From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #187 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, December 5 2000 Volume 03 : Number 187 In this issue: - Looking for books Re: Looking for books Re: Looking for books tonight: ostertag and minton byg nyc/hi performances on a budget Re: nyc/hi performances on a budget Re: nyc/hi performances on a budget RE: Charly reissues Re: Looking for books INFINITY by Coltrane on Impulse! Japan? Re: INFINITY by Coltrane on Impulse! Japan? Fwd: Gabriel Garcia Marquez Infinity string charts Re: Infinity string charts RE: Gabriel Garcia Marquez ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:31:31 -0500 From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Looking for books Hello All, I just found two books at Barnes & Noble: "New Dutch Swing" and "The Essential Klezmer" which seem interesting. Does anybody know what other books have anything about creative music in general and John Zorn particularly? Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 23:59:52 -0500 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: Looking for books on 12/3/00 11:31 PM, Peter Gannushkin at shkin@shkin.com wrote: > Hello All, > > I just found two books at Barnes & Noble: "New Dutch Swing" and "The > Essential Klezmer" which seem interesting. > > Does anybody know what other books have anything about creative > music in general and John Zorn particularly? Get your hands on a copy of William Duckworth's "Talking Music." It has a long interview with Zorn. You might also find John Corbett's "Extended Play" interesting. - --Mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:59:23 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Looking for books - --- Peter Gannushkin wrote: > I just found two books at Barnes & Noble: "New > Dutch Swing" and "The > Essential Klezmer" which seem interesting. I saw Kevin Whitehead read from _New Dutch Swing_ when the book was just published, in Chicago; it was at the Empty Bottle Festival, and that year there were a number of visiting Dutch musicians featured. Whitehead is a pretty hilarious guy; I can't imagine an American better suited to chase the zany Dutch. (I do mean _certain_ zany Dutch, no offense to Dutch on list.) > Does anybody know what other books have anything > about creative > music in general and John Zorn particularly? I thought ARCANA was a fine read, almost quixotically heterogeneous, maybe a "manifesto", as one lister put it, but appropriately patchwork. No Zorn content, but I thought John Corbett's book EXTENDED PLAY (Duke Press) was pretty great, with a pretty wide-ranging annotated discography as a appendix, a long academic article making prominent use of theory, Evan Parker, and Milford Graves (where Corbett fails, IMHO, the effort is still interesting, and refreshingly heady); plus interviews with Ikue Mori, John Cage, Sun Ra, and other people. The book is over six years old now, and I wish Corbett had another already out. If you like theory, and if you like that aspect of Corbett, maybe you would like Jacques Attali's NOISE: THE POLITICAL ECONOMY OF MUSIC. I like this book, but many olks I know and respect find it to be poppycock and rot. What do listers think of David Toop's books? - ----s, zany american __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:14:26 +0100 (MET) From: zxmqq16@student.uni-tuebingen.de Subject: tonight: ostertag and minton Again a concert announcement for SOuthern GErmany: tonight Bob Ostertag and Phil Minton will play live at the Sudhaus in Tuebingen. The concert will start at 9 pm. hope some of you can make it there. Bjoern - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:54:43 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: byg In a message dated 12/3/00 8:36:13 PM, you wrote: <> i believe i saw some at kims st marks, also i think bruce at downtown music gallery still can get em. i was loathe to get the byg actual 3cd set as i have so much on it and wd prefer to save for full disc reissues, but who knows. there are 2cd reissues that came out this these, but for each 2cd set i already have one of em on vinyl; $25 is a lot to pay for a single, usually short album. i find a lot of sealed byg/charly Lps cheap on my visits to mexico city, the covers warped with shrinkwrap, but the discs not. steve koenig...np: the buzz of my computer telling me get back to work, boy. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:10:56 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: nyc/hi performances on a budget In a message dated 12/3/00 8:36:13 PM, you wrote: <> hi jon and all, I was going to copy this earlier so jon wouldn't have to. sounds great. also: those of you in/near new york should know what all events at XI, phill niblock's home-loft-performance space is wonderful, just a few blocks from roulette, and is still only $4.99 and they give you back the penny. istarted going there when it was only $1.99. still a bargain, at (arggh... i missplaced the URL). also, reminder, roulette is the other amazing great bargain, offering you $10 for single admission or the silly-not-to-get $60/annual membership which is free admission to all concerts, about 100 per year. also downtown music gallery offers free instore concerts every sunday at 7pm, and has included the likes of jon rose, chadbourne, both maneris, maz-connors, and others too numerous to mention, but also lots of folks with discs on tzadik and avant. also dont forget free concerts at mannes school of music and manhattan school of music, and juilliard. roulette.org; dtmggallery.com oh yeah... and jumps arts, pink pony & brecht forum :) steve koenig n.p.: the sound of my keybd clicking away at yaz - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:11:10 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: nyc/hi performances on a budget In a message dated 12/4/00 9:11:36 AM, Acousticlv@aol.com writes: << still a bargain, at (arggh... i missplaced the URL). >> the full December schedule is at: www.experimentalintermedia.org/concerts/00/december.shtml Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:18:07 -0500 From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Re: nyc/hi performances on a budget - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: nyc/hi performances on a budget > also: those of you in/near new york should know what all events at XI, > phill niblock's home-loft-performance space is wonderful, just a few > blocks from roulette, and is still only $4.99 and they give you back the > penny. > istarted going there when it was only $1.99. still a bargain, at (arggh... > i missplaced the URL). http://www.experimentalintermedia.org/ - -Jesse - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:52:27 -0600 From: "John Thomas" Subject: RE: Charly reissues > Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 05:09:11 -0000 > From: "Bill Ashline" [snip...on Charly reissues] > Does anyone know if they > are still > available anywhere and if so where? I've struck out > everywhere else so far. > Thanks in advance. > You could try 33 Degrees in Austin, TX. I bought a copy of the Art Ensemble disc there a few months back. I have no affiliation etc. etc. with the store except as a satisified customer. Good luck John - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:03:33 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Looking for books At 9:59 PM 12/3/00, Scott Handley wrote: > >What do listers think of David Toop's books? > I really like "Ocean of Sound", it ties a lot of threads together in very interesting ways. I liked "Exotica" a lot less. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:42:43 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: INFINITY by Coltrane on Impulse! Japan? I was surprised to see INFINITY by Coltrane in the import section of Tower Records. The record is on Impulse! Japan and it is the first time that I hear about it. Does anybody have comments/advices concerning it? Thanks, Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 18:48:43 -0500 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: INFINITY by Coltrane on Impulse! Japan? Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > I was surprised to see INFINITY by Coltrane in the import section of > Tower Records. The record is on Impulse! Japan and it is the first time that > I hear about it. Does anybody have comments/advices concerning it? I have the Impulse LP. The original recordings were done in 1966, but Alice Coltrane added string arrangements in 1972. The result is a little odd, imho, but not entirely unpleasant. Interesting to note that Charlie Haden plays on three of the four (original) tracks. It's worth having for lovers of late Coltrane, though not quite ont he order of things like 'Live in Japan', again imho. Brian Olewnick NP: Barry Guy/LJCO -- Portraits - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:03:28 -0000 From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: Fwd: Gabriel Garcia Marquez I thought I would pass this on to our fine list, though it is clearly off-topic. I simply thought that a number of people here might be interested to know. Cheers.... >Gabriel Garcia Marquez* has retired from public life due to > > health reasons: cancer of the lymph nodes. It seems that it is > > getting worse. He has sent this farewell letter to his friends, > > which has been translated and posted on the Internet. Please > > read and forward to any who might enjoy it. This is possibly, > > sadly, one of the last gifts to humanity from a true master. > > This short text, written