From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #999 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, July 13 2000 Volume 02 : Number 999 In this issue: - Paolo Conte Re: game pieces lester's african children Re: SY 20th Cent. & "OHM" Box set Re: lester's african children Re: game pieces RE: AEoC Re: SY 20th Cent. & "OHM" Box set Re: lester's african children Re: Paolo Conte Re: Paolo Conte Re: lester's african children Re: Eugene Chadbourne 7/11 @DMG Leandre/Saitoh Sonic Youth: NYC ghosts and flowers RE: Eugene Chadbourne 7/11 @DMG Re: aeco-->jz(content provided) RE: Brigitte Fontaine Re: jack smith & fluxus/Masada vs. chamber Re: lester's african children Re: aeco-->jz(content provided) Steve Reich Re: aeco-->jz(content provided) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:13:17 -0400 From: "Ljova" Subject: Paolo Conte Hi! Do any of you music-moguls have any ideas about how one should go with contacting the Italian musician Paolo Conte? Do any of his bandmates have email? The record company (Warner Music) hasn't been at all helpful. Thanks so much, Ljova - -------- Lev "Ljova" Zhurbin L@Ljova.com http://Ljova.com/ Listen to my music: http://mp3.com/Ljova/ (improvisations) http://mp3.com/LevZhurbin/ (compositions) http://mp3.com/FreeBach/ (Free Bach Project) "Do not fear mistakes - there are none." -Miles Davis - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:06:18 -0700 From: Reuben Radding Subject: Re: game pieces At 11:11 AM 7/12/00 -0700, William Crump wrote: >Is it just me, or is Cobra starting to sound a lot like Dungeons and Dragons? > >William Crump Touche. - -RR - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:21:11 -0700 From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com Subject: lester's african children kurt queried: "my eye prize is lester's 'african children.' does anyone know anything about getting a copy? has it ever been on cd?" i can't be of any help in getting a copy, but i love my 2lp set. these guys are having a good time (a. blythe, amina, malachi and phillip wilson), loose and funky, fun blowing, arthur romping through open pastures especially satisfying.... - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:31:31 -0400 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: SY 20th Cent. & "OHM" Box set Hi all, When I interviewed Steve Reich for OHM, he basically indicated that "Pendulum Music" was done as a performance piece years ago and not something released as a recording. All of a sudden, there's these two versions of the piece done recently (which amazed him). We originally considered including the version by Ensemble Avantgarde to include on OHM. At that time, we were in contact with Thurston and Lee from Sonic Youth to get some quotes for the liner notes. Lee mentioned that they themselves had done a version of the piece on "Goodbye 20th Century" and that we should consider using it. We liked the SY version better so we went with that one. Reich mentioned that he hadn't actually heard the SY version yet and it so happens that Lee lives in the same building as he does. Reich said "I should go to his place, bang on the door and ask for a copy!" As yet another side note to this, I mentioned to Lee that I had extra material from the OHM interview with Reich about the early tape pieces he did ("Come Out" and "It's Gonna Rain") that we weren't able to include in the liner notes. Lee said I should definitely transcribe that material and put it out. I contacted Reich again and got his approval to publish this material so it will be appearing in the next issue of Perfect Sound- I'll send a note to the list when this is ready. Best, Jason - -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:08:09 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: lester's african children Martin: What label this be on? Same band that did 'The Fifth Power,' I see? Kurt: If this thing never came out on CD, try calling the Jazz Record Center in Manhattan. They sometimes have the most staggeringly obscure things in stock on clean used vinyl at collectors' prices. Don't have the number handy but they're on W. 26th and they're listed. (Those not in NYC but looking for rare vinyl can also try them for mailorder.) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - the sound of waves of heat rising from the pavement... Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com wrote: > kurt queried: > "my eye prize is lester's 'african children.' does anyone know anything > about getting a copy? has it ever been on cd?" > > i can't be of any help in getting a copy, but i love my 2lp set. these > guys are having a good time (a. blythe, amina, malachi and phillip > wilson), loose and funky, fun blowing, arthur romping through open > pastures especially satisfying.... > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:13:46 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: game pieces William Crump wrote: > > Is it just me, or is Cobra starting to sound a lot like Dungeons and Dragons? If I'm not mistaken, Zorn actually did cite the game company Avalon Hill as an inspirational source. I don't remember if they were ever involved in D&D per se, but they were (pre-computer games) the leading creator of advanced wargaming board games. I, for one, don't have much trouble picturing the adolescent Zorn maneuvering game tiles around a hexagonal map of Dunkirk or some such! Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:22:49 -0500 From: "John Thomas" Subject: RE: AEoC > kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: > > that said, i have a aeco/fontella disc with no title, on a french label, > which > Speaking of AEoC discs has anyone heard the one with Brigitte Fontaine which I've seen around in the US as a very pricey import CD??? What's it like? Thanks John - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:21:26 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: SY 20th Cent. & "OHM" Box set Perfect Sound Forever wrote: > As yet another side note to this, I mentioned to Lee that I had extra material from the OHM interview with Reich about the early tape pieces he did ("Come Out" and "It's Gonna Rain") that we weren't able to include in the liner notes. Lee said I should definitely transcribe that material and put it out. I contacted Reich again and got his approval to publish this material so it will be appearing in the next issue of Perfect Sound- I'll send a note to the list > when this is ready. While everyone's waiting for that, head on over to http://www.newmusicbox.org and click on the column "In the Third Person" for a secret toy surprise... No, seriously, it's a bunch of little tiny interlinked articles by a couple of familiar Zornlisters (namely Jason and me) on the interstices between rock bands and new music composition. Sonic Youth is of course one of the bands examined. Since we're co-credited you might never know who wrote what, which is less than fair to Jason since I don't think this was any of my own best writing. But this is a site imminently worth visiting by anyone who's the least bit interested in modern American composed music. Great Gary Lucas interview by the editor as well. And in the photo, he's the "guitarist," I'm the "drummer." Gratuitously, Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - clickety-clack, clickety-clack go my little fingers on the keys - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:30:00 -0700 From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com Subject: Re: lester's african children >Martin: >What label this be on? Same band that did 'The Fifth Power,' I see? I believe Horo, an Italian label. Don't know much about the label -- it's the only thing I have from them. Found it at Tower records in the late '70s/ early '80s. Includes two sidelong cuts -- one Latin, one funk. ...plus four others spread across two sides. I prefer it to Fifth Power. Looser, more stretched out, funkier.... more open blowing.... Martin - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:59:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Paolo Conte If he's a jazz musician, look at IJM.com, the Italian Jazz Musicians page. Maybe he's there. (But if he records for Warners his chances of being jazz are slim). The page is an excellent resource for things relating to Italian jazz. Ken Waxman On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Ljova wrote: > Hi! > > Do any of you music-moguls have any ideas about how one should go with > contacting the Italian musician Paolo Conte? > > Do any of his bandmates have email? The record company (Warner Music) > hasn't been at all helpful. > Thanks so much, > > Ljova - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Paolo Conte Oops it should be: www.ijm.it Sorry Rick and L if I lead you astray. Ken On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Rick Lopez wrote: > on 7/12/00 5:59 PM, Ken Waxman at cj649@freenet.toronto.on.ca wrote: > > > IJM.com > - ---> Hey Ken-- > > Have an actual link for this? I tried that abbreviation in my browser but > get a FORBIDDEN message. > > Words on CTx10 when time permits. > > R > -- > Marilyn Crispell, Susie Ibarra, William Parker, Sam Rivers, Matthew Shipp, > David S. Ware, and Reggie Workman Discographies--Samuel Beckett > Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL--etc., > at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k > > UPDATE January 10, 2000: > vids, a few CDs, baseball books, a few Cadence back issues, a few more > CDs... > ***Very Various For Sale: > ***http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:16:10 +0800 From: numbats@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: lester's african children >kurt queried: >"my eye prize is lester's 'african children.' does anyone know anything >about getting a copy? Hi, Sorry to go commercial, but I have a copy for sale. Please contact me OFF list. Also, strangely enough, I just sold a copy of the AEOC "Sophie/People on ebay. Next time I will let the list know if I am selling interesting things. regards, Billy - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:13:17 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Eugene Chadbourne 7/11 @DMG >>>I'll have to be on the lookout for the Beefheart covers album.<<< It is a delight. STRINGS on Intakt is a must. All instrumental gorgeosity. >>>Chadbourne's recordings, for me at least, have definitely not lived up to the one time I saw him perform live, at the Young Avenue Deli in Memphis.<<< He has come to visit us here in Ventura repeatedly over the past couple of years. My two favorites are once sounding all new music classical with an octet playing INSECT AND WESTERN MUSIC in a local art gallery, and once at the Daily Grind Coffee Shop doing dueling kitchen utensils between his prepared toaster and a found industrial strength coffee maker. I leaned over to a patron next to me and said, "Watching Eugene right now reminds me of my days as an intern on the back wards of Camarillo State Hospital." The visuals coupled with that context resulted in us being thrown out for laughing disruptively during a quiet part. s~Z - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:46:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Oger Subject: Leandre/Saitoh >This is my first exposure to Tetsu Saitoh, who I like quite a bit. Can anyone >recommend anything else by him (preferably that isn't too hard to find)? I >know there is a duet with Joelle Leandre on Egg Farm, but I have no idea how I >could get a copy. > >Dan > Dan, There is a CD by Joelle Leandre and Tetsu Saitoh on label OMBA Records. Write to : Yoshiyuki Kitazato Omba Records 3-12-18 Kamata Ohta-ku Tokyo 144-0052 Japan Fax : 81 3 3731 8191 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:00:44 +0100 (WET DST) From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Sonic Youth: NYC ghosts and flowers hi! any of you listened to the last Sonic Youth cd, "NYC ghosts and flowers"? i being listening to it and the principal image that cames to mind is a description of a walk around NYC under the distante effect of marijuana... salut,! Ricardo Reis "NON SERVIAM" - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:00:55 CEST From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: RE: Eugene Chadbourne 7/11 @DMG > > > I was wondering if there are any specific recordings that come > > highly recommended. Thanks. > I have to add a CD recorded 1997: The Hellingtunes (Intakt) A sextet including Pat Thomas and Paul Lovens doing something like Country and Western Chamber Music. Not as wild as some other EC stuff but worth checking out. Andreas ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:09:30 CEST From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: aeco-->jz(content provided) >From: Steve Smith > >On the other hand, there actually IS a pirate CD available of an incredibly >rare >Art Ensemble album recorded around the same time for a label called >Galloway. It, >too, features a guest spot by Fontella Bass. The pirate CD doesn't even >identify a >label name, just a catalog number: 2005006-X2. Clearly a vinyl dub. Weird >record, >with the AECO augmented with extra brass and string ensemble on some parts. > Dates >from March 1970. I purchased this strange one a few months ago entitled 'Go Home'. Does anybody have the line up (itīs only partly indicated on the cover). Is there really nobody out there who can give a few lines on 'Chi Congo'? Andreas ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:17:42 CEST From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: RE: Brigitte Fontaine >From: "John Thomas" > >Speaking of AEoC discs has anyone heard the one with Brigitte Fontaine >which I've seen around in the US as a very pricey import CD??? What's it >like? > Fortunately Iīve gotten this CD as a christmas gift from my record dealer some years ago! Itīs not an AEC disc but a BF record accompanied by the AEC. She is singing french (as I remember - havenīt heard it so much), nothing terrific but it has itīs moments. Andreas ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:19:23 PDT From: "M. pathos" Subject: Re: jack smith & fluxus/Masada vs. chamber >Did Smith have any connections to Fluxus other than possible friendships >with some Flux-ers? I would have thought his aesthetics vastly different >from Fluxus but then I also have only seen some films >and read one or two >of his writings. >Lang My experience with Mr. Smith is about as extensive as yours. Therefore I have no idea how close he was, in reality, to the NYC Fluxus circle, although they were contemporaries. However, to quote "The Fluxus Movement" by Peter Frank, "The Fluxus movement [which] emerged in New York around 1960, . . . presumes that all media and all artistic disciplines are fair game for combination and fusion. . . . Fluxus objects and performances are characterized by minimalist but often expansive gestures based in scientific, philosophical, sociological, or other extra-artistic ideas and leavened with burlesque." That sounds like a pretty close definition of Jack Smith's art to me. (Also, keep in mind I said he was "Fluxus-flecked", not that he was a fully-fledged Fluxer.) On a more ZornList-like "note", I'm curious to hear how people think Zorn's classical pieces (the string quartets, for example) stack up compared to his Masada work. I've heard plenty of (and about) the latter, but comparatively little about the former. Mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:27:08 CEST From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: lester's african children >From: Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com > > >Martin: > > >What label this be on? Same band that did 'The Fifth Power,' I see? > >I believe Horo, an Italian label. Don't know much about the label -- >it's the only thing I have from them. Found it at Tower records in the >late '70s/ early '80s. Includes two sidelong cuts -- one Latin, one >funk. ...plus four others spread across two sides. I prefer it to Fifth >Power. Looser, more stretched out, funkier.... more open blowing.... > Yes itīs Horo. This label went out of business nearly 20 years ago. AFAIK the label owner in Italy still has some copies in stock and is willing to purchase - but with horrible costs (around $100 a piece as I remember). A list of the issues is online as part of the Sun Ra website (due to the three Ra records): www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry/discog/horo.htm Andreas ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:50:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Steve Berman Subject: Re: aeco-->jz(content provided) >>>>> "kurt" == kurt gottschalk writes: kurt> steve berman wondered what about relevance of discussing the kurt> art ensemble. i can do it in four degrees: kurt> roscoe mitchell-->george lewis(note factory)-->jz(yankees) Ok! That's a nice way to demonstrate list relevance. Here's another one, should be easy (at least one answer, maybe there's more): Mitchell's RecordingA --> Musician <-- Zorn's RecordingB Supply suitable values for RecordingA, Musician, and RecordingB. Condition: Musician didn't play on either recording nor has ever recorded with Mitchell or Zorn (AFAIK). - --Steve Berman - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:17:46 -0400 (EDT) From: James Graves Subject: Steve Reich The recent thread on Reich has piqued my curiosityin him. My experiences with his music has been sporadic, all I'm familiar with is the Different Trains recording on Nonesuch, the All Night Flight Recording from 1969, and Pendulum Music on SYR 4. I've seriously enjoyed everything I've heard, so where should I go from here? On another note, I saw that electronic musicians Pita and Fennesz will be performing in nearby Cleveland in a few weeks. I have one of Pita's CD's, but has anyone seen them live? Thanks, Jamie - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:15:57 EDT From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: aeco-->jz(content provided) In a message dated 7/13/00 8:52:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@IMS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE writes: << kurt> steve berman wondered what about relevance of discussing the kurt> art ensemble. i can do it in four degrees: >> How about: Zorn was a Roscoe freak. Check liner notes to Parachute Years for the quote. BTW, his classical pieces are far superior to his Masada pieces, which I feel are a dime a dozen. - -matt mitchell - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V2 #999 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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