From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #306 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, February 28 2001 Volume 03 : Number 306 In this issue: - RE: Schlip extravaganza (was top 10 tzadik) Music For Children 2 (was: Re: Zorn Top 10) top 10 fav. artists/bram RE: top 10 tzadik releases Re: FRED FRITH recommendations Odp: top ten Odp: stravinsky on disc Odp: strav conducts stravinsky pt2 top ten/tzadik tops top ten/tzadik tops Re: top ten Re: top ten Re: top 10 fav. artists/bram Seattle Chamber Players: Music of John Zorn RE: top ten RE: new to list/Painkiller Re: top ten RE: top 10 tzadik releases ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:19:35 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Schlip extravaganza (was top 10 tzadik) And a damned fine 1999 date, at that. I'm pretty darn impressed with this one so far... a good blowing session for Evan, not full-blown all the time, but nicely shaded. The sound is much better than I'd expected, which is an added bonus - Guy sounds very clear, and the two drummers are spearated left and right. One of the stronger issues I've heard this year, I think. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Emerson Quartet, Shostakovich, String Quartet No. 1 (DG) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Lang Thompson Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:59 PM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Schlip extravaganza (was top 10 tzadik) >> (NP - Parker/Guy/Lytton/Schlippenbach/Lovens - >> 2x3=5) >Whoa...what is this? Is this new? What label is it >on? Yum, yum. It's new on Leo. My review copy arrived yesterday so it's just out or due very soon. A 1999 date. LT - ------------------------------------------- Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:05:13 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Music For Children 2 (was: Re: Zorn Top 10) Orangejazz@aol.com wrote: >>I thought the first Music For Children album >>was great..could've lived with >>out the second. I was at first also a bit disappointed with the 2nd Music For Children release. But now I think this CD is worth the money just for Ribot's guitar on "Blues For Tiki" and Zorn's sax on track 10 (can't recall the title). >>my top ten : God - I don't think I could ever possibly make up my mind! ;-) patRice np: Air Frog, Bon Voyage, Svek nr: Eiji Yoshikawa, Taiko, Kodansha recent videos I dig: Horicho, Tattoworld of Horicho, Keibunsha - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:58:16 +0100 From: "The initials B.S." Subject: top 10 fav. artists/bram Well I have not earned my right to speak here yet: Still I’ll send you my favourite artists & albums(in any order): Diamanda Galas: Vena Cava Lydia Lunch: Crimes Against Nature La Lupe: La Ley Del Deseo John Cage: Early Works; For the Prepared Piano The Cranes: Forever Painkiller: Execution Ground Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan: Dust to Gold David Hudson: Woolunda Serge Gainsbourg: Love on the beat Lydia Mendoza: Vida Mia Ciau! Bram _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:22:00 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: top 10 tzadik releases - -And ask if I'm the only person on the list who doesn't even --own 10 Tzadik releases, Zorn or non? - ---------------- I HAVE ELEVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whoa, I didn't knwo I had so much :-) 10 Zorn (Naked CIty, Painkiller) albums and 1 DAVID SLUSSER!!!!!! Neil H. Enet - ------------ NP. JAMES - millionaires - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:20:16 -0500 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: FRED FRITH recommendations At 03:57 PM 2/27/01 -0000, Arthur Gadney wrote: > >Fred is reading himself? Never heard him do that before! How does it work? >Is it actuall Cage anecdotes, or also "tributes"? Yes, Fred is reading, and I believe the texts are from Cage's book Silence. