From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #18 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, August 23 2000 Volume 03 : Number 018 In this issue: - [off topic] Sound cards for notebooks RE: [off topic] Sound cards for notebooks [off-topic] Useful contacts for an european band RE: [off-topic] Useful contacts for an european band Sponsoring problems at Hat Hut Re: Chasin the Trane Re: Chadbourne Re: Re: Chasin the Trane Re: Chasin the Trane PROMO: Dean Roberts/Werner Dafeldecker-Aluminium ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:19:09 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: [off topic] Sound cards for notebooks Hi, sorry to bother you , but I have no better idea where to ask that... I bought a second hand laptop computer recently (a toshiba 166 - i'll have it in two weeks as i bought it abroad) and would like to use it also for making music. I've been told that the quality of laptop sound outs is very poor because of the interferences from the HD and power supply. Is that true? I 'm not loooking for top quality, as the sound will go through a Korg multi FX, so the accuracy does not interest me that much, i'd just like to avoid some solid noises that seriously affect the sound. And, anyhow, are any cards that include SPDIF and MIDI available ? If yes, is there any good place online to buy such stuff used? How much does such stuff cost? Reply me personally, Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:14:49 +0200 From: Verstraeten Stefan Subject: RE: [off topic] Sound cards for notebooks Sorry for the general reply, but my mail to marcin bounced back.... - -----Original Message----- From: Marcin Gokieli [mailto:marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl] Subject: [off topic] Sound cards for notebooks Hi, sorry to bother you , but I have no better idea where to ask that... I bought a second hand laptop computer recently (a toshiba 166 - i'll have it in two weeks as i bought it abroad) and would like to use it also for making music. I 'm not loooking for top quality, as the sound will go through a Korg multi FX, so the accuracy does not interest me that much, i'd just like to avoid some solid noises that seriously affect the sound. (stefan) believe it or not, but I also have a toshiba and also work with a korg sound module (I have a MS-2000 rack version). So we faced the same problem. I've been told that the quality of laptop sound outs is very poor because of the interferences from the HD and power supply. Is that true? (stefan) I am afraid that this is correct. When I used the toshiba with the hardware it was delivered, it had a lot of problems: too much noise (even when I used the noise suppressor pedal that I have for my guitar it did not help very much) and cracks. And when I played high notes, I was immediately faced with distortion and feedback, even with a low volume on the computer. The best thing to do is in fact buy a soundcard. That way, 99% of the problems dissapear, and since we both use is to manipulate sound, no one will hear the 1% distortion or noise. And, anyhow, are any cards that include SPDIF and MIDI available ? If yes, is there any good place online to buy such stuff used? How much does such stuff cost? (stefan) Midi is in fact the best way to play with your laptop. You almost get a perfect sound this way and the results are far better. the only problem was that I did not found any cards that supported midi. Normally, you should have a gate free to build in a midi gateway (in, out and thru), but expect to pay some money for it. The problem is that there are so many hardware types depending on what you want and the price you want to pay for it. Best wishes Stefan Verstraeten - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:01:06 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: [off-topic] Useful contacts for an european band Hi, sorry a post that may interest only few people... I have recently refformed my band, and we are looking for some place to play. We are located in Warsaw, Poland. We are mostly inrested in places to play in Central Europe - Poland ( it 's rathe hard to find a place to play such stuff in Warsaw), Germany, Holland, Blegium, Tchech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary... Maybe somebody could help? We are currently recording our new music with the new lineup (which consist of myself on loops, vocals, texts, prerecorded sounds, radio, and FXs, Mikolaj Hernik on reeds and FX, and Marcin Rychter on piano). After we make some more recordings i will make some selection available online as MP3s. That should happen in spetember. Another query