by one of the most brilliant Latin > > Americans in recent times, is truly moving. > > _______________ > > If for an instant God were to forget that I am rag doll and gifted > > me with a piece of life, possibly I wouldn't say all that I think, but > > rather I would think of all that I say. I would value things, not > > for their worth but for what they mean. I would sleep little, dream > > more, understanding that for each minute we close our eyes we lose > > sixty seconds of light. > > > > I would walk when others hold back, I would wake when others > > sleep. I would listen when others talk, and how I would enjoy a > > good chocolate ice cream! If God were to give me a piece of life, > > I would dress simply, throw myself face first into the sun, baring > > not only my body but also my soul. My God, if I had a heart, I > > would write my hate on ice, and wait for the sun to show. Over > > the stars I would paint with a Van Gogh dream a Benedetti poem, > > and a Serrat song would be the serenade I'd offer to the moon. > > With my tears I would water roses, to feel the pain of their thorns, > > and the red kiss of their petals... > > > > My god, if I had a piece of life... I wouldn't let a single day pass > > without telling the people I love that I love them. I would convince > > each woman and each man that they are my favorites, and I would > > live in love with love. I would show men how very wrong they are > > to think that they cease to be in love when they grow old, not > > knowing that they grow old when they cease to be in love! To a > > child I shall give wings, but I shall let him learn to fly on his own. > > I would teach the old that death does not come with old age, but > > with forgetting. So much have I learned from you, oh men... > > > > I have learned that everyone wants to live on the peak of the > > mountain, without knowing that real happiness is in how it is > > scaled. I have learned that when a newborn child squeezes for the > > first time with his tiny fist his father's finger, he has him trapped > > forever. I have learned that a man has the right to look down on > > another only when he has to help the other get to his feet. From > > you I have learned so many things, but in truth they won't be of > > much use, for when I keep them within this suitcase, unhappily > > shall I be dying. > > > > GABRIEL GARCIA MARQUEZ > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:43:07 -0600 From: Moudry Subject: Infinity string charts At 18:48 04-12-00 -0500, Brian O. wrote: Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > I was surprised to see INFINITY by Coltrane in the import section of > Tower Records. The record is on Impulse! Japan and it is the first time that > I hear about it. Does anybody have comments/advices concerning it? I have the Impulse LP. The original recordings were done in 1966, but Alice Coltrane added string arrangements in 1972. The result is a little odd, imho, but not entirely unpleasant. Interesting to note that Charlie Haden plays on three of the four (original) tracks. It's worth having for lovers of late Coltrane, though not quite ont he order of things like 'Live in Japan', again imho. Brian Olewnick ================ From an admittedly faulty organic memorybank: didn't Ornette Coleman actually do the string charts for the hybred Alice Coltrane tracks on the original (vinyl) release of Infinity? I've never been able to determine if 'Nette did all of the string arrangements or took sketches from Alice and actualised them for the add-on recordings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Saturnally, Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:13:30 -0500 From: "George Scala" Subject: Re: Infinity string charts Joe, I think you have "Infinity" confused with Alice Coltrane's "Universal Consciousness", where Ornette is credited with "transcription". Also on "Infinity", Jimmy Garrison's original bass part was accidentally erased, that's why Charlie Haden recorded another bass part in 1972. George Scala http://www.mindspring.com/~scala - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moudry" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Infinity string charts > At 18:48 04-12-00 -0500, Brian O. wrote: > Patrice L. Roussel wrote: > > > > I was surprised to see INFINITY by Coltrane in the import section of > > Tower Records. The record is on Impulse! Japan and it is the first time that > > I hear about it. Does anybody have comments/advices concerning it? > > I have the Impulse LP. The original recordings were done in 1966, but > Alice Coltrane added string arrangements in 1972. The result is a little > odd, imho, but not entirely unpleasant. Interesting to note that Charlie > Haden plays on three of the four (original) tracks. It's worth