From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #371 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, April 9 2001 Volume 03 : Number 371 In this issue: - Fwd: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta Keith Rowe & Alan Cohen RE: Fwd: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta re: The Gift pulled in Canada? wrap-around outer black description thingy RE: The Gift Cage/feldman AMM tour reports? Fwd: The Gift and Canada Fwd: The Gift and Canada RE: AMM tour reports? don pullen RE: don pullen Re: AMM tour reports? Re: AMM tour reports? RE: don pullen RE: AMM tour reports? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:02:18 -0500 From: Moudry Subject: Fwd: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta Brad (& Zornsters), Thanks for the correction. Just checked a few references and is is to be in the First Congregational, rather than the (usual hang-out) First Existentialists'. However, I _still_ hope to see lots of folks there. Brotzmann & Drake will be at First Congregational, but Evan Parker's solo concert at First Existentialist. Sorry for any confusion caused be conflating multiple e-mails into incorrect information. Saturnally, Joe Moudry >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:28:29 +0100 >Subject: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta >From: "Brad Kendrick" >To: Moudry , zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >no, you are wrong, the performance was listed correctly at The First >Congregational Church. This is the work of presenters Al Smith and Rev. >Dwight Andrews. > >---------- > >From: Moudry > >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta > >Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001, 4:45 PM > > > > > > >> > >>4/27 - atlanta: first congregational church brotzmann/drake > >> > > > > For clarity's sake, the Atlanta site for Brotzmann & Drake is > > > > First Existentialist Congregation > > 470 Candler Park Dr NE, > > Atlanta, GA 30307-2113 > > > > Phone: (404)378-5570 > > > > which is also where Evan Parker will do his solo performance on Saturday, > > 21 April. > > > > Hope to see some of you there. > > Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creative Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:21:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Keith Rowe & Alan Cohen Hi all: In the Keith Rowe interview in the latest Wire, he talks about his tenure in a band led by Alan Cohen in the time between leaving the Mike Westbrook Ork and before the formation of AMM. Rowe seems to have been asked to leave Westbrook, but says he found a more sympathetic spirit in Cohen who knew modern classical music. Cohen's seems to be one name that has never come up in histories of British Improvised Music. Was he a player, a band leader or a composer? Did he lead a big jazz band, a small combo, a dance band or a "jazz-rock" group? Who else played with him besides Rowe? And what is he doing now? perplexed Ken Waxman _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad Kendrick Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta Joe and all in the southeast area: just to clarify the presenting situtation in Atlanta - the use of the term "usual hang-out" is a reference to the many, many concert presentations by the Creative Music Association that established that venue in your mind as such. Those shows included artists such as: Brotzmann, Joe McPhee, Rova, Mats Gustafsson, Wolgang Fuchs, William Parker, ALLY Trio + Vandermark, Other Dem. in Music, Fred Van Hove. Later, other presenters began using the space. Al Smith and Rev. Dwight Andrews have extended the vision of that series at the First Congregational Church. Many on this list will recognize Dwight Andrews name as the same multi-reedist who has contributed significantly to the music through his own compositions and collaborations with people like Leo Smith, Braxton, Roscoe Mitchell, Anthony Davis, and others. Interestingly, it was a Brotzmann/Drake show that began in earnest the Creative Music Association's presenting series back in early 1996. Please support the Smith/Andrews vision for the music in the acoustically superlative First Congregational Church. The effort is the same, the names have merely changed. - ------Original Message------ From: Moudry To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Sent: April 6, 2001 7:02:18 PM GMT Subject: Fwd: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta Brad (& Zornsters), Thanks for the correction. Just checked a few references and is is to be in the First Congregational, rather than the (usual hang-out) First Existentialists'. However, I _still_ hope to see lots of folks there. Brotzmann & Drake will be at First Congregational, but Evan Parker's solo concert at First Existentialist. Sorry for any confusion caused be conflating multiple e-mails into incorrect information. Saturnally, Joe Moudry >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:28:29 +0100 >Subject: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta >From: "Brad Kendrick" >To: Moudry , zorn-list@lists.xmission.com >Sender: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >no, you are wrong, the performance was listed correctly at The First >Congregational Church. This is the work of presenters Al Smith and Rev. >Dwight Andrews. > >---------- > >From: Moudry > >To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: Brotz & Drake in Atlanta > >Date: Fri, Apr 6, 2001, 4:45 PM > > > > > > >> > >>4/27 - atlanta: first congregational church brotzmann/drake > >> > > > > For clarity's sake, the Atlanta site for Brotzmann & Drake is > > > > First Existentialist Congregation > > 470 Candler Park Dr NE, > > Atlanta, GA 30307-2113 > > > > Phone: (404)378-5570 > > > > which is also where Evan Parker will do his solo