consist in contact with independent record labels that would be interested in an improvised electroacoustic noisy music. Any ideas? Sorry for bothering you, Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:35:31 +0200 From: Verstraeten Stefan Subject: RE: [off-topic] Useful contacts for an european band - -----Original Message----- From: Marcin Gokieli [mailto:marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl] Sent: woensdag 23 augustus 2000 11:01 To: Zorn List Subject: [off-topic] Useful contacts for an european band Hi, We are currently recording our new music with the new lineup (which = consist of myself on loops, vocals, texts, prerecorded sounds, radio, and FXs, Mikolaj Hernik on reeds and FX, and Marcin Rychter on piano). After we = make some more recordings i will make some selection available online as = MP3s. That should happen in spetember. Another query consist in contact with independent record labels that = would be interested in an improvised electroacoustic noisy music. Any ideas? (stefan) Shoot me for being a little bit too proud, but let personally = plug an interesting belgian record label that brings your music. It is = called Lowlands and is run by Tom (also known as Dj Low who has performed with David Shea, Jim O'rourke, Kondo, Martin T=E9treault, ...). Their = website can be found at: http://www.surf-inn.be/lowlands and their contact address = is lowlands@innet.be. Other good belgian labels are sub rosa and kraak. But if you want a list of good independant labels, go check out the fantastic website "Labellist" at the address http://members.tripod.com/labellist/ Hope this helps, Best wishes, Stefan Verstraeten - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:14:22 +0200 From: Pascal Cortes Subject: Sponsoring problems at Hat Hut I've just learnt that the great swiss label Hat Hut will lose its sponsorship by UBS (a national bank union) at the end of 2000. As a consequence, if they don't find a new sponsor with an equal interest open-mindedness and interest in music, they may have to produce some more commercial-oriented music. Or die. So if any of you know any millionaire, another national bank union, or any other potential investor ... it may help. For those who are not familiar with the label, it started in 1975 and has produced records by (among others): Cecil Taylor, Joe Maneri, Ellery Eskelin, Matthew Shipp, Guillermo Gregorio, ICP Orchestra, Dave Douglas, Ray Anderson, John Zorn (News and More News for Lulu), Joe McPhee, Myra Melford, Paul Dunmall, Misha Mengelberg, Mat Maneri, Franz Koglmann, Simon Nabatov, Harace Tapscott, Clusone 3, Christy Doran, Ran Blake, Taku Sugimoto, Loren MazzaCane Connors, Anthony Braxton, Morton Feldman, Jimmi Giuffre, Urs Leimgruber... and the list goes could go on forever... The best contemporary jazz label in the world ? Hope it won't disappear... Form more details, visit their website at: http://www.hathut.com Pascal. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:44:56 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Chasin the Trane JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > the Coltrane record I've probably played the most over the last few years is > one I don't think's been mentioned yet, Coltrane's Sound (Atlantic). great > tunes and playing by the classic quartet, except Steve Davis is subbing for > Jimmy Garrison, and it contains the oft-covered, gorgeous Equinox. Seconded... a gorgeous, gorgeous record, although far more "inside" than most of what's being mentioned in this thread. This is pretty staight stuff from the nascent "classic" quartet, prior to Garrison's arrival. I think it's the first time Trane used multiphonics on record, as well. Another good marker of just how far Trane was beginning to stray from his former colleagues can be heard on the magnificent live recordings of the Miles Davis Quintet captured live in Stockholm in 1960. This has been available for quite some time as a two CD set on Dragon (as well as half of a four CD set, the other half from months later and including Sonny Stitt replacing Trane). Agreed that this is not a starting point but instead recommended for the intermediate Coltrane fan, but this set is just so enlightening. The material is mostly from the '50s recordings of the first great Davis quintet like 'Kind of Blue,' but this is a far different Trane, one already stretching boundaries and playing extended, furiously roiling solos positively seething with energy (and pissing off Davis in the process). The rest of this fabulous band sounds rather timid by contrast, as Trane's ascension to come is already in evidence at some