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com How old would you be if you didn't know how old you were? - -- Satchel Paige - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:31:09 +0100 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: top ten Here goes my Top 10 (no particular order) 1. The Igor Stravinsky Edition 2. The whole Miles Davis from ESP to Pangaea 3. Naked City Absinthe & Torture Garden 4. Zorn's Filmowrks I, II, and VIII 5. Straivinsky's The Rake's Progress by Gardiner, Terfel, von Otter, York, Bostridge, etc (DG) 6. Zappa's Make a Jazz Noise here 7. King Crimson from lizard to three of a perfect pair 8. Frisell Live 9. Sraivinsky Rite of spring by Boulez and Cleveland orchestra (new DG version) 10 brian eno early pop albums (here come the warm jets, Taking Tiger Mountain, Another Green world - the best one - and Before and after science) No Fred Frith? That's quite surprising... - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:36:08 +0100 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: stravinsky on disc - ----- Original Message ----- From: > also- dutton labs has a reissue series (dist. harmonia mundi usa) > that Lists at $6/98/disc > and one is ansermet's petrouchka + sym of psalms > . just bought it but havent listened yet. Let me know what it is like when you listen to it... - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:37:30 +0100 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: strav conducts stravinsky pt2 - ----- Original Message ----- From: > beside the cbs/sony, > theres also a 5cd box on french Vogue, > some of it also on a 2cd EMI set, > of stravinsky doing himself recorded 1928-1938 in europe. Yes, but the older recording suffer quite seriously on the technical side. The CBS recordings are really good. Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:47:37 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: top ten/tzadik tops Well, an all-time top ten in such a difficult mental work but let's give it a try: John Coltrane: "Olé" John Zorn: "Spillane" Naked City: "Naked City" Tom Waits: "The Black Rider" Tom Waits: "Frank's Wild Years" Marc Ribot: "shoe string symphonettes" Sonic YOuth: "Dirty" Mr. Bungle: "Disco Volante" Frank Zappa: "Hot Rats" Faith No More: "Angel Dust" non-Zorn Tzadik top ten: Marc Ribot: "Shoe string symphonettes" David Slusser: "Delight at the end of the tunnel" Susie Ibarra: "flower after flower" Ikue Mori: "one hundred aspects of the moon" Anthony Coleman: "Sephardic Tinge" Ned Rothenberg: "Ghost Stories" David Krakauer: "Klezmer Madness" Fred Frith: "eye to ear" Steve Beresford: "Cue Sheets" Tim Sparks: "Tanz" I know I'll regret these lists as soon as I get home... 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Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:51:57 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: top ten/tzadik tops Well, an all-time top ten in such a difficult mental work but let's give it a try: John Coltrane: "Olé" John Zorn: "Spillane" Naked City: "Naked City" Tom Waits: "The Black Rider" Tom Waits: "Frank's Wild Years" Marc Ribot: "shoe string symphonettes" Sonic YOuth: "Dirty" Mr. Bungle: "Disco Volante" Frank Zappa: "Hot Rats" Faith No More: "Angel Dust" non-Zorn Tzadik top ten: Marc Ribot: "Shoe string symphonettes" David Slusser: "Delight at the end of the tunnel" Susie Ibarra: "flower after flower" Ikue Mori: "one hundred aspects of the moon" Anthony Coleman: "Sephardic Tinge" Ned Rothenberg: "Ghost Stories" David Krakauer: "Klezmer Madness" Fred Frith: "eye to ear" Steve Beresford: "Cue Sheets" Tim Sparks: "Tanz" I know I'll regret these lists as soon as I get home... Best regards, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:13:11 -0000 From: "The Eternal Handbag. The Eternal Handbag." Subject: Re: top ten Mike Westbrook - Metropolis Sarah Vaughan - After Hours Paul Bley - Open, To Love John Zorn - Aporias Dick Twardzik - Improvisations Nick Drake - Pink Moon Mike Osborne - Border Crossing John McLaughlin - Extrapolation Anthony Braxton - For Alto Michael Finnissy - English Country Tunes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:16:12 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: top ten How 'bout it's more interesting than *any * music of Mike Patton? Top 10s change with the years, but let me note three sessions which have stood the test of time and deserve to be in *every* thinking music person's collection. Very simple: Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus (Candid) The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - Charles Mingus (Impulse!) Mingus Ah Um -- Charles Mingus(Columbia) Ken Waxman - --- Mike Chamberlain wrote: > > I think it irratated more than a few people too, > due to the amount of