From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #305 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, February 27 2001 Volume 03 : Number 305 In this issue: - Re: top ten Re: top ten Re: top ten Re: top ten Blast From The Past Re: top ten Re: top ten Re: top 10 tzadik releases Re: top 10 tzadik releases Re: threadgill update, at last Re: top ten stravinsky on disc strav conducts stravinsky pt2 Re: top ten Re: top ten Schlip extravaganza (was top 10 tzadik) Re: Schlip extravaganza (was top 10 tzadik) Re: Schlip extravaganza (was top 10 tzadik) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:02:42 EST From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: top ten >>in a more broad sense, what are all of your favorite albums.....top ten, any genre. the albums that are absolutely essential to you as fans... Beatles - Abbey Road Cardiacs - Sing to God Xenakis - Kraanerg Stevie Wonder - Innervisions Keith Jarrett - Facing You Zappa - Uncle Meat Elliott Carter - Symphonia: Sum Fluxae Pretium Spei Morton Feldman - For Samuel Beckett Jimi Hendrix - Axis, Bold as Love Miles Davis - Complete at Live at Plugged Nickel Perilously close to being on 'the list': Jean Barraque -complete works, Jean Barraque - Piano Sonata (played by Herbert Henck), Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante, Xenakis - Electronic Music, anything else by Miles from '65-'75, Zappa - Lumpy Gravy, Lather, Civilization Phaze III, Morton Feldman - Trio - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:49:49 -0600 From: Craig Rath Subject: Re: top ten At 07:02 PM 2/27/01 EST, you wrote: > in a more broad sense, what are all of your favorite albums.....top ten, any > genre. the albums that are absolutely essential to you as fans... > Always tough to narrow it down that much, so I tried to cover all the bases (not necessarily in any order): King Crimson - Starless and Bible Black Keiji Haino - I Said, This is the Son of Nihilism Keith Jarrett- The Sun Bear Concerts Steely Dan - The Royal Scam Julian Cope - Peggy Suicide Naked City - Torture Garden Dire Straits - Love Over Gold Luna - Bewitched Gary Numan - Dance Brian Eno - Another Green World And since it's so tough, I had to make a second list that are almost as essential: Nurse With Wound - Who Can I Turn To Stereo? Trashcan Sinatras - Cake The Sundays - Reading, Writing and Arithmetic Tangerine Dream - Rubycon The Wedding Present - Seamonsters Rush - Hemispheres Loren Mazzacane Connors & Alan Licht - Two Nights Pink Floyd - Ummagumma Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans Moraz & Bruford - Music for Piano and Drums Honorable mentions: Talk Talk - Colour of Spring Stone Roses - Stone Roses Frank Zappa - You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore Vol. 2 David Sylvian - Secrets of the Beehive Gate - The Dew Line Robyn Hitchcock - I Often Dream of Trains Angelo Badalamenti - Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me Michael Brook - Live at the Aquarium Bauhaus - Mask XTC - English Settlement That should cover most of my moods. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:07:53 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= Subject: Re: top ten 1. Faith No More - Angel Dust 2. Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante 3. Type O Negative - October Rust 4. Naked City 5. Black Sabbath Vol. 4 6. Dream Theater - Awake 7. S.O.D. - Speak English or Die 8. Slayer - Reign in Blood 9. Kyuss - Sky Valley 10. Peter Thomas - Raumpatrouille It's not as broad, but what the fuck. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:15:35 -0800 From: "s~Z" Subject: Re: top ten Well it's been three years since the list did this. I still have all of the Top 20 lists people posted in April of 1998. I don't think I'll save these. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:20:14 -0800 From: "s~Z" Subject: Blast From The Past - -----Original Message----- From: peter_risser@cinfin.com To: zorn-list@xmission.com Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 1:13 PM Subject: Final Tally The top 40 Artists in the John Zorn countdown are as follows: 62 Davis, Miles 59 Zorn, John 46 Naked City 44 Coltrane, John 39 Coleman, Ornette 39 Zappa, Frank (including Mothers) 23 King Crimson 22 Beatles 22 Mingus, Charles 22 Waits, Tom 16 Masada 16 Mr. Bungle 15 Captain Beefheart 15 Eno, Brian (including Fripp/Eno and Byrne/Eno) 14 Reich, Steve 13 Bailey, Derek (including w/ Ruins) 13 Frisell, Bill 13 Stravinksy, Igor 12 Material 12 Sonic Youth 11 Ayler, Albert 11 Bach 11 Dolphy, Eric 11 Kronos Quartet (including items listed under composer, but they were mentioned as players) 11 Taylor, Cecil (including the Feel Trio and Unit) 10 Berne, Tim (including Bloodcount and Chaos Totale) 10 Boredoms 10 Braxton, Anthony 10 Cage, John 10 Faith No More 10 Glass, Philip 10 The various forms of P-Funk (including Funkadelic (6), Parliament (1) and GC and PFunk AllStars (1)) 9 Fall 9 Hendrix, Jimi 8 Art Ensemble of Chicago 8 Can 8 Pere Ubu 8 Sharrock, Sonny 8 Sun Ra 8 Velvet Underground (including Nico) 7 Aphex Twin 7 Branca, Glenn 7 Costello, Elvis 7 Monk, Thelonius 7 Varese, Edgard 7 Xenakis, Iannis Notice Miles Davis beats out Zorn, but only barely. Also, if you wrap Naked CIty and Masada back into Zorn, as some of his other projects have been, he tops the charts with a whopping 121 mentions, nearly twice as many as Davis. Which makes sense, considering the concept behind the list. The top 23 Albums you oughta own or at least run out and buy right now: 23 Naked City - Naked City 17 Davis, Miles - Kind of Blue 15 Zorn, John - Bar Kokhba 12 Coleman, Ornette - Beauty Is a Rare Thing 12 Coltrane, John - A Love Supreme 11 Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante 10 Beatles - White Album 10 Naked City - Torture Garden 9 Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica 9 Coleman, Ornette - The Shape of Jazz to Come 9 Dolphy, Eric - Out to Lunch 8 Davis, Miles - Bitches' Brew 7 Ayler, Albert - Spiritual Unity 7 Davis, Miles - In A Silent Way 7 Naked City - Radio 7 Reich, Steve - Music for 18 Musicians 6 King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic 6 Masada - Alef 6 Sharrock, Sonny - Ask the Ages 6 Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation 6 Waits, Tom - Rain Dogs 6 Zappa, Frank - Weasels Ripped My Flesh 6 Zorn, John - Spy vs. Spy then, 27 more for the top 50: 5 Dylan, Bob - Blood on the Tracks 5 Eno, Brian - Another Green World 5 Faith No More - King For a Day 5 Material - Seven Souls 5 Mingus, Charles - Presents Charles Mingus 5 Mr. Bungle - Mr. Bungle 5 Stravinksy, Igor - Rite Of Spring 5 Waits, Tom - Bone Machine 5 Zorn, John - Elegy 5 Zorn, John - News for Lulu 4 Aphex Twin - Saw II 4 Beach Boys - Pet Sounds 4 Beatles - Revolver 4 Coleman, Ornette - Free Jazz 4 Davis, Miles - Pangaea 4 Faith No More - Angel Dust 4 Frisell, Bill - Have A Little Faith 4 Glass, Philip - Einstein on the Beach 4 King Crimson - Discipline 4 King Crimson - Red 4 Primus - Frizzle Fry 4 Soft Machine - Third 4 Waits, Tom - Frank's Wild Years 4 Waits, Tom - Swordfishtrombones 4 Xenakis, Iannis - La Legende D'Eer 4 Zappa, Frank - Uncle Meat 4 Zorn, John - Spillane Polls are now closed. Eat up! Peter - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:22:02 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: top ten No particular order: Miles Davis -- Kind of Blue (the culprit that started this whole jazz thing for me) Elvis Costello -- King of America John Zorn -- Bar Kohkba Beatles -- White Album Rollins Band -- Hard Volume Bob Dylan -- Highway 61 Revisited Clash -- London Calling Thelonious Monk -- Solo Monk Hank Williams -- Complete Recordings (do box sets count as one?) Roger Waters -- Amusing Ourselves to Death This is how I feel today. Tomorrow it could contain all jazz or all classical or all Elvis Costello or all Beatles or all Zappa or a bunch of metal/punk albums I listened to as