From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #867 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, February 29 2000 Volume 02 : Number 867 In this issue: - RE: Haino Keiji RE: Haino Keiji Re: How did it happen? Re: Re: How did it happen? Re: zappa Re: How did it happen? frisell / white CD trade (no zorn content) Re: Re: How did it happen? more'n this Re: How did it happen? Re: How did it happen... in ex-USSR? (long, for truely dedicated :-) Fwd: March in Atlanta ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:02:44 -0300 From: Linares Hugo Subject: RE: Haino Keiji Regarding Keiji Haino: What title do you recommend to begin with? All information provided will be welcome. Thanks in advance, Hugo Linares > Hi, zornies. I was taking a look in Downtown Gallery and found a = Haino=B4s > cd called "More than This", label:Avant 074, where he plays music of = the > argentinian composer/guitarrist Oscar Alem=E1n. Does anybody knows = this > cd?... comments?=20 >=20 > Thanks in advance=20 >=20 > Gustavo=20 >=20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:41:18 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: RE: Haino Keiji At 09:02 AM 2/29/00 -0300, Linares Hugo wrote: >Regarding Keiji Haino: > >What title do you recommend to begin with? >All information provided will be welcome. I just picked up the new 2cd Fushitsusha on Paratactile, I Saw It.... My previous exposure was one of the live 2cd sets on PSF (15/16), and the studio Allegorical Misunderstanding on Avant. The new one is great, excellent recording, very intense, not a whole lot of vocals. I would not recommend the Avant release as a starting point. The two live ones on PSF are also typical starting point recommendations, but the sound on the new one is better, IMO. You may also wish to check out the unofficial Haino home page at http://www.planetc.com/users/keffer/haino/index.html, which has reviews of a number of Haino albums of all varieties (solo, studio, live, etc.). - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com It is pretty obvious that the debasement of the human mind caused by a constant flow of fraudulent advertising is no trivial thing. There is more than one way to conquer a country. - -- Raymond Chandler - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:53:53 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: How did it happen? "Sink The Bismark" was a hit track by Johnny Horton. Perhaps it could be included (along with tunes by Merle Haggard, Lefty Frizell, Ernest Tubb, Hank Snow etc.) in afuture Tzadik series release of Great Honky Music. Eugene Chadborne would be the most logical first artist for this anthology, maybe a suggestion of Tim Berne for "Okie From Muskagoee" and Billy Bang doing "I'm Movin' On" may work. The most appropriate people for "Sink The Bismark," of course would be Peter Brotzmann and Peter Kowald. Ken Waxman - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:55:23 -0500 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: How did it happen? >plus, the Christgau '70s record guide turned me onto some great stuff >(Big Star, Modern Lovers, New York Dolls come to Am I the only person to have my fwagile widdle mind warped by this? When I was first getting hooked on music I'd tried using the Rolling Stone Record Guide and had avoided things like Pere Ubu because David Marsh's review read (in its entirity unless my memory is slipping): "Anti-rock for anti-rockers. Boo." But my first accidental hearing of Pere Ubu in a record store left me stunned and shaking and forevermore dubious of Mr. Marsh. Of course having a record store that would play Pere Ubu may have been as big a bonus (the owner also turned me on to the Velvet Underground when you still had to buy British imports not to mention Richard Hell and the Nuggets comp which were cut-outs and.....). LT - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:08:16 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: zappa Since I'm a bit older than some of you. I was attracted the The Mothers because I was coming from a free jazz/blues rock background. After getting Freak Out, I saw The MOI in a small Montreal club in 1967 and was impressed. (Also heard Zappa say "this is he smallest stage we've played on since The Cafe A Go Go"). Later saw them and was impressed at a Man And His World Show, where my interview with Zappa was an exercise in hostile surrealism. Along the way I bought Absolutely Free and We're Only In It For The Money. Disillusionment set in with Benny & The Jets (no that's not it, that was the Elton John song --same difference) and Wesels Ripped My Flesh. Finally I went along to Maple Leaf Gardens in