mail it > > created. Looks like trouble again...;-) > > It's more interesting to me than *any* discussion of > Mike Patton. > > --Mike _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:01:05 -0800 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: top 10 fav. artists/bram > Lydia Mendoza: Vida Mia Totally essential! skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:06:19 -0800 From: hatta Subject: Seattle Chamber Players: Music of John Zorn Last Sunday, John Zorn was in town for a performance of his music by the Seattle Chamber players. Here is the complete program information followed by a short review of the performance. - - - - -- - - - Seattle Chamber Players: Music of John Zorn 02.25.01 Benaroya Hall Cat O' Nine Tails (String Quartet) Shibboleth (Violin, Viola, Cello, Percussion and harpsichord) Selections from Masada Mahashav (Piano, Clarinet, Flute) Sheloshim (Flute) Abidan (Piano, Clarinet, Flute) Tannaim (Piano, Clarinet, Flute, Percussion) - -Intermission- Music for Children (Violin, Percussion and Piano) Improvisation (John Zorn, Alto Saxophone) Kol Nidre (Clarinet Quartet) - - - - -- - - - Seattle Chamber Players: David Sabee: Cellist Laura DeLica: Clarinet Mikhail Schmidt: Violin Paul Taub: Flute Guest Musicians: Meade Crane: Harpsichord, Piano (Music for Children) Joseph Gottesman: Viola Matthew Kocmieroski: Percussion Denise Lum: Clarinet Campbel MacDonald: Clarinet Jennifer Nelson: Clarinet Amy Rubin: Piano (Selections from Masada) Alastair Willis (Conductor, Shibboleth) Jeannie Wells Yablonsky: Violin - --- The Seattle Chamber Players (SCP) with John Zorn played in the Nordstrom Recital Hall in Seattle's new Benaroya Hall. The Recital Hall is considerable smaller than the main hall, only seating 540 people, but was more or less sold out. The acoustics there are fantastic, none of the performers were amplified and it was all crystal clear even in the rear where I was. I had seen Horvitz 4+1+4 (the additional four being the SCP) here about a year ago from about the 6th row and I can saw that the clarity from the rear was just as good. Only a volume difference, which proved to be advantageous for the sonic assault of the Zorn Improvisation. 'Cat O' Nine Tails' opened the show. A fantastic piece that I had seen Kronos play just nine months ago (with Masada playing the same event the day before, a good year in Seattle for Zorn fans). The Kronos performance was superior overall than the SCP performance, but in all fairness Zorn did compose CONT for Kronos, and they have played it many times. The SCP warmed up to the piece quite a bit about half way through, and from that point on the performance was perfectly acceptable. Following CONT was 'Shibboleth' which was new to me (as was pretty much the rest of the nights repertoire). This tune featured very subtle harpsichord and the first of several tunes to feature the fantastic percussion of Matthew Kocmieroski. During this piece Matthew shuffled cards and broke small sticks, as well as playing an assortment of tuned cymbals and standard percussion drums and such. This piece was very quite and subdued, but totally engaging. It was the only one where I wish I was a little closer to the action in order to capture more details. For the first two pieces Zorn sat in the far left seat of the front row, but for the 'Selections from Masada' he came onto stage and sat on the floor in front of the Flautist and Clarinetist. The piano was to the left and the percussionist only played on the last tune. Zorn somewhat subtly conducted the performance, and perhaps directed some improvisation. I am not very familiar with the Masada Songbook and only the last number sounded familiar to me. I thought that it was clear though that Zorn was very engaged in this translation of this music to this medium. I'm not entirely sure if it was the 2nd or 3rd tune that was solo flute, but I really liked that piece quite a bit. The final included the percussionist, playing only a hand drum. 