From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #360 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, March 31 2001 Volume 03 : Number 360 In this issue: - Re: Hano/Haino/Brotzmann RE: Naked City live RE: Hano/Haino/Brotzmann NY Times re: Miles Re: Ruins review/Magma question Question about a Shoji Hano associate Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #359 ruins cds+haino/hano/brotz Re: Ruins Re:Magma question RE: ruins cds+haino/hano/brotz lightning bolt Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #359 Zorn BBC radio documentary webcast Re: Zorn BBC radio documentary webcast Odp: Naked City live Re: Zorn BBC radio documentary webcast RE: lightning bolt Re: Zorn BBC radio documentary webcast Re: lightning bolt Re: Hano/Haino/Brotzmann ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:48:51 -0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re: Hano/Haino/Brotzmann >From: efrén del valle >Besides that, maybe you could also recommend some >Brotzmann releases? DIE LIKE A DOG! fragments of music, life and death of ALBERT AYLER Peter Brotzmann, Toshinori Kondo, William Parker, Hamid Drake np: echoes of the Residents Icky Flix show from last night! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:52:53 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Naked City live Don't expect any Zorn-releated releases from the Knitting Factory. Andreas nicely summarized the chronology of the KF 'Cobra' deletion and its subsequent replacement with the Cora tribute. And if Zorn's still leery of working at the club, he's certainly not going to cede rights for any of his recordings. I further doubt that he'd release live versions of 'Spillane' or 'Godard' when there are perfectly serviceable and more or less identical studio recordings available. More likely that we'll eventually see live Naked City material, which has always been spoken of as an option. Of course, I'm just making this up on my general impression of Zorn's activities, which he's been know to counter from time to time... ;-) Hate to say it, but I missed the entire Miles thing due to illness. Anyone else? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com (wondering what Zorn will do for his 50th [!] birthday in 2003...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:11:29 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Hano/Haino/Brotzmann I've found the 2CD FMP pacakge 'Live in Berlin '71' to be a very satisfying set. It's reasonably early Brotz with Fred van Hove on piano, Han Bennink on drums, percussion, noisemakers and, er, Han Bennink, plus special guest Albert Mangelsdorff on trombone. A wide variety of styles and moods, and brilliant playing by all. Not at all a barrage of noise, although that's certainly part of it. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:53:26 -0800 From: "s~Z" Subject: NY Times re: Miles http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/27/arts/27MILE.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:16:23 From: "William York" Subject: Re: Ruins review/Magma question >Please post a review after the show! > >- --- end of quote --- > > >Don't know about in SF, but I saw them the other night up here in >Portland >and they weren't selling any stuff. Lemme know who opened >their set. First, thanks for the recommendations on 'Pallaschtom' -- I got it and it is pretty great. Plus, it has three of their medleys, the classical one, the hard rock one, and the prog rock one. they did all three at the show, and a couple of others too (i think). couldn't quite figure out what they were, though. For anyone else interested, 'Pallaschtom' also has 16 'real' songs too, they are not just turning into a naked city "speedfreaks"-style cover band. Yes, they were amazing. The first time I saw them -- a year and a half ago with the same bassist -- I stood there with my jaw open wide the entire set. This time I was a little more prepared, so maybe it was personally a little less awe-inspiring, but I still can't think of too many bands that compare. (Then again, that Gorguts show I saw Saturday was pretty incredible too!). Also, Mike Patton was there at the show. He watched most of it from near the front, hung around with the Ruins guys before the show, and then came up on stage to sing/scream along with them (very much Fantomas style) for four songs at the end, which they had obviously rehearsed at least a little bit, b/c it wasn't imrpov. Maybe they were older Ruins songs that I just didn't recogize? The only let down is that they didn't play 'Brixon Varamikks' (sp??). The pre-Ruins opening band was Spazi Mota or something close to that, spelling-wise. They rounded out the evening of gibberish-vocal acrobatic prog rock, although I personally wasn't too into them. The vocals reminded me of Bobby Martin from Zappa's band interpreting the Ruins style. (There were two other openers. I missed the first, and saw the second but don't remember their name.) Finally, if anyone is STILL reading, can you recommend a place to start with MAGMA?? I feel that it is time I take the plunge, having heard so much about them but only a little tiny bit of their stuff. Thanks, WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:40:40 -0500 From: Zachary Griffin Subject: Question about a Shoji Hano associate Hello,
      Yesterday I bought a Shoji Hano CD where he played with Gary Smith and Asahito Nanjo.  The disc is a pretty good rock based improv music in my opinion.  I have never heard of Gary Smith until yesterday, so I was wondering if anyone can point me to any other CD's with him playing.

Thanks
Zach Griffin  
- - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:59:19 EST From: ObviousEye@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #359 - --part1_c9.e840a54.27f63187_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/01 11:12:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: > pitch class sets what are these? ben. - --part1_c9.e840a54.27f63187_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/01 11:12:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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pitch class sets


what are these?

