From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #130 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, October 21 2000 Volume 03 : Number 130 In this issue: - Re: Rozie question GODSPEED Re: Prévost pronunciation Re:_Prévost_pronunciation Odds & Sods Re: Odds & Sods Re: GODSPEED Patton's "Pranzo Oltranzista" Re: Odds & Sods Re: Odds & Sods Re: Odds & Sods Re: Odds & Sods Re: Odds & Sods New Potlatch releases Re: What was I thinking? Re: Prévost pronunciation Re: Patton's "Pranzo Oltranzista" Rozie Carl Stone Re: Odds & Sods Re: What was I thinking? Re: Odds & Sods ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:21:54 -0400 From: "Michael Berman" Subject: Re: Rozie question > Lee Rozie is also based in Hartford. He's gone heavily into the = Native > American heritage exploration, performing under the name Mixashawn. > = - - >=20 Wow, so that's who that is. I picked up a "Mixashawn & Word, Out..." = (indian ruins records '93) several years ago real cheap at a Smithsonian = cut out cd bin here in DC. didn't know who it was but, although it = looked kinda new agey, (which it kinda was at parts..there was even a = *recommended for Air Play New Age* star for one cut), it seemed strange = enough to pick up as it had a picture of him playing bir 'm bau with a = soprano sax behind him. =20 well the cd was definitely a dud though hinted at being kind of out = there in parts, but its kind of amazing to find out that Mixashawn was = not a nobody from Minniapolis. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:07:04 +0000 From: Philippe Dupuis Subject: GODSPEED hello, - -Godspeed You Black Emperor is coming to town in a couple of - -weeks with Mecca Normal. What do you guys think of these bands? i saw them play in montreal about a year ago and while i enjoyed the night, i wasn't that taken with them. labradford was there and i thought that these three guys filled the sonic landscape of the night better then the 10 or so musicians that make up godspeed. they have such a massive sound, and i felt that they where going through certain motions (bringing up the volume and intensity of the pieces) in a way that i felt was mechanical and served only to tense me up ... i'm not sure if this is making any sense at all. maybe i can relate it to horror films, the way that they sometimes surprise, or shock instead of scare and terrify. the old hitch take on anyone can bring up the volume and momentarily shock you, but it takes skill to build up suspense. not that they have this terrible way to make people jump in their seats or anything ... but i remember feeling a bit shaken afterwards. maybe it's just me. i do remember hearing a piece by A SILVER MOUNT ZION a while back and really thinking it was good. more balanced. i don't know what the tune was called or what the album is called ... does anyone have it - is it any good? (i think i would buy it) and i did just recently re-read the WIRE article on GODSPEED and really enjoyed what the guitarist (Efrim i think) had to say. - -The short sound samples I've heard weren't enough to pass - -judgment. I don't want to find out they were fantastic after - -I miss the show. well, you're talking to a guy here that doesn't have the privilege to live in an area that has good live music. only local bands that are terribly bad. so, YES go see them!!! martin dupuis - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:22:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Prévost pronunciation OK, I'll bite: Hugh-ge-know C'est correct Pascal? Ken Waxman - --- Jim Flannery wrote: > Pascal Cortes wrote: > > > > BTW, how do you pronounce "Huguenot" ? > > Are you trying to embarrass us? :-) _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:30:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re:_Prévost_pronunciation Mais Pascal: Mon pronounciation est que j'ai appris a l'ecole a Quebec. Est-ce qu'il est possible que le francais international avait un pronounciation different que les Quebecois. Ken Waxman (who probably makes as little sense in French as English) - --- Pascal Cortes wrote: > At 13:35 20/10/00 -0400, Ken Waxman wrote: > >No, it's not. > > > >It's Pree-voh (the name is originally French > >Huguenot) > > > >Ken Waxman > ------ > So, we all agree that the end is "-oh", but I'm > curious why you pronounce > "Pré-" as "Pree"... do you mean the same "ee" as in > "deep" for example? > That wouldn't be usual for a french "é"... > From an online french pronounciation lesson for > english speakers, here is > what I found: > "é is pronounced as a long a. Examples: donné /dun > nay/, écu /ay kY/ " > > Well... it's an approximation, but I think It's a > better approximation than > "ee". > So, I'm sorry, I insist, it's "Pray-voh" (with a > french "r" also, please) > > BTW, how do you pronounce "Huguenot" ? > ;-) _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:06:08 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Odds & Sods 'Waxman' is pronounced "wakes-mahn" If you believe "...this Crimson does not include Bruford & Levin, but still rules!!", I have some land in Arizona I'll sell you cheap. