From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #823 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, January 6 2000 Volume 02 : Number 823 In this issue: - Re: Any clue where to find COMME DES GARCONS + REMIXES? RE: elegant spanking / the black glove Re: since waves? RE: elegant spanking / the black glove Re: RE: elegant spanking / the black glove more Bailey Recs Bailey Collaborations Re: HypoerBeatles 2 BRAD SHEPIK Re: BRAD SHEPIK Re: since waves? Re: since waves? Re: more Bailey Recs Re: Any clue where to find COMME DES GARCONS + REMIXES? Re: more Bailey Recs Re: more Bailey Recs Re: more Bailey Recs Re: Re: more Bailey Recs TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects Re: more Bailey Recs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 08:46:58 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Any clue where to find COMME DES GARCONS + REMIXES? On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:54:50 -0800 (PST) Tosh wrote: > > This is a real long shot, but you may want to try the Comme des Garcons > shop in Tokyo. Perhaps they sell it at their store...or one of the other > stores around the world. Also I believe it came out in the states. The > cd's were sold seperately. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Are you sure of that? I know that it is the case for the non-remix version, but my question was about COMME DES GARCONS + *REMIXES*. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:59:14 -0500 From: "Vanheumen, Robert" Subject: RE: elegant spanking / the black glove i was very lucky to go to this festival in amsterdam a couple of years ago where they showed a couple of movies zorn wrote the score form. the black glove was one of them. great suspense, nice camera work, a lot of leather and wax. the audience held its breath collectively... i'm thinking about ordering it. robert > -----Original Message----- > From: patRice [SMTP:gda@datacomm.ch] > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 5:27 AM > To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Subject: elegant spanking / the black glove > > have any of you ever actually seen either one of those films? > > any comments? > > thanks. > > patRice > > np: nirvana - never mind > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:24:35 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: since waves? > From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) > Actually, if you suffer from tinnitus, high frequency sine waves can be > very painful. I haven't heard "Cathode" and don't find "I.S.O" painful > myself, but there are parts of Ikeda's "+/-" that are almost excruciating > to me (this after 20 years of playing in and mixing loud bands). Not that I > don't enjoy the record, I really like it, but I do have to force myself > through certain parts. My girlfriend once got physically ill from an > Elliott Sharp performance where he was playing with very high frequency > difference tones. - -Difference- tones happen below two notes. +Summation+ tones happen above. That may be where the title of +/- came from. What you were probably hearing was two overtones beating against each other. - -- * D a v i d B e a r d s l e y * xouoxno@virtulink.com * * 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time" * M E L A v i r t u a l d r e a m house monitor * * http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:41:23 -0800 From: johnzorn Subject: RE: elegant spanking / the black glove Speaking of ordering, anyone know where I might be able to order some movies zorn has scored? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 13:58:54 -0500 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: RE: elegant spanking / the black glove > Speaking of ordering, anyone know where I might be able to order > some movies zorn has scored? "Sadistic City" has been released on Hong Kong video, dubbed into Cantonese with Chinese and English subtitles. Can be found in your local Chinese video store. LT - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 14:58:55 -0500 From: David Keffer Subject: more Bailey Recs A while back I solicited some recommendations for Derek Bailey solo cds from members of the Zorn-list. That proved a very useful thing to do. I have found "Drop me off at 96th", "Public & Domestic Pieces", "Fairly early with Postscripts", "Solo Guitar vol. 1", "solo guitar vol. 2", and "Takes, fakes, and dead she dances" all to be delightful. I like the nonidiomatic improv, the straight pieces, the spoken word pieces, all of it. A couple questions. (1) Are there other recommended solo albums out there and still easily available? What about "Lace" on EMANEM? Any comments? What about "Incus Taps" on ORGAN OF CORTI? (2) I am less impressed by Derek Bailey's collaborations. I have heard him with Zorn (Yankees), Keiji Haino, RUINS, Min Xiao Fen, and "Sign of Four" and none of them really bowled me over. I do however like Harras and I like the two things I have heard with Bailey and Min Tanaka. There are a ton of other collaborations out there and available. Does anybody have suggestions for Bailey collaborations that really stand out? (3) Has anybody heard the Joseph Holbrooke ep? What's it sound like? Thanks. David K. