From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #234 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, January 8 2001 Volume 03 : Number 234 In this issue: - Re: Current 93, Stenbock nonZorn/ FileMaker Pro help needed Re: nonZorn/ FileMaker Pro help needed zorn sheet music Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Blue oxley on sofa/verge burn Burns, with style history of euro jazz/hampel interview Re: burn Burns, with style Re: burn Burns, with style Tenchi Sozo Izen ZORN Lecture/performance(?) TODAY!!! @Miller Theatre!!! Re: cool edit (no zorn content) Trimpin any Scelsi recommendations? Denman Maroney/Tim Berne NYC show this Thursday Re: burn Burns, with style ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 21:51:26 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Current 93, Stenbock Stenbock or at least his name is a character in Kim Newman's "Anno Dracula" (he stuffed the book full of famous and not-famous literary vampires and their authors). LT - ------------------------------------------- Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:03:14 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: nonZorn/ FileMaker Pro help needed dear zornies, by any chance do you know someone who uses FileMaker Pro? i use it for my database, although ive only finished letter B not even counting vinyl, and its already 20.000 entries (i do each track of compilations separately). What I'm looking for is how to write a script to delete duplicates in one fell swoop, as i accidentally have several merged and its 3x larger than it shd be. ( i use a mac, btw). reply to me personally, natch. thanks, all steve koenig n.p. EP with book Cucamonga, photos of Beefheart's LA residences w/G Lucas, Zoot Horn Rollo, John French and sounds of the freeway....... (emigre.com) - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:40:34 -0800 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: nonZorn/ FileMaker Pro help needed n.p. EP with book Cucamonga, photos of Beefheart's LA residences w/G Lucas, Zoot Horn Rollo, John French and sounds of the freeway....... (emigre.com) How is the book and EP? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:48:33 EST From: Thelushtundra@aol.com Subject: zorn sheet music << so i am wondering if anyone of the z-list knows of anyplace where i can get any zorn sheet music...thanks in advance! >> just so happens i picked up Cartoon S&M a couple of days ago, and in the booklet it says: "scores and parts available from Carl Fischer, New York 65 Bleecker Street, NYC 10012 tel: (212) 777-0900 fax: (212) 477-6996" hope this helps. charlie - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:22:48 -0500 From: "Risser Family" Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) > >you select the LAST SONG, cut it and paste it on a new file with the > >appropriate title, repeat until the first, and you have the mp3 files you > >need. for neatness, it's not bad having a separate directory for each show, > >or mention th ename of the band in the file name, otherwise you'll quickly > >have a jumble of files with sometimes similar names to get lost in. Also > >discard the original huge file or put it on Cd for future uses. Okay, I agree with the back to front. For some reason, it's easier to keep track of, and it doesn't grind the drive as much as you hack pieces off the end. Here's what I do when I'm cutting apart an album: Sample it to a WAV. Copy the WAV. Edit the copy (so you still have the original if you screw something up) Then, using Cool Edit, I select the last song on the LP, then SAVE SELECTION. This is important, because when you are dealing with 30 megs or more of data, copying and pasting is no simple matter. It grinds the drive as you tax virtual memory. This skips that step and speeds the process dramatically. Then Cut or delete the part you had selected and move on to the next tune, until you are done. Cutting it like this allows you to save it if you have to walk away, which I do on a regular basis, and I can't remember shit, so I have to leave physical reminders to myself. Also, be sure you are number the tracks if the order is important to you. Also, be sure to know that if you cut a piece of music into pieces and make those pieces, the music will NOT play uninterrupted using most current players. There is a tiny pause as the player buffers the first few seconds. So stuff like medleys or live music will have teeny pauses on playback. As for leaving the appropriate silence before or after a track, I think it depends. On most stuff I leave a fraction of a second, but for long slow fading intros or super sudden attacks, I leave a little more. And on the way