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:47:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Odds & Sods Nope, it's pronounced exactly as it looks. Or if you prefer French it's Homme de Cire KW - --- s~Z wrote: > 'Waxman' is pronounced "wakes-mahn" _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:25:59 -0400 From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: Re: GODSPEED Hello, >-Godspeed You Black Emperor is coming to town in a couple of >-weeks with Mecca Normal. What do you guys think of these bands? I must confess I have never heard about Mecca Normal, but I am probably the biggest godspeed you black emperor! on this list... So, I would say go and enjoy one of the best live bands! But, I am not the most objective person for this... I think they evolved since last year. They are probably more tight then they were during their last North American tour (Fall 99). At least they sound like they are. They also have two new songs ("12-28-99" and "Tazer Floyd") that are excellent. While it remains in their kind of music, it is different than their previous compositions. I would also suggest their latest album _Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven_. Very good with some interesting tape loops, drones, etc. >i do remember hearing a piece by A SILVER MOUNT ZION a while >back and really thinking it was good. more balanced. i don't know >what the tune was called or what the album is called ... does anyone >have it - is it any good? (i think i would buy it) The A Silver Mt Zion album is called _He Has Left Us Alone But Shafts Of Light Sometimes Grace the Croner of Our Rooms..._. It is one of my favorite album since its release last March. It can take time to get used to it, but there are some wonderful moments. And I love this title "the world is sickSICK; (so kiss me quick)"... The band consists of Thierry on bass, Sophie on violon and Efrim on piano/tape loops/all-the-rest (all three members of gybe!). They also have some guest musicians like Sam Shalabi and Aidan (drummer of gybe!). Bonne fin de soiree, Mathieu (qui parle evidemment francais!) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:15:26 +1000 From: "Adam Rock" Subject: Patton's "Pranzo Oltranzista" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C03B58.9855E220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Zorn-listers, Anyone care to offer their impressions regarding Mike Patton's "Pranzo = Oltranzista"? I purchased the cd at the beginning of this year and i'm = still uncertain how I feel about it. Thanks, Adam - ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C03B58.9855E220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Zorn-listers,
 
Anyone care to offer their impressions regarding Mike Patton's = "Pranzo=20 Oltranzista"? I purchased the cd at the beginning of this year and i'm = still=20 uncertain how I feel about it.
 
Thanks,
 
Adam
- ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C03B58.9855E220-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:48:52 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Odds & Sods On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 04:06:08PM -0700, s~Z wrote: > If you believe "...this Crimson does not include Bruford & Levin, but still > rules!!", I have some land in Arizona I'll sell you cheap. Why would one doubt that Bruford and Levin aren't currently in the band? - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:58:37 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Odds & Sods At 08:48 PM 10/20/00 -0400, Joseph Zitt wrote: > >Why would one doubt that Bruford and Levin aren't currently in the band? Perhaps because the newest KC album only includes Fripp, Mastelotto, Gunn & Belew? - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:16:49 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Odds & Sods On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 09:58:37PM -0400, Caleb T. Deupree wrote: > At 08:48 PM 10/20/00 -0400, Joseph Zitt wrote: > > > >Why would one doubt that Bruford and Levin aren't currently in the band? > > Perhaps because the newest KC album only includes Fripp, Mastelotto, Gunn & > Belew? Yes, and therefore? - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:14:49 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: Odds & Sods At 09:16 PM 10/20/00 -0400, Joseph Zitt wrote: >> > >> >Why would one doubt that Bruford and Levin aren't currently in the band? >> >> Perhaps because the newest KC album only includes Fripp, Mastelotto, Gunn & >> Belew? > >Yes, and therefore? Maybe I should ask why individuals who don't play, record, tour, or share common interests (since Bruford won't play the kind of percussion Fripp wants) with the band are in the band? - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:00:14 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Odds & Sods On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 10:14:49PM -0400, Caleb T. Deupree wrote: > At 09:16 PM 10/20/00 -0400, Joseph Zitt wrote: > >> > > >> >Why would one doubt that Bruford and Levin aren't currently in the band? > >> > >> Perhaps because the newest KC album only includes Fripp, Mastelotto, Gunn & > >> Belew? > > > >Yes, and therefore? > > Maybe I should ask why individuals who don't play, record, tour, or share > common interests (since Bruford won't play the kind of percussion Fripp > wants) with the band are in the band? Why would you say that they're in the band? - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:50:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Oger Subject: New Potlatch releases Some of you already know it, but I just want to let you know about new releases on Potlatch : - - "Billabong" by Denman MARONEY (hyperpiano) and Hans TAMMEN (endangered guitar). Recorded in NYC in 1999. (Potlatch 100) - - "Dark Rags" by