a teenager. Listed, Tom ________________________________________________ The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage perhaps in music, because that art contains no material to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value, and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses. --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:27:55 -0500 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: top ten on 2/27/01 8:07 PM, A at Enfermo@rocketmail.com wrote: Only ten? Tough to narrow it down, but here it goes, revealing my retro taste. In no particular order... Tom Waits: Swordfish Trombone Charlie Parker: Dial Masters Johnny Cash: Sun Years Miles Davis: Kind of Blue The Clash: London Calling Blind Willie Johnson: (can't recall the title offhand, the Yazoo collection) John Coltrane: The Classic Quartet Jerry Jerry and the Sons of Rhythm Orchestra: Battle Hymn of the Apartment Sex Pistols: Never Mind the Bollocks Duke Ellington: Time-Life Collection ...until the next time I'm asked. - --Mike - -- - - ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2001 18:20:38 -0800 From: Dan Given Subject: Re: top 10 tzadik releases > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:48:25 -0500 > From: Brian Olewnick > Subject: Re: top 10 tzadik releases.. > > Hmmm...ten non-Zorn Tzadiks that I enjoy a lot are: > List cut out > Brian Olewnick > > NP - Silent Block - #1 Just want to say that I love this album! And ask if I'm the only person on the list who doesn't even own 10 Tzadik releases, Zorn or non? Dan (NP - Parker/Guy/Lytton/Schlippenbach/Lovens - 2x3=5) Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:41:24 +1100 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: top 10 tzadik releases > And ask if I'm the only person on the list who doesn't even own 10 Tzadik > releases, Zorn or non? I do own more than 10, but when I just looked through them I couldn't really find 10 that would do justice to a "Top 10 Tzadik" list. My favourites would be Eyvind Kang's "7 NADEs", Naftule's Dream's "Search For The Golden Dreydl" and Ruins' "Hyderomastgroningem"... The obligatory "honourable mention" would go to David Krakauer's 2 albums and Marc Ribot's "Shoe String Symphonettes"... - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:31:41 -0500 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: threadgill update, at last on 1/26/01 8:23 AM, Andreas Dietz at andreasdietz@hotmail.com puffed unimpressively: > great idea! I=B4m searching for a thread-disco for a long time. here are th= e > items of my collection (details will follow if necessary): Okay, excuse cross-post, why would anyone care, etc: The list is mostly compiled: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/THREADGILL.disc.html Titles listed so far are most of Threadgill leaders, some others. I'll be fleshing out two other lists of side-man discs the next four days. Need major holes plugged. Anyone who loves data entry, or running copies of album liners on copier machines, is welcome to help. I've put the "format" below. Either *straight* text, or for those bold and beautiful among you, text in coded *HTML* slots. Not hard to figure out (is it Davey???) STRAIGHT::: 93.06.26 (date) Crispell / Guy / Hemingway Trio: Cascades (artist: title) Music & Arts CD-853 (CD) 1995 (label, issue #, media, release date June 26, 1993 (date) Western Front Lodge (venue) du Marier, Ltd. International Jazz Festival Vancouver (event if given) Vancouver, B.C., CAN (place) 1.Ricochet (Crispell) [15:40] (title, composer, time) 2.Violet Sparks in Soft Air [6:40] 3.Resonances [5:19] 4.Cascades [28:48] 5.Shadow Play [3:13] [All compositions Marilyn Crispell] (if true, otherwise this line is killed and comps go above...) Marilyn Crispell (piano) (personnel) Barry Guy (bass) Gerry Hemingway (drums; vibes; gamelan) {Primary Source: CD-853} (like it says.) - ---OR--- HTML::: (exactly as shown, an anal enterprise if ever there was one...)
