From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #787 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, November 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 787 In this issue: - RE: tip for lmc fans in nyc Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc zorn in pekar comic Otomo/Marclay 7" Lounge Lizards Re: Otomo/Marclay 7" patton @ kf Chicago Tribune Lester Obit URL tip for lmc fans in nyc Juxtaposition Net Radio evolves into 49/32 Radio masada @ middleheim other musings another lester bowie obit OT: Sites for small labels? yusef lateef Re: other musings Re: masada @ middleheim Re: yusef lateef Mr. Silly Lounge Act ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:11:51 -0500 From: "Ljova" Subject: RE: tip for lmc fans in nyc Dear Steve: In your previous post, you used a bunch of abbreviations which are completely unknown to me, and I'd like to know what they are. COuld you please decipher the following: hatHUT "Kim's an OM" OM DMG "NP - Art Ensemble of Chicago" (I'm interested in what NP has to do with AEC) Thanks! - -Ljova - -------- Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin L@Ljova.com http://www.Ljova.com "Do not fear mistakes - there are none." -Miles Davis > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 12:36 AM > To: Tom Pratt > Cc: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc > > > Tom Pratt wrote: > > > --- kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: > > > > > > I was at Kim's on Bleeker (the one near NYU) last > > > night. They have 4 or 5 copies of the newly released > > > Loren MazzaCane Connors & Jim O'Rourke In Bern on > > > Hat Noir for $10.99. > > > > That's probably because Loren sold them to Kim's > > directly while Other Music bought them through a > > distributer. > > That was going to be my guess, seeing as how I bought said disc last > night at Downtown Music Gallery for $11.99 because Bruce, too, bought > his copies from Loren. But since Tom has stepped up and told the story, > there's little need for my guesswork, now, is there? > > > If you compare the regular price for hatHUT discs at > > Kim's an OM, I think you'll find them to be very > > similar. > > Absolutely true. Thus, I tend to buy hat releases at OM in almost every > instance except in cases where DMG has an even-lower rock bottom price > due to having purchased them from artists who only sell to Bruce. I > therefore tend to buy most of my Matt Shipp discs at DMG, and got a > ridiculous deal on the last Joe McPhee CD as well... (Tom, if Matt is > selling to you guys directly as well now, please correct me...) > > > Nice disc, by the way... > > Seconded. It's beautiful. But the bit about Cage and country music is > kinda silly, dontcha think? > > Steve Smith > ssmith36@sprynet.com > NP - Art Ensemble of Chicago, "Uncle," 'Urban Bushmen' (ECM) > (... mourning the loss of Lester Bowie ...) > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:55:35 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: tip for lmc fans in nyc Ljova wrote: > hatHUT Incredibly important Swiss recording company that has championed new music for well over a decade or so, which currently features three different lines of releases:hatOLOGY - new jazz hat[now]ART - new classical (i.e., "composed" music, whether by standard notation, graphic notation, I-Ching tossing or something else altogether...) hatNOIR - music that doesn't fit into either of the above categories see http://www.hathut.com for more details. > "Kim's an OM" Kim's Underground and Other Music, two New York City record stores that specialize in avant-garde music recordings. Kim's has a few shops around town, most notably on St. Mark's Place and on LaGuardia at Bleecker; Other Music is on E. 4th on the sunny side of the street as opposed to Tower Records. Zornlister Tom Pratt works at Other Music as of lately... > OM Other Music. See above and also http://www.othermusic.com > DMG Downtown Music Gallery. See above and also http://www.dtmgallery.com > "NP - Art Ensemble of Chicago" NP = "now playing" - in other words, what is playing on my stereo while I'm typing my messages. Hope all's clear now, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Lester Bowie with Fela (WKCR Lester Bowie memorial broadcast) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:38:54 +0100 From: "Mendonca, David" Subject: zorn in pekar comic the writer harvey pekar has done a brief (2p.) story about zorn in a recent appearance of _american splendor_. the art is by joe sacco. harvey has been writing about jazz for some time; another of his recent comics (sorry, don't remember the name) was devoted entirely to music, especially jazz. reference: publisher: dark horse comics series: dark horse maverick: neo-realism (one-shot) date: sept. 99 david - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:12:51 -0500 From: "Jason J. Tar" Subject: Otomo/Marclay 7" >Marclay's side consists of a pretty standard 2-minute >sample/collage thing that doesn't leave too big an >impression (on me at least). Not only that, but it is the same track as on _Turntables Solo_ compilation. So much for "previously unreleased". >Now, on Otomo's side of this new 7", I'm *definitely* hearing some >pretty obvious samples from Ikeda's '0 Degrees'. > >I don't quite know what to make of it all... I'm thinking it could be coincidence. Ikeda and Sachiko seem to be working very much in the same fields of sound, and Otomo's source could very likely be her, not him. Especially in the context of the ISO show itself. BTW--The new TV Pow (er, um, Telivision Power Experiment or something like that) looks to be very good. Anyone hear it yet? JJTar. - --- Peace Hugs and Unity Jason J. Tar W. W. J. D? (What would Jason Do?) http://www.msu.edu/user/tarjason ICQ@13792120 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:26:02 +0100 From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Lounge Lizards Hello All, Does anybody know why Knit canceled all Lounge Lizards Anniversary shows? Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.shkin.