points here. The two CD version (and probably the four CD version as well) also includes a short but hysterical interview with Trane by some well-meaning Swedish radio journalists. If memory serves, they tell a quietly bemused Trane that he is playing "dangerous" music... Regarding the late stuff, I'm in agreement that much of this is worth hearing repeatedly, especially the gorgeous 'Live at the Village Vanguard Again' - - a young David S. Ware was in the audience. But IMHO, you absolutely must hear the very posthumously released 'Stellar Regions.' This came at the very end of Trane's career, in February 1967 (and was only rediscovered by wife Alice and son Ravi in 1994). One track was released on 'Expression,' the rest sat in a box for almost three decades. The truly astonishing thing about this music is that it begins to point the way towards yet another development in Trane's art... it manages to capture the fiery energy of those epic-length explorations by the late group, yet crystallizes it into quite compact pieces that are far more easily assimilated. Beautiful playing from all concerned (Trane, Alice, Garrison and Rashied Ali). Who knows what might have followed? Check out the following review from the Phoenix New Times if you want to feel your blood boil at the way Trane's late period (not to mention a large chunk of Ornette's career) is STILL being maligned by ill-informed, wrongheaded reviewers with an agenda and column space to fill (this review dates from LAST WEEK, mind you...): http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2000-08-17/music3.html Finally, although its structures are admittedly fairly simplistic and it's almost embarassingly confessional in its heart-on-sleeve spiritualism, 'A Love Supreme' is for my money one of the signal achievements in all of music. Few albums have ever come more nakedly from the heart and soul of any musician. Think I'll be on a Trane trip today... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - John Coltrane, "One Up, One Down," 'Dear Old Stockholm' (Impulse!/GRP) - the (first) classic quartet circa '65, with Roy Haynes subbing for Elvin Jones - - ------------------------------ Date: 23 Aug 2000 06:49:38 -0700 From: Dan Given Subject: Re: Chadbourne > From: "William York" > Subject: Patton/Big Gundown/Chadbourne > > >NP Eugene Chadbourne & Paul Lovens (Leo Records) > How is this? I saw it, but again, haven't had a chance to hear it. This is a typical Chadbourne release -- which to me is always a bit disappointing. it is very hit and miss, there's some good stuff, and quite a bit of bad. And the sound on some of it is pretty poor. It probably would have made a really good single disc, but stretching it over 2 wasn't necessary. And Loven's doesn't come through the way I was hoping. > Also, has anyone heard that CD "The Zu Side of >Eugene Chadbourne" with that Italian > band? If so, how is that one? I like this one a lot. Loud, rockish, and fun. I'd also like to put in a plug for a 'radio CD release party' for a new Chadbourne album next week. It is a Chadbourne/Vertrek Ensemble disc recorded last spring. Vertrek are coming into the studio with me, we'll be playing the disc, they're bringing instruments and will be playing, and we're hoping to get Chadbourne on the phone (which may be a problem, because he is in Sicily that night). Anyway, the station is broadcast over the web in quicktime, found at www.cjsr.com. Next Thursday, September 1 at 8pm Mountain time (10 eastern, 11 pacific, anyone else figure it out for yourself). Also, if anyone wants the disc before the usual distributors get it, contact me and I'll pass the message on. Dan _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:09:04 -0400 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: Chasin the Trane >Check out the following review from the Phoenix New Times if Pretty funny. "Would you rather hear a jackhammer or a car crash?" Of course the correct answer is "Both, please." (At least this guy gave the albums plenty of space & description, enough that if I was still a teenager who'd never even heard of Coltrane or Coleman I'd immediately rush out and buy the albums.) Lang - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:18:59 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Chasin the Trane wlt4@mindspring.com wrote: > (At least this guy gave the albums plenty of space & description, enough that if I was still a teenager who'd never even heard of Coltrane or Coleman I'd immediately rush out and buy the albums.) I hadn't thought of that. You're quite correct. Steve ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Miles