From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #245 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, January 16 2001 Volume 03 : Number 245 In this issue: - NYTimes pix RE: New Zorn?/Too many reissues? Odp: Tim Berne Recommendations? Odp: bobby previte new CD Re: Odp: Tim Berne Recommendations? kf $20 deal Re: L.A. Free Music Society Re: REsidents Rec. Re: L.A. Free Music Society Re: Berne's JMT, Parker, Tyler Re: Odp: Tim Berne Recommendations? 20th Century's most important musician Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) February jazz in NYC - wow! james blood at the knit Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:57:00 -0500 From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: NYTimes pix There are TWO color photos of Zorn on page B1 of today's NYTimes. Glenn Lea - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:11:52 -0300 From: Linares Hugo Subject: RE: New Zorn?/Too many reissues? Efren, > Zorn said in a Spanish magazine interview that he had > The interview took place several years ago and now it > seems that we're all suffering his "reissue fever". If > I find the time I will be glad to transcrip his exact > words for the list so everyone can sort of find an [Linares Hugo] Para los hispanoparlantes envialo en espanol, please! Saludos, Hugo Linares PD: Efren. Cuando te metes en la Lista espanola de Jazz a debatir un poco? > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:02:36 +0100 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Tim Berne Recommendations? From: Steve Smith (Yes, and I come close to replying to every mail sent by Steve...) > Standard caveat: Remember that anything on JMT is out of print - a disaster > when you consider that it's roughly 10 years of his work, and 10 decisive years > at that. You'll have to haunt used CD shops and keep checking eBay for many of > these. Is there any hope that it will change someday? Is nobody interested in their catalogue(W&W)? - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:56:30 +0100 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: bobby previte new CD From: Steve Smith > Likewise, he's saddened by the fact that his Bump the > Renaissance band, which plays to sold-out crowds across Europe, can't get a gig > or a deal in the U.S. did they record anything? ( and why don't they play somewhere in central Europe?) Marcin Gokieli - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:28:59 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Odp: Tim Berne Recommendations? In a message dated 1/16/01 9:21:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, marcingokieli@go2.pl writes: > Is there any hope that it will change someday? Is nobody interested in their > catalogue(W&W)? In an attempt to buy even more Tim Berne CDs (I bought eleven yesterday), I called DMG to see if they had any in the old used bin. No such luck, and the one JMT Berne they did have was $20. The guy I spoke with said that Tim has been trying in vain for the last few years to buy back the rights to his JMT catalogue. He would like to release all titles as a box set. Fingers crossed.... Checking his bloodcount, Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:39:37 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: kf $20 deal ssmith said: And to New Yorkers and those planning to visit: right now at the Knit you can buy their CDs at a cost of three for $20, with a free drink besides. Time to stock up before they disappear but, i add, be patient. or don't get your hopes up. when i was there, a typically uninformed, unhelpful and no doubt underpaid staffer didn't know how to include multidisc releases (i almost walked away with the chapin box set for half price until she reneged), couldn't find several of the things i wanted and refused to open the cabinet to take out display discs that she couldn't find in stock (she said she didn't have the key, but when in exasperation i asked her to call someone to help, he found the key on her ring). the process took about 40 minutes. i try not to harsh on kf employees because, from what i understand, they are paid for shit and, well, you get what you pay for. at the knit, that often means more attitude than answers, and employees rarely know which of the 2 or 3 advertised times for a set is accurate (for example). there are absolutely some nice and capable people working there. but then there are the ones who can't work a soundboard and turn on the house lights when they get mad at the performer... how nice, then, to go to a well-run rock club last night. the sound at mercury lounge is always great and the people that work there aren't mean to you. zorn/ ribot/medeski/wollenson (emergency) were on fire, mostly mining soul jazz grooves but breaking into some nicely splintered noise as well. wonder if this is a new jz project fermenting? it reminded me a bit of those lovely early days of rotating masadas. kg np: frith & kaiser - with enemies like these, who needs friends? nr: dr. faustus by thomas mann and meet the residents by ian shirley - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:04:20 -0800 From: chuckp8@juno.com Subject: Re: L.A. Free Music Society Yesum... On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:20:48 EST JonAbbey2@aol.com writes: > yeah, I've heard it once through (it's 10 CDs). it's pretty uneven, > with parts being fairly self-indulgent. the best band on the box, and in > this scene, is the unfortunately named Smegma. I'd highly recommend > trying any CDs you can find by them before picking up this box. The 4XCD box "Blorp Esette" might be a better starting point for the unsure. I'm not positive if the tracks carry over, but I found all the CD's to be interesting and worth the purchase. I agree that Smegma may have donated the best tracks, but other highlights include the Reverend Toad Eater, The Patients, Christian Death, the LAFMS Marching Band and, of course, Don Van Vliet's wonderful artwork. CHeers, ChuckP. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:20:19 -0800 From: chuckp8@juno.com Subject: Re: REsidents Rec. Hey... On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:57:04 -0400 mwoodwor writes: > Been a hug fan of the residents for many, many, years - I'm a hug fan too. > first "major" release - 'Meet the Residents.' Keep listening to > 'THe Commercial Album,' I think it's also one of their better ones. I agree, and I also agree with the other post that said Duck Stab is worthy. I like Duck Stab because it features Snakefinger, who's an amazing artist. No one mentioned the semi-recent Pollex Christi EP, which is their interpretation of N. Senada's "1937 Masterpiece." Easily one of my favorites from the vast catalog, pre and post 80's, hands down. Like nothing I've ever heard them do. Also, the newish "Our Tired, Our Poor, Our Huddled Masses" is a great 2XCD compilation of the entire catalog, including stuff from the Commercial Album and Eskimo and Mole and Third Reich... and so on. And if you're into reinterpretations, hear Primus, Cracker, Heavy Vegetable Thinking Fellers, Stan Ridgeway (sort of) and many more do your favorite Residents' hits on "Eyesore; A Stab At The Residents" on Vaccination. One thing, the Bad Day On The Midway CD-Rom is giving me the shits. Does anyone know how to solve this thing? And be sure to check out Renaldo and The Loaf if you're really into the Residents. Chuck P. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:12:26 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: L.A. Free Music Society In a message dated 1/16/01 11:26:03 AM, chuckp8@juno.com writes: << The 4XCD box "Blorp Esette" might be a better starting point for the unsure. I'm not positive if the tracks carry over, but I found all the CD's to be interesting and worth the purchase. >> well, this is really inexpensive (like $25 for four full-length discs) , but I found the quality of this to be even more spotty. it seemed like it was leftover material from the 10 disc set. just my opinion... Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:43:27 +0100 From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: Berne's JMT, Parker, Tyler > Also, is anyone else as impressed with Charles Tyler's - 'Voyage From Jericho' > as me? Awesome album, the drummer - Steve Reid, is nearly incomprehensible. I am sorry but I dont understand this last sentence. As I'm actively researching about Reid (as you maybe know there are two Steve Reid, but one plays in the Rippington and the AMG guide conflates them in themost amusing manner) I'd like yo to explain. Thanks Francesco - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:54:08 +0100 From: Tim Blechmann Subject: Re: Odp: Tim Berne Recommendations? Marcin> Is there any hope that it will change someday? Is nobody interested in their Marcin> catalogue(W&W)? Stefan Winter claimed that he wants to re-release some old JMT recordings on W&W (especially Uri Caine) in the next future. PEACE Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:06:06 -0500 From: "stevespangler" Subject: 20th Century's most important musician If you're talking about influence on other artists then I'm afraid the list should be a little less interesting especially in the Blues category. I would say that Eric Clapton & Stevie Ray Vaughn are much more influential than B.B. King or Ray Charles. It's sad but true. Also, for Classical musicians in the past 50 years, John Williams seems more influential to me than Cage. I like Cage more, but his music isn't played at local high-school basketball games. Steve Spangler - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:16:03 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) - --- Ken Waxman wrote: > Jazz/Improvised Music 1st 50 years: Louis > Armstrong While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing the new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say something about the Columbia remasters being inferior to remasters done by a smaller company, and released on a small, independent label? Does anyone know about these releases, if they are still available? Thanks, sorry for the OT, - ----s NP: THU20 - DERDE SCHIFF (Staalplaat) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:22:49 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) In a message dated 1/16/01 2:17:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, thesubtlebody@yahoo.com writes: << While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing the new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say something about the Columbia remasters being inferior to remasters done by a smaller company, and released on a small, independent label? Does anyone know about these releases, if they are still available? Thanks, sorry for the OT, ----s >> They are available at Amazon.com as a four-CD set for $23.72. It's a UK label. I just ordered it. Tom - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:27:56 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) In a message dated 1/16/01 2:23:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Samerivertwice@aol.com writes: << < While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing the new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say something about the Columbia remasters being inferior to remasters done by a smaller company, and released on a small, independent label? Does anyone know about these releases, if they are still available? Thanks, sorry for the OT, ----s >> They are available at Amazon.com as a four-CD set for $23.72. It's a UK label. I just ordered it. Tom >> Furthermore, I ordered it a week ago and it IS in stock. Amazon lists it as "Special Order" but one is on hand and ready to ship out. Tom - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:34:56 EST From: Jeffcalt@aol.com Subject: Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) thesubtlebody@yahoo.com writes: > While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing the > new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say > something about the Columbia remasters being inferior > to remasters done by a smaller company, and released > on a small, independent label? Does anyone know about > these releases, if they are still