From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #51 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Sunday, September 10 2000 Volume 03 : Number 051 In this issue: - Music in Vienna Re: Music in Vienna Re: catsup? Stalling Re: cobra/tonic Re[2]: cobra/tonic Re: Lurie v. Dorf re: cobra@tonic rock qs Re: Lurie v. Dorf Re: Cobra @ Tonic Administrivia Re: rock qs rerelease list fwd: lamonte young's joanna john zorn ebay.. Odp: john zorn ebay.. Re: Music in Vienna Re: Lurie v. Dorf Louis Sclavis Re: Louis Sclavis Re: Louis Sclavis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:19:21 -0500 From: "Diego Gruber" Subject: Music in Vienna Greetings Zornlisters, I will soon be moving to Vienna, and I would like to know if someone could recommend me the best places to buy music and attend live performances. Also if somebody on this list lives there and would also like to give me a hand in other issues, i'd be most grateful. Sorry for the intermission. D. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:34:15 GMT+0100 From: "Jeroen de Boer" Subject: Re: Music in Vienna I was in Vienna this summer, meeting many of the interesting musicians over there (Pita, Radian etc.) Anyway, the place to go to is Rhiz (www.rhiz.org). Cool dj's every night, plus really interesting performances. Ikue Mori teamed up with Fennesz last week. I very nice recordstore is Rave Up Records: lots of electronic stuff and a special Vienna-section. The best place to buy music though is the Mego-office (their mdos mailorder is located at www.mdos.at). I hope this helps! Jeroen > Greetings Zornlisters, > > I will soon be moving to Vienna, and I would like to know if someone could > recommend me the best places to buy music and attend live performances. Also > if somebody on this list lives there and would also like to give me a hand > in other issues, i'd be most grateful. > > Sorry for the intermission. > > D. > > > - > - ---------------------------------------- Jeroen de Boer music director Open Electronic Festival/Cyberslag Foundation Munnekeholm 10, 9711JA Groningen The Netherlands tel/fax: +31 (0)503634676/(0)503632209 gsm: +31 (0)624814506 usva-th2@bureau.rug.nl http://www.cyberslag.com - ---------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:47:28 -0400 From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: Re: catsup? Stalling Peter Risser: My understanding is that one was a compilation of bits and pieces, with maybe one or two entire scores, while the second was entire scores. Is this not true? Pretty much. On the first one, Willner created thematic "suites" of bits and pieces. John Zorn, who was involved in the project initially, reportedly dropped out because he felt they shouldn't be chopped up (ironic, huh?). The second volume contains mostly full scores. Glenn - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:29:50 -0700 From: "graham connah" Subject: Re: cobra/tonic jenny s? would be jenny scheinman , on violin. ex-bay area and soon to have an album out on tzadik. - --GC > I tried to jot down the performers' names but I missed a few, mostly > because I couldn't understand Zorn. Jamie Saft (organ, elec. keys), > Mark Dresser (b), Ikue Mori (drum machines), Steve Bernstein (cornet, > slide trumpet), Sylvie Courvoisier (p), ? Lee (cello), Laura Bromwel > ? (d), Chris Cochraine (g), Susie Ibarra (d), Fred Sherry (cello), > Curtis Hasselbring (tb), and Jenny S ? (violin), with Zorn prompting. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:37:00 -0400 From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: cobra/tonic Hello graham, Friday, September 08, 2000, you wrote to me: gc> jenny s? would be jenny scheinman , on violin. ex-bay area and soon to have gc> an album out on tzadik. Are you sure about Tzadik? I thought it will be Avant. Laura Bromwel was actually Laura Cromwell. BTW, who was Lee on cello I wonder? Was she Peggy Lee or somebody else? >> ? Lee (cello), Laura Bromwel ? (d), and Jenny S ? (violin) - -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.shkin.com/downtown/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: jason tors Subject: Re: Lurie v. Dorf It is strange that a lot of the downtowners still play at the KFand give dorf praise. I was at the BAJF this summer seeing E# and sex mob in the courtyard of the worldtrade center. Not only was the crowd management too extreme but the sound was horrible. Sex Mob was so poorly mixed the sound guy thought that he was doing a rock concert. The bass was totally cranked and blew one of the speakers in the first tune, and continued to buzz the entire time. I was surprise to hear berstein elaborate on what a great organization the KF is and how dorf is such a great guy. Either bernstein is nice to get more gigs [they were the tab bar band for a year or so] or doesnt agree with lourie and his hatred for the KF. Incidently, a few friend of mine used to record live acts at the KF all the time, they have few fond words for dorf and his organization. Lourie is right, the venue is a painful one to navigate if you are seeing more than one show there in a night. Just getting in the door and downstairs into the tap bar is impossible. Take the time and actually call > John Zorn, Marc Ribot, > James Blood Ulmer, Steven Bernstein, Arto Lindsay, > Elliot Sharp, Ann Magnuson > -- anybody who helped the little creep get his club > off the ground and ask > them. These people that I've listed are the ones who > got top treatment from > Dorf because he needed them. The way he treats > lesser-known musicians is > criminal. > Please join us in welcoming Downtown pioneer (and > former Lounge Lizard) Arto > Lindsay as our Knitting Factory Hollywood grand > opening party's performing > artist on September 18; Elliott Sharp at KFNY on > October 13 for his > Terraplane record release party (on Knitting Factory > Records); and Steven > Bernstein's Sex Mob at KFLA in December, all of > whom, contrary to John's > claims, still work with the Knitting Factory, and we > are very pleased to