From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #758 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, September 20 1999 Volume 02 : Number 758 In this issue: - Anyone want to trade for my Locus Solus Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #757 CD sale Re: derek bailey - Guitar, Drum, and bass decent record stores near Schiphol Airport Re: decent record stores near Schiphol Airport Re: Ponga... Sale exchange updates. RE: Ponga... Spillane Bob Ostertag/Aaly Trio w KVD at Tonic uri cain - mahler live? surfin' Re: uri cain - mahler live? Re: uri cain - mahler live? RE: ellington. Re: uri cain - mahler live? Re: uri cain - mahler live? Re: decent record stores near Schiphol Airport Re: uri cain - mahler live? Uri Caine/Tzadik ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:46:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "David J. Strauss" Subject: Anyone want to trade for my Locus Solus Sifting through my collection I found an extra copy of Zorn's Locus Solus on Tzadik. If anyone wants to trade for it, let me know. I also have a copy of the Greg Ribot disc (w/brother Mark) if anyone is interested. DS djs2852@is.nyu.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:30:23 EDT From: Nervenet@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #757 Aaron wrote: <> I'll add yet another vote for Blanton-Webster Years with one caveat. If the cheap comp you have is the one I'm thinking of, it has a good number of the best cuts from B-WY. If the sound quality of the circa 1940-1942 cuts on that comp is problematic for you, you may find that sound quality is an obstacle in digging B-WY. Other personal faves: "...And His Mother Called Him Bill" from 1967. All compositions by the recently deceased Billy Strayhorn and a fantastic set overall, with the tune "Bloodcount" and Hodges's solo on it especially standing out to my ears as tour de force. The 1956 set at Newport that someone mentioned is a very nice one that I go back to a lot. "The Afro-Eurasian Eclipse" from 1971 - another late one with some heavy rhythmic action. My enjoyment of this may partially be tied to it being the first Duke I ever got, but as objectively as i can hear it it still sounds great. I also enjoy the recently reissued "Black Brown and Beige" (Columbia single disc, not the 3CD RCA/Bluebird set, although that has its moments as well) from 1958 because it features Mahalia Jackson who I have a big soft spot for. Very weighty and gloomy. Heavy handed in the extreme and no less an album for that. Hope your Duke hunt goes well. Patrick Brown nervenet@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:43:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Pratt Subject: CD sale I've got some CDs I'm looking to sell - please e-mail me privately for the list. Apologies to those who are annoyed by this sort of thing. -Tom Pratt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:47:20 +0200 From: Julien Quint Subject: Re: derek bailey - Guitar, Drum, and bass Orangejazz@aol.com wrote: > I was considering picking up "Guitar, Drum and Bass", however, all of > the press i've read about this album completely slams it. I was > wondering if anyone knew what was so terrible about this album? Is it > just because it's electronic music that bothers people? I think the main reason people are slamming this album is that the idea is good but not the execution. Derek is playing pretty well, but the beats are a real let-down and past the suprise of the first couple minutes, there's nothing more to hear. On the other hand, "Derek and Rhythms" on the Bingo lable uses the same principles and is a much better, thanks to the greater variety and quality of the collaborations. Julien - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:58:12 +0200 From: "Kolk, Huub van der" Subject: decent record stores near Schiphol Airport Someone asked where to buy records near Schiphol Airport. If you can make it to the center of Amsterdam (it takes about a small hour from Schiphol to the center), visit Get Records. They have allmost all the Tzadiks and related stuff. By train it takes half an hour to The Hague. In The Wagenstraat you find Jazz Center. They have naerly every thinkable jazzrecord in store. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:09:45 +0200 From: "J.T. de Boer" Subject: Re: decent record stores near Schiphol Airport And when your in Amsterdam anyway, please visit Staalplaat. They also carry all Tzadik-releases, but about 10-15 guilders (5-7 US$) cheaper than Get Records. Besides Tzadik they specialize in labels such as Soleilmoon, Mego, Mode and the like. Excellent store! Vist their website at: http://www.staalplaat.com Enjoy, Jeroen > Someone asked where to buy records near Schiphol Airport. > If you can make it to the center of Amsterdam (it takes about a small > hour from Schiphol to the center), visit Get Records. They have allmost > all the Tzadiks and related stuff. By train it takes half an hour to The > Hague. In The Wagenstraat you find Jazz Center. They have naerly every > thinkable jazzrecord in store. > > - > > Jeroen de Boer co-director Cyberslag Foundation music director Open Electronic Festival Munnekeholm 10 9711 JA Groningen, The Netherlands usva-th1@bureau.rug.nl J.T.de.Boer@let.rug.nl tel. 0031 (0)50-3637513 fax. 0031 (0)50-3632209 http://www.cyberslag.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:20:14 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Ponga... On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Theodorus Klaase wrote: > > I have the Ponga album and I think it falls quite a bit short when > compared to the Pigpen albums. Those albums not only stand up to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And besides the fact that Wayne plays in both, why do you compare them? I mean, the music and spirit are quite different between Pigpen and Ponga. You would say that about Pigpen and Zony Mash, I could understand. Patrice (who loves both Pigpen and Ponga). - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:36:47 +0100 From: "Scott" Subject: Sale exchange updates. I've just updated my sale/exchange list with a couple of Tzadik titles and some other stuff. URL below. Scott http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk/list.html White Noise For experimental events in Scotland http://www.burntweeny.freeserve.co.uk - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:59:50 -0300 From: Linares Hugo Subject: RE: Ponga... > On Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Theodorus Klaase wrote: > > > > I have the Ponga album and I think it falls quite a bit short when > > compared to the Pigpen albums. Those albums not only stand up to > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Patrice Roussel wrote: > And besides the fact that Wayne plays in both, why do you compare them? > I mean, the music and spirit are quite different between Pigpen and Ponga. > You would say that about Pigpen and Zony Mash, I could understand. > > Patrice (who loves both Pigpen and Ponga). > And you would say that about The President and The New York Composers, I could understand. Hugo (who loves Pigpen, Ponga, The President, The New York Composers and Robin Holcomb) > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: A Subject: Spillane Hi I´m new on the list. I´ve seen the Spillane reissue about 2 months ago. One of my friends has a CD store and he ordered it for me, I´ll buy it some day probably. Anyway, it has the Spillane long composition, not the whole Nonesuch album. It also has a piece which is said to be out of print for aeons, called Godard, and a Christmas song called Blue Noel I think. On a used CD store I found a Bill Frisell CD the other day, on Nonesuch, apparently from 1996, Eyvind Kang plays on it and I wonder, is it good???? A _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:19:58 -0400 From: brian_olewnick@smtplink.mssm.edu Subject: Bob Ostertag/Aaly Trio w KVD at Tonic Back to back shows this past Saturday. Ostertag's set was divided into a solo Mac piece and an improv trio with Denman Maroney and Theo Bleckman. The solo set was suprisingly thin and somewhat shallow, the sounds coaxed from the Mac (via joystick and keyboards) seeming like a succession of effects, often deliberately cartoonish, to no great effect. The trio was far more successful, especially towards the beginning where a drone-like atmosphere was developed and worked. Maroney, saddled with Tonic's upright and thus unable to engage in his usual basin-hurling nonetheless managed to make do creatively both manipulating the stringboard and playing "normally". Bleckman (first time I've heard him) has an enjoyable voice, generally employed non-histrionically, but suffers a bit from a syndrome often seen in percussionists, ie, he uses a number of techniques (one might, non-perjoratively, say gimmicks), either with voice alone or augmented by implements, which he cycles through, a minute or two at a time, rather than staying in one "area" and developing it. Still, a pretty good set. Ostertag, at least on this occasion, was far more intriguing in a group setting than solo and showed a special affinity in accompanying Bleckman's