From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #348 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, March 22 2001 Volume 03 : Number 348 In this issue: - If I like Abisinth....reccomendations Re: ghost Re: cardiacs/ghost Re: Bellmer Re: PiL (again) Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) Re: Phlegm pollini/stockhausen premiere: klavierstuck w/ring modulator Re: PiL (again) Re: PiL (again) Wynton as peace envoy Re: If I like Abisinth....reccomendations Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) RE: PiL (again) - LONG RE: ordinary fanfares playlist #2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:45:37 +1050 From: "Case" Subject: If I like Abisinth....reccomendations I was wondering if anyone had any reccomendation for music like abisinth, Case - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:40:29 -0500 From: "matt krefting" Subject: Re: ghost >has anyone heard of "Ghost"? ...some sort of psychedelic band. japanese unit led by masaki batoh. really one of my favorite bands in the world. smoke-filled acid folk in the "paradieswarts duul" vein w/ maybe more of a rock flavor. basically, any record is a good starting place, but i would say go w/ the first s/t, or the 2nd "second time around." the first is full of more chanting/haunting type folk stuff while the second tends to rock a little more. "lamararabirabi" shows both these sides pretty well, too, if you want to go there. all releases available on drag city. highly recommended.. mk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:43:09 EST From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: cardiacs/ghost In a message dated 3/21/01 5:29:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, ObviousEye@aol.com writes: << if i were to buy a Cardiacs record today, what should it be? as an introduction to the group... >> _Songs for Ships and Irons_ << and: has anyone heard of "Ghost"? ...some sort of psychedelic band. thanks for input/info. >> The Japanese outfit by that name, I assume. I've got their first _s/t_'ed CD. Acoustic folky psych, from what I remember. Can't say I've played it much. - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:35:23 -0800 From: Tosh Subject: Re: Bellmer The two books I have seen have a great deal of text - so it is not all images. I am sorry that I can't give out more detail. Although the covers are pretty! > - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:43:13 -0800 From: Tosh Subject: Re: PiL (again) >> > Don't think this is a PiL album, Lydon went to Jamaica a few times to feed > his love for roots dub, and I think he had a hand in getting some reggae > albums released in the U.K. Best PiL albums are: > Metal Box(aka Second Edition), 1st (Public Image Limited), Flowers Of > Romance (though not everyone agrees!), Album (or Compact Disc). > > > -I totally agree with Thomas' opinion with respect to PiL. So I second that emotion. - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:38:12 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) Rick Lopez wrote: > > patRice > > > > P.S.: Sorry to those of you who find our little exchange silly... > > au contraire, it's making me wet... > > rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr > ---------- dirty little you - naughty, naughty... ;-) patRice np: Frank Sinatra with Count Basie - Sinatra At The Sands nr: Horihide, Horihide's World - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:26:12 +1100 From: "Josephine Yeatman or Jim Glaspole" Subject: Re: Phlegm I just received three digests in one bash so I apologise for the staleness of this post. I released the first Phlegm CD on Dr Jim's Records. It was about six or seven years ago. It was pretty immature release but groundbreaking as far as the Australian musicscene goes. As many young bands do with first releases they tried to cram their entire aesthetic into one disc. They were capable of doing some of the most berserk live shows I've ever seen partly due to the works of singer/performer Nik Kamvissis aka Rizili. Oren has mellowed under various influences. Stacte 1 is two nice long solo guitar pieces, vinyl only and self-released on Oren's own Jerker label in insanely small quantities (100 or 150?). I don't have Stacte 2 (and therefore probably never will) or Stacte 3(yet). Oren and Nik still do some of the most enjoyable exuberant "rock" shows about in the Menstruation Sisters and I believe their CD "MA" is a masterpiece (but brutal confronting noisy and extremely raw). They tell me they are about to release their best stuff yet on another local label. I have about 100 Phlegm CDs in my roof that I am happy to do mailorder on. Contact Nik (rizili@hotmail.com) for Menstruation Sisters. Jim Glaspole (www.ozemail.com.au/~drjim) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:59:33 EST From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: pollini/stockhausen premiere: klavierstuck w/ring modulator In a message dated 3/21/01 12:05:38 PM, Scott wrote: << Since we'd talked about Schoenberg and Pollini recently: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/21/arts/21NOTE.html Did any of you NYers go see any of these concerts? Sounds excellent.