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:41:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: Otomo/Marclay 7" - --- "Jason J. Tar" wrote: > > Marclay's side consists of a pretty standard > > 2-minute sample/collage thing that doesn't leave > > too big an impression (on me at least). > > Not only that, but it is the same track as on > _Turntables Solo_ compilation. So much for > "previously unreleased". Huh, I didn't notice that. Also worth mentioning is that, according to the little pamphlet inside the 7", Gentle Giant is planning on releasing the 'Box Full Of Ghosts' which will include all three of the split 7" singles (yes, including the Otomo/Marclay) and a video compilation. > > Now, on Otomo's side of this new 7", I'm > > *definitely* hearing some pretty obvious samples > > from Ikeda's '0 Degrees'. > > > >I don't quite know what to make of it all... > > I'm thinking it could be coincidence. Ikeda and > Sachiko seem to be working very much in the same > fields of sound, and Otomo's source could very likely > be her, not him. Especially in the context of the > ISO show itself. I don't buy it. I'm talking about a *succession* of sounds which are *exactly* the same as Ikeda's. -Tom Pratt ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:43:08 EST From: APoesia794@aol.com Subject: patton @ kf did anyone make it to the patton gig last night at the kf? any reviews, comments etc? if anyone taped it please emial me privately. jt - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:55:56 -0800 From: schwitterz Subject: Chicago Tribune Lester Obit URL http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/obituaries/article/0,2669,SAV-9911100131,FF.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:22:27 -0600 From: "Christopher Lupold" Subject: tip for lmc fans in nyc This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BF2BA8.8B2DD500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While I'm not working, has anyone heard a new rerelease of an accoustic = record Loren did with a woman folk singer whose name I forget (not Suzanne = Langille). Are you talking about the "Moonlight" LMC did with Kath Bloom and = Robert Crotty (St. Joan 3)? I didn't know that one was out on CD. Kinda = makes me wish I hadn't made a CD-r of my LP.=20 =20 I was at Kim's on Bleeker (the one near NYU) last night. They have 4 or = 5 copies of the newly released Loren MazzaCane Connors & Jim O'Rourke In Bern on = Hat Noir for $10.99.=20 I don't think I'll be able to get that one as cheaply, but on the = topic of great buys: $24 for the LMC 4CD set on Ecstatic Yod just made my week. 10-4 - -Christopher Lupold - ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BF2BA8.8B2DD500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
While I'm not working, has anyone heard a new = rerelease of an=20 accoustic record
Loren did with a woman folk singer whose name I = forget (not=20 Suzanne Langille).
 
  Are you talking about the "Moonlight" LMC did with Kath = Bloom=20 and Robert Crotty (St. Joan 3)? I didn't know that one was out on CD. = Kinda=20 makes me wish I hadn't made a CD-r of my LP.
 
I was at Kim's on Bleeker (the one near = NYU) last=20 night. They have 4 or 5 copies
of the newly released Loren MazzaCane = Connors=20 & Jim O'Rourke In Bern on Hat Noir
for $10.99.
 
  I don't think I'll be able to get that one as cheaply, but = on the=20 topic of great buys:
 $24 for the LMC 4CD set on Ecstatic Yod just made my = week.
 
10-4
-Christopher Lupold
- ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BF2BA8.8B2DD500-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:37:43 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Juxtaposition Net Radio evolves into 49/32 Radio Juxtaposition Net Radio - the worlds first all microtonal streaming audio program - is celebrating it's 5 month anniversary by changing it's name: from now on the program will be known as: 49/32 Radio "microtonal music all the time" This Sunday 11/14/1999, 11-3pm EST, we have a special program of North Indian Classical music with Steve Gorn (flute) and Michael Harrison (voice) recorded live in New York city on Sept. 24, 1999. http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/j_index.htm#events And since Michael is performing Incantations: Music For The Harmonically Tuned Piano at Roulette that evening at 9pm, we'll be also playing his album From Ancient Worlds (New Albion). His press release: http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/991114.htm So get your Real Audio upgraded and join the celebration. If you can't make the connection at showtime, check the show out in the archives also at: http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/j_index.htm#events Recent programs have featured: Brij Bhushan Kabra & Zakir Hussain, Harry Bertoia, Gaduri, Alan Lamb, The Music of Laos and The Music of Islam and Sufism in Morocco from the Anthology of World Music, Keenan Lawler, Ian Nagoski, the Dagar Brothers, Glenn Branca, Ellen Fullman, Nancy Lesh, Thelonius Monk, The Catler Bros., Birdhouse, Jimi Hendrix, Steel Blue, La Monte Young's Forever Bad Blues Band. Ornette Coleman, Kyle Gann, David B. Doty and Ben Neill. - -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * J u x t a p o s i t i o n N e t R a d i o * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:30:51 -0800 From: "wetboy" Subject: masada @ middleheim does any1 have any details about this show? i know it was in october, but an exact date would b helpful. np: koRn - issues "here's a couple of thousand dollars. i want you to direct a picture. every couple of pages it has to have nudity, a little violence here and a little action there, otherwise you can do what you want with it." criterion ld/dvd info: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/vine/9374 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 12:48:34 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: other musings ok, ok, i shouldn'ta said anything about the prices at a certain record store in new york. they are usually only slightly higher, and sometimes lower, than other nearbly like-minded shops. and they do sometimes get new releases, especially japanese, way before other stores. but since i started it, they do also sell used cds on occaison for astronomical amounts. i've seen out-of-print but hardly rare things for 3 or 4 times what a nearby store is charging for the same used disc at the same time, and i've seen that happen quite a bit. i also saw a disc marked 'out of print $25' once which was not even out of print. it's offputting because they've got a great selection. but, as my granny would say, they're mighty proud of their records. and they're rude besides. but, y'know, just my 'pinions. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:00:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Keldon Drudge Subject: another lester bowie obit there's a lester bowie obituary in the guardian today (nov. 11); it is accessible on the net at http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,3604,102267,00.html although, like the ny times, the guardian requires you to register for access to their site. keldon - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:18:06 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: OT: Sites for small labels? Not directly Zorn-related, but I suspect there may be those who can answer this here, since we have a few label-meisters... Can someone recommend an e-commerce site that would carry discs with small distribution. As I've mentioned here, we've put out three CD-R releases recently, and would like them to be available for Web-purchasing. Any suggestions? Backchannel if you'd like, and I'll summarize to the list if there's interest. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Shekhinah: The Presence http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 15:01:23 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: yusef lateef just picked up the reissue of rahsaan roland kirk's 'the case of the 3 sided dream in audio color' in a 2-disc set with lateef's 'part of the search.' i'm not really familiar with lateef and this is, i think, one of the oddest things i've ever heard -- straight ahead songs (jazz, country-blues, doo wop, something that reminds me of benny hill) sometimes cutting off suddenly with brief segues between. the booklet has notes from rrk's original release and the line-up for 'search.' so i assume if there was anything enlightening about the record included when it came out (early, mid 70s? doesn't say), that would be included. can anyone shed light for me on lateef or this record? was he always such a nut? i do like the record -- at least, i'm pretty sure i do. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:17:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: other musings > but since i started it, they do also sell used cds > on occaison for astronomical amounts. i've seen out- > of-print but hardly rare things for 3 or 4 times > what a nearby store is charging for the same used > disc at the same time, and i've seen that happen > quite a bit. There's also a flipside to that, Kurt. If you bring in a used CD that's rare or out-of-print, you'll get good money for it. So, sure, OM will sell a used copy of Agencement's 'Viosphere' for $35, but the guy who sold it to the store probably made off with $25-30. They wouldn't have gotten nearly that much at Kim's. The person who does the used buying at OM is a very knowledgeable, hardcore collector. He knows what things are worth and what people will pay for them. But unlike most knowledgeable buyers, he doesn't screw over the customer whose looking to sell their stuff. I'm sorry if you don't like it that way. -Tom Pratt ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:51:24 -0500 From: "Dann-Brown" Subject: Re: masada @ middleheim > does any1 have any details about this show? i know it was in october, but an > exact date would b helpful. The Tzadik website give a release date of November 30. They also give November 16 as the releasse date for Taboo & Exile. - -Dann NP: TMBG - "Thermostat" - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:01:07 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: yusef lateef Summarizing YL's career in a nutshell is nearly impossible. I'd suggest you do a Web search under his name and you're sure to find a wealth of information. Briefly Lateef (real name Bill Evans) was first a saxophonist in the late swing, early bop era. Following his conversion to Islam, he moved to Detroit where he studied flute, oboe and various ethnic instruments. He began recording to a modified hard bop/Eastern sound style for Savoy and Prestige in the 1950s. He later was a member of Cannonball Adderley's group in the 1960s and since then has been on his own. He has recorded albums in every style from hyper-bebop to "exoticism" to so-called New Ag to funky tenor battles, taught in the United States and Africa and is generally recognized as one of the first Americans legitimately interested in world music. Ken Waxman - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:58:57 -0500 From: Gary/Cheri Gettier Subject: Mr. Silly Lounge Act Greg and I saw the Mr. Bungle show last night at Recher Theater in Towson, MD. I was very disappointed. These guys are like a bad spoof lounge act now. They played almost only songs from their new album, a few from the 2nd one, the crappy ones. The lone bright spot was Travolta. This song rocked, and the place was going wild. They had a great crowd response for this song. They did play another song from the first album, My Ass Is On Fire, but it was such a shitty disco lounge fucked up version of the song, I don't want to talk about it. In 3 albums, this band has gone from having a CD in my top 10 all time, a concert I rank in the top 5, to having a CD I'll play frisbee with, and a concert that is by far the worst one I've seen this year, and probably for years to come. Gary - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary M. Gettier openmind@erols.com "No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the sum of his knowledge." - Ayn Rand - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #787 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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