From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #181 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, November 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 181 In this issue: - Re: Amazon's obnoxious pricing Re: Amazon's obnoxious pricing ennio morricone plus tidbits Re: Zorn ends Masada Robbie Robertson? Re: Robbie Robertson? Re: Robbie Robertson? Re[2]: Amazon's obnoxious pricing Re: new derek bailey releases Brahms/Ribot correction Re: Amazon's obnoxious pricing Re: Brahms/Ribot correction zorn ends masada Masada in Paris Re: zorn ends masada Re: Robbie Robertson? Iranian music (Re: various) Tiszji Munoz Re: Tiszji Munoz Re: Tiszji Munoz Re: ennio morricone plus tidbits Amazon et al Supporting your Local Record Store ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:16:17 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Amazon's obnoxious pricing s~Z wrote: > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2626344,00.html > Wow. Thanks, Keith. Now that really DOES make me wonder... I was certain that I saw $13.99 yesterday. Then I followed my very own link, as quoted in Steve's message and got $15.99. And I did not "flush my cache" before relaunching and trying again, also resulting in $15.99. Now that's truly weird and more than a little suspect. Note that I've never, ever bought anything from Amazon. And now I suppose I never shall. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:09:39 -0500 From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Amazon's obnoxious pricing >Steve wrote: > >>Everyone seems to be listing it under Stian Carstensen's name. >>Amazon has it for $13.99: >>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004RGPN/qid=975349431/sr=1-/102-664 > >2104-8233754 > >Hmmm. I've read a few articles about Amazon having different pricing for >different tiers of customers. > >Here's what *I* got when I went to see what Steve had to say about the CD: >Farmers Market >Stian Carstensen >List Price: >$17.97 >Our Price: >$15.99 >You Save: $1.98 (11%) >So, they are offering it to one Steve for $2.00 less than they are offering >it to a different Steve. > >VERY nice of them. Jeezus, that sucks. Please don't *anybody* try & justify >this little bit of insanely off-putting capitalism.... Gee, Now I feel "special". The gods of Amazon have deigned to only charge me 13.99. But seriously, I've seen this stuff in action before, and its become increasingly popular with web-store designers. If you have ever "registered" with one of these sites, they have the ability to show you a completely different database of products, OR the same products at different prices. Once your web browser accepts their cookie, you have been cataloged, ranked, indexed, and numbered(apologies to Patrick McGoohan) Rich - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:00:43 -0400 From: mwoodwor Subject: ennio morricone plus tidbits Hi everyone - I'm fairly new to the list so forgive me if this has already been discussed at length - I recently purchaed ennio morricone's "western quintet" and LOVE it, I also own "mondo morricone" and the soundtracks to Once upon a time in the west and fistful and for a few dollars more (all three are on one CD). Where should I head next? What other morricone releases do people on the list have that are so good that it makes them want to puke?!? BTW1 thanks to the people who rec. William Gaddis - The recognitions to read, it is an excellent book (anything that combines a monkey, barn, and some sleigh-bells is top-notch in my books) BTW2 - movie rec. is Shindo's (the director) film from the mid sixties entitled "onibaba" about a couple of japanese peasant women, some armour, a man of questionable character, a weird mask, and a big hole (hard film to explain but watch it if you can) BTW3 - now listening to Dean Robert's - And the Black Moth Plays the Grand Cinema - Excellent release! Always happy to hear someone "covering" Brian Eno. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:01:36 +0800 From: Rob Allaert Subject: Re: Zorn ends Masada op 29-11-2000 01:56 schreef DRoyko@aol.com op DRoyko@aol.com: How do you mean "what appears"? Did he say something to that effect from the stage? I'd like to assume he'll be honoring already-scheduled gigs, since I'm planning on driving up to Minneapolis in April to see them. It said so in our local newspaper. I supposed they talked with Zorn himself to come to this conclusion. I'm sure they will finish their planned concerts. Rob@llaert.NU "The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening as the performer to playing." - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:55:27 -0500 From: perdida Subject: Robbie Robertson? Hi there! kurt gottschalk quoted from Oseary: > "Jews Who Rock" >(St. Martin's Griffin Press, $12.95). >From Herb Alpert and Bob Dylan to Robbie Robertson and Warren Zevon, >"Jews Who >Rock" gives snapshot sketches of 100 chosen people of pop music. I always thought Robbie Robertson was Native American. Is this the same guy ex The Band? With a now successful solo career, especially here in Canada? Hmmm, well I guess he could be both! Ms. M. