From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #218 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, December 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 218 In this issue: - xu feng recording date RE: Favorites of 2000 RE: xu feng recording date Roxy Music Re: Roxy Music Re: Roxy Music Re: Roxy Music Re: Roxy Music Re: Joe Meek Re: Joe Meek, Roxy Music, and Eno Re: Roxy Music Re: Favorites of 2000 Re: Roxy Music Re: Roxy Music ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:14:27 -0500 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: xu feng recording date Does the CD for "Xu Feng" omit the recording date or am I just spacing out? There's an "August 4, 1985" tucked under the jewel case inside but that's apparently a composition date. LT - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:26:29 -0700 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: Favorites of 2000 >Did anyone else hear "Comedy"? I listened to the first track of someone else's copy. I still listen to "second" however. The long bookend tracks are excellent but the 2-3 min mid-track seems a bit...it gives the whole album the feel of working outside under the hot sun all morning and heading to one of those walk in freezers for lunch and then resuming work from a slightly different (afternoon?) type perspective. So, nevermind, I guess I like the whole thing. FWIW - there are some recordings which don't demand my full attention for enjoyment. This one does. I find that if I try to do anything else while this recording is playing then I am often compelled to turn it off. Matt Wirzbicki - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:58:25 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: xu feng recording date The date is in the CD booklet, right there when you open the CD box (that would be the back of the booklet). You have the lineup and then the next line says: recorded at DIFFERENT FUR, SF 5/28/00 Neil H. Enet - ------------ NP. CIBO MATTO viva! la woman - -----Original Message----- Subject: xu feng recording date Does the CD for "Xu Feng" omit the recording date or am I just spacing out? There's an "August 4, 1985" tucked under the jewel case inside but that's apparently a composition date. LT - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:58:23 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: Roxy Music I just purchased ROXY MUSIC's self-titled debut and I was pretty surprised when I heard the first track RE-MAKE/RE-MODEL which has a very "avant-pop" dwelling between the guitar and the sax, it's pretty good. Anybody know if other ROXY MUSIC album are like this? Or any other "pop" album with this type of playing? OH, another thing ... I just found out (haven't heard) of a group called CALLA which are supposed to play somekind of AVANT-ROCKABILLY. Anybody have any info on this band? Thanx Neil H. Enet - ------------ NP. CIBO MATTO viva! la woman - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:00:25 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Roxy Music In a message dated 12/28/00 1:57:00 PM, nilugo@usa.net writes: << I just purchased ROXY MUSIC's self-titled debut and I was pretty surprised when I heard the first track RE-MAKE/RE-MODEL which has a very "avant-pop" dwelling between the guitar and the sax, it's pretty good. Anybody know if other ROXY MUSIC album are like this? Or any other "pop" album with this type of playing? >> the second one, For Your Pleasure, is the only other one with Brian Eno on it, and is my favorite one from start to finish. you also should check out the first two solo Eno CDs, Here Come The Warm Jets and Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy, and the superb "supergroup" on 801 Live. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:57:45 -0800 From: Tosh Subject: Re: Roxy Music I too want to add my thoughts on the early Roxy Music stuff. It is simply fantastic and you should also get the first two Eno albums. As of CALLA, I haven't heard them, but by the description they sound promising. Oh on a Roxy Music note, you may want to check out some of the Joe Meek recordings. Maybe the first 'space-age avant' rock record maker. Meek was a total out there British independent record producer from the very late 50's to the time of his death in 1967. Electronics with twangy guitars via his big hit with the Tornandos 'Telestar.' My personal favorite of his recordings is The Honeycombs 'Have I the Right.' - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:21:39 EST From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: Roxy Music - --part1_51.5685173.277cfad3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/00 1:57:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, nilugo@usa.net writes: > I just purchased ROXY MUSIC's self-titled debut and I was pretty surprised > when I heard the first track RE-MAKE/RE-MODEL which has a very "avant-pop" > dwelling between the guitar and the sax, it's pretty good. Anybody know if > other ROXY MUSIC album are like this? Or any other "pop" album with this > type of playing? > While the first, self-titled Roxy Music album is probably the most eccentric of the batch, I've always thought the first five - Roxy Music, For Your Pleasure, Stranded, Country Life, and Siren - were really indispensable. For my tastes, and this may get a bit long-winded, but here goes - The self-titled album has always sounded to me like the band trying to find themselves and what they do best. This all came together on For Your Pleasure; dark, mysterious, weird, and haunting, and pushing "pop songs" probably as far as they could go. On Stranded, former Frank Zappa band member Eddie Jobson replaced Eno, and while a lot of the eccentricities left with Eno, Jobson's frequent violin parts add a different dark texture to a lot of the material. Country Life refined all of this again - there's still a definite, distinct style that to me no one else has ever approached, but the songs are shorter and in a somewhat more "traditional" style of writing. Its still very dark and haunting though, Lots of minor keys, drones, and a sense of longing in both the music and lyrics, even in the most upbeat, last track, Prairie Rose - which to me is still a real gem. By the time of Siren in 1975, the band reached their popular success and was having a lot of internal stress at the same time. Siren was yet more polished and streamlined, which most likely is part of the reason it yielded two hit singles - Love Is the Drug and Both Ends Burning. After that, I really lost interest - there was a 3-year silence until the release of Manifesto, and at this point, it became more obvious that Roxy was reduced to the core of Ferry, Manzanera and MacKay, plus hired guns; and the albums became increasingly interchangeable with Bryan Ferry's solo records. But boy, especially For Your Pleasure through Siren...I go back to those regularly and still find them well-worth the time invested. If you want to get into the Eno catalog, I can go into that even MORE! Dale. - --part1_51.5685173.277cfad3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/00 1:57:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, nilugo@usa.net
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I just purchased ROXY MUSIC's self-titled debut and I was pretty surprised
when I heard the first track RE-MAKE/RE-MODEL which has a very "avant-pop"
dwelling between the guitar and the sax, it's pretty good.  Anybody know if
other ROXY MUSIC album are like this?  Or any other "pop" album with this
type of playing?