the mid 1970s to see Zappa & Co. with (could it have been) Bad Company (!?!) opening? Zappa seemed to have turned into the gross-out frat boy he made fun of in earlier years. Spent most of the concert talking to a rock crit who later wrote about Jazz for a national magazine with no knowledge of the subject. I still own Freak Out, Absolutely Free, We're Only... and Hot Rats. Zappa was revolutionary for his time when it really did seem that music was flowing together and the "labels were coming off of the bottles" -- little did we know how quickly they woulld be replaced with higher-priced spreads. Zappa had the guts to come out for the artist in an time of "anything goes" ethic and (in Life magazine) made fun of hippies just as that movement was finding its greatest popularity. But once he opted for the easy root of lazy music and public approval, he proved he was very much of his time. Ken Waxman - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:19:23 -0600 From: "Robert A. Pleshar" Subject: Re: How did it happen? At 09:21 PM 2/28/00 -0500, Brian Olewnick wrote: >...."The Sinking of the Bismark". >While the former is fairly well known, the latter has mysteriously >escaped revival and is representative of an odd sub-genre of >militaristic pop which reached apotheosis, I suppose, with "The Ballad >of the Green Berets". Scary to think how those two pieces may have laid >the groundwork for future listening! "Sink the Bismarck was the battle cry that shook the seven seas!" I too must confess an early love of Johnny Horton (I think), that song along with "The Battle of 1812" and "North to Alaska" received heavy play on the turntable of my youth. I think Johnny Horton may be the most influential, if not the creator, of the militaristic pop sub-genre. Oh well,as long as I'm here I might as well toss in a story. As a young lad, listened to my dad's records - Wes Montgomery, Phil Ochs, Hendrix, Cream, Beach Boys(still one of my favorite bands after all these years), Muddy Waters, etc. and my mom's records - the above mentioned Mr. Horton, Elvis, Marty Robbins "El Paso", Johnny Cash, etc. Also, much C&W on WMAQ after White Sox games ended. In 2nd or 3rd grade I got a biography of Louis Armstrong which I loved and asked my dad to get me some of his records which he did and the book and his playing made me want to play trumpet. In 5th grade when the school band was being assembled, all of the trumpet chairs were already assigned, so I got the tuba and have been playing it off and on since. (currently on) Bought records often from the cutout bin at the grocery store across the street, some good most terrible. Jr. High - much radio flipping, into fusion "My goals beyond" was cool, Chicago and other horny rock-pop, Kiss. High school - new wave & punk starting. College - everything I could lay my ears on at the wonderful staton WRCT in Pittsburgh. That experience allowed me to hear tons of things I never would have had the opportunity to hear otherwise. Ralph Robert Pleshar Head, Serial Orders University of Chicago Library 1100 E. 57th Street Chicago, IL 60637 - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:56:53 +0100 From: "john rust" Subject: frisell / white CD trade (no zorn content) Is there anyone willing to trade for Michael White/Bill Frisell "Motion Pictures" CD (1997, Intuition)?.. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:15:31 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Re: How did it happen? On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 09:55:23AM -0500, wlt4@mindspring.com wrote: > >plus, the Christgau '70s record guide turned me onto some great stuff >(Big Star, Modern Lovers, New York Dolls come to > > > Am I the only person to have my fwagile widdle mind warped by this? When I was first getting hooked on music I'd tried using the Rolling Stone Record Guide and had avoided things like Pere Ubu because David Marsh's review read (in its entirity unless my memory is slipping): "Anti-rock for anti-rockers. Boo." But my first accidental hearing of Pere Ubu in a record store left me stunned and shaking and forevermore dubious of Mr. Marsh. Of course having a record store that would play Pere Ubu may have been as big a bonus (the owner also turned me on to the Velvet Underground when you still had to buy British imports not to mention Richard Hell and the Nuggets comp which were cut-outs and.....). Both books were essential to my late-in-the-game discovery of rock. With each, I found that stuff that they liked was usually worth seeking out -- as was stuff that they really hated. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:59:25 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: more'n this Gustavo'd like to know about: Haino=B4s cd called "More than This", label:Avant 074, where he plays music of the argentinian composer/guitarrist Oscar Alem=E1n. Does anybody knows = this cd?... comments?=20 hmmm...i'm usually a pretty thorough reader of notes, so i'm surprised if i missd that this is not a recording of original compositions. i'll go back and look at it again. might make a little more sense to me in that light. but either way, it is easily the worst haino record i've heard. he cannot hold his own in this (accoustic, jazzy) setting, and while i suppose its pleasant enough, it's pretty uninspired. and is 'pleasant enough' what we want from haino anyways? has anyone heard any details of haino's detention at the l.a. airport? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:18:54 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: How did it happen? On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 09:19:23AM -0600, Robert A. Pleshar wrote: > Bought records often from the cutout bin at the grocery store across the > street, some good most terrible. Those cutout bins often contain odd treasures -- my ears were turned inside out when I snarfed Ornette's "Skies of America" at the Toms River, NJ, K-Mart for a quarter. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:53:00 +0100 From: "john rust" Subject: Re: How did it happen... in ex-USSR? (long, for truely dedicated :-) After attentively following the thread, touched by some messages, I finally decided to add my two cents... My story is pretty long and strange - growing up in Ukraine, on the other side of the Iron weil which was slowly vanishing then, my abilities were rather limited. First records were those two by the early Beatles released at the only legal record label of USSR - Firma Melodiya... Hard Day's Night and Taste Of Honey - back in 1988.The perestroyka was coming and sonn there appeared this great "Archive Of Popular Music" LPs - the first one was a bad compilation of the Doors... 2nd - early Stevie Wonder stuff, 3rd - Creadence Clearwater Revival, 4th and 5th - The Rolling Stones 1964-65... all of them influenced me a lot. Some strange tapes came - and some music-articles started to appear in the local press. Me and my friends discovered mysterious PUNK-movement... there were weird pics of hardcore punks with incredible haircuts and No Future-slogans.... enough to impress us all heavily. I formed a band with my school-mates willing to play punk-rock (the journalists used to emphasise the fact that all the punk bands were amateurs which suited us perfectly...) But there was no punk records around - Melodiya wasn't publishing neither Pistols nor Clash... I remember the excitement of the first listening to Closer by Joy Division - the guy who gavethe tape to me said it was punk...) We learned this lesson and started playing, using three acoustic guitars and home-made drums and recorded a couple of terrible albums inspired mostly by Joy Division and the awful tape of Never Mind The Bollocks.... which was soon found in Moscow. Then I took part in Students' exchange programm (1990) and lived two weeks with an Italian family in Bologna meeting some wonderful people - one of them, the English teacher Vincenzo took me to his apartment once and gave me 5 cassetes which I was to fill using his unbelievable collection... I came back to Ukraine with some fantastic tapes - Velvet Underground & Nico, Dead Kennedys, Substance by Joy Division and some angry punk stuff like Mentors and Crucifix... Velvet Underground became my absolute favorites. formed another band, playing different music... the whole local scene - meaning all the non-commercial bands were under heavy influence of Sergey Myasoeov. The guy owned all the right music of the time and was an expert- you could find the most obscure things at his place - all the 4AD bands of the time, Nick Cave, Neubauten, Throbbing Gristle, Psychic TV, Coil, Swans etc... He shared his addiction to the indie-scene and gave the inspiration to some very spectacular acts which disbanded in some years being extremely underrated today... Those include Kazma Kazma which played the modern guide to medieval music, ELZA (ukrainian Talking Heads/Velvet Underground thing... they were the first local band that toured abroad - with an american duo Sabot that based in Chechoslovakia then), Foa-Hoka (very dark... first experiments with electronics in the industrial direction... they published an album in Poland) and some others. They all formed Novaya Scena-union and Sergey became the Maclaren of it (the whole scene was documented by the CD "Underground in Ukraine" on What's So Funny