From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #389 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Wednesday, April 18 2001 Volume 03 : Number 389 In this issue: - Re: Leng Tch'e Re: Guilty Choices Georges Bataille - New Books (Zorn Content?) The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Re: composition, no zorn distances driven to concert Re: Melvins Re: Georges Bataille - New Books (Zorn Content?) Trembling Before G*D (was: Re: Georges Bataille...) Re: distances driven (or flown) to concert RE: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Trembling Before G-D Re: distances driven to concert Re: distances driven to concert Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Re: [no zorn] guilty crimson - LONG (as you might expect...) Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Guilty Choices ordinary fanfares playlist #4 Re: Guilty Choices ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:20:38 +0200 From: FJG_Lamerikx Subject: Re: Leng Tch'e > "I love "Leng Tch'e" but have found the Melvins stuff > I have heard to be quite bad and rather unlike "Leng Th'e", > but I have only heard their recent Ipecac releases. > So........................ how similar is "Lysol" and > "Leng Tch'e"????? "Lysol" really is the blueprint for Leng T'che, to the point where the similarities become embarrassing. I was fortunate enough to see Melvins live recently, and they ended their set with the A-side of "Lysol". You probably won't be able to find the album under that name anymore, as I believe they got in trouble with the company producing Lysol. It is now simply titled "Melvins". Just look out for the record with the Indian on the cover... F - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:22:33 -0600 From: malczewski@earthlink.net (Frank Malczewski) Subject: Re: Guilty Choices Nope, we were supposed to see Slash's Snakepit, but given Denver's blizzard that day, almost didn't get to the show at all due to the drifts (and minimal snowplows) in my area. I think Slash (the guy from GNR) was not able to perform, and since we got there late, not sure who the blues-inspired so-so trio was (may have been Snakepit w/o Slash for all I know) that was already on stage. AC/DC was at least twice as loud as any concert I've ever been to, fwiw. From now on I take earplugs... Oh, and they were pretty good too; almost have become a fan. > ac/dc concert? so u saw buckcherry too then? they opened right? how are > they live? > > - Frank Malczewski - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:24:15 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Georges Bataille - New Books (Zorn Content?) Hi y'all Thought some of you might be interested that there are two books by Georges Bataille made available in English (1st time; or reprint? I don't know...). Got the info from Amazon. L'Abbe C Literature And Evil patRice np: JZ, Trembling Before G*D nr: Eiji Yoshikawa, Taiko - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:32:12 +0200 From: patRice Subject: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Steve Smith wrote: > (I say "any band with > Warren Cuccurullo *and* Terry Bozzio" so that no one reminds me that > Warren's been in Duran Duran for a really long time now, while Terry > recently played with The Knack...) > Steve, Could you maybe tell me a little about The Knack. Never heard of them, but am quite a fan of Terry Bozzio. In my previous mails I'd completely forgotten about Duran Duran - they've always been a fave band of mine. Talking about Warren Cucurullo: I saw him live around 1994; a solo thing - the guy of Dweezil Zappa's band of that time on drums, and Nick Beggs (of Kajagoogoo fame!!!) on bass!!! Quite unbelievable, I thought. The music was - well, too show-offish... patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:45:48 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Re: composition, no zorn ObviousEye@aol.com wrote: > so, here it is: could someone here provide me with a list of books that a > composer would deem important to an understanding of both classical and > modern composition? My piano teacher, who was also a composer, said that Arnold Schoenberg's book on harmony was essential. According to him, the best book ever written on the subject. (And he didn't like Schoenberg as a composer that much.) There's also a two volume book on composition available by Schoenberg. patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:23:59 -0300 From: mwoodwor Subject: distances driven to concert I left with 2 friends at 5 AM and drove 14 hours straight to see Masada in Montreal at the Jazz Fest last year and then came back the morning after the show!! So I believe that puts me in the lead with 14- anyone top that!?! mike - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:50:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Risser Subject: Re: Melvins Quite frankly, all the new Melvins stuff has sucked crap. But I'd buy everything up to Stoner Witch. If you want the heavy, Lysol is good, but there's also Bullhead, Ozma, Gluey Porch Treatments, Houdini and Eggnog. King Buzzo's solo album is great as well, and Joe Preston's is alright, very heavy. After Stoner Witch, they sucked shit, which is really too bad. Peter ===== === Visit 20six20: http://risser.manilasites.