From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #372 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Monday, April 9 2001 Volume 03 : Number 372 In this issue: - RE: AMM tour reports? Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Re: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Re: AMM tour reports? Re: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Fwd: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert re:don pullen RE: AMM tour reports? Re: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Re: Cage/feldman Re: Cage/feldman Re: Cage/feldman Re: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert GODFLESH Re: GODFLESH Lindberg/Ehrlich don pullen RE: GODFLESH Re: GODFLESH re: GODFLESH and Orson Welles Berne / Paraphrase Dates Re: Berne / Paraphrase Dates pullen Spatial music on this week's Mappings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:41:45 -0600 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: AMM tour reports? >Are you total shameless fanboy, or is this something which often happens >at AMM concerts? ;-) I don't know who the fanboy comment was intended for but the group visited an Aesthetics class here on campus (the students read Eddie's book the week before) and Keith Rowe did mention the problem of the "AMM silence" cliche. for my part, I thought the end was very clear. There was even a kind of end before the end which made it clear the the end was in sight. Nonetheless, the audience was puzzled. Matt Wirzbicki - - ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 2001 09:43:28 -0700 From: cizon@transport.com Subject: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Ran across this CD at a local record store during the weekend and I'm very curious. Could someone who has heard this album give me a description? I'm a big Robert Quine fan so I'm also wondering how much of a contribution he brings to the album. Just don't want to get burned with a $20+ Avant CD. Thanks. Murray - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:50:10 EDT From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Re: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Its a trio with Ribot, Quine on guitars and Ikue Mori on percussion. Some of its better than others, but worth a listen to. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:54:52 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: AMM tour reports? On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:41:45AM -0600, Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) wrote: > >Are you total shameless fanboy, or is this something which often happens > >at AMM concerts? ;-) > > I don't know who the fanboy comment was intended for but the group visited > an Aesthetics class here on campus (the students read Eddie's book the week > before) and Keith Rowe did mention the problem of the "AMM silence" cliche. What problem is this? That the audience fails to applaud, or that they actually can't tell that the performance is over until AMM starts to dismantle their gear, or something else? My ensemble, Gray Code, also uses extended silences in playing, but, due to our visibly varied attention when playing and not playing, haven't had a problem with audiences knowing if we were and weren't finished. I would think that AMM would have been able to indicate this too. (I haven't seen them yet, but am eagerly looking forward to catching them in Baltimore.) - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:58:50 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:50:10 EDT Nvinokur@aol.com wrote: > > Its a trio with Ribot, Quine on guitars and Ikue Mori on percussion. Some of > its better than others, but worth a listen to. Ikue Mori acknowleged in interviews that the project more or less escaped her control, to the point that the record was more a Quine/Ribot one, than a Mori one. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:07:25 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert Hi, IMHO, although the work by the three is really good, you'll get burned as much as the contents of the album itself are concerned. I love both the sound and the themes, but these don't evolve as much as I'd like too. The songs are extended in excess and their uncomplexity makes the album a little boring in the end. Regards, Efrén - --- cizon@transport.com escribió: > Fecha: 9 Apr 2001 09:43:28 -0700 > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > De: cizon@transport.com > Asunto: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert > > Ran across this CD at a local record store during > the weekend and I'm very curious. Could someone who > has heard this album give me a description? I'm a > big Robert Quine fan so I'm also wondering how much > of a contribution he brings to the album. Just don't > want to get burned with a $20+ Avant CD. > > Thanks. > > Murray > > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: alberta Subject: re:don pullen hi -- along with the previously mentioned titles, i really like don p on organ on david murray's 'shaquil's warrior.' kurt - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:11:52 -0600 From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" Subject: RE: AMM tour reports? > before) and Keith Rowe did mention the problem of the "AMM silence" cliche. I don't really want to speak for Keith Rowe here but as I understood his statement the problem is that people expect this dramatic silence after the performance and so can become an awkward moment. On a semi-related tangent Eddie Prevost also mentioned the tendancy of a promoter (and the audience) to want to "get something for their money." In the case of the performance here, many people simply didn't know it was over - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:13:02 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert >Ran across this CD at a local record store during the weekend and I'm >very >curious. Could someone who has heard this album give me a >description? I'm >a big Robert Quine fan so I'm also wondering how much >of a contribution he >brings to the album. Huge contribution!! This album has really wonderful playing by both Ribot and Quine. Truly marvelous. Only problem with this album is Mori herself. I love her playing with DJ Olive, Death Ambient and other experimental projects, but for straight percussion stuff, it's quite bad. Had this been Cyro Baptista doing the percussion, this would have been one of the greatests albums of all time. Still, definately worth having, and essential for Ribot and Quine fans!! How about recommendations for none-Zorn Quine albums? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:26:26 -0500 From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Cage/feldman >Has anyone heard the new Cage prepared piano vol 2 on >naxos? any comments? >in fact any recommendations to his works written or >recorded would be appreciated.(but esp prepared piuano >pieces at hte moment. saw a drury cd of cage's music >and also by the ensemble modern today.,,) > >thanks in advance, > >oh yeah, i found the new morton feldman book a great >read.great anecdotes w/ an occassional playful jibe at >stockhausen, boulez etc > Yeah, the Feldman book is wonderful. Last time Carol & I drove down to Houston, I spent most of the trip reading it aloud. Full of good stuff on music (& I'm not so sure that the jibes at Stockhausen & Boulez are so playful) & painting & generally about the, or at least Feldman's, creative process. As to Cage, in late January I played parts of many different versions of Cage's Sonatas & Interludes for prepared piano on Mappings, unfortunately it's not available online any more. For that piece, I'd recommend Louis Goldstein, Maro Ajemian, or the nearly impossible to find version by Darryl Rosenberg (anyone in Boston know if this is still in print?). The Berman version on Naxos is okay, he doesn't screw anything up, but it doesn't seem as focused to me. The Drury solo piano disc is well played, though he's complained (rightly, I think) that they only released the comparatively pretty works that he recorded, making the disc a little bit too new-agey. He's directed and performed on many CDs of Cage's music for larger ensembles on Mode. One I like a lot, though I'm not sure how it would work as an introduction to Cage's music, is called "The Piano Concertos." I like Joan La Barbara's Singing Through John Cage on New Albion as a good mix of music from many periods, another good introductory disc is the Mode CD of the Arditti Quartet playing String Quartet in 4 parts & Four. After that, there's a lot of other stuff. A good place for more information is the John Cage e-mail list, founded and coordinated by Joseph Zitt, whose posts you often see on the Zorn list. For more information & to subscribe to that list: Bests, Herb - -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 817 377-2983 herb@eskimo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:43:30 -0700 From: h e a t h e r Subject: Re: Cage/feldman On 4/9/01 11:26 AM, "Herb Levy" wrote: > Yeah, the Feldman book is wonderful. Last time Carol & I drove down > to Houston, I spent most of the trip reading it aloud. Full of good > stuff on music (& I'm not so sure that the jibes at Stockhausen & > Boulez are so playful) & painting & generally about the, or at least > Feldman's, creative process. would someone mind providing detailed info (title, etc.) for the Feldman book referenced? thanks. heather - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:08:56 -0400 From: "marc elzweig" Subject: Re: Cage/feldman >would someone mind providing detailed info (title, etc.) for the Feldman >book referenced? i'm assuming we're talking about "Give My Regards to Eighth Street: Collected Writings of Morton Feldman." recently published by Exact Change -- finally some readily available feldman writings, i thank them for it. ta, marc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:39:20 EDT From: Nvinokur@aol.com Subject: Re: Ikue Mori - Painted Desert In a message dated 4/9/01 12:51:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nvinokur@aol.com writes: << Its a trio with Ribot, Quine on guitars and Ikue Mori on percussion. Some of its better than others, but worth a listen to. >> I dare say one can sample the music on Napster - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:52:56 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: GODFLESH Hello list, I need some GODFLESH recommendations, please. thanks Neil H. Enet - ------------ NP. SONIC YOUTH - goo - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:34:13 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: GODFLESH > I need some GODFLESH recommendations, please. there is none, unfortunately. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:53:29 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Lindberg/Ehrlich Hi, the other day I saw a duo CD by John Lindberg and Marty Ehrlich. I guess that must be such a great record but i'd like some opinions from any of you. Thanks in advance, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:33:59 -0000 From: "Bill Ashline" Subject: don pullen My favorite Pullen recording is his live set with George Adams and John Scofield, "Live at Montmartre" on Timeless. "Song Everlasting" is also good and some of the compositions there are played on the live recording. His 1977 Atlantic recording "Tomorrow's Promises" is also good. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:10:51 -0400 From: "Neil H. Enet" Subject: RE: GODFLESH > I need some GODFLESH recommendations, please. there is none, unfortunately. - ---------- Ok ... I need some recommendations from someone that "likes" GODFLESH :-) Neil H. Enet - ------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:54:08 +0200 From: "Robert van Heumen" Subject: Re: GODFLESH i know only 'songs of love and hate', but i like that one a lot. ...r.o.b.b.i.e...d.i...h.e.u.m.o... ......... ......... ......... ...... ...... ......... ......... ......... ...... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil H. Enet" To: "Zornlist" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:10 AM Subject: RE: GODFLESH > > > > I need some GODFLESH recommendations, please. > > there is none, unfortunately. > ---------- > > Ok ... I need some recommendations from someone that "likes" GODFLESH :-) > > Neil H. Enet > ------------ > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:24:06 -0400 From: Taylor McLaren Subject: re: GODFLESH and Orson Welles MEEP! "Neil H. Enet" wrote: >I need some GODFLESH recommendations, please. The perennial favourite among grindcore fans seems to be _Streetcleaner_, and it definitely scores high on the death-by-slow-bludgeoning meter. If you're familiar with any of Broadrick's other projects, you'll probably also recognize the sounds and production techniques of Techno Animal and The Sidewinder creeping into the Godflesh formula here and there in the last few albums, especially on _Love and Hate in Dub_. (To be honest, for a good example of the band's range, those two discs are just about polar opposites...) If you're at all into the long, slow droney bits that they used to close off several of their albums in the early '90s (and Broadrick's output under the name Final), it might also be worth checking out the two-disc re-issue of _Selfless_ from about five years ago; it think it's bundled with the bloody awful _Merciless_ EP, but it's also rounded out by the hellishly long remixes of "Crush My Soul" and... something else that are actually pretty cool. Meanwhile, Ricardo Reis asked: >> For what it's worth, though, the reading in question is pretty >> ludicrously short for its contents, and it could be (less-than-generously) >> described as being incomprehensible. >it's interesting what you say. i've only heard excerpts from the >"heart of darkness" documentary film by Alice Coppola on her husbands film >"Apocalipse now". i got the idea he was doing a "heavy" dark reading, very >suited to the text. can you be more explicity when classifying it as >"incomprehensible"? Only that, in order to make "Heart of Darkness" fit into an hour-long (or however long it was) radio slot, an awful lot of the text had to be cut out. While increasingly melodramatic vocals can go a fair distance towards re-creating the building sense that something *dreadfully* wrong is emanating from Kurtz and his camp, there isn't enough detail present in the Mercury Theater version to keep the listener from feeling that there's something really big missing from the story that they're hearing. - -me - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:32:33 -0400 (EDT) From: fab@toke.com Subject: Berne / Paraphrase Dates Hi, Anyone have venue information on the Paraphrase tour? Really looking for Wednesday April 11 in Boulder, Colorado. Other than the Screwgun homepage I can't seem to find any info on these shows. Thanks. Fun and Blindness Fort Collins, CO http://fab.cjb.net/ - ------------------------------------------------------ Get free personalized email at http://four11.iname.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:37:59 -0700 From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Berne / Paraphrase Dates They were exquisite in Eagle Rock CA last night. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:26:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Pratt Subject: pullen Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 00:52:49 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: don pullen For the earliest, "out"est stuff, check out the two Giuseppe Logan discs on ESP. The band also included Eddie Gomez and Milford Graves, and is obviously worth hearing even if it's not among the best examples of any of the sidemen concerned. (It would be great if the Unheard Music Series could find a way to reissue the ridiculously rare self-released duo album that Pullen and Graves put out soon after - I've never even seen this thing.) - ----------------------- There were two LPs of duets between Graves and Pullen, 'Don Pullen and Milford Graves at Yale University' and 'Nommo.' I have the latter and it's pretty sick. I think the first one's supposed to be just as good. -Tom Pratt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:20:46 -0500 From: Herb Levy Subject: Spatial music on this week's Mappings Hi, Just a brief note to let you know that this week's Mappings, my weekly new music program from Antenna Internet Radio I'm playing music that (mostly) plays with resonant acoustics by Maryanne Amacher, Luciano Berio, Stuart Dempster, Annea Lockwood, Alvin Lucier, Kaffe Matthews, Martin Mayes, Pauline Oliveros, Michael Stirling, and Veryan Weston & Caroline Kraabel.. The RealAudio recording went online about 10-11 pm (Greenwich -0800) on Monday night and will remain up for about a week. Last week's show featuring music by composer/performer Joan La Barbara is still available in the archive . Hope to y'all there. Bests, Herb - -- Herb Levy Mappings on Antenna Internet Radio http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/ mappings@antennaradio.com Mappings P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #372 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com