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "ah, music....a magic beyond all we do here!" Albus Dumbledore in 'Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone' *********** - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:19:39 +0000 From: James Hale Subject: Re: Robbie Robertson? Robbie Robertson's father was a Jewish gambler in Toronto. His mother is Mohawk from the Six Nations Reserve. James Hale perdida wrote: > Hi there! > > kurt gottschalk quoted from Oseary: > > > "Jews Who Rock" > >(St. Martin's Griffin Press, $12.95). > >From Herb Alpert and Bob Dylan to Robbie Robertson and Warren Zevon, > >"Jews Who > >Rock" gives snapshot sketches of 100 chosen people of pop music. > > I always thought Robbie Robertson was Native American. Is this the same > guy ex The Band? With a now successful solo career, especially here in > Canada? Hmmm, well I guess he could be both! > > Ms. M. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "ah, music....a magic beyond all we do here!" > > Albus Dumbledore in 'Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone' > > *********** > > > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:15:01 -0600 From: "Robert A. Pleshar" Subject: Re: Robbie Robertson? Which reminds me of the old vaudville joke about Native Americans being the lost tribe and one chief goes out on a buffalo hunt only to return empty handed exclaiming "I brought the milchig tomahawk!" Where is Zero Mostel when you need him? Ralph At 01:55 PM 11/28/00 -0500, perdida wrote: >I always thought Robbie Robertson was Native American. Is this the same >guy ex The Band? With a now successful solo career, especially here in >Canada? Hmmm, well I guess he could be both! >Ms. M. > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "ah, music....a magic beyond all we do here!" > > Albus Dumbledore in 'Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone' > > *********** > > > > >- > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:17:32 -0500 From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: Amazon's obnoxious pricing Hello Steve, As I know Amazon was "experimenting" (they called it so) with prices for DVDs only. And they stopped and promised not to do it again. What we all see now seems like normal "on sale"/"not on sale" thing which is going on almost every on-line store. I wonder how didn't you notice that before. All on-line stores are changing prices for different groups of goods especially around holidays convincing customers to buy more and more. For example CDNOW is sending me spam e-mails about all their sales and discounts. Their new practice includes decreasing CD's price by $0.5 and calling this discount. The other thing that they are doing is that every now and then they are announcing sale of items you have on your wish list so everybody except you should pay more. My favorite Music Boulevard, which was eaten by CDNOW with its excellent Jazz Central Station web site, used to publish lists of $9.99 CDs which were changing all the time. So this is really common behavior of on-line stores. Tuesday, November 28, 2000, you wrote to me: SS> CuneiWay@aol.com wrote: >> Steve wrote: >> >> >Everyone seems to be listing it under Stian Carstensen's name. >> >Amazon has it for $13.99: >> >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004RGPN/qid=975349431/sr=1-/102-664 >> >> 2104-8233754 >> >> Hmmm. I've read a few articles about Amazon having different pricing for >> different tiers of customers. >> SS> My apologies if it was indeed an error in reading on my part. Seems like a good SS> reason to shop at CDNow or elsewhere, anyway. And Barnes & Noble seems worth SS> avoiding altogether now. - -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:40:54 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: new derek bailey releases - --- Stefan Verstraeten wrote: > NP A new cassette-letter by Derek Bailey..... Say what? What is this? - ---s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:52:33 -0000 From: "Les Rhoda" Subject: Brahms/Ribot correction >esteemed session >guitarist **Marc Ribot** (who appears on two tracks) and others. > >[asterisks added] > > >Apparently Ms. Brahms knew a bassist who had worked with Ribot and just >cold-called