While the first, self-titled Roxy Music album is probably the most eccentric
of the batch, I've always thought the first five - Roxy Music, For Your
Pleasure, Stranded, Country Life, and Siren - were really indispensable. For
my tastes, and this may get a bit long-winded, but here goes - The
self-titled album has always sounded to me like the band trying to find
themselves and what they do best. This all came together on For Your
Pleasure; dark, mysterious, weird, and haunting, and pushing "pop songs"
probably as far as they could go. On Stranded, former Frank Zappa band member
Eddie Jobson replaced Eno, and while a lot of the eccentricities left with
Eno, Jobson's frequent violin parts add a different dark texture to a lot of
the material. Country Life refined all of this again - there's still a
definite, distinct style that to me no one else h! as ever approached, but the
songs are shorter and in a somewhat more "traditional" style of writing. Its
still very dark and haunting though, Lots of minor keys, drones, and a sense
of longing in both the music and lyrics, even in the most upbeat, last track,
Prairie Rose - which to me is still a real gem. By the time of Siren in 1975,
the band reached their popular success and was having a lot of internal
stress at the same time. Siren was yet more polished and streamlined, which
most likely is part of the reason it yielded two hit singles - Love Is the
Drug and Both Ends Burning. After that, I really lost interest - there was a
3-year silence until the release of Manifesto, and at this point, it became
more obvious that Roxy was reduced to the core of Ferry, Manzanera and
MacKay, plus hired guns; and the albums became increasingly interchangeable
with Bryan Ferry's solo records. But boy, especially For Your Pleasure
through! Siren...I go back to those regularly and still find them well-worth
the time invested.

If you want to get into the Eno catalog, I can go into that even MORE! <G>

Dale.
- --part1_51.5685173.277cfad3_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:53:50 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Roxy Music - --- TagYrIt@aol.com wrote: > If you want to get into the Eno catalog, I can go > into that even MORE! I for one would be interested to hear opinions and estimations of Eno's work. I've heard so little, but I had a great experience not even a month ago with WARM JETS. If this isn't Eno "best" work, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to start buying again. I can't believe it's taken me so long to find this record....where have I been? From the first warbly texture-guitar riff I knew I was back to the future: five second into the record and I know where My Bloody Valentine's LOVELESS came from. Same with Can and Faust---last year's interest in "post-rock" seems ill-placed now. "Post", indeed. Go home, Tortoise. - ----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:24:16 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Joe Meek Yeah, But he didn't use (and abuse jazz musicians) the way his American "competitor" Phil Spector did, though. Look at the collective personnel for some of those Philles sessions -- Shelly Manne, Dennis Budimer, Ray Brown, Conte Condoli, Barney Kessel et. al. At least they probably got the $$ from that to play their own gigs. And I'd certainly stack up "River Depp and Moutain High" and "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" against "Have I The Right" any day. Meek sure did check out in an interesting way though. Ken Waxman (N.P. Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus) - --- Tosh wrote: > > Oh on a Roxy Music note, you may want to check out > some of the Joe Meek recordings. Maybe the first 'space-age avant' rock record maker. Meek was a total out there British independent record producer from the very late 50's to the time of his death in 1967. Electronics with twangy guitarsvia his big hit with the Tornandos 'Telestar.' My personal favorite of > his recordings is The Honeycombs 'Have I the Right.' _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:00:02 -0800 From: Tosh Subject: Re: Joe Meek, Roxy Music, and Eno Oh, I think Spector is great, but Meek is really unusual. And perhaps my fascination with Meek is very 'subjective' type of taste: but worth checking out. And yes Meek did have an 'interesting' lifestyle. But for hardcore fans of the first Roxy Music album, I would suggest checking out Joe Meek recordings. For those who want recommendations (and some Meek is horrible) do write. On the subject matter of Eno, I am a huge fan of his first three solo albums. But I got tired of his pretentiousness with respect to his later art and productions. Plus reading his diary (put out a couple a years ago) was a big turn-off. I think Zorn is a much better artist than Eno. Although I am a fan of Eno's work with Bowie - including Bowie's 'Outside' album. I find Zorn fun, and Eno kind of serious in a very un-humorous style. In a nutshell, Eno was a major force in pop music, but I think he lost the pilot in his later work. - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:05:43 -0500 From: Rich Williams Subject: Re: Roxy Music > >I for one would be interested to hear opinions and >estimations of Eno's work. I've heard so little, but >I had a great experience not even a month ago with >WARM JETS. If this isn't Eno "best" work, then I'm >afraid I'm going to have to start buying again. If you like Warm Jets then you'll also like Taking Tiger Mountain, both concentrate on the avant-pop song form. My favorite