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 15:52:11 -0600 From: Webber's Subject: Bailey Collaborations David K. inquired about Derek Bailey collaborations worth a listen, these are my faves: _Pleistozaen Mit Wasser_ (FMP) w/ Cecil Taylor _Trio Playing_ (Incus) w/ John Butcher & Oren Marshall _Arch Duo_ (Rastascan) w/ Evan Parker _No Waiting_ (Potlatch) w/ Joelle Leandre Mike Webber - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:37:24 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: Re: HypoerBeatles 2 <> I have 1 &2; didn't know there was a 3 :( steve koenig ny editor, la folia music review ---> http://www.lafolia.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:25:29 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Ladd Subject: BRAD SHEPIK Whoever has the info reg. Brad in Chicago please post or email privately. thanks much, myk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:45:09 -0600 From: King Wilson Subject: Re: BRAD SHEPIK >Whoever has the info reg. Brad in Chicago please post or email >privately. According to New City, they are at Shuba's on Feb 19 read icculus - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:29:23 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: since waves? >> From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) > >> Actually, if you suffer from tinnitus, high frequency sine waves can be >> very painful. I haven't heard "Cathode" and don't find "I.S.O" painful >> myself, but there are parts of Ikeda's "+/-" that are almost excruciating >> to me (this after 20 years of playing in and mixing loud bands). Not that I >> don't enjoy the record, I really like it, but I do have to force myself >> through certain parts. My girlfriend once got physically ill from an >> Elliott Sharp performance where he was playing with very high frequency >> difference tones. > >-Difference- tones happen below two notes. +Summation+ >tones happen above. That may be where the title of +/- >came from. What you were probably hearing >was two overtones beating against each other. > Well, fuckin' excuse me. I *KNOW* the difference, so to speak, between sum and difference tones, I just figured that, this being the zorn-list, and not, say, the psycho-acoustic-effects-discussed-by-uptight-assholes list, that for the sake of brevity I could refer to what Sharp was doing as difference tones. What he was doing was this: with guitar, an ebow, a slide and a delay, he was playing sustained extremely high-pitched micro-intervals, creating low pitched difference tones, at extremely high volume, that caused my girlfriend, who *IS* a fan of his music, to have to leave the room quickly because it caused her extreme physical discomfort. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:29:20 -0500 From: "Rick Lopez" Subject: Re: since waves? >>> From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) >> >>> Actually, if you suffer from tinnitus... >> >>-Difference- tones happen below two notes. +Summation+... >> >Well, fuckin' excuse me. I *KNOW* the difference, so to speak, between sum >and difference tones, I just figured that, this being the zorn-list, and >not, say, the psycho-acoustic-effects-discussed-by-uptight-assholes list, Whoa. This must be one of those Y2K info scrambles, eh? Throw some water on it, quick! ;-) Rrrrrrr Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, William Parker, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp, David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman Discographies--Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc., at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k UPDATE August 20, 1999: vids, a few CDs, baseball books, a few Cadence back issues, a few more CDs... ***Very Various For Sale: ***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:52:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: more Bailey Recs - --- David Keffer wrote: > > A while back I solicited some recommendations for > Derek Bailey solo cds from members of the Zorn-list. > That proved a very useful thing to do. > > (1) Are there other recommended solo albums out > there and still easily available? > What about "Lace" on EMANEM? Any comments? > What about "Incus Taps" on ORGAN OF CORTI? I think 'Incus Taps' is pretty incredible. Lots of electric guitar and one of the best solo Bailey CDs. 