From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #258 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, January 26 2001 Volume 03 : Number 258 In this issue: - Kraabel appeal Re: fishing with john re: fishing with John Re: fishing with john Re: brand new emanems Odp: Tim Berne recording update / Tony Malaby gigs Re: threaddisco Re: Fishing with John Re: threaddisco re:threaddiscography Re: threaddiscography Saragossa Manuscript in London [NZ] Re: Saragossa Manuscript in Atlanta Re: Odp: Tim Berne recording update / Tony Malaby gigs Re: [threadgillthread] Re[2]: threaddiscography ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:51:06 -0500 From: "gg" Subject: Kraabel appeal Scott Handley asked: > 4. Veryan Weston / Caroline Kraabel duo (who is this Karaabel, the saxophonist?) yep, saxophone and pretentions of "performance art." Kraabel was a member of the Honkies (no clue). released a solo disc in 1997 (the live "Now We Are One Two," on Dark Beloved Cloud) that is either unlistenable or just off any appraisal scale with which i'm familiar. i want to say the best (relative, mind you) parts sound like a laundry-room nmperign session with the Honker muppets from Sesame Street sitting in. but that's too kind. as for all the overheated prepubescent spoken-word material? very, very bad idea. almost worth keeping around for the sleeve, though - handwritten note, red-foil paper dolls, sealed in some sort of sheet rubber double-dipped in red wax and glue. well, almost. gg/ gg2g4ink@javanet.com "establish enigmas. not explanations" - robert smithson - - ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 2001 23:08:41 -0800 From: Dan Given Subject: Re: fishing with john > > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:01:55 -0500 > From: "Bob Kowalski" > Subject: fishin' with john > > Tom Waits episode is great fun, but for my money out of the four I've seen = > the Willem Dafoe episode is tops! Too bad both of these aren't on the = > same tape. =20 I rented FwJ on DVD a couple of months ago, and yes, these are the episodes that are the best, by far, though the Dennis Hopper episode is also quite amusing. The disc presents all 6 order, I think I found the first one (Jim Jarmusch) interesting because I had no idea what to expect, then the 3 mentioned above were all good, and the other 2 so so. But for anyone wanting to buy it, this would be the way to do it. I saw it for sale recently for about $50 Cdn (35 US). Someone mentioned that they thought that the DVD of these has extra material -- I don't think there was much beyond a Lounge Lizards video. Dan Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:26:32 -0600 From: Craig Rath Subject: re: fishing with John > >But for anyone wanting to buy it, this would be the way to do it. I saw it >for sale recently for about $50 Cdn (35 US). Buy.com has it right now for about $21 US on DVD or the VHS 3-tape set for $19. >Someone mentioned that they thought that the DVD of these has extra material >-- I don't think there was much beyond a Lounge Lizards video. The DVD basically contains the 6 episodes, a Lounge Lizards video, and then commentary tracks for all 6 episodes done by Lurie. Sometimes his commentary track is funnier than the actual show. And I agree that the Defoe ep is great, though I enjoyed them all. Craig M. Rath H: fripp@mn.mediaone.net W: rathc@questarweb.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:39:34 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Re: fishing with john Hi everyone! Thanks for your "Fishing" recommendations. Nobody actually seems to lose their heads about it so I'll think twice. You can't afford everything. Thanks again, Efrén del Valle np: Robert Wyatt "Ruth is Stranger than Richard". now doing: translating Zorn's interview! _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:20:02 +0100 From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: brand new emanems >From: Scott Handley > >3. "The Kryonics" (fiddlers Aleks Kolkowski---has >anyone heard this guy?---and Jon Rose with bassist >Matthias Bauer, who was on Bill Dixon's beautiful >BERLIN ABBOZZI). Kolkowski is a violin player from Berlin who has worked with Butch Morris Berlin Skyscrapers and his own projects with Axel Doerner. I think he´s able to make some valuable musical contributions in the near future. Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:00:51 +0100 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Tim Berne recording update / Tony Malaby gigs From: Steve Smith > The band Quicksand (the above three plus Tony Malaby and Marc Ducret) is > set to record in March, following their run at the Knit (March 8-11) and > their European tour (March 12-24). The label for this project is yet to Does anybody knopw where i could find info about the european tour? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:23:01 +0100 From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: Re: threaddisco >From: Rick Lopez > >So obviously the number of recordings isn't *prohibitive* or anything, >right? Then how hard would it be for any (and all) interested parties to >feed me complete info on recordings in their collections? If responses >cover >most all of it, I'll do the code and put this baby up. It would be, as my >arbitrary but useful distinction defines it: a discography-- official >releases only. I'd post a little ditty to these lists outlining the format, >and you guys could fill'em in, send them along, and I'd cut-and-paste >myself >half to death, some more. > >What say you all? great idea! I´m searching for a thread-disco for a long time. here are the items of my collection (details will follow if necessary): 02.07.1969 MUHAL RICHARD ABRAMS SOLO & QUINTET YOUNG AT HEART - WISE IN TIME AS (2) LP 51:30 10.09.1975 AIR AIR SONG AS TS BS FL LP 48:57 14.05.1976 AIR WILDFLOWERS 1, NEW YORK LOFT SESSIONS AS LP 07:45 01.07.1976 AIR LIVE AIR AS FL PER CD 39:53 23.08.1976 ROSCOE MITCHELL SOLO - QUARTET NONAAH AS (9) LP 88:30 22.09.1977 ANTHONY BRAXTON TRIO FOR TRIO FL BFL AS TS BS CL PER (1) LP 41:18 01.11.1977 MUHAL RICHARD ABRAMS QUINTET 1 - OQA + 19 AS TS FL VOI CD 41:52 17.11.1977 AIR AIR TIME AS TS FL BFL LP 43:38 21.02.1978 AIR OPEN AIR SUIT AS TS BS FL LP 39:32 27.03.1978 FRANK WALTON SEXTET REALITY AS CD 43:24 01.07.1978 ROSCOE MITCHELL SOLO, TRIO & OCTET L-R-G, THE MAZE, S2 EXAMPLES PER (2) LP 83:45 22.07.1978 AIR MONTREUX SUISSE AS TS BS HUB LP 39:09 13.01.1979 HENRY THREADGILL X-75, VOL. I AS BFL FL COMP LP 43:08 11.05.1979 AIR AIR LORE TS AS FL CD 36:30 25.07.1980 DAVID MURRAY OCTET MING AS CD 39:17 28.12.1980 AIR AIR MAIL TS AS FL BFL HUB CD 35:39 01.01.1981 MATERIAL MEMORY SERVES AS (2,6,7) LP 39:50 31.10.1981 DAVID MURRAY OCTET HOME AS BFL CD 38:35 01.01.1982 HENRY THREADGILL SEXTET WHEN WAS THAT ? FL BFL CL AS TS LP 40:40 23.01.1982 AIR 80 DEGREES BELOW 82 AS CD 33:50 14.07.1982 DAVID MURRAY OCTET MURRAY'S STEPS AS FL LP 39:45 01.01.1983 HENRY THREADGILL SEXTET JUST THE FACTS AND PASS THE BUCKET FL CL AS BS LP 39:31 01.07.1983 NEW AIR LIVE AT MONTREAL JAZZ FESTIVAL AS BS FL CD 46:32 01.01.1984 AIR AIR RAID TS FL MUS LP 41:20 01.12.1984 HENRY THREADGILL SEXTET SUBJECT TO CHANGE FL CL AS TS LP 40:58 01.01.1985 HAL WILLNER KURT WEILL-LOST IN THE STARS ARR COND (6) CD 67:35 01.04.1986 PAUL HAINES - KIP HANRAHAN DARN IT ! AS (10) CD 97:19 02.06.1986 NEW AIR WITH CASSANDRA WILSON AIR SHOW NO. I AS TS FL BJ CD 41:54 12.10.1986 HENRY THREADGILL SEXTET YOU KNOW THE NUMBER AS TS BFL CD 45:32 20.09.1987 HENRY THREADGILL SEXTET EASILY SLIP INTO ANOTHER WORLD AS TS CL ARR LP 39:08 01.12.1988 HENRY THREADGILL SEXTET RAG, BUSH AND ALL AS BFL LP 38:28 19.11.1990 HENRY THREADGILL VERY VERY CIRCUS SPIRIT OF NUFF...NUFF AS FL CD 58:10 01.01.1991 MATERIAL THE THIRD POWER FL ARR LP 37:04 01.05.1991 HENRY THREADGILL VERY VERY CIRCUS LIVE AT KONCEPTS AS FL BFL CD 51:43 01.01.1992 HAL WILLNER WEIRD NIGHTMARE: MEDITATIONS ON MINGUS FL ARR (2,5,19) CD 74:18 01.01.1993 HENRY THREADGILL VERY VERY CIRCUS TOO MUCH SUGAR FOR A DIME AS CD 53:43 23.01.1993 BILLY BANG HIP HOP BE BOP AS CD 32:42 17.08.1993 HENRY THREADGILL SONG OUT OF MY TREES COMP AS CD 46:03 01.07.1994 KIP HANRAHAN A THOUSAND NIGHTS AND A NIGHT - SHADOW NIGHT I AS (16) CD 64:09 01.07.1994 KIP HANRAHAN A THOUSAND NIGHTS AND A NIGHT - RED NIGHT FL (7) CD 70:36 01.01.1995 HENRY THREADGILL VERY VERY CIRCUS CARRY THE DAY AS BFL FL CD 37:00 01.01.1995 HENRY THREADGILL VERY VERY CIRCUS MAKIN' A MOVE AS (2-5,7) CD 63:15 01.08.1996 HENRY THREADGILL MAKE A MOVE WHERE'S YOUR CUP ? AS FL CD 65:13 Andreas PS: Kurt, have you compiled your nearly complete disco from memory? unbelievable - anyhow for me! PPS: has anybody ever seen the first Air LP TEILWEISE KACKE, ABER STEREO mentioned some days ago at the threadlist and in the AMG book? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:27:40 -0500 From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com Subject: Re: Fishing with John I rented this on DVD awhile back and really enjoyed it (actually, my whole family, including the kids watched it eagerly over several nights). There were 1-hour episodes with Jim Jarmusch, Matt Dillon, Tom Waits (in Jamaica), Willem Dafoe (ice fishing, my favorite), and a 2-hour with Dennis Hopper (Thailand). They range from kinda bleak to very funny (e.g. Waits storing his fish in his pants). The audio commentary by Lurie is often even better than the original shows, as he describes how things REALLY went down. Like, in one, they only caught one fish and used it over and over in various shots. Or how Waits was really angry and they didn't speak for long afterwards. It makes you realize how "fake" television documentaries can be. There are a couple of Lounge Lizard videos on there too. The CD is good too, John Lurie in fairly quiet pieces, plus a couple of Waits vocals. Glenn Lea - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:03:47 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: threaddisco on 1/26/01 8:23 AM, Andreas Dietz at andreasdietz@hotmail.com unthinkingly blurted: > great idea! I=B4m searching for a thread-disco for a long time. here are th= e > items of my collection (details will follow if necessary): >=20 > 02.07.1969 MUHAL RICHARD ABRAMS SOLO & QUINTET YOUNG AT HEART - WIS= E IN .... [enormous snip].... > 01.08.1996 HENRY THREADGILL MAKE A MOVE WHERE'S YOUR CUP ? AS FL CD 65:13 Andreas! How many (few) are you missing? Here's the options-- You may either spend inestimable hours plugging all available info into a ***SESSION ENTRY*** template that looks like this:
00.09.14

Matthew Shipp: Matthew Shipp's New Orbit

Thirsty Ear Recordings (The Blue Series) THI 57095-2 (CD) 2001

September 14, 2000
Seltzer Sound
New York City
  1. New Orbit [2:59]
  2. Paradox X [4:31]
  3. Orbit 2 [3:39]
  4. Chi [7:50]
  5. Orbit 3 [2:23]
  6. U Feature [3:56]
  7. Syntax [7:16]
  8. Maze Hint [1:09]
  9. Paradox Y [3:54]
  10. Orbit 4 [1:31]
[All compositions, Matthew Shipp]

Matthew Shipp (p)
Wadada Leo Smith (tp)
William Parker (b)
Gerald Cleaver (d)

{Primary Source: THI 57095-2}

and a ***SESSION LISTING*** that looks like this:
  • 00.09.14 / Matthew Shipp: Matthew Shipp's New Orbit / Thirsty Ear - ------OR------ make liner note copies that once sent to me will further clo= g my life, rendering the mere IDEA of leisure time an even more pathetic joke than it is now and ever has been, amen. But, I'll do it if that's a better way for everyone to go. Now if several folk leap forward and volunteer to do a number each, than th= e load becomes less frightful. Receiving the sessions in the format above means I just have lots of cut-and-pasting to do, lots of tweaking, etc. I will answer any queries in detail regarding the finer points of the severely anal formalism of the template. HTML Coding 'R' Us... what the hell am I doing now, RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:21:01 -0500 From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com Subject: re:threaddiscography i'm willing to help, although what purpose does it serve after the amg one someone mentioned? i haven't looked at that one myself. and wait till we get to guest appearances. thread was on about every other weekly record laswell made in the 90s. kg np: rahsaan roland kirk - dog years in the fourth ring (disc 1) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:27:25 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: threaddiscography on 1/26/01 10:21 AM, kurt_gottschalk@scni.com at kurt_gottschalk@scni.com unthinkingly blurted: > > i'm willing to help, although what purpose does it serve after the amg one > someone mentioned? i haven't looked at that one myself. AMG is prone to error, omission, and often does not list complete session info. Besides. Ours will look better. > and wait till we get to guest