-touring". joey said > that everyone involved in the band felt that they were - back then - > getting to a point where they didn't have enough time for their other > projects. I believe this was the same reason Baron gave for leaving the Bill Frisell Trio some years ago. He wanted to concentrate on his own projects like Barondown. YVes - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:55:08 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Re: Zorn Q&A at Tonic IOUaLive1@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/2/99 3:54:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gda@datacomm.ch > writes: > > > however, i talked to joey baron after the second last ever naked city > > gig on their last tour. > > So the Sept. 18, 1993 Knit show wasnt their last gig? Where did you see them > after that? > > -Jody don't know about the september 18, 1993, show at the knit. i was talking about the very last tour they did in 1992. that year i saw them in zurich on may 6. the knit show in 1993, as far as i remember, was a one-off thing. patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 13:49:20 GMT From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Christian Marclay Patrice wrote: >047 - PIECES POUR STANDARDS ET REPONDEURS TELEPHONIQUES: various artists > > This record features Karl Biscuit, Jean-Baptiste Bruant/Maria Spangaro, > Paul Lovens, Albert Marcoeur, Maurice Roche, Christian Marclay, Guigou > Chenevier, Gerard Buquet, Sylvia Bossu, Bernard Perrot, Roland Helie, >Marc > Lauras, Association Notoire, Le Quan Ninh, Heiner Goebbels, Marylene >Negro, > Eric Ferrand, Hans-Ulrich Obrist, Nicolas Collins, Eric Maillet, >Noritoshi > Hirakawa, Kasper T. Toeplitz, Edmund Campion, Daunik Lazro, Jerome > Noetinger, Lawrence Weiner, Paul De Marinis, Bertrand Lavier, Christian > Boltanski, Guy Sapin, Jacques Rebotier. > > 6/ Busy (Marclay) >1:00 > > Recorded 1992 > > Christian Marclay: turntables. > > 1992 - Nouvelles Scenes, NS 01 (CD) Does anyone know where one could get a copy of this CD? I couldn't find it at Forced Exposure. Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:09:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeni Dahmus Subject: RE: Zorn Q&A at Tonic On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Vanheumen, Robert wrote: > >Did anyone attend Zorn's question and answer session at Tonic? > yes. some 40 people did. and it was great. Was it videotaped? > 'do you really have 32,000 lp's'... > this last question was the trigger for zorn to clarify that he thought the > article in the new yorker was a piece of shit, written by some moron he > trusted and who obviously misused this trust. he was not happy about it. to > say the least. Did Zorn say exactly why he dislikes the article? I wonder if Kaplan showed it to him before it was published. Jeni - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #691 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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