About?.. that introduced europeans to the scene...) the first independent radio appeared around 1992, playing mostly indie-music and classic rock - the DJs were mostly the musicians... I took an active part in organising the third FM-station in my city becoming one of the first DJ's there. X-Radio was the weirdest radio in the area, playing the wide range from ABBA and Queen to Sex Pistols, Pixies and Nirvana.... Grunge was "in" then, being treated as a kind of our revenge to punk. More amazing discoveries of the time in no particular order - Smiths, early Cure, Crime And The City Solution, reggae, David Byrne's Rei Momo (one of the fave. records still), Sonic Youth, Faith No More, Iggy Pop (Stooges), Birthday Party, Zappa (Joe's Garage), Can ... The small remains/survivors of Novaya Scena were very disappointed and fed up with everything conneceted to rock'n'roll and were searching for a new alternative... I was close to some of them and also got into Satie, Philip Glass, Michael Nyman etc... Someone brought a tape of the first Mr. Bungle album which was a very important experience... soon some late Naked City appeared - I guess it was Grand Guignol. It was unbelievable - completely different from all the stuff we've been listening to... The information that the main guy of the NC produced the Bungle record was a great news... smth by Ribot and Frith appeared at the same time and was deeply apreciated. I left Ukraine 4 years ago and live in Germany now. The commercial aspect of the modern music brought some big disappointments about the ways of the show-business... Zorn and the related artists became very important to me - as much as the way of solving the problem and reaching the audiences without selling out. After two years I joined the band Unterwasser, formed by the guy who was in the Moscow band Srednerusskaya Vozvishennost', which I used to listen to when I was 15-16... released a CD with them and recorded a new one some months ago. (www.freespeech.org/unterwasser) Recently have been listening to - Boredoms - Wow 2, Ruins - Burning Stone, Mingus - Reincarnation of a Love Bird, Kletka Red - Hybrid, Tortoise - TNT, Bar Kokhba, first Massacre, Laswell's Charged live boot, Bungle - California, The Angels Of Light - New Mother, La Monte Young, Martin Denny, Moondog - Sax Pax for a Sax. .... well, that's the story so far. thanks for reading this - I had to share it with somebody. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:50:37 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Fwd: March in Atlanta - --part1_ba.232f117.25ed60ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine sends this monthly email out to promote "other music" in Atlanta. If there's no objection, i'll post it here too, for those who may be interested... << UPCOMING EVENTS for MARCH 2000 DIRTY DOZEN BRASS BAND 9pm, Thursday, March 2nd and Friday, March 3rd Smith's Olde Bar, 1578 Piedmont Road $10. advance 404-875-1522 TOM & GERRY Gerry Hemingway (percussion)/Thomas Lehn (analogue synthesizer) 9pm, Sunday, March 5th Eyedrum, 253 Trinity Ave, NW $10. at the door 404-622-3355 or euprod@aol.com SAN AGUSTIN featuring David Daniell & Andrew Burnes-guitars, Bryan Fielden-drums plus NEEL MURGAI (solo) 9pm, Friday, March 10th Eyedrum, 253 Trinity Ave., NW 404-522-0655 or eyedrum@hotmail.com The Hindu Temple of Atlanta and The Carnatic Music Association of Georgia (CAMAGA) presents SRI G.J.R. KRISHNAN-violin SRI KAMALAKAR RAO-mirudangam 4pm, Saturday, March 11th Hindu Temple of Atlanta Auditorium 5851 Highway 85, Riverdale 770-907-7102 BULGARI (Bulgarian traditional folk ensemble) 8:30pm, Sunday, March 12th First Existentialist Congregation, 470 Candler Park Dr, NE $15. at the door 404-622-3355 or euprod@aol.com "ANTIGONE'S DREAM" choreography by Paula Josa Jones, music by Pauline Oliveros 8pm, April 12th-15th Agnes Scott College, 141 E. College Avenue 404-471-6285/(800) 868-8602 or info@AgneScott.edu STEVE LACY/ROSWELL RUDD QUARTET 8pm, Wednesday, March 15th Variety Playhouse, 1099 Euclid Avenue $17.50 advance 404-521-1786 DRUM DIALOGUE 4 featuring Woody Williams & Andrew Barker 9pm, Thursday, March 16th Earthshaking Music, 543 Stokeswood Ave., SE 404-622-3355 or euprod@aol.com REBIRTH BRASS BAND 9pm, Friday, March 17th Smith's Olde Bar, 1578 Piedmont Road $8. advance 404-875-1522 3d5sp/STIMULATOR 9pm, Friday, March 24th Eyedrum, 253 Trinity Ave., NW 404-522-0655 or eyedrum@hotmail.com PONCHO SANCHEZ 9pm, Friday, March 24th Tabernacle, 152 Luckie Street 404-659-9022 VATTEL CHERRY (contrabass) solo 9pm, Saturday, March 25th Eyedrum, 253 Trinity Ave., NW 404-522-0655 or eyedrum@hotmail.com YO LA TENGO plus HAPPY FLOWERS reunion! 