performance on Saturday, > > 21 April. > > > > Hope to see some of you there. > > Joe Moudry Office of Academic Computing & Technology School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz): Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creative Improv on Alabama Public Radio: WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:29:40 +0930 From: "Michael Vandelaar" Subject: re: The Gift pulled in Canada? You think that's bad ... here in Melbourne, Australia, the director's cut of 'The Exorcist' is not being shown on Good Friday as it may offend Christians. And further, no R-rated films are shown on Good Friday or Christmas Day for the same reason!!!! Michael - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 01 07:49:47 -0400 From: Karen Murphy Subject: wrap-around outer black description thingy Tom, I believe that the "wrap-around outer black description thingy" is called an obi, which accompanies all Japanese CDs and LPs. On a side note, Evan Parker is undertaking a brief US tour, including 3 dates with Susie Ibarra. T.M. Jones EVAN PARKER & SUSIE IBARRA DUO: 8pm, Tuesday, April 10th Hamman Hall, Rice University Houston, TX dovedavedove@yahoo.com 8pm, Wednesday, April 11th Ceremony Hall Austin, TX carbuncle@mail.utexas.edu 8pm, Thursday, April 12th Contemporary Arts Center New Orleans, LA anxmf@hotmail.com EVAN PARKER SOLO: 8:30pm, Monday, April 16th The Lobby St. Petersburg, FL mansond@email.spjc.cc.fl.us 8:30pm, Wednesday, April 18th Western Presbyterian Church Washington, DC artsforart@earthlink.net 8pm, Thursday, April 19th Carrboro Century Center Carrboro, NC aimjazz@altavista.net 8:30pm, Friday, April 20th Flicker Theatre Athens, GA gkmm@bellsouth.net 8:30pm, Saturday, April 21st First Existentialist Congregation Atlanta, GA euprod@aol.com 7pm, Sunday, April 22nd Pilgrim Congregational Church Birmingham, AL LSimprov@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 14:08:06 +0200 From: patRice Subject: RE: The Gift Hi y'all... I received my copy yesterday, and must say I like the CD very much. Nothing new and ground-breaking, but a very enjoyable and entertaining release. Also one to play to your friends/family who are not into Zorn. Besides, I feel this release is worth the money for Ribot's work alone... I just adore his guitar-playing. As for the artwork: doesn't offend me. The fact that it's paintings and not photographs makes quite a bit of a difference, me thinks. patRice np: JZ, The Gift nr: Jeroen Lamers, Japonius Tyrannus - Oda Nobunaga reconsidered - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 06:40:07 -0700 (PDT) From: aaron chua Subject: Cage/feldman Has anyone heard the new Cage prepared piano vol 2 on naxos? any comments? in fact any recommendations to his works written or recorded would be appreciated.(but esp prepared piuano pieces at hte moment. saw a drury cd of cage's music and also by the ensemble modern today.,,) thanks in advance, oh yeah, i found the new morton feldman book a great read.great anecdotes w/ an occassional playful jibe at stockhausen, boulez etc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:21:13 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: AMM tour reports? so the much-anticipated AMM US tour has kicked off, yet we haven't heard about it yet. how did the Colorado show go, Matt? and let's hear some reports on the California, Portland and Chicago shows once they happen also. I need something to tide me over for a few weeks until they make it to the East Coast. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 18:38:14 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: The Gift and Canada Reminds me of David Lynch's movie > soundtracks. Will I listen to it in six months? I > don't know. But I'm still listening to Bar Kokhba, > that's for sure. > Pierre Toussaint > -- > After repeated listenings I have concluded that I can't make too many comparisons -at least positive- between the two records you mention. The quality of "the circle maker" is IMHO much higher than that of "The gift". I confess I listened to "the Gift" 5 or 6 times and won't be back in my CD player for a long time. Great disappointment! Greetings, Efrén _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 18:41:01 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: The Gift and Canada Reminds me of David Lynch's movie > soundtracks. Will I listen to it in six months? I > don't know. But I'm still listening to Bar Kokhba, > that's for sure. > Pierre Toussaint > -- > After repeated listenings I have concluded that I can't make too many comparisons -at least positive- between the two records you mention. The quality of "the circle maker" is IMHO much higher than that of "The gift". I confess I listened to "the Gift" 5 or 6 times and won't be back in my CD player for a long time. Great disappointment! By the way, thanks to all of those who included the Michael Marcus 3 "Live in NY" in the top 2000 lists. What an amazing recording! Greetings, Efrén n.p: Peter Brötzmann/Misha Mengelberg/Han Bennink: "3 points and a mountain...plus" (FMP) _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:10:01 -0600 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: AMM tour reports? >how did the Colorado show go, Matt? I was delightfully lost in their music for most of the set. At the beginning i didn't feel they were quite together but by about 10:00 they seemed to have found each other (perhaps I percieved this because I didn't close my eyes until this point). The crowd was interesting; most of the audience (C.Springs community and students of Colorado College) had no idea what they were in for. The total performance lasted about 1 hour and twenty minutes. Keith Rowe set up quite a few drone textures which he carefully modified and almost unnoticably eliminated. Their ability to blend