host > these truly wonderful and innovative artists. > Michael Dorf > Founder and CEO > KnitMedia > > > Oh yeah, and here's the article about Dorf and the > Knitting Factory-Hollywood > (zorn-content): > http://www.newtimesla.com/issues/2000-06-08/music.html > > jeff caltabiano > n.p. dave douglas: soul on soul > > - > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:50:06 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: re: cobra@tonic i was there last night as well, for the second (short) set. i've seen cobra a number of times, though not a huge number. last night was probably the most musically interesting round i've seen, perhaps because the musicians seemed more into playing with each other and following the prompts than wresting control of the proceedings (which is also fun, but i suspect that's the part that gets lost on record). i also got to sit to the side, so i could see all of the prompts as they were displayed. basically numbers and letters and a slow fade out card and a sudden stop card. couldn't decodify the meanings but it was instructive to see what patterns repeat with which prompts. but that all's kinda beside the point. it's interesting, but i think sometimes too much energy is spent breaking the code and not enough thinking about whether or not something interesting has been produced. last night it very much was. coupla addenda to dan's discourse: > Laura Bromwel ? (d), Cromwell. more below. >Chris Cochraine (g), 'cochrane,' but no biggie >Jenny S ? (violin), Schieneman, although here my spelling's probably off. she's from the bay area, a former member of charming hostess, who moved to nyc last year and has gigged on occasion with myra melford, among others. >Laura (the other drummer who must be a rock drummer based on the dual toms in rock formation and the WFMU sticker on the bass drum). Cromwell is no more a rock drummer than wfmu is a rock station, if you don't mind my saying. she was in dim sum clip job (avant release) and performs regularly with dscj saxist gordon knauer (who plays under the name dorgon or mr. dorgon now). she also presented a pretty remarkable ensemble piece last year at roulette that reminded me somewhat of zorn's extended fast-cut pieces. she is a pretty powerful drummer, and i wouldn't be surprised if she's done some rocking out as well. last night might have actually been a good one for cd release. see ya. kg np: scott johnson - rock paper scissors - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:57:26 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: rock qs for perhaps silly reasons, i'd like to hear thoughts about alex harvey and about brian auger/julie driscoll/keith tippet. impress everyone by forging a zornlink, or email me privately. uh, wait, king crimson -> adrian belew -> laurie anderson -> joey baron? i'm pretty sure... alex harvey, however, 'zadoozy. kg - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:34:51 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Lurie v. Dorf In a message dated 9/8/00 2:41:01 PM, JASONTORS@YAHOO.COM writes: << Lourie is right, the venue is a painful one to navigate if you are seeing more than one show there in a night. Just getting in the door and downstairs into the tap bar is impossible. >> ok, now the last thing in the world anyone would accuse me of is being an apologist for Michael Dorf, but this is just silly. maybe it's true during the two weeks of the festival, but during the rest of the year, it involves successfully navigating a staircase. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:49:23 -0400 From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: Re: Cobra @ Tonic Hello, >I tried to jot down the performers' names but I missed a few, mostly >because I couldn't understand Zorn. (...) ? Lee (cello) (..) Considering the NOW Orchestra will play in Montreal next Tuesday, I guess Peggy Lee makes a lot of sense. However, I was not there and I could definitely be wrong... Tschuss, Mathieu - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:05:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "m. rizzi" Subject: Administrivia A quick note about zorn-list adminstration: I haven't kept up with maintaining the zorn-list the last couple of weeks, so if you have a message sitting in my bounce queue, I'll be getting to it soon (there are over 400 bounces waiting for me!). After 12 years at this email address, netcom is retiring all the netcom.com accounts and sadly I'll be losing this email address shortly (I've been searching for a new account these past few weeks, hence my z-list negligence). If you've been corresponding with me using zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com then my address change will be transparent. However, If you have rizzi@netcom.com in your address book, please change it to rizzi@browbeat.com thanks, mike rizzi - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:56:22 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: rock qs kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote: > > for perhaps silly reasons, i'd like to hear thoughts about alex harvey and about > brian auger/julie driscoll/keith tippet. impress everyone by forging a zornlink, > or email me privately. I'd highly recommend Julie Tippetts' "Sunset Glow", recorded in 1975 and reissued on disc within the last year. One of my favorite "pop song" records ever, to the extent that it qualifies as such. Brian Olewnick - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:55:41 -0500 From: "rinkedinkus@earthlink.net" Subject: rerelease list hello from colorado's newest transplanted improvising bassist/reedplayer! a question for all yooze zornlisters:given the plethora of amazing rereleases that have shown up in the last few years-brotzmann's "nipples", frank wright 4tet "center of the world" and many, many others, is there any sort of somewhat comprehensive list of these rereleases? many thanks in advance! pcl - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:00:27 -0700 (PDT) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: fwd: lamonte young's joanna seeing as there has been some discussion of la monte, thought this would be of interest in some odd way... hasta. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- To: nww@egroups.com Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 01:23:42 -0000 Subject: [NWW] lamonte young's joanna Reply-To: nww@egroups.com Maybe you lot would be interested to read that Lamonte Young's 'The Well-Tuned Piano' 5CD boxed set has been put up on napster. If you type "la monte young" into the artist part of the search engine you should see the 5 discs... if a user with them is online at that moment. I've seen them there mostly in the evening. I've been listening to the first couple of discs (the download time is huge, obviously) and I'm quite impressed... I'd rather be listening to Morton Feldman tho :) later - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:56:53 EDT From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: john zorn ebay.. yeah..i don't know what the protocal is on this..but my friend is selling Filmworks 2 on Ebay for a dollar for me...he gave it a lot of hype, and it's pretty funny to see this overblown description of zorn being an "ear shattering epiphany" or something... so. yeah here's the link. http:/ /cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=429366533 from, matt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:37:28 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: john zorn ebay.. From: > yeah..i don't know what the protocal is on this..but my friend is selling > Filmworks 2 on Ebay for a dollar for me...he gave it a lot of hype, and it's > pretty funny to see this overblown description of zorn being an "ear > shattering epiphany" or something... Would anybody agree with me that Filmworks II is the best JZ album ever? (absinthe, torture garden and gimmell come close) Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 22:37:30 +0200 From: Fritz Feger Subject: Re: Music in Vienna There is a beautiful little record store which name I have forgotten... it= =20 is located at the "Judenplatz" in the "1. Bezirk", the inner city; you=20 can't miss it. They are specialized on jazz, with a nice electronics=20 department and a huge avant department; Tzadik, Avant, everything.=20 Competent guys. Every saturday afternoon, there is an open air electronic party on the=20 "Heldenplatz" between town hall and Burgtheater where I work a couple of=20 times each month - but not for the last three months because of the theatre= =20 holidays; thus I don't know if this regular event still takes place. It is= =20 meant to be a demo against the new worryingly right wing Austrian=20 government (which is, beside other unpleasant things, outspokenly=20 anti-avant-art) and frequently features such vienna electronic grands as=20 Kruder & Dorfmeister. By the way, an interesting 68-like atmosphere where=20 you can observe the virgin political conciousness of Austrian people which= =20 have ever been living in an apolitical milieu until the recent government=20 participation of the populistic FP=D6 with their charismatic=20 chief-propagandist J=F6rg Haider. Fritz. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 20:51:26 -0400 From: "&c." Subject: Re: Lurie v. Dorf I'm confused: Who's the jerk? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:20:08 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Louis Sclavis I just saw the movie "Kadosh", with a very good score by Louis Sclavis, consisting almost entirely of clarinets and what may have been either accordion or even more massed clarinets. Strongly klezmer-influenced but with much different structural and harmonic approaches. I vaguely recall his name coming up here. Any recommendations for his recordings? - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:41:40 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Louis Sclavis In a message dated 9/10/00 3:05:37 PM, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes: << I vaguely recall his name coming up here. Any recommendations for his recordings? >> the duo with Ernst Reijseger on FMP, Et On Ne Parle Pas Du Temps, is superb, but I don't think it's very typical of his work. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:14:37 +0200 From: Bertrand Guggenheim Subject: Re: Louis Sclavis Joseph Zitt a =E9crit: > I just saw the movie "Kadosh", with a very good score by Louis Sclavis, > consisting almost entirely of clarinets and what may have been either > accordion or even more massed clarinets. Strongly klezmer-influenced bu= t > with much different structural and harmonic approaches. > > I vaguely recall his name coming up here. Any recommendations for his > recordings I think there is a cd with Kadosh music, but not sure .... Otherwise, Trio de Clarinettes on FMP, with Jacques Di Donato & Armand Angster, all 3 on clarinet and / or bass clarinet is great, the freest thing I know from him. BTW, I would not say it is in a kletzmer mood ... My other favorite is Chine on IDA, excellent "chamber jazz", unfortunatel= y OOP. Rouge on ECM, is in the same mood with the same line up (clarinets & sopranosax, piano, violin, bass, drums), a bit under but not bad ... Another one with a slightly different line up is Acoustic Quartet with Pifarely (violin), Marc Ducret (guitar) and Chevillon (bass), not one of = my favorites. And one of his last cd Suite Africaine with Henri Texier (bass), Aldo Rom= ano (drums), inspired by their trip in Africa (with a 100 pages booklet of photographs by Guy Le Querrec who plays ... Leica), had an intense marketing here in France and was sold quite well ... more mainstream but enjoyable ... And there are many others I do not know: one tribute to Ellington, one wi= th Rameau tunes, one clarinet solo, Dance music, etc ...... - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #51 ****************************** To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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