10pm, Saturday, March 25th Cotton Club, 152 Luckie Street 404-874-1993 The Hindu Temple of Atlanta and The Carnatic Music Association of Georgia (CAMAGA) presents SRI SANJAY SUBRAMANYAM-vocal SRI S. VARADARAJAN-violin SRI SRIMUSHNAM RAJA RAO-mirudangam 4pm, Sunday, March 26th Hindu Temple of Atlanta Auditorium. 5851 Highway 85, Riverdale 770-907-7102 PAULINE OLIVEROS (accordion) solo benefit concert 5pm, Sunday, March 26th First Existentialist Congregation, 430 Candler Park Dr., NE 404-378-5570 CHUCHO VALDES (piano) 8:15pm, Friday, March 31st Spivey Hall at Clayton College & State University, 5900 N. Lee St., Morrow. 770-961-3683 PETER KOWALD (contrabass) solo plus duo w/ DWIGHT ANDREWS (reeds) 9pm, Friday, March 31st Eyedrum, 253 Trinity Ave, NW $10. at the door 404-622-3355 or euprod@aol.com TMJ/EP >> - -- =dg= - --part1_ba.232f117.25ed60ed_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.101]) by air-za01.mail.aol.com (v69.17) with ESMTP; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:00:30 -0500 Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by rly-za05.mx.aol.com (v69.17) with ESMTP; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:00:13 -0500 Received: from [38.10.107.108] (ip108.atlanta.ga.pub-ip.psi.net [38.10.107.108]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA12365; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:59:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200002291459.GAA12365@scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: March in Atlanta Date: Tue, 29 Feb 00 10:01:10 -0400 x-sender: murphyjones@mail.earthlink.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Karen Murphy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" To: undisclosed-recipients:; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UPCOMING EVENTS for MARCH 2000 DIRTY DOZEN BRASS BAND 9pm, Thursday, March 2nd and Friday, March 3rd Smith's Olde Bar, 1578 Piedmont Road $10. advance 404-875-1522 TOM & GERRY Gerry Hemingway (percussion)/Thomas Lehn (analogue synthesizer) 9pm, Sunday, March 5th Eyedrum, 253 Trinity Ave, NW $10. at the door 404-622-3355 or euprod@aol.com SAN AGUSTIN featuring David Daniell & Andrew Burnes-guitars, Bryan Fielden-drums plus NEEL MURGAI (solo) 9pm, Friday, March 10th Eyedrum, 253 Trinity Ave., NW 404-522-0655 or eyedrum@hotmail.com The Hindu Temple of Atlanta and The Carnatic Music Association of Georgia (CAMAGA) presents SRI G.J.R. KRISHNAN-violin SRI KAMALAKAR RAO-mirudangam 4pm, Saturday, March 11th Hindu Temple of Atlanta Auditorium 5851 Highway 85, Riverdale 770-907-7102 BULGARI (Bulgarian traditional folk ensemble) 8:30pm, Sunday, March 12th First Existentialist Congregation, 470 Candler Park Dr, NE $15. at the door 404-622-3355 or euprod@aol.com "ANTIGONE'S DREAM" choreography by Paula Josa Jones, music by Pauline Oliveros 8pm, April 12th-15th Agnes Scott College, 141 E. College Avenue 404-471-6285/(800) 868-8602 or info@AgneScott.edu STEVE LACY/ROSWELL RUDD QUARTET 8pm, Wednesday, March 15th Variety Playhouse, 1099 Euclid Avenue $17.50 advance 404-521-1786 DRUM DIALOGUE 4 featuring Woody Williams & Andrew Barker 9pm, Thursday, March 16th Earthshaking Music, 543 Stokeswood Ave., SE 404-622-3355 or euprod@aol.com REBIRTH BRASS BAND 9pm, Friday, March 17th Smith's Olde Bar, 1578 Piedmont Road $8. advance 404-875-1522 3d5sp/STIMULATOR 9pm, Friday, March 24th Eyedrum, 253 Trinity Ave., NW 404-522-0655 or eyedrum@hotmail.com PONCHO SANCHEZ 9pm, Friday, March 24th Tabernacle, 152 Luckie Street 404-659-9022 VATTEL CHERRY (contrabass) solo 9pm, Saturday, March 25th Eyedrum, 253 Trinity Ave., NW 404-522-0655 or eyedrum@hotmail.com YO LA TENGO plus HAPPY FLOWERS reunion! 10pm, Saturday, March 25th Cotton Club, 152 Luckie Street 404-874-1993 The Hindu Temple of Atlanta and The Carnatic Music Association of Georgia (CAMAGA) presents SRI SANJAY SUBRAMANYAM-vocal SRI S. VARADARAJAN-violin SRI SRIMUSHNAM RAJA RAO-mirudangam 4pm, Sunday, March 26th Hindu Temple of Atlanta Auditorium. 5851 Highway 85, Riverdale 770-907-7102 PAULINE OLIVEROS (accordion) solo benefit concert 5pm, Sunday, March 26th First Existentialist Congregation, 430 Candler Park Dr., NE 404-378-5570 CHUCHO VALDES (piano) 8:15pm, Friday, March 31st Spivey Hall at Clayton College & State University, 5900 N. Lee St., Morrow. 770-961-3683 PETER KOWALD (contrabass) solo plus duo w/ DWIGHT ANDREWS (reeds) 9pm, Friday, March 31st Eyedrum, 253 Trinity Ave, NW $10. at the door 404-622-3355 or euprod@aol.com TMJ/EP - --part1_ba.232f117.25ed60ed_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #867 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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