>> Hi Scott, I wasn't able to access this article, but I saw most of the Boulez & Pollinis. I was absolutely dumbstruck by his perfs of the stockhausen klav-stucke 4 & 9; the latter in a world premiere version for piano with ring-modulator. I discovered half-way through the piece it was actually the screech of the hearing aid of an elderly woman four seats away. My favorite usher assisted her, and got me a seat up front after intermission :) But no joke: Pollini had everyone spellbound with those pieces; not one cough or rustle. I'm still entranced. The Diabelli variations, however.... a snoozzzzzzzzzzze. Steve koenig n.p.: Sigi Finkel: African Heart ( Blue Danube Records/Edel) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:13:51 -0500 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Re: PiL (again) I think most people on this list would appreciate Metal Box aka Second Edition, esp. with Mr. Wobble so high up in the mix. I think of it as a map of interesting ideas that they sadly didn't explore enough. Pretty disturbing stuff but it's AOR compared to Flowers of Romance, which I heartily recommend if you want to piss off your neighbors (though I like it fine myself). Best, Jason - -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:58:11 EST From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Re: PiL (again) I used to use "Flowers of Romance" to end the party with..Could clear a room almost as fast as Ceil Taylor... - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:25:32 -0500 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: Wynton as peace envoy You've probably heard about this already but just in case... http://www.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/20/marsalis.un.reut/index.html Personally, I would have lived to have seen JZ or Cecil get the nod instead but I guess the U.N. doesn't dig anything that's post-bop. I do believe that Dizzy had this job years ago. I seem to remember a clip from the '50's or '60's where he holds up his trumpet and tells reporters that he's going to introduce the Russians to the 'cool weapon.' Best, Jason - -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:42:02 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: If I like Abisinth....reccomendations - --- Case wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any reccomendation for > music like abisinth, > > Case Just to venture a one suggestion (and it's been a little while since I've heard ABSINTHE): Nurse With Wound (you might ask elsewhere for rec's; maybe HOMOTOPY TO MARIE or A MISSING SENSE; dark atmospherics to raging noise/collage) - ----s ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:46:13 -0500 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) on 3/22/01 6:38 AM, patRice at postmanpat@adon.li wrote: > > > Rick Lopez wrote: > >>> patRice >>> >>> P.S.: Sorry to those of you who find our little exchange silly... >> >> au contraire, it's making me wet... >> >> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >> ---------- > > dirty little you - naughty, naughty... > > ;-) > Rick just recently got in touch with his inner slut. - --Mike - -- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:53:12 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) Mike Chamberlain wrote: > >> > >> au contraire, it's making me wet... > >> > >> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr > >> ---------- > > > > dirty little you - naughty, naughty... > > > > ;-) > > > > Rick just recently got in touch with his inner slut. > > --Mike > -- LOL Good to know... I think that is very important in one's personal development... ;-) patRice np: Hun-Huur-Tu - The Orphant's Lament nr: Eiji Yoshikawa - Taiko - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:57:23 -0500 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) on 3/22/01 10:53 AM, patRice at postmanpat@adon.li wrote: > > > Mike Chamberlain wrote: > >>>> >>>> au contraire, it's making me wet... >>>> >>>> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >>>> ---------- >>> >>> dirty little you - naughty, naughty... >>> >>> ;-) >>> >> >> Rick just recently got in touch with his inner slut. >> >> --Mike >> -- > > LOL > > Good to know... > > I think that is very important in one's personal development... > > ;-) > It's helped me a lot. Now I just need to find someone