From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #375 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, April 11 2001 Volume 03 : Number 375 In this issue: - Re: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT) RE: Oboe Re: Oboe Fwd: rE: pAINTED sHOESTRINGS RE: Oboe Re: Oboe Yusef Lateef Re: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT) Elvis Costello/Ryko Re: Oboe Re: Oboe Because I care... info on new April and May Tzadiks Re: oboe Takayanagi/Abe Oboe Re: And because *I* care... Re: Oboe collectors' corner Re: collectors' corner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:58:41 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT) > Hello there... > > Just recently I discovered that there are two or three books available > that are written by David Toop. > > Has anyone from this list ever read one of them? > > Any thoughts / comments? > > Thanks a lot! > > Yours, > patRice > > np: Kenny Dorham, Afro-Cuban > nr: Albert Parry, Tattoo > > > - > I've read EXOTICA, which I thought was very good, but I'm biased as I was quoted in it abouut a half dozen times, and unlike RJ Smith, Toop actually gives credit to his sources. His research on the subject (exotica) is formidable, espec when you consider he's in England and therefore away fr a lot of idiomatic American stuff. skip h np: kenny dorham -- una mas (no joke) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:55:58 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Oboe Karen Borca plays bassoon. SS - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Julian Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:53 AM To: Scott Handley; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Oboe And Karen Borca with Joe Morris, Cecil Taylor and others... - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:02:58 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Oboe > Karen Borca plays bassoon. Your point being? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:11:59 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: rE: pAINTED sHOESTRINGS O.K Kurt, another English misunderstanding of mine. I celebrate that you enjoy Shoe-String. Greetings, Efrén - --- alberta escribió: > Fecha: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:21:47 -0400 (EDT) > De: alberta > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Asunto: rE: pAINTED sHOESTRINGS > > the venerable =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= > > asked of me: > > When you say "don't rush to get Shoe String > Symphonettes" do you really mean it???!!! What's > wrong > with it in your opinion? > > when i said: > > > if you don't have, say, hex kitchen or shoestring > > symphonettes, don't rush into getting it. but it's > > better than the blue mask. > > i meant don't rush into getting painted desert if > you don't have these mori and ribot titles already. > i loves the s-string symponettes... > > for the record, > kurt > > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:14:27 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Oboe My point being that I shouldn't post when I'm running a fever and can't concentrate well enough to see that someone has shifted the subject subtly away from what the subject line says. My appy-polly-logies. As for oboe, well, much like the Kyle Bruckman disc alrady mentioned, there's a disc by San Francisco reed player Dan Plonsey called 'Understanding Human Behavio' (spelling is correct here) on the Limited Sedition CD-R label. He made the disc on the first two days he owned the instrument. Dan's a fine, fine sax player, and he manages to get around the oboe pretty well, but let's just say that the concept here is... different. And that's there's a fair amount of intentionally bad synthesizer and rhythm box playing on it, eventually. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - -----Original Message----- From: Julian [mailto:jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:03 AM To: ssmith36@sprynet.com; 'Scott Handley'; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Oboe > Karen Borca plays bassoon. Your point being? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:27:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Oboe One of the first modern jazz oboe playersd was Ken McIntyre, who used it as well as alto saxophone and flute on his own discs as well as ones with Eric Dolphy and Bill Dixon. As for bassoon, besides Karen Borca, seems to me that Illinois Jacquet played that unwieldy beast on some of his LPs in the 1950s. Also I seem to recall someone named Michael Rabionowitz (sp?) who specializes in playing mainstream jazz on the bassoon. Ken Waxman - --- Julian wrote: > > Karen Borca plays bassoon. > > Your point being? > > > - > _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:52:10 -0800 From: michael dessen Subject: Yusef Lateef > orchestration. I'll try to seek that out. It was > epic, and I have no idea if it's been published as a > recording. What's YL been up to? The piece you're probably talking about is the "African-American Epic Suite," a multi-movement piece for full orchestra and a small group of improvisors (including Lateef). It was recorded and published in Germany and I think it is available on Amazon.com's German site (amazon.com/de). A great piece, in my opinion, but then I'm a big Lateef fan and former student so I'm biased. Lateef has actually been up to a lot! He has mostly put out stuff on his own label, YAL, for many years now, and it doesn't turn up in many stores. (He does sell it through his website, yuseflateef.com). Also he kind of distanced himself from the "jazz" industry and won't use the word... He's in Western Mass. teaching at a few different colleges there, and gets out to play from time to time, collaborates with Adam Rudolph a lot, but he's not touring too much (he's 80 this year!). But he puts out a couple of new CDs every year and is composing a lot of