him for the session. I learned from a mutual friend last night that Darien Brahms actually met Ribot 6 years ago when she lived in NYC, trying to make it as a singer/songwriter. She came close, but wouldn't bend to the marketing mechanisms at the major labels, i.e. appear more like a tramp than a chanteuse, modify and pop-ify her music in accordance with the whims of public 'taste', etc. so she came back to Maine. (Pardon if this is too tangential, but I know there are a few New Englanders out there that can dig.) Les p.s. To those of you who have inquired about where to buy her cd go to http://www.w2.com/bad.html _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:55:28 -0800 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: Amazon's obnoxious pricing I got $15.99 even when logging on after deleting the cookie. Once your web browser accepts their cookie, you have been cataloged, ranked, indexed, and numbered(apologies to Patrick McGoohan) Rich - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:34:41 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Brahms/Ribot correction On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:52:33 -0000 "Les Rhoda" wrote: > > I learned from a mutual friend last night that Darien Brahms actually met > Ribot 6 years ago when she lived in NYC, trying to make it as a > singer/songwriter. She came close, but wouldn't bend to the marketing > mechanisms at the major labels, i.e. appear more like a tramp than a > chanteuse, modify and pop-ify her music in accordance with the whims of > public 'taste', etc. so she came back to Maine. (Pardon if this is too You know, there are plenty of artists in NYC who do not compromise. You don't have to go back to Maine to keep your virginal integrity... Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:53:54 -0800 (PST) From: jason tors Subject: zorn ends masada there is a gig comming up for masada... JOHN ZORN'S MASADA [Quartet] - LAST GIG OF THE YEAR! At the Center For Jewish History, 15 W. 16th St., Manhattan NYC, on Sat. Dec.9th. Shows at 8 PM & 10 PM, $25 per set. Get your tickets now before the ads hit the papers 917-606-8200! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:01:48 +0800 From: "Rob, the Belgian Guy" Subject: Masada in Paris Can someone tell me exactly where Masada will play in Paris. Venue, Address, phone, etc ? thnx - rob - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:10:28 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: zorn ends masada On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:53:54 -0800 (PST) jason tors wrote: > > JOHN ZORN'S MASADA [Quartet] - LAST GIG OF THE YEAR! At the Center ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ We already had a big fear last year with Masada's last gig of the century. If we are lucky we might even get, next year, twelve Masada's last gig of the month!!! Nice to know that there is a lot of room left for being challenged. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:27:27 EST From: Knutboy@aol.com Subject: Re: Robbie Robertson? - --part1_5d.3e890e4.2755995f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robbies pops was a Jewish gangster, and his mother indeed indian. - --part1_5d.3e890e4.2755995f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robbies pops was a Jewish gangster, and his mother indeed indian. - --part1_5d.3e890e4.2755995f_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:49:08 +0100 From: "Steve Berman" Subject: Iranian music (Re: various) >>>>> "Brian" == Brian Olewnick writes: Brian> Toula Ballas wrote: [...] >> Lastly, can someone recommend some Iranian musicians or recordings. Brian> "Iran: Persian Classical Music" on Nonesuch, with Faramarz Payvar & Brian> Ensemble is a personal favorite of mine. I'd second this recommendation, though I have to say I'm not well-versed in Iranian music, having only two recordings. The other one, which I also like, is volume three of the five volume Radif series on the French al sur label, from 1994. Whereas the Nonesuch recording is fairly diverse, both in instrumentation and style, the al sur recording is part of an exhaustive documentation of the classical Persian melodic repertoire, performed on the setar (a four-stringed lute) by Dariush Tala'i. The CD booklet contains a fairly detailed explanation of the modal structure of the music. (I picked this CD up used and don't know if it's still in print.) - --Steve Berman - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:16:22 -0500 From: "Toula Ballas" Subject: Tiszji Munoz Greetings, This has probably been brough up previously but I heard tell of a new Tiszji Munoz cd with Mark Dresser, Marilyn Crispell and Henry Kaiser