else's inner slut. - --Mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:01:15 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) Mike Chamberlain wrote: > on 3/22/01 10:53 AM, patRice at postmanpat@adon.li wrote: > > >> Rick just recently got in touch with his inner slut. > >> > >> --Mike > >> -- > > > > LOL > > > > Good to know... > > > > I think that is very important in one's personal development... > > > > ;-) > > > It's helped me a lot. Now I just need to find someone else's inner slut. > > --Mike How about getting in touch with Mr. Zorn? ;-) patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:07:00 -0500 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) on 3/22/01 11:01 AM, patRice at postmanpat@adon.li wrote: > > > Mike Chamberlain wrote: > >> on 3/22/01 10:53 AM, patRice at postmanpat@adon.li wrote: >> >>>> Rick just recently got in touch with his inner slut. >>>> >>>> --Mike >>>> -- >>> >>> LOL >>> >>> Good to know... >>> >>> I think that is very important in one's personal development... >>> >>> ;-) >>> >> It's helped me a lot. Now I just need to find someone else's inner slut. >> >> --Mike > > How about getting in touch with Mr. Zorn? ;-) > > patRice > Like others, I've tried, without success. - --Mike - -- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:15:35 +0100 From: patRice Subject: Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) Mike Chamberlain wrote: > on 3/22/01 11:01 AM, patRice at postmanpat@adon.li wrote: > > > > How about getting in touch with Mr. Zorn? ;-) > > > > patRice > > > Like others, I've tried, without success. > > --Mike > -- Well - just go up to him after a gig, I'd say. Or do you want his home address? (I have it, but wont give it to you...) patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:25:56 -0500 From: Mike Chamberlain Subject: Re: patRice & S/M (was: zorn + pedophilia) on 3/22/01 11:15 AM, patRice at postmanpat@adon.li wrote: > > > Mike Chamberlain wrote: > >> on 3/22/01 11:01 AM, patRice at postmanpat@adon.li wrote: >>> >>> How about getting in touch with Mr. Zorn? ;-) >>> >>> patRice >>> >> Like others, I've tried, without success. >> >> --Mike >> -- > > Well - just go up to him after a gig, I'd say. > > Or do you want his home address? (I have it, but wont give it to you...) > > patRice > > > - > That won't be necessary. We'll be staying at the same hotel in Victoriaville. - --Mike - -- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:52:34 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: PiL (again) - LONG I was out of town for a few days, so it's taken me a while to join in on this thread. But I couldn't let it pass by, as PiL has been too important a band to me for so many years. First, 'Live in Tokyo' was definitely post-Levene. It wasn't bad for what it was, a generic document of the 'This Is What You Want' tour. Second, I deeply envy anyone who got to hear the mighty Levene/Wobble/Atkins version of the band. Anyone hear the new disc by The Damage Manual, which came out last year on Invisible? That was Wobble and Atkins with Geordie from Killing Joke and Chris Connelly from the Ministry/RevCo/Pigface axis. Heard good things but never checked it out. Okay, here's my take, which is much like what others have said, for the most part. 'Metal Box'/'Second Edition' is the best PiL ever got, a heartbreaking work of staggering genius. 'First Edition,' for all its anti-papist bile, had its strengths, too, especially the heaven storming "Public Image," which could almost have been a Pistols song, except the chord progressions were so odd. 'Paris Au Printemps,' the first live album, had decent renditions of songs from both of the above, but is mainly notable for Lydon's threat to the audience: "If you keep spitting, I'll walk off this stage... DOG." A few moments later, you hear the mike hit the floor. Show over. 'Flowers of Romance' I have deep feelings for. It's ambitious, difficult even overblown, but it's also a very personal, thrilling, and even terrifying listen. Originally I loved it far more than even 'Second Edition.' But after that came the rift between Lydon and Levene, each of whom finished the next album alone. Lots of people swear that 'Commercial Zone,' which Levene issued in a microbatch of quasi-legit vinyl, is the great lost PiL album. It's not; it's Levene's preferred mixes of what would have been the new release, but Lydon's vocals, which were only the rough "guide" tracks, don't stand up in the mix. Perhaps that's what Levene wanted as well. 