new works, and plays the occasional festival. A very industrious man... One recording I especially recommend is the double CD he put out with Adam Rudolph, entitled "The World at Peace." A live recording of compositions by both of them for a 12 piece ensemble. As far as "jazz" or avant-garde improvising oboe goes - most people I know would be quick to cite him as one of the earliest players to use the oboe in that context. Check out his early recordings... michael dessen - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:48:58 -0700 From: Tosh Subject: Re: David Toop Books (NO ZORN CONTENT) I read Toop's Ocean of Sound and Exotica (is that the title?) and both are very good. What I like about both books is that it is Toop's personal take on the music - and it goes off in different areas.. Like I was surprised to know that there was a David Crosby connection to Les Baxter! - -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:34:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Brooker Subject: Elvis Costello/Ryko Anyone know what is going on with Elvis Costello's Rkyo Catalog? Are anymore being reissued or are the current titles all out of print? I went to Rykos website but apparently it has not been updated in ages which leads me to beleive that nothing else is going to take place. Anyone have information about this? Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:36:23 -0700 From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Oboe >>>And that there's a fair amount of intentionally bad synthesizer and rhythm box playing on it, eventually.<<< I'll check this out if there is also some intentionally bad yodeling..... (Plonsey wrote a nice editorial in the current Cadence which is sure to irritate the anti-opera-braxtonians in the audience.) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:19:51 -0700 From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Oboe My 13 y/o son plays oboe. When I want to show him how oboe can be used in improvisational contexts I pull out Butch Morris' DUST TO DUST and let him enjoy Vickey Bodner on English Horn and John Purcell on Oboe. I never tire of DUST TO DUST. If I didn't put it on my all time Top 20 list, please add it. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:20:39 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Because I care... info on new April and May Tzadiks Well, it's been about four years since I've been in a position to do this. But since I suddnely find myself back on the Koch International mailing list, I'm glad to pass on those elusive details of upcoming Tzadik releases. For newcomers, Koch is the American distribution company for Tzadik, Avant, DIW and numerous other interesting labels. I no longer have any professional connection to Koch - this is strictly a public service. And bear in mind that Bruce at Downtown Music Gallery ususally has these a bit before official street date. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Radio Tarifa, "Gujo Bushi," 'Cruzando el Rio' (Nonesuch) APRIL 2001 Street date: April 24, 2001 John Zorn 'Love, Madness and Mysticism' TZA CD 7065 Composers series Performers: Jennifer Choi, Erik Friedlander, Stephen Drury Track: Le Momo * Untitled * Amor Fou Definitive performances of three dynamic new chamber pieces pushing the boundaries of virtuosity and intensity. Le Momo, for violin and piano, is a work of extremes, a ritual about exorcism and possession inspired by the works of visionary 20th century shaman Antonin Artaud. Untitled, dedicated to Joseph Cornell, the hermetic New York artist whose delirious box constructions mix innocent personal nostalgia with uncomfortable personal obsessions, is a tour de force for solo cello brilliantly performed by Erik Friedlander. The piano trio Amoor Fou explores love - obsessive love, mad love, doomed love in a compendium of moods ranging from Bunuel to Bataille, Scriabin to Messiaen. A mysterious and romantic new direction from John Zorn. Other items of interest in April: Michel Godard: 'Castel del Monte' Enja CD 9362 Rabih Abou-Khalil's tuba and serpent player, with a team of international all-stars including Gianluigi Trovesi, Renaud Garcia-Fons, Pino Minafra and Jean-Louis Matinier. Lots of Italian folksong materials on this one... Vincent Courtois: 'Translucide' Enja CD 9380 Rabih Abou-Khalil's cellist, solo and in duet with Michel Godard, Yves Robert and Noel Akchote. Masayuki Takyanagi & Kaoru Abe: 'Gradually Projection' DIW CD 425 REISSUE, historic meeting of two legends of Japanese free music, recorded July 9, 1970. Stefano Scodanibbio: 'Six Duos' New Albion CD 113 The phenomenal Italian bassist in duos with members of the Arditti String Quartet. Morton Subotnik: 'Vol. 1: Electronic Works' Mode CD/DVD-A 97 Old and new multi-channel works by Subotnik - 'Touch,' 'A Sky of Cloudless Sulfur,' 'Gestures: It Begins with Colors' - available in stereo mixes on CD and in surround sound with video interviews and lots of other gimmicks on DVD-A. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------- MAY 2001 Street date: May 22, 2001 Otomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Quintet 'Flutter' TZA CD 7232 New Japan series Performers: Tsugami Kenta, Kikuchi Naruyoshi, Otomo Yoshihide, Mizutami Yasuhiro, Sachiko M, Akita Masami Tracks: Flutter * Drift-Les * Serene * Spin * Night Lights-Density Japanese Free Jazz has a history that goes back to the '60s, and Otomo Yoshihide's latest project brings together some of the best Free Jazz players in Japan with noise musicians Sachiko M and the legendary Akita Masami of Merzbow. Beautiful arrangements, exciting solos and a kickass rhythm section make 'Flutter' one of Otomo's most powerful and unusual musical statements. Features three bizarre covers of tunes by Eric Dolphy and Gerry Mulligan and four dynamic originals. Sine waves, drones, jazz and noise from one of Japan's most ubiquitous experimental musicians. Xtatica 