From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #195 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, December 12 2000 Volume 03 : Number 195 In this issue: - Re: bwitched Re: bwitched Hijokaidan merzbow Re: Hijokaidan merzbow Re: Hijokaidan merzbow Re: Hijokaidan merzbow Re: french pop Re: bwitched Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" New Masada? pain pen & banjo players Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" bill laswell Re: french pop Re: bill laswell Re[2]: bill laswell Re: bill laswell Operazone/Don Byron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:26:37 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: bwitched In a message dated 12/11/00 9:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, zxmqq16@student.uni-tuebingen.de writes: << dont know if that has been discussed here before.... there is this zorn-interview (not really an interview) on the b-witched page (irish girl group) saying that zorn might produce their next album... probably this is a joke and i dont get it due to my language limitations. could someone tell me what this is all about: >> It is definitely a joke. Zorn commits suicide at the end of the interview. Tom - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:30:40 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: bwitched Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > It is definitely a joke. Zorn commits suicide at the end of the interview. > > Tom > > - it even says at the very end: "this interview has been falsified for the sake of unbelievers" - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:42:45 -0600 From: "samuel yrui" Subject: Hijokaidan merzbow how do you pronounce it and what's it mean? Thanks. i am considering Ferocity of Practical Life on Fourth Dimension with Masami Akita on drums. has anyone heard Mr. Akita on drums and is it interesting? why don't Hijokaidan on noise electronics, merzbow on drums, and me on saxophone exist on a recording?! dammit. -samuel(who speaks like an idiot often) _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:09:36 -0500 From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet) Subject: Re: Hijokaidan merzbow At 09:42 AM 12/11/00 -0600, "samuel yrui" wrote: > i am considering Ferocity of Practical Life on Fourth Dimension with > Masami Akita on drums. has anyone heard Mr. Akita on drums and is it > interesting? DEUS IRAE (MERZBOW & NULL Production NUX ORGANIZATION, 1984) counts mr. merzbow on drums and kazuyuki k. null on guitar, for the main part. The most interesting thing is that this meeting of two noise persons results in what is perhaps their only non-noise cd. It's a long improv. They seem to look for each other (read: it sucks) for the first half. Full spec.: Masami AKITA Drums, Sound Effects Reiko AZUMA Cymbals Yushi OKANO Electric Vioin Asami HAYASHI Bass Kazuyuki K. NULL Guitar, Voice, Metalophone - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:17:32 -0800 (PST) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Hijokaidan merzbow hee'joe-kai'dan = fire escape (fire exit) On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, samuel yrui wrote: > how do you pronounce it and what's it mean? Thanks. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:19:44 -0800 (PST) From: SUGAR in their vitamins? Subject: Re: Hijokaidan merzbow on the other hand... flying testicle is completely far-flung and brilliant! masami akita - electronix, samples, drums, guitars, bass, beats maso yamazaki - screams, guitars, violin, casio, percussion zev asher - voices, sing, bass, tapes, toy yeah. On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Benjamin Pequet wrote: > It's a long improv. They seem to look for each other (read: it sucks) for Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:02:14 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: french pop On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:39:43 -0800 Radio Khartoum wrote: > > Bertrand Burgalat > Ignatus > Katerine > Toog/Gilles Weinzaepflen > Julien Ribot > Dominique A > Etienne Charry > Mr. Quark > Savel > Gypsophile > Essiar > Watoo Watoo > Shop And no Jean-Louis Murat? Patrice. > Disclaimer: the last four have or will release records on RK. I was > going to leave Watoo Watoo out as too wimpy for the Zorn list, but if > you can handle Claudine, you can handle anything... Great! Looking forward for them. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:07:40 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: bwitched On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:26:37 EST Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/11/00 9:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > zxmqq16@student.uni-tuebingen.de writes: > > It is definitely a joke. Zorn commits suicide at the end of the interview. Are you sure? I heard that Jim O'Rourke was producing the solo project of Baby Spice. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:39:32 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" Julian wrote: > << Does anyone know where I can get this, as none of the big net retialers > seem to stock it, > is it a bootleg?? >> > > It was actually released in 96 on the 'Rabid Dog Inoculator' label (unless > there was a 99 reissue?). It's very noisy and experimental, much more so > even than 7 NADEs, and in my opinion, it is not really essential Kang, but > you may disagree, especially if you are into his most noisy/messy side. I > don't remember where I got it but I think it may have been Aquarius Records. And if you're truly a completist, you'll want to look around for the limited edition 7" single that preceded it, "Driftwood & Dreams" / "Universal Indians" (Rabid Dog Inoculator, catalog number Intifada-1, released 1995). Did anyone hear Eyvind's string project dedicated to Leonard Peltier last night at Tonic? I'd considered catching the second set, but Tony Malaby at the Knit got off to a late start... Interesting lineup with Charlie Burnham, Skuli Sverrisson, Kato Hideki, etc. SS - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:05:09 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:40:51 +1030 "sinkas" wrote: > > Hi all, > Ive been a fan of Eyvinds work for a while and I thought I had all his work, until I came across this title, at CDDB, alas It didnt give a recording lable or anythig, with the exception of a march 99 release date. > > Does anyone know where I can get this, as none of the big net retialers seem to stock it, > > is it a bootleg?? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - SWEETNESS OF SICKNESS: Eyvind Kang 1996 (1997?) - Rabid God Inoculator (USA), RGI 004 (CD) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I saw the record in a store in January 1997 (hence the doubt about the release year). The label (from Seattle) does not exist anymore. They had in plans to put out a live concert of AMM but they put the key under the door before. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:06:12 -0500 From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: New Masada? Hello All, Masada played new songs on Saturday night concert. Does it mean that Zorn is going to make a new studio recording or not? - -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:12:10 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: pain pen & banjo players i asked eugene who on 'pain pen' has played with pauline oliveros (since the question came up here). he responded: >>>I know I have NOT played with her but don't know about the rest of them. Glad you liked Pain Pen, you should harass the label and get them to release the second volume! also asked him about banjo players (having recently bought a 4-string myself). here's his suggestions, not too surprising, if anyone's interested: >>>for old time banjo I like Roscoe Holcomb and Lily May Ledford and don't forget Flatt And Scruggs, that will make you want to trade in that there emasculated four string you got ....happy tango! cheers. kg np: yoko ono/ima - rising mixes - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:55:26 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Berne/Gibbs/Ducret/Taborn/Rainey Peter Gannushkin wrote: > Thanks a lot. I completely forgot about this web site. Actually they > have also special CyberMusic Surplus > (http://www.cybermusicsurplus.com/) site with many CDs on sale. The > prices are at least twice lower than on the main Allegro site. Both > Label Bleu Ducret's albums are there. Good Lord! I just took a glance at this site. Just one page into the catalog and I know I'm in trouble... they've got tons of Black Saint and Soul Note CDs priced at $6.39 apiece, for example. I know I'm going to regret seeing this, but thanks for pointing it out all the same... ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:21:25 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Eyvind Kang "Sweetness of Sickness" In a message dated 12/11/00 9:01:08 AM, jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au writes: << Does anyone know where I can get this, as none of the big net retialers seem to stock it, is it a bootleg?? >> you could try Bruce Gallanter at DMG, since I sold him my copy last week. Jon (just in the door from Austria, and already posting) www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:29:38 EST From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: bill laswell - --part1_28.e534c14.2766e792_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey-- i know there is a die-hard Bill Laswell fan on this list, so this letter goes out to you: i want to delve into the wonderful world of Bill Laswell, but I am unsure where to start. i have heard little of his music. please inform me of good starting places..and please, pick records that are easily obtained. i hate always searching for incredibly rare records that turn out to be horrible. thanks ben o - --part1_28.e534c14.2766e792_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey--
i know there is a die-hard Bill Laswell fan on this list, so this letter goes
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i want to delve into the wonderful world of Bill Laswell, but I am unsure
where to start.
i have heard little of his music.
please inform me of good starting places..and please, pick records that are
easily obtained.
i hate always searching for incredibly rare records that turn out to be
horrible.