having > for lovers of late Coltrane, though not quite ont he order of things > like 'Live in Japan', again imho. > > Brian Olewnick > > ================ > > From an admittedly faulty organic memorybank: didn't Ornette Coleman > actually do the string charts for the hybred Alice Coltrane tracks on the > original (vinyl) release of Infinity? I've never been able to determine if > 'Nette did all of the string arrangements or took sketches from Alice and > actualised them for the add-on recordings. Any information would be greatly > appreciated. > > Saturnally, > Joe Moudry > Office of Academic Computing & Technology > School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham > > Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): > > Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio: > WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham > WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama > WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:22:48 +0100 From: "Diego Gruber" Subject: RE: Gabriel Garcia Marquez Unfortunately I don't have the time to translate the article where Garcia Marquez denies the authenticity of this text, it states that it was in fact written by a mexican ventriloquist called Johnny Welch. I'll just paste the article in Spanish, sorry for those who won't understand but the main point is summarized on the lines above (and i agree it's off topic, but i guess it had to be cleared): La falsa despedida de García Márquez En Internet circula un poema atribuido al escritor colombiano, quien negó su autoría. Es, en realidad, de un cómico mexicano "Si por un instante Dios se olvidara de que soy una marioneta de trapo y me regalara un trozo de vida, posiblemente no diría todo lo que pienso, pero en definitiva, pensaría todo lo que digo". El fragmento es parte de un poema que circula en Internet, y que en los últimos días publicaron varios medios mexicanos, atribuyéndoselo al escritor colombiano Gabriel García Márquez (73). Según esos medios, García Márquez había elegido esas palabras para despedirse de sus amigos, ante el avance de su enfermedad, un cáncer linfático por el cual está en tratamiento desde hace más de un año. "Lo que me puede matar es la vergüenza de que alguien crea que de verdad fui yo quien escribió una cosa tan cursi", dijo el escritor desde Los Angeles, cuando se enteró de la noticia. Explicó que está muy bien de salud, a punto de terminar el primer tomo de sus memorias y dispuesto a retomar su vida normal. García Márquez se instaló hace unos meses en esa ciudad, junto a su mujer, su hijo y sus nietos, para poder completar su tratamiento. Enseguida se supo la verdad: el poema, que circulaba con el título "La marioneta", fue escrito por el cómico, imitador y ventrílocuo mexicano Johnny Welch. Su título original es "Si yo tuviera vida", y fue publicado en un libro de su autoría, en 1996: "Lo que me ha enseñado la vida". En 1986, cuando Jorge Luis Borges estaba gravemente enfermo, se le había atribuido un poema parecido. Según comentó el Nobel colombiano, en aquella oportunidad, María Kodama, su mujer, había dicho que si Borges hubiera escrito una cosa así, jamás se hubiera casado con él. El ventrílocuo mexicano, autor del poema, se lamentó por las declaraciones de García Márquez. "Respeto su opinión y es muy válida. Yo no soy un letrado, ni una persona que ha estudiado filosofía y letras, soy un ser humano con la necesidad de comunicar lo que siente; no sé si lo hago bien o mal, lo hago con corazón", dijo Welch a medios mexicanos. Welch dijo también que desconocía cómo su poema había comenzado a circular por Internet. Explicó que lo había presentado por primera vez en un programa de televisión chileno, conducido por el popular animador Don Francisco, y que luego lo había leído en un programa de variedades mexicano. Según él, el poema fue escrito "con la colaboración" de su muñeco de trapo", "El Mofles", con quien realiza sus espectáculos de ventriloquia. Lejos de pensar en despedidas, García Márquez festejó el 30 de mayo los 33 años de su novela "Cien años de soledad", que lo hizo famoso. > >Gabriel Garcia Marquez* has retired from public life due to > > > health reasons: cancer of the lymph nodes. It seems that it is > > > getting worse. He has sent this farewell letter to his friends, > > > which has been translated and posted on the Internet. Please > > > read and forward to any who might enjoy it. This is possibly, > > > sadly, one of the last gifts to humanity from a true master. > > > This short text, written by one of the most brilliant Latin > > > Americans in recent times, is truly moving. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #187 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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