'Tongue Bath' TZA CD 7701 Oracles series Performers: Haena Kim, Mas Yamagata, Vongku Pak, Kyungwook Jung Tracks: Taking the Angel * Malady * Tongue * Sick Fuck * Immolation * Gone * Dance of the Phantasms * Manic Holiday * Out in the Woods, It's 3 AM * Sunfire New Tzadik Oracles series is proud to begin with the unique visions of singer/songwriter Haena Kim. Featuring hypnotic, trippy vocals, nasty electric bass and two driving Korean percussionists, this is a band that opens up an exciting new world of sound. You've never heard anything like Xtatica - a magical blend of alternative rock with Korean traditoinal music. Pansori via Nine Inch Nails. Other items of interest in May: Don Cherry's Nu: 'Live at the Bracknell Jazz Festival, 1986' BBC Jazz Legends CD 7004 Don Cherry, Ed Blackwell, Carlos Ward, Mark Helias and Nana Vasconcelos recorded live in 1986. Rob Reddy's Sleeping Dogs: 'However Humble' Knitting Factory CD 291 Interesting composer/saxophonist's new band with Charles Burnham (violin, mandolin), Don Richards (bass), Guillermo E. Brown (drums) and John Carlson (trumpet). John Cage: 'Complete Piano Music, Vol. 6' MD+G CD 6130791 (2 CDs) Piano music composed in 1960-62, including Etudes Boreales, "The Beatles," and ASLSP, performed by Steffen Schleiermacher in an ongoing series. John Cage: 'The Works for Violin 4' Mode CD 100 Irvine Arditti's ongoing series includes Nocturne (1947), 6 Melodies (1950), Two6 (1992), One10 (1992) and 8 Whiskus (1985). Our own Stephen Drury is his partner in the first three pieces listed. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:42:15 From: "William York" Subject: Re: oboe Jason Caulfield Bivins wrote: >The oboist who played with Chadbourne may well have been Carrie Shull, >a >fine player who's also in the Micro-East Collective. Yes this is probably true. She is from Chapel Hill and is on a bunch of Chadbourne's semi-recent albums: Insect and Western Party, Insect Attracter, Worms with Strings, the Hellington Country CDs ... I was so ready to chime in and mention someone from my old hometown, and then sign the message "Yours in obscurity," but two people beat me to it. It's the time zone difference I tell you... WY (Trying to recover from seeing ROVA, Leo Smith, Fred Frith, AMM, Goatwhore, Paraphrase, Candiria and Cryptopsy all within the last five days, in three different cities, almost all for the first time ... whew) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:43:58 -0400 From: "Jesse Kudler" Subject: Takayanagi/Abe - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Smith" To: "Zorn-List (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:20 PM Subject: Because I care... info on new April and May Tzadiks > Masayuki Takyanagi & Kaoru Abe: 'Gradually Projection' > DIW CD 425 > REISSUE, historic meeting of two legends of Japanese free music, recorded > July 9, 1970. Anyone heard this or the other new disc from the same duo? I'd like to get 'em, but the prices on those DIW discs are rough. - -Jesse - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:49:17 EDT From: Brennansf@aol.com Subject: Oboe Yusef Lateef plays oboe on the very first track of THE LAST SAVOY SESSIONS re-released last spring. Titled appropriately "Oboe Blues." jb - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:52:04 -0700 From: "z~S" Subject: Re: And because *I* care... http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/sourdough.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:55:02 -0700 From: "z~S" Subject: Re: Oboe Titled appropriately "Oboe Blues." jb - - My son's first CD will be called _I Am A Lonesome Oboe_. Thankfully I must get to work now. Have a lovely day Zornsters. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:27:27 -0700 From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: collectors' corner just getting to disc five of Art Tatum's 7CD complete solo masterpieces -- listen to this one and then try arguing that you recently heard a really fresh new reharmonization of an old standard -- and it's abundantly clear that my collecting has exceeded my ability to digest it all. i remember when i had three, four, five records, and knew every note, every word on them, played them over and over and over. now, there are probably a dozen discs at home that have yet to be spun, and who knows how many dozens i've never listen to thoroughly from start to finish. so, my question du jour: when did you realize you were addicted? that your simple desire to keep your ears filled with good music became outpaced by the desire to collect collect collect? do all collectors of a certain magnitude harbor a shadow of guilt? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:48:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Handley Subject: Re: collectors' corner - --- Martin Wisckol wrote: > so, my question du jour: when did you realize you > were addicted? that your > simple desire to keep your ears filled with good > music became outpaced by > the desire to collect collect collect? do all > collectors of a certain > magnitude harbor a shadow of guilt? No guilt, no realization; only moments of clarity. I get these moments when I get things I pretty seriously dislike or am bored by. The irritation comes from thinking of all the safe(r) bets (but nonetheless mind expanding!) that I could have taken. Last night I had a moment of clarity with a Mille Plateaux compilation. Bo-ring. Otherwise, well, running out of money does it to me every time. - ----s ===== "Electric guitar gets run over by a car on the highway/This is a crime against the state/This is the meaning of life... Electric guitar is copied, the copy sounds better/Call this law and justice, call this freedom and liberty/I thought I perjure myself, right in front of the jury!" ---Talking Heads, "Electric Guitar" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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