thanks

ben o - --part1_28.e534c14.2766e792_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:45:49 -0500 From: Mathieu Belanger Subject: Re: french pop Hello, >And no Jean-Louis Murat? Wait a minute... this has got the be the last place where I was expecting this name to be mentionned! I can only second the recommandation. One of my favorite French "music maker". And Ribot, Baptista, Medeski, Gibbs and a few others played on his last studio album. Let me also suggest "Fantaisie militaire" by Alain Bashung. In my opinion, it is his best album and one of the best I bought since its release in 1998. Of course, it is different than... let's say Merzbow but that's another story! Tschuss, Mathieu - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:10:58 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: bill laswell >hey-- >i know there is a die-hard Bill Laswell fan on this list, so this letter goes >out to you: > >i want to delve into the wonderful world of Bill Laswell, but I am unsure >where to start. >i have heard little of his music. >please inform me of good starting places..and please, pick records that are >easily obtained. >i hate always searching for incredibly rare records that turn out to be >horrible. > >thanks > Tabla Beat Science: Tala Matrix. Mostly Zakir Hussain playing some absolutely jaw-dropping tabla against some fairly subtle electronics/dub from Laswell. Also features Talvin Singh and others. Material: Intonarumori. One of the best-sounding hip-hop discs ever. Bill Laswell: Permutations. This is pretty recent, was easily orderable at least a month ago. A more "typical" Laswell production, if you dig this, you'll probably end up buying far too many of his cd's. Sigh. Painkiller: Anything really, either you'll like it or hate it. Panthalassa: his Miles-remix project. Probably the best electric-Miles greatest hits package. Easily-available discs to [probably] avoid: Operazone: String-arrangements of well-known opera themes over "lite" hip-hop beats, with some surprisingly beautiful soloing by Byard Lancaster and Graham Haynes. Incredibly well-recorded, but the content is barely above easy-listening. I really can't tell if this was intended to be a joke or not. I can't remember the title, but Laswell's Celtic remix project (Emerald-something, I think). Far too silly, you've got to wonder what he was thinking. Jazzonia: I hope this is out of print, but thought I'd warn you just in case. Jazz-scat singing, again over hip-hop lite. Really embarassing. These three discs make it really hard to justify my fandom. ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus- ____________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:51:35 -0500 From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re[2]: bill laswell Hello Dave, That's really amazing how different the opinion and knowledge can be. From he list you recommended I know Painkiller and Panthalassa and would not recommend them as first Laswell CDs at all. They are probably on the top of Laswell's works but not for to begin with, I think. At the same time I can say that Operazone is probably not so good, although it was interesting to hear it live this summer. But I definitely like Jazzonia. Yes, it is some "lite" hip-hop and R&B, but who said that it supposed to be serious music? It is just very relaxing and well done easy-listening album. Here are my recommendations: 1. Axiom Ambient "Lost in the Translation" - a collection of slow tunes with several Laswell collaborators like Worrel, Buckethead, Sanders and Skopelitis. 2. Praxis "Transmutation" - best album of the the group with Buckethead, Collins, Worrel and brain. I like it even better than "Sacrifist" with Zorn. Hard to classify it as they are playing almost all styles Laswell is exploring. 3. Arcana "Arc of Testimony" - kind of fusion with last Tony Williams recordings on drums. 4. Material "Seven Souls" - Burroughs readings with spacey beats by Laswell, Shankar, Wobble and others in the background. 5. Sacred System "Book of Entrance" - dub mixes. 