as ensemble members. Any info on Tiszji would be appreciated as I am fast developing an interest. Thanks Paul NP: Music of Islam Volume 2 Music of the South Sinai Bedouins (Celestial Harmonies) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:24:01 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Tiszji Munoz on 00.11.28 20:16, Toula Ballas at toulab@msn.com wrote: > a new Tiszji Munoz cd with Mark Dresser, Marilyn Crispell > and Henry Kaiser as ensemble members. Any info on Tiszji would be > appreciated as I am fast developing an interest. Here's the session info. http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/CRISPELL.disc.html#00.03.18 Marilyn sayeth he's a maniac, a free spirit, a wild-man. This is the first I've heard of him. Apparently he's recorded in the Woodstock area before. That's about all I have... R - ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. - --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things-- Time Stops--LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k UPDATE *June 25*, 2000: Vids, a few CDs, baseball books, misc. ***Very Various For Sale: *** http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/4SALE.html WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:37:31 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Tiszji Munoz Rick Lopez wrote: > on 00.11.28 20:16, Toula Ballas at toulab@msn.com wrote: > > > a new Tiszji Munoz cd with Mark Dresser, Marilyn Crispell > > and Henry Kaiser as ensemble members. Any info on Tiszji would be > > appreciated as I am fast developing an interest. > > Here's the session info. > > http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/CRISPELL.disc.html#00.03.18 > > Marilyn sayeth he's a maniac, a free spirit, a wild-man. This is the first > I've heard of him. Apparently he's recorded in the Woodstock area before. > > That's about all I have... Rick, you (and anyone else interested in more background on this artist) should proceed without delay to the article Kaiser wrote about Tisziji Munoz for Guitar Player in 1998: http://www.henrykaiser.net/suggests_munoz.html Additionally, Bruce Gallanter at Downtown Music Gallery is a HUGE fan and stocks all of the CDs. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:50:09 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: ennio morricone plus tidbits > Hi everyone - I'm fairly new to the list so forgive me if this has already > been discussed at length - I recently purchaed ennio morricone's "western > quintet" and LOVE it, I also own "mondo morricone" and the soundtracks to Once > upon a time in the west and fistful and for a few dollars more (all three are > on one CD). Where should I head next? What other morricone releases do > people on the list have that are so good that it makes them want to puke?!? Two of my favourite soundtracks by Morricone are 'Once Upon A Time In America' and 'Bird With The Crystal Plumage'. The former is quite varied, including some of his greatest soundtrack melodies alongside some New Orleans-style jazz. The latter is one of his horror scores for Dario Argento films, and most of it is also available on the 'Dario Argento Trilogy' cd. The 'Fistful Of Film Music' compilation on Rhino is a very good collection also, and contains a much more original selection than is usually found on a Morricone 'best-of' - there are many great tunes on there that aren't so readily available elsewhere... - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:45:03 +1030 From: "sinkas" Subject: Amazon et al Supporting your Local Record Store Hi all, I was thinking that in light of the nature of this list, which i would = consider to some degree "outsider" music, why is it that people appear = happy to support these huge web based record stores. I think for the most part the people who may most benefit form them are = those, who like me live outside the USA, I am wondering if the prices = are really any cheaper to the US comapre's as opposed to them buying = form thier local record store. I am also refferring to the non-massive chain record stores. I really like it when I can but a record directly form the artist, or = from the label (web of Mimicry et al) as I feel there is alt least a = chance the artist will see some benifit. Sure beat going to Virgin only to be told "We dont carrry any Tzadik = recrds", hhmm, i think you mean you dant carry any MUSIC. Im boring myself=20 SO to sum up, are people here pro -local record store, or not? Case NP: Aussie Death Metal Masters Volume 2 "Alma Matters" - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #181 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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