Evan PARKER (tenor sax) and Keith ROWE (guitar) recorded live on 12/31/1999 and 01/01/2000 in Nantes (France). (Potlatch 200) More details about mail order and distribution on website. http://www.potlatch.digiweb.fr Jacques Oger potlatch@worldnet.fr - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:19:16 GMT From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: What was I thinking? Hey, >So, a question for you all - when did *you* realise that your music >obsession was out of control? And did you care? I ordered the Zorn/Eye 100 CD box and started putting up a new shelf, only for that box. I remember trying to explain a friend exactly why I was doing this, and it made me think again... "Don't you get it?? I MUST have 100 CDs of two guys screaming and honking a saxophone!" But naturally, when I stopped thinking about it, I didn't care... ARTHUR_G _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:24:06 GMT From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Prévost pronunciation At 13:35 20/10/00 -0400, Ken Waxman wrote: >No, it's not. > >It's Pree-voh (the name is originally French Huguenot) > >Ken Waxman I pronounce it "Ree-bo" ;-) ARTHUR_G _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:29:47 GMT From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Patton's "Pranzo Oltranzista" >Anyone care to offer their impressions regarding Mike Patton's "Pranzo >Oltranzista"? It's good. Hardly no vocals. Ribot is amazing. ARTHUR_G _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:24:36 +0200 From: "Mads Ruby" Subject: Rozie Gee, I knew this list was the place to ask. Thanks for the info, that = was a great help... now I=B4ll just have to start looking for the = records. Glad I=B4m not the only one who treasures the Afro Algonquin = album. Cheers, Mads np: Sun Ra: New Steps - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:07:15 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Carl Stone Caught Carl Stone at Roulette (NYC) the other night. His "Mom's" on New Albion has been a major favorite of mine for a number of years and I've also enjoyed his collaboration with Otomo and his album on em:t, "Nyala". However, more recent recorded work of his I'd found wanting, especially "Exusiai", which really tested my patience, so I went in to the show somewhat dubiously. He performed on Powerbook more or less without interruption aside from a technical glitch or two. The first 20 or so minutes sounded like a pastiche of Terry Riley circa "Shri Camel", the next 10 a secondhand plunderphonic exhibition. The sonic quality itself was shallow and obvious enough that I thought perhaps he might have been intentionally "cheapening" the sound for some reason; I was probably giving him too much credit. A woman in the audience had brought an infant who began crying as soon as the concert started; thus far into the show, I preferred the baby. Glitch taken care of, Stone began an overlapping series of descending, whooshing patterns that were fairly attractive for a minute or two, but gradually morphed into more pastel washes. I found myself regretting one aspect of Powerbook composers: they rarely get physically tired enough to take a break. Finally, in the last 6 or 7 minutes, using what I'm fairly convinced were warped samples from the concluding, instrumental portion of "Axis: Bold as Love", Stone built a thick, complex matrix of sound with some meat on the bone. This was the Stone I'd known and loved. I could've easily listened to a whole show like this. Any other thoughts on Stone's work, especially recent stuff? Brian Olewnick (happy with himself that he'd always said "pray-voh" but still finding himself pronouncing AMM as a single word) NP: Lehn/Schmickler - BART. Very fine. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:20:45 -0700 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Odds & Sods Why would one doubt that Bruford and Levin aren't currently in the band? From latest DMG email: KING CRIMSON!!!! Returns to NYC on Sunday & Monday November 12th & 13th at the Supper Club at 8pm - this Crimson does not include Bruford & Levin, but still rules!! - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:00:13 -0400 From: Ian Farrell Subject: Re: What was I thinking? I have not been following this thread, so maybe this is a stupid question, but is there REALLY a "zorn/eye 100 CD box" set? where do you get it? is there a URL to read about it? how much does it cost? a thousand dollars? > From: "Arthur Gadney" > Subject: Re: What was I thinking? > > I ordered the Zorn/Eye 100 CD box and started putting up a new shelf, only > for that box. I remember trying to explain a friend exactly why I was doing > this, and it made me think again... "Don't you get it?? I MUST have 100 CDs > of two guys screaming and honking a saxophone!" - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 13:22:30 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Odds & Sods On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 07:20:45AM -0700, s~Z wrote: > Why would one doubt that Bruford and Levin aren't currently in the band? > > >From latest DMG email: > > KING CRIMSON!!!! Returns to NYC on Sunday & Monday November > 12th & 13th at the Supper Club at 8pm - this Crimson does not > include Bruford & Levin, but still rules!! Exactly. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #130 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? 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