volume levels really astonished me. Their transitions between textures were very decisive and smooth. There was a feeling of an ending which the group passed by. Eddie Prevost finished out the performance instead with a 5-10 min gong solo (Keith Rowe was providing a little accompanyment at times). the silence at the end of the performance went on for about 5 minutes before John Tilbury played four notes at which point Keith Rowe turned off his stand light (each member had his own stand light - there was no other stage lighting). The band stood and began to pack up to no applause. Keith Rowe said that he felt that the performance had a good overall form. I thought it was incredible but I had never seen them before. Matt Wirzbicki - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:10:19 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: don pullen I've recently become quite enamored of Don Pullen's playing (I know -- I'm late on this one). Aside fr Mingus' CHANGES records, what are the best choices for his playing? skip h np: prince -- come - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 00:52:49 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: don pullen For the earliest, "out"est stuff, check out the two Giuseppe Logan discs on ESP. The band also included Eddie Gomez and Milford Graves, and is obviously worth hearing even if it's not among the best examples of any of the sidemen concerned. (It would be great if the Unheard Music Series could find a way to reissue the ridiculously rare self-released duo album that Pullen and Graves put out soon after - I've never even seen this thing.) After this came the stretch with Mingus, of which I think 'Changes 1 & 2' are the best examples. Pullen recorded a fair amount of music under his own name, but for my money, the music he made with tenorist George Adams in the Adams/Pullen Quartet (or, as Blue Note would have it, the Pullen/Adams Quartet) is the fieriest of his career. Adams you'll already know from 'Changes' at the very least, and the remainder of the group was bassist Cameron Brown and longtime Mingus drummer Dannie Richmond. They made a string of records on the Timeless label (including one with guest John Scofield), but I'm most fond of their last four discs. On Soul Note, 'Live at the Village Vanguard' Vol. 1 & 2 give a good impression of an average night with this incredible, raucous, telepathic band. The two on Blue Note, out of print but worth tracking down, are 'Breakthrough' and 'Song Everlasting.' God do I wish I coulda seen that band. It parted ways when Richmond died in 1988; Adams passed in '92. As for the latter Blue Notes under Pullen's name, 'New Beginnings' (a trio date with Gary Peacock and Tony Williams) is good, but not really as good as that lineup should be, mainly because Pullen rather simplified his style here. 'Random Thoughts' with James Genus and Lewis Nash is better. With his next album, 'Kele Mou Bana,' Pullen started adding Native American and African rhythms to the mix, while further simplifying his own sound. Subsequent discs sound increasingly spiritual in a sort of New Age sense, and I have to admit that I personally stopped keeping track of them. But I heard Pullen play with Arthur Blythe shortly before he died in '95, and he remained capable of that unique mix of sanctified gospel and piano shredding brimstone right to the end. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Skip Heller Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:10 AM To: zorn Subject: don pullen I've recently become quite enamored of Don Pullen's playing (I know -- I'm late on this one). Aside fr Mingus' CHANGES records, what are the best choices for his playing? skip h np: prince -- come - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:35:36 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: AMM tour reports? nice report, Matt, thanks. one question: << The band stood and began to pack up to no applause. >> was there eventual applause, or just none at all? Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:53:32 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: AMM tour reports? ><< The band stood and began to pack up to no applause. >> > >was there eventual applause, or just none at all? Are you total shameless fanboy, or is this something which often happens at AMM concerts? ;-) Seriously, I've never heard them (live or on record) but remember hearing similiar comments before. I'm pussled. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:02:21 +0200 From: "Andreas Dietz" Subject: RE: don pullen >I've recently become quite enamored of Don Pullen's playing (I know -- I'm >late on this one). Aside fr Mingus' CHANGES records, what are the best >choices for his playing? > >skip h my Don Pullen favorites are the following: WARRIORS (Black Saint 1978) Don Pullen/Chico Freeman/Fred Hopkins/Bobby Battle MILANO STRUT (Black Saint 1978) Don Pullen/Don Moye THE MAGIC TRIANGLE (Black Saint 1979) Joseph Jarman/Don Pullen/Don Moye Milano Strut has some groovin´ organ playing. Pullen´s work with Marcello Melis and with Roots is nice too... Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:29:37 -0600 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: AMM tour reports? << The band stood and began to pack up to no applause. >> >was there eventual applause, or just none at all? i almost started it myself but eventually the official promoter began and the whole room started a second later. There was no standing-ovation. The general public was much more mixed in terms of their response to this show than they were in their response toward Le Quan Ninh's performance. Matt Wirzbicki - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #371 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. 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