'Music for Children' was easily my favorite piece of the evening. The percussion work was fantastic. Kocmieroksi beat on a vinyl stool with a bamboo switch, poured rice or gravel onto cymbals, snapped thin wood in half, played BB's in bowls, played tuned Chinese gongs and the usual percussion drums and cymbals. The timing and interaction of the percussion and the piano and violin was incredible. The piece was dark (music for abused children as a friend put it) but very complex and completely engaging. I will most certainly seek out the recording of this piece. Next up was the only performance of Zorn this evening. He walked on stage wearing camo pants (the same as when I saw Masada) with a box of spare reeds. He then proceeded to deliver a continuous sonic assault punctuated only by two changes of reeds. This is really hard to describe but it was loud, multitonal and very powerful. I would say that Zorn played about 15-20 min total including a long segment muting the sax on his thigh. I found this blistering assault to be a refreshing change to the restraint the other peices displayed. Plus it was amusing to see the season ticket holders cupping there ears and even a few walkouts. Those that left missed a great piece featuring four clarinetists. A small clarinet, two normal size and a bass clarinet was the instrumentation. The piece was very nice, classical with a swing/Klezmer feel to it. A nice capper to the evening. So all in all a great nice of good music in a beautiful hall. The only disappointment was that original listings had Zorn leading one of his game pieces 'Rugby'. As a big fan of the game pieces I was looking forward to this. I don't know why it wasn't performed. - -Robert - -- - - - - "When stargazing in South Florida, be sure to steer clear of territory controlled by Jack Horkheimer." -The Onion - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:43:04 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: top ten Here's my TOP 10 list in no particular order: DAVID BOWIE: ziggy stardust JULEE CRUISE: floating into the night NICK DRAKE: five leaves left GRANT GREEN: idle moments MORRISSEY: vauxhall and i MY BLOODY VALENTINE: loveless PLACEBO: without you i'm nothing SUEDE: dog man star JOHN ZORN: naked city TWIN PEAKS: FIRE WALK WITH ME Neil H. Enet - ------------ NP. JAMES - millionaires - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:43:01 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: new to list/Painkiller - -Is information of this album and it's content/music available -on the - -internet? How do you people feel about this work? - -I will be around for a while cause I am very interested in -his music. There - -is still a lot for me to discover... - -Ciau and thanks! - -Bram - ----------------------------------- PAINKILLER is to me an excellent group, and EXECUTION GROUND is a great album. Now, do you have the EXECUTION GROUND or the COMPLETE STUDIO RECORDINGS (they both get confused since the COMPLETE COLLECTION has the EXECUTION GROUND album cover). Anyway, I think it's very good, specially the whole mix of free jazz, grindocre, dub, ambient ... it's just very intense. I think one of the best places in the internet to read about the album is from this excellent BILL LASWELL discography: http://www.geocities.com/slntwtchr/laswell/ Also, check the TZADIK website (www.tzadik.com) for info on this and other ZORN albums. Well, welcome to the list ... and enjoy your stay!!!! Neil H. Enet - ------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:32:21 -0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: top ten > > And what would all you veteran Zornfans clasify as your top ten favorite > recordings? In no particular order, here are my top ten favourite albums: 1. John Cage 'Ten' 2. Sammy Davis Jr. 'Ten Best Golden Greats' 3. Elvis Costello 'Ten Bloody Marys & Ten How's Your Fathers' 4. Buddy Guy 'Ten Blue Fingers' 5. Prince Buster 'Ten Commandments' 6. Mono Men 'Ten Cool Ones' 7. 10CC '10CC' 8. Various '10% File Under Burroughs' 9. Ten Wheel Drive 'Ten Wheel Drive' 10. Ruth Etting 'Ten Cents A Dance' Peace Out! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:24:44 -0700 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: top 10 tzadik releases >And ask if I'm the only person on the list who doesn't even own 10 >Tzadik releases, Zorn or non? I probably rank pretty low on the Tzadik valued customer list. I own three: Dreyblatt "animal Magnetism" Yoshihide "Cathode" and Erik Friedlander "the Watchman" pretty sorry eh? Matt Wirzbicki - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #306 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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