is still Another Green World which is a bit more on the instrumental side with some pieces that foreshadow the ambient thing., Plus, it contains what is arguably some of the finest playing on record by Robert Fripp, Percy Jones and (believe it or not)Phil Collins. Also worth checking out are Before and After Science, and his collaboration with John Cale; "Wrong Way Up". And if you're on a serious British avant-pop bent, try to dig up some of the early work of Kevin Godley & Lol Creme, particularly the album simply entitled "L" Rich - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 08:56:27 +1030 From: "sinkas" Subject: Re: Favorites of 2000 It surprises me also that many of you can have lists "So long", (List = envy!) I have an entire collection of about the same number of items some of = you listed for this year. I know I have many disc here, that I have only listened to onece, maybe = some I havent even listened too. I recently found a copy of Naked city = live in Geneva, that I dont even know where i got it? Do many of you spend an allocated amount on music per week?, How often = are you dissapointed by what you purchase? Do you tell the store/artist = what you thought of the disc? Do people here sell "Crap" that they bought in order to fund better = discs? Sorry if my questions are odd, but judging by the lists some of you = spend 1000's of dollars a year on music, surely you must "manage " the = spending in some way or other. Case "Alma Matters" - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:19:49 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Roxy Music JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/28/00 1:57:00 PM, nilugo@usa.net writes: > > << I just purchased ROXY MUSIC's self-titled debut and I was pretty surprised > when I heard the first track RE-MAKE/RE-MODEL which has a very "avant-pop" > dwelling between the guitar and the sax, it's pretty good. Anybody know if > other ROXY MUSIC album are like this? Or any other "pop" album with this > type of playing? >> > > the second one, For Your Pleasure, is the only other one with Brian Eno on > it, and is my favorite one from start to finish. Seconded. I also find 'Stranded,' the third album and the first post-Eno, to have more than ita share of eccentricity. It's not as out there as the first two, but it's strong and underrated. And, like Dale, I also retain great affection for the next two discs, 'Country Life' and 'Siren,' though by this point the band was clearly Ferry's, with Mackay, Manzanera and Thompson relegated to virtual sideman status. Mackay and Manzanera at least managed to do some interesting side projects (I think Mackay's cover of "Wild Weekend" can be omitted from the list, perhaps). Manzanera, in particular, had a string of interesting albums, plus 801 and the Quiet Sun reunion disc, 'Mainstream.' Manzanera and Mackay's mid-80s Roxy spinoff band The Explorers, however, is New Romantic chaff to be avoided. Even as Roxy Music transformed into the Bryan Ferry Band in all but name, they still made some excellent music. 'Manifesto' and 'Flesh + Blood' are pale by comparison to earlier achievements, but fine pop albums taken on their own. And 'Avalon' is a fairly staggering piece of adult pop, every note perfectly placed and glistening. The neo-swing album released this year aside, Ferry's been mining the ground broken on 'Avalon' ever since. > you also should check out the first two solo Eno CDs, Here Come The Warm Jets > and Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy I'll second this as well. The following two albums, 'Anther Green World' and 'Before and After Science' are also well worth checking out. They're less frenetic than 'Here Come the Warm Jets' but often much more exploratory than 'Taking Tiger Mountain.' The prog-fusion and proto-ambient instrumentals on the former feature excellent performances by Fripp, John Cale, Percy Jones and Phil Collins, as has been previously mentioned, while the latter includes more great work from Fripp, Jones, and Collins as well as Fred Frith and Jaki Liebezeit, with such strong material as the slithering instrumental "Energy Fools the Magician" (which I first heard on the 'Rock'n'Roll High School' soundtrack!), the Talking Heads tribute "King's Lead Hat," and "Kurt's Rejoinder," which "samples" Schwitters's Ursonate. 'Nerve Net,' from the early '90s, is similar but lesser, though here again Fripp plays really well, as does Robert Quine. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Kevin Drumm/Martin Tetreault, 10, 'Particles and Smears' (Erstwhile) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:25:24 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Roxy Music In a message dated Thu, 28 Dec 2000 3:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, Scott Handley writes: << --- TagYrIt@aol.com wrote: > If you want to get into the Eno catalog, I can go > into that even MORE! I for one would be interested to hear opinions and estimations of Eno's work. I've heard so little, but I had a great experience not even a month ago with WARM JETS. If this isn't Eno "best" work, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to start buying again >> Might I also suggest his 1998 offering _Nerve Net_ which is a return to his "rock" roots after almost a decade of ambient offerings. Fripp has some great shred on this one, and Eno has lots of support from a slew of other top-notch players. - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #218 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com