ben. - --part1_c9.e840a54.27f63187_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:01:44 -0500 (EST) From: alberta Subject: ruins cds+haino/hano/brotz >>>Don't know about in SF, but I saw them the other night up here in Portland and they weren't selling any stuff at times, i've seen tatsuya be quite the product-pusher. other times, he's not mentiond cds until i asked him. i've noticed that with other japanese musicians too. while some(read: nanjo)certainly ain't bashful, it seems other japanese musicians seem to wait to be asked. i've certainly benefitd from asking more than once. anyway, in nyc he had a half dozen titles. i got the new akaten and the new koenjiyaki (i know that's spelld wrong). he also had his *excellent* solo multi-multi-trackd disc 'a million years'. hano/haino/brotzman's 'shadows' is highly recommended, especially for the least known member, percussionist shoji hano. kurt - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:16:22 -0800 From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Ruins At 4:35 PM 3/29/01, Reuben Radding wrote: >At 04:17 PM 3/29/01 -0800, Ryan J. McKay wrote: > >>Don't know about in SF, but I saw them the other night up here in Portland >>and they weren't selling any stuff. Lemme know who opened their set. I >>missed the first group, but the second one Ghidra (sic) from Seattle was a >>trio of tenor sax, guitar, and drums. > > >Actually, the saxophonist in Ghidra plays alto, not tenor. He was Wally >Shoup, who plays on the Hurricane Trio recording with Thurston Moore & >Toshi Makahara, and plays with li'l ol' me in the group Lost Valentine led >by Seattle drum hero Gregg Keplinger. > >The guitarist in Ghidra is Bill Horist. A real monster player, and the >drummer is Mike Peterson who also plays in the unbelievably great band Apes >of Wrath. > >look out for 'em! Sounds like a terrific band! I saw Wally here in Corvallis (OR) with Doug Theriault(gtr) and Toshi Makahara last year, and they really burned! ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org New & Improv Media http://www.newandimprov.com Now available: Admiral Twinkle Devil: Wabi Dub ____________________________________________ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:20:15 -0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: Re:Magma question >From: "William York" >Finally, if anyone is STILL reading, can you recommend a place to start >with MAGMA?? Mekanik Destrucktiw Kommandoh Udu Wudu Live (originally released in '73) Kohntarkosz "You guys are fuckin' sick!" (Comment from a member of the audience at the Residents show.) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:28:44 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: ruins cds+haino/hano/brotz Speaking of Ruins, I just bought a new CD by a drums/vocals and bass duo called Lightning Bolt. They're based in Boston or Rhode Island, I don't know which (the label, Load, is in RI but the band is big in Boston apparently. The disc is called 'Ride the Skies,' and on one listen they strike me as very indebted to Ruins. It's pretty nice if perhaps derivative. Anyone know anything more about them? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Karl Amadeus Hartmann, Symphony No. 1 (Telarc) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:20:21 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: lightning bolt In a message dated 3/30/01 4:32:00 PM, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: << Speaking of Ruins, I just bought a new CD by a drums/vocals and bass duo called Lightning Bolt. They're based in Boston or Rhode Island, I don't know which (the label, Load, is in RI but the band is big in Boston apparently. The disc is called 'Ride the Skies,' and on one listen they strike me as very indebted to Ruins. It's pretty nice if perhaps derivative. Anyone know anything more about them? >> I've never heard them, but I know they're from Rhode Island, and they're one of the new batch of no wave bands that seem to be all the rage among NYC's "hipster" crowd. they play live here seemingly constantly, and are supposedly much better live than on record. the next show I see listed is April 7 at the Cooler. also, there's a double CD compilation of a lot of these bands coming out on Troubleman Unlimited in the next month or two. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:04:29 -0800 From: Jim Flannery Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #359 Ben schrieb: > >> pitch class sets > what are these? A larger term for what are generally referred to as "keys" or "modes" ... out of all the possible pitches in the universe, one selects a limited set -- of 12, or 7, or 5, or 22, or whatever -- with which to compose a given piece. Pitch "class" because when you select, say, "A", you select not just 440 Hz (so to speak), but 220, 880, etc. -- that is, not one "A", but all "A"s. Describing these things in terms of set theory is useful particularly for some sorts of stochastic composition, as you can think/program in terms of intersection, union, etc. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com "It's no bed of roses, let me tell you, being a mutant." -- Warren Dearden np: L'infonie, _Volume 3_ nr: Robert W. Chambers, _The Yellow Sign_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 07:46:28 -0500 From: "Alan Lankin" Subject: Zorn BBC radio documentary webcast Part I of the four-part Steve Beresford BBC doc on John Zorn is broadcast today from 2-2:30 pm EST (1800-1830 UTC). The BBC will be broadcasting parts II-IV the following three weeks. (Plug: I've started posting a schedule of jazz-related webcasts on Jazzmatazz at http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/webcasts.html.) Alan Lankin lankina@att.net http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:16:50 EST From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn BBC radio documentary webcast I encourage everyone to listen in on this if they can. I heard it last year and it's both hilarious and informative. Boppin' to Roy Campbell, Tom In a message dated 3/31/01 7:50:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, lankina@att.net writes: > Part I of the four-part Steve Beresford BBC doc on John Zorn is broadcast > today from 2-2:30 pm EST (1800-1830 UTC). The BBC will be broadcasting > parts II-IV the following three weeks. > > (Plug: I've started posting a schedule of jazz-related webcasts on > Jazzmatazz at http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/webcasts.html.) > > Alan Lankin > lankina@att.net > http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:21:42 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Odp: Naked City live - ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Smith > Don't expect any Zorn-releated releases from the Knitting Factory. Andreas Yes, that's quite clear. I was just wondering whether he haqs not sold them in the old days, so that Dorf might release them now. > I further doubt that he'd release live versions of 'Spillane' or 'Godard' > when there are perfectly serviceable and more or less identical studio > recordings available. More likely that we'll eventually see live Naked City > material, which has always been spoken of as an option. well.. i just can't believe what you say.... :-) I can't believe that it was possible to reproduce 'spillane' live. I just want to hear it. Stephen Drury wrote some time ago that 'absinthe' was performed live. that was quite a surprise. Were any of JZ's film scorers played live? (OK, just tell me that the JZ-previte-hofstra-coleman-ehrlich-frisell etc.band was performing regulary at NYC in the late eighties...) > (wondering what Zorn will do for his 50th [!] birthday in 2003...) Let us know inadvance... Marcin Gokieli marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:53:44 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Zorn BBC radio documentary webcast > > Part I of the four-part Steve Beresford BBC doc on John Zorn is >broadcast > > today from 2-2:30 pm EST (1800-1830 UTC). The BBC will be broadcasting > > parts II-IV the following three weeks. Did anybody tape this? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:39:41 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: lightning bolt I think they're at Brownies tomorrow night, actually... And dammit, are you saying that WE are no longer NYC's hipster crowd? Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of JonAbbey2@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 7:20 PM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: lightning bolt I've never heard them, but I know they're from Rhode Island, and they're one of the new batch of no wave bands that seem to be all the rage among NYC's "hipster" crowd. they play live here seemingly constantly, and are supposedly much better live than on record. the next show I see listed is April 7 at the Cooler. also, there's a double CD compilation of a lot of these bands coming out on Troubleman Unlimited in the next month or two. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:03:46 +0200 From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Antonio_Mart=EDn?= Subject: Re: Zorn BBC radio documentary webcast BBC Radio 3 broadcasted the same program last year. Yes, I have four parts in two cdr. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Gadney" To: Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Zorn BBC radio documentary webcast > > > Part I of the four-part Steve Beresford BBC doc on John Zorn is > >broadcast > > > today from 2-2:30 pm EST (1800-1830 UTC). The BBC will be broadcasting > > > parts II-IV the following three weeks. > > Did anybody tape this? > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:09:47 EST From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: lightning bolt In a message dated 3/31/01 10:41:27 AM, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: << are you saying that WE are no longer NYC's hipster crowd? >> no way, dude. didn't you see the quotation marks I put around hipster? Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:28:50 -0500 From: David Keffer Subject: Re: Hano/Haino/Brotzmann >From: >Did anybody hear the Shoji Hano, Keiji Haino & Peter >Brotzmann release on Diw? What does it sound like? -if >there are words to describe-. The Haino/Br=F6tzmann/Hano release on DIW, "Shadows", has received generally favorable press. It features a variety of tempos and sounds, allowing each member to lead the=20 ensemble at different points. The music isn't strictly dominated by any single musician, but it seems to me that, comparing it to other works, the Br=F6tzmann presence dominates. Also, it is a live recording and has the usual pros & cons associated with live records. Personally, I think that the Haino/Hano duo cd, "The Strange Face" released the same month as "Shadows", (Ultra Hard Gel Records, Sept. 2000) is a much more enjoyable listen. The Haino/Br=F6tzmann/Hano falls into my 1.5 listens category; I wanted to listen to it a second time all the way through, but just wasn't motivated enough to finish it. On the other hand,=20 "The Strange Face", I have listened to a dozen times. For reviews on "Shadows" as well as related ensembles (Haino/Hano=20 cds, Haino/Br=F6tzmann cd, Haino/Br=F6tzmann/Hayward) you=20 can check out the reviews section of the Haino site at http://www.planetc.com/users/keffer/haino/ David K. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #360 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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