'Lace' is an all-acoustic live show (from '89, I believe) with pretty long tracks. I think it's good, but not essential. One that I would highly recommend is 'Aida' which was re-issued onto CD by Dexter's Cigar. All acoustic and maybe my all-time favorite solo Bailey, though perhaps I'm biased since it was the first one I ever heard. > (2) I am less impressed by Derek Bailey's > collaborations. I have heard him with Zorn > (Yankees), Keiji Haino, RUINS, Min Xiao Fen, and > "Sign of Four" and none of them really bowled me > over Yeah, those didn't do much for me either. Off-hand, ones that I would recommend are 'Village Life' with Louis Moholo and Thebe Lipere, 'Soho Suites' with Tony Oxley, and 'Figuring' with Barre Phillips. I'm sure there are some others... Also, if you can track it down, Bailey's duo LP with Dave Holland on ECM is really great as well. -Tom Pratt np: Thomas Brinkmann - Susi / Trixi 12" (Ernst) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:03:35 -0600 From: howcome@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Any clue where to find COMME DES GARCONS + REMIXES? "Patrice L. Roussel" wrote: > Does anybody know where I can find the following record? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *** - COMME DES GARCONS + REMIXES: Seigen Ono > > 1998 - Saidera Records/ESCB neOSITE Discs (Japan), 1908 (2xCD) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Patrice. > > - For lots of money (42.74 plus ungodly shipping charges) you can get it at CD Japan. It lists it as ESCB-1907 (ESCB-1907/1908??) but it is the + remix CD. James http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 01:08:13 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: more Bailey Recs David Keffer wrote: > (1) Are there other recommended solo albums out there and still > easily available? > What about "Lace" on EMANEM? Any comments? > What about "Incus Taps" on ORGAN OF CORTI? Firstly, you've got most of the really important stuff. "Drop Me Off..." is simply one of my favorite DB discs of all, and the Incus and Emanem solo material is vital. Beyond those, I echo Tom Pratt's sentiments - "Incus Taps" is a valuable showcase of Derek's pithy early work (as is "Improvisation" on the Cramps label), and "Lace" is a more subdued (though very lovely) acoustic solo concert that many view as amongst Derek's best recent work. Further, though he somewhat qualified his recommendation of it, the reissue of "Aida" on Dexter's Cigar is as good as Tom says it is (and I heard lots of other Bailey before I heard "Aida" so I'm hardly swayed by nostalgia). What's more, you should grab it if you see it if only because Dexter's Cigar is already defunct. > (2) I am less impressed by Derek Bailey's collaborations. > [snip] > Does anybody have suggestions for Bailey collaborations that really stand out? Anything with Evan Parker should be grabbed. "Arch Duo" on Rastascan is the only easily attainable example, so get it quick. But if you ever spot any of their Incus vinyl collaborations, those should be considered no-brainers ("The London Concert" was the first I heard of either of them, and I'm still coming back for more...). And if you ever chance upon a copy of "The Topography of the Lungs" by Bailey, Parker and Bennink, well, do whatever you have to do... The duo with Cecil Taylor is fascinating for devotees of either or both, but does not feature the strongest example of either. The same could be said for the collaborations with Braxton. I'm especially fond of "Dart Drug," the duet with percussionist Jamie Muir (ex of Music Improvisation Company and King Crimson). "Village Life" with Moholo and Lipere has been roundly panned by many, but, like Tom, it's a favorite of mine. So is the disc with Barre Phillips, "Figuring," which Tom also mentioned. (For a self-proclaimed Bailey newcomer, Tom's really caught on rather quickly...) :-) More recently, I love the new "Daedal" with Susie Ibarra... but then, I simply love Susie Ibarra. Apparently, judging from a brief conversation I had with Derek after the first time he played with Susie, so does he. And I'm frankly quite amazed that no one's yet mentioned any of the duets with Han Bennink ("Live at Verity's" on Organ of Corti, "Han" and the two new "Air Mail Special" volumes on Incus, just to name the CDs). This relationship is as special as the Bailey/Parker connection - two incredibly strong and odd egos and senses of humor intersecting in the most remarkable ways. > (3) Has anybody heard the Joseph Holbrooke ep? What's it sound like? Not yet, but eventually. But if you're interested in really early Bailey, you could do worse than to check out "Karyobin" by the Spontaneous Music Ensemble, which is amongst Bailey's earliest completely free performances on disc. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - :zoviet-france: - "Angel's Pin Number," 'Digilogue' (Soleilmoon) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 02:28:25 -0500 From: eric ong Subject: Re: more Bailey Recs >I'm especially fond of "Dart Drug," the duet with percussionist Jamie Muir (ex of >Music Improvisation Company and King Crimson). woo, i just want to second steve smith's recommendation for this one. one of my favorites. you should probably be warned, tho, that (i'd say) it's a bit uncharacteristic sounding for bailey. it's mood-inducing with very dark ("dark drug") metallic noises everywhere, and kinda psychedelic at some points in an atmospheric way. most of the time, i have trouble picking out what bailey is doing or if he is playing at all. the improvs are long and strecthed out. i haven't listened to this in years but if i remember correctly, bailey lets muir really do his thing. dont play this stuff for yr patients if yr a mental health care professnal. ;) a few years ago muir popped up on some psych piano label disc with some ppl (hmm, was it david cunningham and who else?). the pan sonic w/ collaborators disc on piano completely escaped me. i can't find it anywhere now. bye bye eric - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 03:53:45 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: more Bailey Recs << (2) I am less impressed by Derek Bailey's collaborations. Does anybody have suggestions for Bailey collaborations that really stand out? >> some personal faves that haven't yet been mentioned: Derek/John Stevens-Playing (Incus)-from 1992, with some great mini-trumpet work by Stevens on a few tracks, in addition to his normal superb percussion. Derek/Min Tanaka (Revenant)-from 1980, Tanaka is a dancer, and in addition, you can hear the rain pounding on the roof while the record was being made. great rainy-day record. Derek/Various-Playing (Bingo)-released in early 1999, this is made up of various duos, many of which are beat-driven. vastly superior to the Guitar, Drums and Bass Avant CD. my favorite tracks are the ones with Darryl Moore (also known as D., collaborates with To Rococo Rot) and Sasha Frere-Jones (bassist from Ui, occasional Wire writer, and the guy who runs Bingo). one of my favorite CDs of 1999. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:08:31 -0500 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: more Bailey Recs >Derek/Various-Playing (Bingo)-released in early 1999, this is made up And surprisingly enough you can find this at Best Buy! LT - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:52:11 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: TripHop, Drum&Bass Projects Hello to all, I need recommendations for Trip Hop or Drum & Bass (or any electronic Dance genre)projects that any Jazz/Avant Garde artist has done. I know of the Derek Bailey/Dj Ninj collaboration "Guitars, Drums and Bass", and I have the Medeski Martin & Wood Remix EP "Bubblehouse" where Zorn plays, but that's basically it. If anyone can help me, I'd be very glad. thanks Neil H. Enet - ------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:00:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Pratt Subject: Re: more Bailey Recs - --- Steve Smith wrote: > > Anything with Evan Parker should be grabbed. "Arch > Duo" on Rastascan is the only easily attainable > example, so get it quick. But if you ever spot any > of their Incus vinyl collaborations, those should be > considered no-brainers ("The London Concert" was the > first I heard of either of them, and I'm still > coming back for more...). I'm pretty certain 'The London Concert' is still in print, actually. I know one of the Bailey/Parker Incus LPs is and I don't think it's 'Compatibles'. > And if you ever chance upon a copy of "The > Topography of the Lungs" by Bailey, Parker and > Bennink, well, do whatever you have to do... Oh, absolutely. I finally got to hear this a month or so ago and was pretty amazed. I'll happily second 'Dart Drug' and the two recent Bennink duos (I wasn't crazy about 'Han' or the one on Organ of Corti). Something I forgot about... The two 'Quintessence' discs by the Spontaneous Music Ensemble are pretty key, I think. The first in particular is one of my favorite improv CDs of all time. -Tom Pratt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #823 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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