From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #997 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, July 12 2000 Volume 02 : Number 997 In this issue: - Re: Art Ensemble-Les Stances a Sophie Estradasphere new dream syndicate cd Re: Meira Asher (no JZ content, but Kristallnacht-related) Re: Caine's 'Classical'projects (was RE: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Caine=B4s?= Goldberg Variations) Re: jack smith. Re: Re: jack smith & fluxus Table of the Elements on new Dream Syndicate CD Re: new dream syndicate cd Re: Art Ensemble-Les Stances a Sophie Re: new dream syndicate cd Re: Art Ensemble-Les Stances a Sophie game pieces Eugene Chadbourne 7/11 @DMG re:haden's montreal tapes re:haden's montreal tapes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:48:42 CEST From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: Art Ensemble-Les Stances a Sophie >From: JonAbbey2@aol.com > >according to their ad in the current Wire, Soul Jazz, an English label, is >reissuing this on LP and CD soon. > >I'm excited; I've never heard it before, except for the superb Theme De >Yo-Yo, the best thing I've ever heard by the AEC. seconded! great dance music! Fontella at her best! >now someone needs to >rerelease People In Sorrow, and I'll be a happy guy. both LPs are reissued on one CD: EMI/Jazztime 252713-2 but I donīt know if itīs still in print. A discography is online at www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/8835/art.html Does anyone have any comments on Chi-Congo? Andreas ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:16:47 +0930 From: "sinkas" Subject: Estradasphere Hiall, I just thought I would mention how much I like the recent release on the new Web of Mimicry Label, by the Santa Cruz group "Estradasphere" I was just wondering if anyone out there had any comments to make on the album, Case - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:53:49 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: new dream syndicate cd A couple of months ago the Wire raved about a new Table of Elements release, Inside the Dream Syndicate Volume 1, with Cale, Conrad, MacLise, Young and Zazeela. After a delay it's finally starting to show up in stores, but the Anomalous Records web site is quite disparaging of the release, saying that it appears to be Conrad's view of the Dream Syndicate, that MacLise is inaudible, that it's only 31 minutes long and 'not representative of the period whatsoever'. Anyone else heard this and care to register an opinion? - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:22:44 +0100 (WET DST) From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Re: Meira Asher (no JZ content, but Kristallnacht-related) > any opinions and/or infos about Meira Asher's highly recommendable = > "spears into hooks"? it's funny because i was just reading myself to post something on it, relating to Kristallnacht. besides the obvious political statements in the record that go far beyhond the Holocoust and the actual palestinian problem in Israel. connections to Zorn are the "Juden" factor, experimental sound and political statement. the record cross several kinds of music, from industrial samples to more tradictional music (theres a sequence where she sings about the "vacacion camp" of Birkanau where you can listen a sample of Marlene Dietrich singing). the songs that go on the record were also recorded in several languages mixing from english, hebrew, ydish, arabe, italian, german... i do recomend it. Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:09:48 +0200 From: Stephen Fruitman Subject: Re: Caine's 'Classical'projects (was RE: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Caine=B4s?= Goldberg Variations) Marcin remarked that >Stephen Fruitman gave us a very positive review of Caine's Bach project. And it gets better with each play! Then he wondered >what wre the other Caine's classical projects like? Whereupon Matthew submitted >The Wagner project is straightforward compared to Mahler - it's an >ensemble playing the ink, so to speak. The wonderful and magical thing >about the performance, IMO, is 1) the beauty in which the group expresses >the music, and 2) the amazing transformation of music written for >enormous forces into music for a chamber ensemble. And I must add that >the texture of the accordion to Wagner's music is really refreshing and >unique - it really makes you listen to the stuff in a different way. Which I heartily agree with. Caine has relieved the music of its bombast (and the unpleasant associations that Wagner=B4s music can have for many) an= d brought forth the exquisite music at the core - it=B4s like sitting in a well-appointed, fin-de-si=E8cle watering hole and being entertained by the world=B4s best cafe orchestra. As far as Mahler goes, there has probably been enough said: A brilliant studio achievement, an interesting investigation of Mahler=B4s stylistic mongrelism as well as his "submerged" Jewish roots (brilliant use of the cantor Aaron Bensoussan, who also does yeoman work on the Caine project Zohar); and then a double live CD set of a selection of the arrangements which may even by superior to the studio recording. The Schumann project, however, left me cold. It hops back and forth between Caine=B4s arrangements (often featuring poets) and those of a well-known chamber ensemble. No real integration. Perhaps not the same sort of challenge posed by Schumann that the _Goldberg Variations_ (especially in their Glenn Gould rendition) seems to have roused in Caine. All the best, Stephen - ----------------- Bj=F6rn Olsson, Inst. f=F6r id=E9historia, Ume=E5 universitet 901 87 Ume=E5 tel. 090-7867982 fax 143374 e-post: bjorn.olsson@idehist.umu.se - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:36:10 PDT From: "M. pathos" Subject: Re: jack smith. On the basis of the two ToEs released, it's hard to sense the scope of Smith's work. As a Fluxus-flecked multimedia artist, his work doubtless was best experienced firsthand, but failing that the Zorn show should surely be the Tonic for Montez-minimizers. Though Zorn does something different from Smith's precedents, the two are