Davis & John Coltrane, "On Green Dolphin Street," 'Live in Stockholm 1960' (Dragon) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:33:28 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: PROMO: Dean Roberts/Werner Dafeldecker-Aluminium sorry for the promotional intrusion, and further apologies if you receive=20 more than one copy of this: I'm proud to announce the release of the latest CD on my label: Dean Roberts/Werner Dafeldecker-Aluminium (Erstwhile 009) Dean Roberts and Werner Dafeldecker seem unlikely collaborators at first=20 glance. Roberts, who originally hails from New Zealand, began his career delving int= o=20 guitar drones and feedback, both in the trio Thela and on his own, under the= =20 name White Winged Moth. He founded the label Formacentric Disk in order to=20 document a wider range of his work, and released four projects in two years.= =20 In 1998, he began working with the influential German label Mille Plateaux,=20 who put out his much acclaimed All Cracked Medias, and earlier this year, An= d=20 the Black Moths Play the Grand Cinema, on their more experimental sublabel=20 Ritornell.=20 Dafeldecker, a lifelong resident of Vienna, is probably best known for being= =20 an integral member of the improv supergroup Polwechsel, as well as for=20 founding and running the influential label Durian. He's composed numerous=20 pieces for various classical ensembles, and also appears on two recent=20 notable CDs, Printer (Durian), and Martin Siewert's Komfort 2000 (Charhizma)= .=20 Originally primarily a bassist, Dafeldecker has been working more with guita= r=20 and electronics recently, both of which he plays to great effect on Aluminiu= m. Aluminium was recorded during a marathon studio session in Vienna in April,=20 and was brilliantly mastered by Tim Barnes. Both musicians play guitar and=20 electronics, along with occasional percussion on a hi-hat placed between=20 them. On the first track, Dafeldecker's sine wave electronics intersect with= =20 Roberts' rough guitar textures, priming the listener's aural palette for the= =20 marathon track which follows. This half hour long piece is a atmospheric=20 exploration fusing the legacy of AMM with the spirit of rock and roll. "Roberts and Dafeldecker avoid flamboyant gestures as emphatically as a trus= t=20 fund anarchist dodges the neighborhood Starbucks. They prefer to gradually=20 generate magnetic tension by parsimoniously deploying contrasting squeals,=20 scrapes, whines, and bell-like tolls like small objects on a vast, hushed=20 soundfield. The two men evoke a space where humans are heard but not seen,=20 crafting visions of a humming metalworks with nary a human in sight."--Bill=20 Meyer personnel: Dean Roberts-guitar, electronics and percussion=20 Werner Dafeldecker-guitar, electronics and percussion track listing: 1. Rock and Roll Part 4-10:34 2. Rock and Roll Part 5-30:03 more info available at the following web sites, or contact Erstwhile Records= =20 at ErstRecs@aol.com: http://www.erstwhilerecords.com http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mdafel.html http://www.angelfire.com/music/formacentric/roberts.html http://www.durian.at all Erstwhile CDs can be purchased from numerous worldwide distributors, all= =20 of which are listed on my web site. also, all Erstwhile releases can be=20 purchased via mail order (prices are for single CDs):=20 $13 US each postpaid within the United States=20 $14 US each postpaid to Canada=20 $16 US each postpaid overseas=20 all payments must be made in US funds. cash and money orders shipped=20 immediately. mail cash at your own risk. shipments paid for with checks held= =20 until they clear. please send your order to: Erstwhile Records 189 Christopher Columbus Dr. Apt. #4 Jersey City, NJ 07302 - ----------------------------- future releases from Erstwhile will include: 010: G=FCnter M=FCller/L=EA Quan Ninh-The Liquid Vowel 011: Otomo Yoshihide/Voice Crack 012: Thomas Lehn/Marcus Schmickler-Bart 013: Axel D=F6rner/Kevin Drumm 014: TV Pow/Stilluppsteypa 015: Phil Durrant/Thomas Lehn/Radu Malfatti also available now: 001-VHF-Extracts 002-Haunted House-Up In Flames 003-Earl Howard/Denman Maroney-Fire Song 004-2-Thomas Lehn/Gerry Hemingway-Tom & Gerry (double CD) 005-Keith Rowe/G=FCnter M=FCller/Taku Sugimoto-The World Turned Upside Down 006-Kevin Drumm/Martin T=E9treault-Particles and Smears 007-John Butcher/Phil Durrant-Requests and Antisongs 008-Burkhard Stangl/Christof Kurzmann-Schnee thanks for reading. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #18 ****************************** To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com