'This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get" was an okay album, but really marked the transition to the band's later, more overtly "rock" style. "This Is Not a Love Song" still kicks ass, however. Then came 'Album.' Words can't describe how much I despised this one. It was the absolute antithesis of the prior releases. I distinctly remember thinking that the guitarist was the type of player one of my heroes at the time had dubbed a "Mongolian string bender." An irony, since the musician who'd coined the phrase, Steve Vai, turned out to be the guitarist on that very record. And yes, my jaw drops as far as any when I read the list of contributors on what was in every way a Bill Laswell disc with Lydon vocals, and yes, some of the songs are very, very good, but none of that changes the sense of outrage and betrayal I felt at the time. My review in the college paper ended with a quote from "Flowers of Romance": "I can't depend on these so-called friends / It's a pity, you need to defend / I'll take the furniture, start all over again." (BTW, think it's star-studded now? Supposedly, according to Lydon, Miles Davis dropped by the studio and started playing along, telling Lydon that "I sang like he played the trumpet, which is still the best thing anyone's ever said to me.... Funnily enough, we didn't use him.") After that, they all pretty much blend together for me. I went to see the band on that tour with the "Holiday Inn pick-up band," the one that opened with the instrumental version of "Kashmir" while Lydon strutted out like a peacock. I'm sure he intended it as irony, but I found myself thinking that it was closer to truth. I drove 4 hours to see that show, and at the end I was hearing in my head the voice of Johhny Rotten onstage at Winterland in 1978: "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" That said, there have been some very strong pop tunes on the later PiL releases. "Seattle" in particular tends to stick in my head, as do "Don't Ask Me" and especially "Disappointed." How could it be otherwise with a band co-led by Lydon and John McGeoch from Magazine/Banshees, originally with Lu Edmonds from Three Mustaphas Three/Billy Bragg as well? On the other hand, how could such a band be the PiL I admired so strongly? Answer: it couldn't. Ultimately, my response to this dichotomy was to buy the 4CD box set, 'Plastic Box,' which came out on Virgin (UK only, but imports were common and cheap) a couple of years ago with very little fanfare. It's as generically packaged as 'Album' was, a basic black box with a plastic outer sleeve. It's got material from all of the studio albums (though obviously not 'Commercial Zone') plus 12" remixes, compilation tracks, BBC live material and outtakes. (I'd be happy to privately send a tracklist to anyone interested... it's not listed at Amazon or Barnes & Noble, and CDNow is selling it for nearly $70, whereas I paid $39.99 at Tower). This has all of the later stuff I'm interested in having around, some interesting leftovers from the early period, and refreshingly candid and not overly revisionist notes from Lydon. It also indicates just how badly we need a remastered version of 'Second Edition.' Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Eurythmics, "Would I Lie to You?" 'Greatest Hits' (Arista) (... girlfriend's doing her morning stretching...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:57:38 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: ordinary fanfares playlist #2 Greg, you can program my interior soundtrack ANY TIME. Really. Seriously, I missed your earlier annoucement about this series - is it webcast on the station's site? And is it a regularly scheduled program? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - cars going "whooosh" in the rain outside... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Grey ElkGel Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:58 AM To: greyelkgel@yahoo.com Subject: ordinary fanfares playlist #2 ordinary fanfares playlist #2 - march 20, 2001 wmfo 91.5fm, medford massachussetts // www.wmfo.org 1. the beach boys: the night was so young [love you CD - - capitol] 2. david behrman: runthrough [wave train CD - alga marghen] 3. vashti bunyan: diamond day [just another diamond day CD - spinney] 4. coyle & sharpe: three-ism [audio visionaries CD - thirsty ear] 5. the bill dixon orchestra: metamorphosis 1962-1966 [intents and purposes LP - rca victor] 6. kevin drumm: organ [comedy CD - moikai] 7. john frusciante: the first season [to record only water for ten days CD - warner bros.] 8. brion gysin: b [the pool k iii CD - alga marghen] 9. franz hautzinger: w.m. [gomberg CD - grob] 10. mauricio kagel: hallelujah [hallelujah LP - deutsche grammophon] 11. philus: koentsyymi/tutkat [tetra CD - sahko] 12. don rickles: some good friends [speaks LP - warner bros.] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #348 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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