vocalizations. Aaly/KVD pulled out most of the stops with the opening number and rarely let up. Sprawling, urgent, heartfelt free (ish) jazz of a very high order. Part of their success seems to derive from a kind of conservative strategy (in this context): 1) they hold down the length of their solos (that is to five or six minutes, unlike less inspired players who tend to go on three times as long) and 2) they generally either bracket their pieces with or move towards tight little kernals of thematic material, often riff-based. Part of me recoils a wee bit at this relative crowd-pleasing approach but, hell, they pull it off at such a high, strong level that I'm reluctant to carp much. Both saxists were in fine form and really play well off one another, Gustafsson tending towards the manic, Vandermark a little more restrained and considered. This show was part of the annoying CMJ fest and the full house was presumably in part due to that fact, but the crowd loved it and brought the band back for an encore: a haunting, lovely KVD tribute to Harry Carney. Fine stuff (only disappointed that the regular bassist--Persson?--didn't make the gig; love his work on disc). Brian Olewnick NP (on radio): the Prelapse portion of the new Zorn disc. Um.....intricately noisy! - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:58:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Whit Schonbein Subject: uri cain - mahler live? since it does not appear to be possible to search the archives (or maybe i'm just missing something), i was hoping someone could tell me: a friend of mine stopped by DMG last week to pick up the new uri caine mahler project disc i heard mentioned on the list, and was told it was not released yet. i assumed DMG would have it as an import if it had been released in europe. the question is: has it been released /anywhere/, and where might one get it via mailorder if it has been released? or, anyone know the US release date? thanks, whit - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:19:18 -0400 From: "Bob Kowalski" Subject: surfin' I'm on the prowl for New England based music for a radio show and have so = far tracked down The 9th Wave, Strangemen (! damn they're Channel 2000 is = good,) Cadillac Hitmen, X Ray Tango, Seks B.O.M.B.A., Pink Martini = (doesn't need to be entirely instrumental,) Martinson Brothers, The Fully = Celebrated Orchestra, Sugar Twins, The Ray Corvair Trio, Big Ray & the = Futuras, and the Fathoms. From all the fans of the Naked City Radio CD out there, I know there has = to be at least a few afficianados of surf, spy, instrumental supreme = (think Alloy Orchestra, Concussion Ensemble, Combustible Edison) tunes. = Any ideas, hints, comments would be way cool. Bob - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:14:48 -0400 From: "Daniel L Brown" Subject: Re: uri cain - mahler live? > since it does not appear to be possible to search the archives (or maybe > i'm just missing something), i was hoping someone could tell me: a friend > of mine stopped by DMG last week to pick up the new uri caine mahler > project disc i heard mentioned on the list, and was told it was not > released yet. i assumed DMG would have it as an import if it had been > released in europe. the question is: has it been released /anywhere/, and > where might one get it via mailorder if it has been released? or, anyone > know the US release date? Looking in The Penguin Guide To Jazz on CD here, I see an album under Uri Caine's listing called "Urlicht/Primal Light" released on the Winter & Winter label. (part # 910 004) - perhaps this is what you were looking for? Also, as a related topic - A New Uri Cane album is slated to be released in Tzadik's Radical Jewish Culture series. Dann - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:28:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: uri cain - mahler live? Nope, Daniel was looking for the new double live Mahler which has just appeared in Europe, If it's as good as the one below, we'll all be short of cash. On a related topic has anyone heard Zohar, the KnittingFactory disk with Caine in duo with, I think a cantor(?)