out, I leave whatever makes since. Really, if you intend the thing to be played in toto, it sort of doesn't matter where you cut it. My 2 cents. Peter - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:58:13 +0100 From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Blue I noticed that in the cybermusic surplus catalog there's Blue by the John Stevens Ensemble. This is a half-boot, but well worth getting for 5.99 with Rutherford and Parker among other notables. Francesco - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:50:48 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: oxley on sofa/verge Verge is stocking the Oxley disc on Sofa that Steve was looking for a few=20 days ago. it might not be on the web site yet (www.vergemusic.com), below is= =20 the description from the January update, price in Canadian dollars: - ----------------------------------------- SOFA Norway Tony Oxley Project 1 Triangular Screen NY-SOFA501-CD Jazz 7042986105013 ($22.00 CD) Tony Oxley. drums; Ivar Grydeland, guitar; Tonny Kluften, bass. Recorded at the Kongsberg Jazz Festival, March 2000 and at Bla, Oslo, May 2000.Studios, Oslo, 1996. On this recording Johannes Eick=EDs warm bass sound, =ECImprovisation is one of the purest forms of self expression. It has its risks, but also its rewards. The music on this CD, I feel welcomes the obvious freedoms and responsibilities. The Triangular Screen is a document from two very different European cultures. Welcome.=EE =F3Tony Oxley. - ---------------------------------------------- Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:52:01 From: "M. pathos" Subject: burn Burns, with style Thanks for the surfeit of information on Stenbock/Stapelton/Tibet. It's good that somebody still bothers to come up with alternative artistic histories and heroes. Jazz will urgently need some once "Jazz," the Babel tower of crap by documentarian Ken Burns overseen by W. MarsalASS et. al., drops. Apparently, "Jazz" history stops mid-Miles, with Trane and post-60s artists being footnotes deserving of little more than one episode (of ten). It's unbelievable the audacity of LC (is that Lincoln Center or Lying Cunts?) crew presenting such a blatantly biased account of the music as what, through its monumentality and contextualization, will tend to be viewed as a definitive history. Having said that, I often wonder if a lot of what's happened in the new music since 1975-1980 can really be contextualized within a jazz framework. Perhaps this is what Zorn was getting at in his "Experimental" manifesto (I missed that discussion). Zorn's music, in particular, seems to owe much more to other genres than to jazz. But then, maybe it's all jazz, or at least one of Ellington's two musical categories: good and bad. Styles are continuums not categories - and all that. from the cd's liner notes: count eric stenbock (1860-1895), a member of the estonian branch of a noble swedish family, was the most extraordinary of the decadent writers who flourished in london at the end of the nineteenth century. Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:58:13 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: history of euro jazz/hampel interview hi friends, i got an amazing interview from gunter hampel which covers the whole history of euro & amer improv. http://www.allaboutjazz.com/iviews/ghampel.htm GUNTER HAMPEL INTERVIEW includes references to : perry robinson, mark whitecage, buschi niebergall, willem breuker, david hazelton, naima, jeanne lee, ran blake, pierre courbois, peter kowald, peter brotzmann matthias schubert, wergo records, marion brown, anthony braxton, steve mccall, joseph jarman, roscoe mitchell, barre phillips, manfred schoof, albert mangelsdorff, zane and cal massey, andrew cyrille billy bang, larry rolland, stollman/esp-disk' downtown music gallery, knitting factory yrs steve koenig np: brandon evans "recurring moons" paractile 01 - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:18:21 EST From: TagYrIt@aol.com Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style - --part1_55.f831f46.278a6f5d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/7/01 6:52:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, mpathos@hotmail.com writes: > I often wonder if a lot of what's happened in the new > music since 1975-1980 can really be contextualized within a jazz framework. > I've always said myself, that with the possible exception of Zorn, virtually nothing of consequence has happened in jazz since 1975. Dale. - --part1_55.f831f46.278a6f5d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/7/01 6:52:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mpathos@hotmail.com writes:


I often wonder if a lot of what's happened in the new
music since 1975-1980 can really be contextualized within a jazz framework.

I've always said myself, that with the possible exception of Zorn, virtually
nothing of consequence has happened in jazz since 1975.

Dale.
- --part1_55.f831f46.278a6f5d_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:45:14 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 08:18:21PM -0500, TagYrIt@aol.com wrote: > I've always said myself, that with the possible exception of Zorn, virtually > nothing of consequence has happened in jazz since 1975. Hrmm. What would you claim is the last thing "of consequence" that has happened? And isn't singling out Zorn as a thing (?) of consequence, without noting the entire millieu that makes his work possible, falling into the trap of looking at the history as a group of decontextualized heroes, much as Burns's series is reported to do? - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:57:05 +1100 From: "Adam Rock" Subject: Tenchi Sozo Izen This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C07983.440922E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Zornographers, Anyone heard of Tenchi Sozo Izen? The stuff i've come across is akin to = second-rate Naked City "Heretic." Regards, Adam - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C07983.440922E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Zornographers,
 
Anyone heard of Tenchi Sozo Izen? The stuff i've come across is = akin to=20 second-rate Naked City "Heretic."
 
Regards,
 
Adam
- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C07983.440922E0-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:29:41 EST From: Drivymovie@aol.com Subject: ZORN Lecture/performance(?) TODAY!!! @Miller Theatre!!! Hello, I just wanted to remind everyone in NYC that Zorn is giving a free discussion and possible performance today from 4-6:30 at the Miller Theatre at Columbia University! There is more info on the DMG site, if anyone is interested. Okay, Evan - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:36:36 +0100 From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: cool edit (no zorn content) > Okay, I agree with the back to front. For some reason, it's easier to keep > track of, and it doesn't grind the drive as much as you hack pieces off the > end. that's because that way the program hasn't to move the whole file, just cut from the end of it. > Here's what I do when I'm cutting apart an album: > Sample it to a WAV. > Copy the WAV. I do not think this is necessary because until the final saving the file it's still intact on your hd > Edit the copy (so you still have the original if you screw something up) > Then, using Cool Edit, I select the last song on the LP, then SAVE > SELECTION. This is important, because when you are dealing with 30 megs or > more of data, copying and pasting is no simple matter. It grinds the drive > as you tax virtual memory. This skips that step and speeds the process > dramatically. I guess your mileage varies with RAM and processing power available. > Then Cut or delete the part you had selected and move on to the next tune, > until you are done. Cutting it like this allows you to save it if you have > to walk away, which I do on a regular basis, and I can't remember shit, so I > have to leave physical reminders to myself. well if you have to cut and delete at this point you might as well cut and paste before saving a step... > Also, be sure to know that if you cut a piece of music into pieces and make > those pieces, the music will NOT play uninterrupted using most current > players. There is a tiny pause as the player buffers the first few seconds. > So stuff like medleys or live music will have teeny pauses on playback. some software will allow you to index a big file instead of cutting it in order to achieve continuous playing while leaving you free to access any tune > As for leaving the appropriate silence before or after a track, I think it > depends. On most stuff I leave a fraction of a second, but for long slow > fading intros or super sudden attacks, I leave a little more. And on the > way out, I leave whatever makes since. Really, if you intend the thing to > be played in toto, it sort of doesn't matter where you cut it. matter of taste of course, I dont care for continuous playing unless the pieces really segue into each other and I minimize the applause too which over repeated listenings is annoying Francesco - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:27:03 -0600 From: Herb Levy Subject: Trimpin After expounding on the Nancarrow disc, I got further questions about Trimpin, so again figured to respond to the list. Trimpin is a Seattle-based artist who worked with Nancarrow from the mid-1980s until Nancarrow's death. He invented a piano roll to MIDI interface (which is a very funny looking thing) so that all of Nancarrow's works could be stored digitally. He also toured a lot with Nancarrow, performing (getting the tech together & turning the computer on & off) in the public concerts of Nancarrow's music during this period. In Trimpin's own creative works, he controls acoustic instruments and other sound-making devices using computers, often modelling basic natural forces. Trimpin has created many amazing installations/instruments/compositions including a Fire Organ; rickshaws with radio controlled musical instruments; a suspended array of marimbas that responds to seismic data from around the world; etc. that have been presented at festivals, art centers, science museums throughout North America, Europe and the Pacific Rim. Trimpin has never been interested in audio recordings of his own music, partly because they have so much to do with acoustic space, partly because he's interested in acoustic sounds as such; and partly because he thinks speaker's are poorly designed. (I've probably mis-stated some of his arguments here, as well as missed a few other reasons for not doing audio recordings.) In any case, the Nancarrow CD may be the only chance you'll have to hear his instruments on a recording any time soon, even though they aren't playing his music. Bests, Herb - -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:51:40 -0800 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: any Scelsi recommendations? I know nothing of this composer and I want to repair this serious overlook. Does Scelsi has a "Rite of Spring"? I mean a composition which gathers some consensus? Also, what record in general people recommend? Thanks, Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:34:59 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Denman Maroney/Tim Berne NYC show this Thursday INTERPRETATIONS presents DENMAN MARONEY "Fluxations" (premiere) Ned Rothenberg - reeds Dave Ballou - trumpet Denman Maroney - hyperpiano Mark Dresser - contrabass Kevin Norton - percussion PARAPHRASE Tim Berne - saxophone Drew Gress - bass Tom Rainey - percussion Thursday, January 11, 2001 Merkin Concert Hall / 8:00pm 129 West 67th Street Box Office: 212-501-3330 Tickets: $10/$7 TDF/V Interpretations: 212-627-0990 - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 06:00:49 -0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: burn Burns, with style >From: TagYrIt@aol.com > >I've always said myself, that with the possible exception of Zorn, >virtually >nothing of consequence has happened in jazz since 1975. Hmmm...you should try and get out more often... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #234 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com