appearances. thread was on about every other > weekly record laswell made in the 90s. Well then! Better get to work... ;-) RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:36:26 From: "Kristy Shugg" Subject: Saragossa Manuscript in London [NZ] apologies for more film talk, but london people might like to know that the Cine Lumiere in South Ken is showing a Wojciech Has retrospective this weekend: Fri 26: The Noose, 6.30; The Sandglass, 8.45 Sat 27: The Sandglass, 5.00; The Saragossa Manuscript, 7.30 (The Saragossa Manuscript's also showing on Mon and Wed). ....bearing in mind that these times come from a well-known weekly listings mag which has been known to be sporadically inaccurate.... - ----- Kristy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:41:59 -0500 From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Saragossa Manuscript in Atlanta > apologies for more film talk, but london people might like to know It's also screening in Atlanta 1/27 at the High Museum. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:44:46 -0500 From: Peter Gannushkin Subject: Re: Odp: Tim Berne recording update / Tony Malaby gigs Hello Marcin, Many artists are working with Saudades Tourneen agency. That's why you can mostly find their tour schedules at http://www.ejn.it/saudades/. Tim Berne's schedule is also can be found at Screwgun Records web site - - http://www.screwgunrecords.com/. Friday, January 26, 2001, you wrote to me: MG> From: Steve Smith >> The band Quicksand (the above three plus Tony Malaby and Marc Ducret) is >> set to record in March, following their run at the Knit (March 8-11) and >> their European tour (March 12-24). The label for this project is yet to MG> Does anybody knopw where i could find info about the european tour? - -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin@shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:15:20 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: [threadgillthread] Re[2]: threaddiscography on 1/26/01 10:48 AM, Kurt_Gottschalk@scni.com at Kurt_Gottschalk@scni.com unthinkingly blurted: > how come i'm always unthinkingly blurting? everyone is, it's not just you. At some point all will be spouting irresponsibly; spewing unconscionably; puffing unimpressively; etcetera... > ok, yes then, let's get to work. i'd guess maybe a way to divide duties is > 1/ air > 2/ sextett > 3/ vvcircus+makeamove > 4/ guest spots > 5/ collaborations (flute force four, if nothing else...) > 6/ threadgill comps performed by others (universal congress of, and cassandra > are two i know of) This sounds too reasonable. > 4-6 are probably things we'll all have to add to. 6 may be, if you'll all forgive me, details I'll archive for later-later inclusion. But yes. >i'll take on air (i'm pretty > sure my collection's complete, except for the previously mentioned first Air > LP TEILWEISE KACKE, ABER STEREO, which i'd never heard of before this week) > start posting bits for 4-6. i'll type in and send to the list. rick, coding is > yours. (and also, thanks for doing this. glad to see a surge of warm blood on > the list here). Warm, no. Hot more like it. How many of you people understand how this flurry nonsense of mine keeps me anchored, stable, sane, AAAAH! My dear failing Grandmother has been spraying liquid shit all over the room, behind me here, for the past 32 hours. Reality therapy gawdammitt. So I've been doing lots of laundry, running up and down the stairs, suffering dissolving of the soul, improving my breath-holding capabilities, and I am exhausted and require something OTHER and of MAJOR IMPORTANCE and WORTH to distract me. Dig? Still on-list, Davey? By the way, wile *I'M* unthinkingly blurting-- I'm driving my wifey and myself 478 miles to NYC on Tuesday the 20th of Feb for MARILYN at Tonic, since I've never seen her perform, (driving back the following morning) and I would really dig it if any of you New Yawkas would introduce yourselves to me that night. Slap me around, buy me a cup o' coffee, whatever pleases you... I am so tired, RL ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE.html - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #258 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? 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