/hand drummer. Good, bad indifferent? Ken Waxman On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Daniel L Brown :> > Looking in The Penguin Guide To Jazz on CD here, I see an album under Uri > Caine's listing called "Urlicht/Primal Light" released on the Winter & > Winter label. (part # 910 004) - perhaps this is what you were looking for? > > Also, as a related topic - A New Uri Cane album is slated to be released in > Tzadik's Radical Jewish Culture series. > > Dann > - > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:38:34 -0700 From: "Dave Egan" Subject: RE: ellington. > Aaron Chee-Kean Chua wrote: > > > with the reissues of a number of Duke Ellington's albums on cd, i was > > wondering which albums are the personal favourites of fellow z-list > > members ( since the breadth of his output would probably make it > > meaningless to ask where a good jumping-on point would be.) I forgot one of my faves on my earlier post on this thread. "Piano Duets: Great Times" on Riverside is totally delightful. Ellington and Strayhorn do piano duets all through the CD with unobtrusive accompaniment. Sound quality is a bit iffy, but the performances are superb. - - Dave - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:54:41 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: uri cain - mahler live? On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:14:48 -0400 "Daniel L Brown" wrote: > > Looking in The Penguin Guide To Jazz on CD here, I see an album under Uri > Caine's listing called "Urlicht/Primal Light" released on the Winter & > Winter label. (part # 910 004) - perhaps this is what you were looking for? If it is in The Penguin Guide To Jazz, it can't be the record that this person is asking for. I mean, as soon as something is in the Guide, it is old hat for us :-). Patrice. > Also, as a related topic - A New Uri Cane album is slated to be released in > Tzadik's Radical Jewish Culture series. PS: BTW, did people hear Uri Caine's interview on Fresh Air (NPR)? It was quite nice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:04:39 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: uri cain - mahler live? On Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:14:48 -0400 "Daniel L Brown" wrote: > > Also, as a related topic - A New Uri Cane album is slated to be released in > Tzadik's Radical Jewish Culture series. Where did you read about that? Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:43:08 -0400 From: "wetboy" Subject: Re: decent record stores near Schiphol Airport isn't there a place in amsterdam that has a death metal type store next 2 a hip-hop store (or some such combo)? i thought these 2 places were cool, but i can't remember the names. just a few blocks from centraal station, but i cannot remember the names. help? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kolk, Huub van der To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 6:58 AM Subject: decent record stores near Schiphol Airport > Someone asked where to buy records near Schiphol Airport. > If you can make it to the center of Amsterdam (it takes about a small > hour from Schiphol to the center), visit Get Records. They have allmost > all the Tzadiks and related stuff. By train it takes half an hour to The > Hague. In The Wagenstraat you find Jazz Center. They have naerly every > thinkable jazzrecord in store. > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:37:44 -0400 From: "Daniel L Brown" Subject: Re: uri cain - mahler live? > If it is in The Penguin Guide To Jazz, it can't be the record that > this person is asking for. I mean, as soon as something is in the Guide, > it is old hat for us :-). Ah well, tried to help. =) I -have- heard Caine's rendition of "Hava Negilah" on Knitting Factory's Jewish Alternative Movement compilation - along with Hasidic New Wave, it's the highlight of the disc. Highly recommended! Dann - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:44:49 -0400 From: "Daniel L Brown" Subject: Uri Caine/Tzadik > > Also, as a related topic - A New Uri Cane album is slated to be released in > > Tzadik's Radical Jewish Culture series. > > Where did you read about that? In late August, Downtown music Gallery sent me a pamphlet listing the entire Tzadik cataloge. On the back page, it had a list of "Upcoming Releases" - here's what the list said: COMPOSER SERIES Sprut Zeena Parkins Otomo Yoshihide Lois Vierk Geroge Lewis John Zorn Peter Garland Gordon Mumma Gerry Hemmingway (yes!) RADICAL JEWISH CULTURE Uri Caine New Klezmer Trio Jewlia Eisenberg Oren Bloedow & Jennifer Charles Gary Lucas NEW JAPAN Friction Yoshihara Sumire Death Ambient II Dosage Yuka Honda ARCHIVAL SERIES Music Romance Vol. 2 - Taboo & Exile Xu Feng Cobra Curling Filmworks IX LUNATIC FRINGE Danny Cohen Unfortunately, no release dates were listed, but at least we know what they're planning on releasing! =) Dann - - - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #758 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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