definitely linked through their humour, their playful exhumation of contemporary cultural trash, and their intermittent ability to translate the latter into something sublime (among other qualities). There will never be another Jack Smith, but I can't think of a better curator for his legacy than John Zorn. Like so many other Downtown events, I wish I could attend. This stuff (Zorn and Smith's) is so contemporary, it could surely have resonance beyond the few few culture moles stuck deep in their boroughs who know about it. But, of course, the mass taste-manipulators could never risk the widespread dissemination of such pure information, such dangerously uncooptable thought. >> has anyone heard any of the jack smith recordings on Table of >> The Elements and care to give a review? >> > It is one of the most annoying records in my complete collection... > > I know that Jack Smith is a mythic figure of the NY art scene and > that he is a god for Zorn, but based on (at least) the records under > his name, it is hard for me to understand why. The first record is > amateurish to the point of being insulting to amateurs, and I can't > stand Jack Smith's delivery (that I find fatuous and self-indulgent). ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:05:58 -0400 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: jack smith & fluxus >As a Fluxus-flecked multimedia artist, his work doubtless was Did Smith have any connections to Fluxus other than possible friendships with some Flux-ers? I would have thought his aesthetics vastly different from Fluxus but then I also have only seen some films and read one or two of his writings. Lang - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:58:52 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Table of the Elements on new Dream Syndicate CD - ----- Forwarded message from webstar ----- X-eGroups-Return: sentto-1324355-80-963391747-jzitt=silence.metatronpress.com@returns.onelist.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) To: MelaList X-Priority: 1 From: "webstar" Mailing-List: list melafoundation@egroups.com; contact melafoundation-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list melafoundation@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:49:37 +0100 Reply-To: melafoundation@egroups.com Subject: [melafoundation] FW: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FROM TABLE OF THE ELEMENTS From: "Publicity at Table of the Elements" To: Subject: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FROM TABLE OF THE ELEMENTS Date: Wed, Jul 12, 2000, 12:51 am FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 11, 2000 from: Table of the Elements subject: John Cale / Tony Conrad / Angus MacLise / La Monte Young / Marian Zazeela "Inside the Dream Syndicate Volume I: Day of Niagara (1965)" CD Table of the Elements would be happy to work with La Monte Young and Marian Zazeela in realizing pending Dream Music recordings but for the inescapable fact that Mr. Young now demands that he be accorded sole composer status in the recordings. Since this demand is completely at odds with the facts---that these recordings were the product of pure collaboration, were intended as such by all involved at the time of creation and, in fact, are a joint work as cognizable under copyright law---and since meeting such a demand could act to waive certain legal rights which are rightfully those of each co-author in the joint work, John Cale and Tony Conrad (the only other surviving members of the Dream Music collective) have never acceded and will not now accede to such a demand. In the event that Mr. Young ceases such demands and embraces the plain reality of co-authorship, TOTE, Mr. Cale and Mr. Conrad will be more than happy to include Mr. Young and Ms. Zazeela in the process of realizing these important recordings. Until such time, Mr. Cale and Mr. Conrad are well within their legal rights as co-authors of a joint work to authorize TOTE to release these recordings without Mr. Young's stamp of approval, so long as Mr. Young (and Ms. Zazeela) is (are) paid a pro-rata share of the profits derived from such release. Table of the Elements P. O. Box 5524 Atlanta, Georgia 31107 USA info@tableoftheelements.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BTW: Did you buy that new car yet? If not, check this site out. They're called CarsDirect.com and it's a pretty sweet way to buy a car. http://click.egroups.com/1/6847/7/_/50704/_/963391745/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.lamonteyoung.com MELA Foundation, 275 Church Street, New York, NY 10013, USA - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:11:57 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: new dream syndicate cd In a message dated 7/12/00 6:53:28 AM, cdeupree@erinet.com writes: << A couple of months ago the Wire raved about a new Table of Elements release, Inside the Dream Syndicate Volume 1, with Cale, Conrad, MacLise, Young and Zazeela. After a delay it's finally starting to show up in stores, but the Anomalous Records web site is quite disparaging of the release, saying that it appears to be Conrad's view of the Dream Syndicate, that MacLise is inaudible, that it's only 31 minutes long and 'not representative of the period whatsoever'. Anyone else heard this and care to register an opinion? >> yeah, I've only heard it once, but I'd say it's of historical interest only. the sound quality is very bad, and the music's not especially exciting. the previously unreleased Young piece on the recent Ohm box is much more interesting, I think (although I'm not especially a fan of the box in general.) Joe posted Table Of The Elements' response to Lamonte Young's PR regarding this CD, but if you didn't see LY's initial PR, it's at http://lamonteyoung.com/statemen.htm. I tried to post it here yesterday before I knew it was on the web, but I think it got swallowed into the too-long-post abyss. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:25:52 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Art Ensemble-Les Stances a Sophie In a message dated 7/12/00 4:50:38 AM, andreasdietz@hotmail.com writes: << both LPs are reissued on one CD: EMI/Jazztime 252713-2 but I don=B4t know= if=20 it=B4s still in print. A discography is online at=20 www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/8835/art.html >> this was rumored to be happening at one point, but I'm fairly sure it was=20 never actually released. did anyone ever see this CD? Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:35:04 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: new dream syndicate cd On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:11:57AM -0400, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > Joe posted Table Of The Elements' response to Lamonte Young's PR regarding > this CD, but if you didn't see LY's initial PR, it's at > http://lamonteyoung.com/statemen.htm. I tried to post it here yesterday > before I knew it was on the web, but I think it got swallowed into the > too-long-post abyss. Curiously, I posted it here at the same time as I posted the TOTE response, but only the TOTE post made it to the list. But now we have pointers to each. Even if the sound sucks, I'd be interested in hearing it. Unfortunately, with both sides sticking to their stories as to the composition/ improvisation of the pieces, it may take major diplomacy to get them to agree on anything. (Hey, maybe if Bill Clinton invites them to Camp David, then locks them in a room with him playing saxophone until they scream Uncle... :-]) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:40:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Steve Berman Subject: Re: Art Ensemble-Les Stances a Sophie >>>>> "JonAbbey2" == JonAbbey2 writes: JonAbbey2> In a message dated 7/12/00 4:50:38 AM, JonAbbey2> andreasdietz@hotmail.com writes: JonAbbey2> << both LPs are reissued on one CD: EMI/Jazztime JonAbbey2> 252713-2 but I donīt know if itīs still in print. A JonAbbey2> discography is online at JonAbbey2> www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/8835/art.html >> JonAbbey2> this was rumored to be happening at one point, but I'm JonAbbey2> fairly sure it was never actually released. did anyone JonAbbey2> ever see this CD? Don't know what the Zorn content is, but to respond: The EMI CD is French EMI and I believe was not available in the States. I got my copy in March 1994. Somewhat later it was rumored in rec.music.bluenote that the Bluenote label was planning to release both albums, but this fell through (Chuck Nessa, who released the albums on his label in the States, may have said something about it at the time, but I don't remember). - --Steve Berman - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:25:49 +0100 From: Dominic Lash Subject: game pieces Further to the discussion that has been occurring about Zorn's game pieces, I've been wondering if there is any way to 'get' the actual compositions themselves. I understand the concept, I think, but would greatly like to perform some of them for myself, but as a musician (among other things) living in England, my chances of actually participating in on directed by Zorn are slight. Reuben Radding mentioned performing in Cobras not directed by Zorn, so he obiviously lets some people in on the rules. Can Cobra (and or Lacrosse, Pool etc.) be bought the same way one would buy, say Bartok scores? Or does Zorn himself have to give you a copy? Thanks in advance for any help - I think, following his three recent performances in London, it would be great to somehow get Zorn's music more exposure on this side of the pond; maybe performing some game pieces would be a good way to do this! Cheers, Dom - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:30:49 EDT From: Drivymovie@aol.com Subject: Eugene Chadbourne 7/11 @DMG Hey did anyone catch this performance last night, who would care to comment. I'm not really familiar with Chadbourne's work. I've heard that he does some C&W stuff and has worked extensively with Zorn in the past. He's recorded so much, that I was wondering if there are any specific recordings that come highly recommended. Thanks. - -Evan - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:49:47 -0700 From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com Subject: re:haden's montreal tapes (samuel spoketh: i am considering the purchase of three cds: The Montreal Tapes. could someone describe what they're like and how they rate among Haden material?) i count four montreal tapes in my collection so far. i love the session with gonzalo rubalcaba, beautiful. paul motian on drums. lyrical, swinging and deep. my second favorite is the session with don cherry and ed blackwell. some of cherry's better playing in the later years. the orchestra is always good to here, but this session is not particularly new or revelatory. the geri allen session is good, but not as memorable as the rubalcaba and cherry session. what i really want to see released is the egberto gismonti session.... in terms of haden's recordings, i enjoy the rubalcaba and cherry sessions as much as anything he's done in recent years. outside of the orchestra recordings, my all-time favorite hadens are probably the two albums of duets with various others and the duet with Hampton Hawes.... martin - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:59:40 -0400 From: Maurice Rickard Subject: re:haden's montreal tapes At 10:49 AM -0700 7/12/00, Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com wrote: >outside of the orchestra >recordings, my all-time favorite hadens are probably the two albums of >duets with various others and the duet with Hampton Hawes.... Oh, man. _As Long as There's Music_ always lays me out flat. A while ago on the (band) Television list, we had a discussion of what music you'd listen to if you only had an hour left to live, and that was one of mine. "Hello Goodbye" is such a moving track, and wouldn't be such a bad one to go out on.... The one of the spirituals with Hank Jones is great, but the one with Hawes is something entirely else. So how fast should I run to pick up _The Golden Section_? - -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #997 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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