available? JSP put out a very inexpensive remastered 4-CD box that is still available. Those who've heard both boxsets have said the quality is just as good on the JSP as on the Columbia. The major differences, from what I've heard over on the Miles List, are: 1) that the Columbia set is much more fancy, with a booklet, more liner notes, etc.; 2) the material is slightly different, but the bulk of the actual Hot 5s and Hot 7s sessions is the same on both sets; 3) Price! I picked up JSP for about $25 US (at Best Buy) while the Columbia set is going for at least double that. Overall, you're much better off with the JSP. I think I also read on the jazzmatazz website that JSP is soon putting out a box of Armstrong's Big Band recordings. jeff caltabiano n.p. oliver lake quintet: dedicated to dolphy (1996 ,black saint) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:40:45 -0800 From: Reuben Radding Subject: Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) You want the box recently issued by JSP Records. At 11:16 AM 1/16/01 -0800, Scott Handley wrote: >--- Ken Waxman wrote: > > Jazz/Improvised Music 1st 50 years: Louis > > Armstrong > >While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing the >new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say >something about the Columbia remasters being inferior >to remasters done by a smaller company, and released >on a small, independent label? Does anyone know about >these releases, if they are still available? > >Thanks, sorry for the OT, > >----s > >NP: THU20 - DERDE SCHIFF (Staalplaat) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:57:47 -0500 From: Maurice Rickard Subject: Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) I sprung for the Columbia. Since I haven't heard the JSP, I can't comment on the differences/similarities of the sound. I'm sure that they're pretty much equivalent, but I'll say that if you're a packaging fetishist, the Columbia has one hell of a presentation. I'm not sorry I spent the extra cash on it, but YMMV, of course. - -Maurice At 2:34 PM -0500 1/16/01, Jeffcalt@aol.com wrote: > >JSP put out a very inexpensive remastered 4-CD box that is still available. >Those who've heard both boxsets have said the quality is just as good on the >JSP as on the Columbia. The major differences, from what I've heard over on >the Miles List, are: 1) that the Columbia set is much more fancy, with a >booklet, more liner notes, etc.; 2) the material is slightly different, but >the bulk of the actual Hot 5s and Hot 7s sessions is the same on both sets; >3) Price! I picked up JSP for about $25 US (at Best Buy) while the Columbia >set is going for at least double that. Overall, you're much better off with >the JSP. - -- Maurice Rickard http://mauricerickard.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:31:47 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: February jazz in NYC - wow! Sorry to piss off anyone not here in New York - perhaps we should think about creating a sub-list for New York-based performances like they have in so many other cities! - but there's so much good jazz coming up in February, I just had to spread the word. And hey, I suppose that if you're out of town and see something here to die for, there's still time to book tickets... ;-) 2/2-4 American premiere, Andrew Hill Big Band, Jazz Standard (in preparation for upcoming recording on Palmetto) 2/6-11 Jazz Composers Collective Festival, Jazz Standard: 2/6-7 Herbie Nichols Project and Ted Nash Double Quartet 2/8 Frank Kimbrough Quartet and Ron Horton's Genius Envy 2/9 Ben Allison's Medicine Wheel 2/10 Michael Blake's Free Association and Frank Kimbrough Quartet 2/11 Palmetto All-Stars Play Ellington and Ron Horton's Genius Envy 2/8-11 Mario Pavone: New Music for Trio, Quartet and Octet, Knitting Factory 2/13-18 Dave Douglas New Quintet, Village Vanguard... Chris Potter, Uri Caine (on Fender Rhodes), James Genus, Clarence Penn 2/15-17 Marty Ehrlich's Travelers Tales, Knitting Factory 2/20-25 Jason Moran Trio with Sam Rivers, Jazz Standard Whew... Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:23:58 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: james blood at the knit anyone know if the ulmer/myers/benbow set is still on for tonight? it's not on the knit website and citysearch doesn't have it listed, so i'm guessing it's canceled, but it's still on jazznewyork.org. i tried calling the club's infoline and they list concerts for the first week in december. if it is canceled, anyone know why? np: david west - pickin' on hendrix - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:29:58 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: Armstrong (was re: most important musicians) Scott Handley wrote: > --- Ken Waxman wrote: > > Jazz/Improvised Music 1st 50 years: Louis > > Armstrong > > While we're in this neighborhood, I've been eyeing the > new Hot Fives box, but didn't the Penguin Guide say > something about the Columbia remasters being inferior > to remasters done by a smaller company, and released > on a small, independent label? Does anyone know about > these releases, if they are still available? Everyone else has already chimed in on the JSP box, but I thought I'd clarify one point. The Penguin Guide was referring to the original single disc issues on Columbia Jazz Masterworks, released back in the '80s. These were dismal indeed. The JSPs brought the music vividly to life. The new Legacy box set contains new transfers from original parts, and is supposed to be a vast improvement over the old Columbias (how could it not be?). The box also contains lavish packaging and notes, plus a few non-Hot Fives & Sevens bonus tracks from other sessions and labels. I've heard that the sound is not a vast improvement over the JSP transfers, so if money is an issue and the music is what matters, go for the JSP, homely packaging and all. But as regards sound, at this point you won't go wrong either way. Just stay far away from those Columbia single discs. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #245 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com