93.06.26

Crispell / Guy / Hemingway Trio: Cascades

Music & Arts CD-853 (CD) 1995

June 26, 1993
Western Front Lodge
du Marier, Ltd. International Jazz Festival Vancouver
Vancouver, B.C., CAN
  1. Ricochet [15:40]
  2. Violet Sparks in Soft Air [6:40]
  3. Resonances [5:19]
  4. Cascades [28:48]
  5. Shadow Play [3:13]
[All compositions collective]

Marilyn Crispell (piano)
Barry Guy (bass)
Gerry Hemingway (drums; vibes; gamelan)

{Primary Source: CD-853}

- ----- Keep me advised on any activity, and I'll keep us all from drowning in redundancy. Hope to post photos this weekend also. Ooh-la-la, R ---------- Sessionographies: CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies: COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; WORKMAN. Also: --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., all at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/LUCILLE/splash.html =20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:59:25 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: top ten In a message dated Tue, 27 Feb 2001 7:04:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nudeants@aol.com includes the following album that embodies the description "classic": << Cardiacs - Sing to God >> Nice to see another Cardiacs fan here. This album is so friggin' amazing it escapes words. Why the HELL Cardiacs isn't mentioned in the same breath as Zappa, Beatles, Zorn, etc., is as criminal as Britney winning awards for her vocal talents. Okay...(breathe)...I'm better now. - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:04:34 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: stravinsky on disc hi guys, in case youre not familiar with it, sony has a stravinsky pkg called "the LP collection," as theyve done for glenn gould. it's all the original LPs in mini LP replica jackets w labels etc... also LP timings. midprice i think mebbe 11 discs. still short of the big box. and it doesnt say SBM remaster on em as it does the gould set. was gonna'buy em but since i do have all the LPs in fine sound... also- dutton labs has a reissue series (dist. harmonia mundi usa) that Lists at $6/98/disc and one is ansermet's petrouchka + sym of psalms . just bought it but havent listened yet. always love ansermet's conducting and dutton does great transfers usually, this series taken from 1940s decca ffrr. steve koenig laFolia.com In a message dated 2/27/01 12:11:39 PM, you wrote: < > I believe Boulez's recording of "Rite" is available on CD since it is/was easily one of the best-sellers in the edition. Not sure of the catalog number. > I really doubt they are going to remaster the Stravinsky edition anytime soon. Which is a real shame, as those recordings are one of the monuments of recording industry - quite a rare initiative to record a living's artist entire works...>> - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:08:13 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: strav conducts stravinsky pt2 In a message dated 2/27/01 12:11:39 PM, you wrote: << a rare initiative to record a living's artist entire works.>> beside the cbs/sony, theres also a 5cd box on french Vogue, some of it also on a 2cd EMI set, of stravinsky doing himself recorded 1928-1938 in europe. steve k. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:12:26 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: top ten In a message dated Tue, 27 Feb 2001 8:17:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, "s~Z" writes: << Well it's been three years since the list did this. I still have all of the Top 20 lists people posted in April of 1998. I don't think I'll save these. I think it irratated more than a few people too, due to the amount of mail it created. Looks like trouble again...;-) - -- =dg= - - >> - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:38:51 -0500 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: top ten on 2/27/01 10:12 PM, Dgasque@aol.com at Dgasque@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated Tue, 27 Feb 2001 8:17:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, "s~Z" > writes: > > << Well it's been three years since the list did this. I still have all > of the Top 20 lists people posted in April of 1998. I don't think I'll > save these. > > I think it irratated more than a few people too, due to the amount of mail it > created. Looks like trouble again...;-) It's more interesting to me than *any* discussion of Mike Patton. - --Mike - -- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:47:54 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Schlip extravaganza (was top 10 tzadik) - --- Dan Given wrote: > (NP - Parker/Guy/Lytton/Schlippenbach/Lovens - > 2x3=5) Whoa...what is this? Is this new? What label is it on? Yum, yum. - ----s, owns about 20 Tzadiks, likes about half __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:59:00 -0500 From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: Schlip extravaganza (was top 10 tzadik) >> (NP - Parker/Guy/Lytton/Schlippenbach/Lovens - >> 2x3=5) >Whoa...what is this? Is this new? What label is it >on? Yum, yum. It's new on Leo. My review copy arrived yesterday so it's just out or due very soon. A 1999 date. LT - ------------------------------------------- Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:10:53 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: Schlip extravaganza (was top 10 tzadik) - --- Lang Thompson wrote: > >> (NP - Parker/Guy/Lytton/Schlippenbach/Lovens - > >> 2x3=5) > It's new on Leo. My review copy arrived yesterday > so it's just out or due > very soon. A 1999 date. Thanks, Lang. I wonder if this is the recording from the Nickelsdorf (sp?) Konfrontation? Somehow I remember reading a mixed review of the performance, too many cooks, etc. I'd love to know if it's special. And has anyone heard that SWINGIN' THE BIM (FMP) by the Schlip3? I suppose it's self-evident how it might sound, but wasn't planning on shelling unless the performance was top-notch and the recording quality was thumbs up. Best to all, - ----s NP: Francois Bayle - VIBRATIONS COMPOSEES/GRANDE POLYPHONIE (INA-GRM) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #305 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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