6. Bob Marley "Dreams of Freedom" - dub remixes of Marley almost without vocals. Tuesday, December 12, 2000, you wrote to me: >>i want to delve into the wonderful world of Bill Laswell, but I am >>unsure where to start. i have heard little of his music. please >>inform me of good starting places..and please, pick records that are >>easily obtained. i hate always searching for incredibly rare records >>that turn out to be horrible. DT> Tabla Beat Science: Tala Matrix. DT> Material: Intonarumori. DT> Bill Laswell: Permutations. DT> Painkiller: Anything really, either you'll like it or hate it. DT> Panthalassa: his Miles-remix project. DT> Easily-available discs to [probably] avoid: DT> Operazone: DT> Jazzonia: - -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:10:28 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: bill laswell Dave Trenkel wrote: > Panthalassa: his Miles-remix project. Probably the best electric-Miles > greatest hits package. A damn fine intro to this world which will leave most open minded listeners wanting more electric Miles, agreed. > Easily-available discs to [probably] avoid: > Operazone: String-arrangements of well-known opera themes over "lite" > hip-hop beats, with some surprisingly beautiful soloing by Byard Lancaster > and Graham Haynes. Oddly enough, your descriptions of the contributions of Lancaster and Haynes have actually made me *want* to hear this for the first time... given my own straight classical training, I thought this was a heinous idea from the moment I first heard about it and avoided it like syphilis, but you leave me wondering if there's some redeeming value... those arias ARE great tunes, after all. (I haven't yet heard Don Byron's recent take on this stuff either...) > I can't remember the title, but Laswell's Celtic remix project > (Emerald-something, I think). Far too silly, you've got to wonder what he > was thinking. 'Emerald Aether: Shape Shifting' on the Shanachie label. And you needn't wonder what he was thinking, more like what he was getting *paid* to do it. I actually kind of find this to be rather daffy fun, though certainly disposable; in fact, I'll freely confess that I listened to it only after trying to sell my promo copy to a bunch of secondhand stores and having them all turn me down! But, having listened, I have to say that I find it tuneful and pleasantly amusing. Maybe this is my personal by-product of having worked with the dictatorial Paddy Moloney of the Chieftains, secretly enjoying the cosmic slop Laswell applies to this trad Celt stuff... Still, I agree, it's lightweight stuff: pretty much "by the numbers" Laswell mixology, which should only be pursued by the most dedicated. Better to hope that the real reason Laswell was in touch with Shanachie - access to their Yazoo label's Blind Willie recordings for yet another remix project - ultimately pays off in the end. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:55:41 -0500 From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Operazone/Don Byron Hello Steve, Tuesday, December 12, 2000, you wrote to me: >> Easily-available discs to [probably] avoid: >> Operazone: String-arrangements of well-known opera themes over "lite" >> hip-hop beats, with some surprisingly beautiful soloing by Byard Lancaster >> and Graham Haynes. SS> Oddly enough, your descriptions of the contributions of Lancaster and Haynes have SS> actually made me *want* to hear this for the first time... given my own straight SS> classical training, I thought this was a heinous idea from the moment I first SS> heard about it and avoided it like syphilis, but you leave me wondering if SS> there's some redeeming value... those arias ARE great tunes, after all. They are great and they are not made so badly as you can imagine. But although Haynes, Lancaster and Karl Berger put some interesting stuff in this recording the whole concept with drum machines and very sweet arrangements makes it sappy. It is almost not changing through the whole album too. Berger showed it live with Peter Apfelbaum instead of Lancaster, with only Haynes from original line-up. There were a real tabla player and Hamid Drake on drums. That was much more interesting than original CD. It is sad that they didn't record that concert instead. SS> (I haven't yet heard Don Byron's recent take on this stuff SS> either...) This one is different. First of all, it has all kinds of tunes from Puccini, Chopin and Schumann to Ornette Coleman to Orbison and Mancini. The most classical ones have Byron on clarinets and Uri Caine on piano only. The idea is to proof that Roy Orbison's "It's Over" is the greatest aria. That's why the closest to classical music tunes are Leonard Bernstein's "Glitter and Be Gay" and Stevie Wonder's "Creepin'". Don't want to say anything about this concept but the album is beautiful. - -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #195 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com