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:58:07 -0700 (PDT) From: HirakeMike Subject: Re: Georges Bataille - New Books (Zorn Content?) - --- patRice wrote: > Hi y'all > > Thought some of you might be interested that there > are two books by > Georges Bataille made available in English (1st > time; or reprint? I > don't know...). Got the info from Amazon. > > L'Abbe C > Literature And Evil > > patRice L'Abbe C has been in print previously, I think through City Lights books who also prints my favorite Bataille "The Impossible". I've never read Literature and Evil. I also loved: Story of the Eye (Read somewhere that a few young Filmmakers were attempting to turn this into a film using Digital Video/Dogme '95 possibly??) Tears of Eros (It grew on me after awhile, but I enjoyed it otherwise) > np: JZ, Trembling Before G*D I recently picked this up a few weeks ago at Best Buy. I've always loved Zorns piano pieces. Still waiting for the film to arrive. I emailed the director awhile back but she never mentioned a date that it would open. HM np: Velvet Underground, Loaded __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:03:54 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Trembling Before G*D (was: Re: Georges Bataille...) HirakeMike wrote: > > np: JZ, Trembling Before G*D > > I recently picked this up a few weeks ago at > Best Buy. I've always loved Zorns piano pieces. > Still waiting for the film to arrive. I emailed the > director awhile back but she never mentioned a date > that it would open. Has anyone from the list seen the film yet? I would love to see it - what I've read so far in the booklet sounds very interesting. Don't know if it's running now, but there's a webpage: www.tremblingbeforegod.com. patRice np: Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos Postizos, 1st CD nr: Albert Parry, Tattoo - Secrets... - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:04:22 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: distances driven (or flown) to concert In a message dated 4/18/01 8:26:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca writes: > I left with 2 friends at 5 AM and drove 14 hours straight to > see Masada in Montreal at the Jazz Fest last year and then came back > the morning after the show!! So I believe that puts me in the lead > with 14- anyone top that!?! > > mike Nay. But I did drive from Binghamton to NYC (4 hours) to see Elvis Costello and Burt Bacharach at Radio City Music Hall. After the show I drove to CT (2 and a half hours) to meet a friend. I crashed on his couch, got up, then we drove to Washington D.C. (about six hours) for another EC/BB show. After that we drove all the way to Massachusetts (about 9 hours, maybe more). And they were the worst Elvis shows I've ever attended. When Ilived in CA I had friends fly out from Boston for a Tom Waits concert. I once flew to Las Vegas from Boston to see Elvis Costello. From Vegas I drove to LA where I saw Elvis twice. Then I drove to SF. My best friend Craig flew from Boston to London just for a Rick Wakeman show. This is nothing compared to Deadheads. Tom ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:05:31 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) The Knack was an early '80s pop band that wanted to be the Beatles in the worst way, and the hoopla manufactured by their record company would have you believe that they were the second coming of same. The scary thing was that you got the feeling they really believed it, like Oasis did. Anyway, the Knack had one huge, huge hit that you couldn't escape when I was in high school, "My Sharona," which was common enough currency that Weird Al Yankovic did a send-up, "My Bologna" (about the lunch meat, not the city). To draw an apt musical comparison, it's kind of like if Terry Bozzio had joined the Go-Gos, or maybe Blur. And he's only on one album, a recent attempt at a comeback. If you look at the cover, he looks pretty dour among all those snarky grins. Duran Duran were a favorite of mine, too, but I have a hard time believing that they're still around, still trying to make a go of it long after Simon Le Bon's "sell by" date has expired. Have to admit, I didn't ever expect to see the name Kajagoogoo appear on the Zornlist, ever. But I guess anything's possible, right? Wonder if we'll ever see Jon Abbey again after all this nonsense... ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:09:34 -0700 (PDT) From: HirakeMike Subject: Trembling Before G-D If anyone is curious, the website for the film "Trembling Before G-D" is: http://www.tremblingbeforeg-d.com/index2.html If you type www.tremblingbeforegod.com it will only give you a construction message. HM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:15:38 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: distances driven to concert >I left with 2 friends at 5 AM and drove 14 hours straight to >see Masada in Montreal at the Jazz Fest last year and then came back >the morning after the show!! So I believe that puts me in the lead >with 14- anyone top that!?! I've travelled more than 24 hours, but that was to go to a festival, not a single concert. Does it count? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:17:24 -0000 From: "Arthur Gadney" Subject: Re: distances driven to concert And while we're at it: aparantly Zorn recently traveled from NYC to London to play a 20min solo concert for BBC. That's pretty sick! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:21:04 +0200 From: patRice Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) Steve Smith wrote: > The Knack was an early '80s pop band that wanted > , it's kind of like if Terry Bozzio had > joined the Go-Gos, or maybe Blur. And he's only on one album, a recent > attempt at a comeback. If you look at the cover, he looks pretty dour among > all those snarky grins. Right - I see. Thanks for putting me in on this. And of course I knew "My Sharona" - just never knew the name of the band. Unfortunately, Terry sometimes ends up doing VERY weird recordings to make a living... I think he should simply stick to his solo drumming. His style, I feel, doesn't really fit into any band context anymore. > > > Duran Duran were a favorite of mine, too, but I have a hard time believing > that they're still around, still trying to make a go of it long after Simon > Le Bon's "sell by" date has expired. Well - haven't heard anything new by them for a long time, but they're still around... > Have to admit, I didn't ever expect to see the name Kajagoogoo appear on the > Zornlist, ever. But I guess anything's possible, right? Wonder if we'll > ever see Jon Abbey again after all this nonsense... ;-) Well - I wouldn't have believed it either...!!! But I couldn't resist pointing that line-up out... This was a once in a lifetime opportunity... ;-) patRice - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:32:58 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: [no zorn] guilty crimson - LONG (as you might expect...) On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 01:27:20AM -0400, Steve Smith wrote: > The King Crimson Collectors Club is highly recommended for hardcore fans. > It costs $96 to join and for that you get 6 releases roughly bimonthly, with > decent art, generally good notes, and the best possible sound restored from > sources ranging from excellent to pretty darn bad. Every now and then > they'll deviate from the pattern of live releases and instead put out a disc > of studio outtakes, many of which are quite illuminating. But for me, the > live stuff is the best, and it's here that the reappraisal of the 1971-72 > Boz/Collins/Wallace band began. Particularly exciting was the revelation > that the show taped at Summit Studios in Denver, widely available on boots, > had actually concluded in a cover of Pharoah Sanders's "The Creator Has a > Master Plan," which had not been included on any of the boots. You can find > out more about the club, hear sound samples, and check out fan reviews and > sound quality ratings at the Discipline Global Mobile website - go to > www.disciplineglobalmobile.com and click on "Club" at the top of the main > page. For me, the revelation among the KCCC disks was the one recorded at the Beat Club, Bremen in 1972 (by what is usually called the 1973-74 band, getting an early start). In addition to performances of "Exiles" and "Lark Tongues in Aspic Part 1", the bulk of the disk is taken up by a half-hour long improv featuring Derek Bailey's occasional coconspirator Jamie Muir. The Jacksonville cover of the Pharoah Sanders tune seems kinda perfunctory to me -- it sounds like Boz just started singing the one line of it repeatedly, and the rest fell in behind him. But it's still a good listen. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:38:32 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: The Knack / Duran / Kajagoogoo (was: Guilty Choices) On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:32:12AM +0200, patRice wrote: > Could you maybe tell me a little about The Knack. Never heard of them, but am > quite a fan of Terry Bozzio. Could one possibly have survived the past couple of decades without being subjected to "My Sharona"?! - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:59:02 -0500 From: Jay Mote Subject: Guilty Choices >Could one possibly have survived the past couple of decades without being >subjected to "My Sharona"?! - - Seems highly improbable. I thought this was the most overplayed tune of its era (making it on to numerous KTEL compilations and spinoffs). I still will hear mention of this song title, & I'm sure it still gets airplay on pop-crap hitlist radio even now. Maybe 'one' was in a coma? plastic bubble? out of the country for the last 25 years? just learned English? On another note: Besides Weird Al, another parody version of this tune can be found on one of the Cheech & Chong soundtracks (Up In Smoke?) entitled "My Scrotum". More guilty choices/pleasures: Judas Priest, Asia (I listened to the first album relentlessly - age 16 - '82), Supertramp (eek!), Manfred Mann's Earth Band, Echo & the Bunnymen, Big Country - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Grey ElkGel Subject: ordinary fanfares playlist #4 ordinary fanfares playlist #4 - april 17, 2001 wmfo 91.5fm, medford massachussetts // www.wmfo.org 1. clark-hutchinson: improvisation on a modal scale [a=mh2 CD - repertoire] 2. afrika bambaataa: looking for the perfect beat [looking for the perfect beat 1980-1985 CD - tommy boy] 3. brainbombs: anne frank [singles CD - load] 4. yoshimitsu ichiraku: machine headz [the music of surround panner CD - zero gravity] 5. sven-ake johansson: rasche achtel [six little pieces for quintet CD - hatOLOGY] 6. bethlehem: schatten aus der alexander welt [dictius te necare CD - red stream] 7. hasil adkins: i need your head (...this ain't no rock & roll show) [out to hunch LP - norton] 8. mark bain: skowhegan bridge [vibronics 3" CD - staalplaat] 9. fushitsusha: thought it went so well? [a death never to be complete CD - tokuma] 10. sandro gorli: requiem (ensemble vocal europeen de la chapelle royale/philippe herreweghe) [gesualdo/gorli CD - harmonia mundi] 11. hawd gankstuh rappuhs mc's wid ghatz: mind if i fart? [2hype 2wype CD - wordsound] 12. rodney dangerfield: no respect [no respect LP - casablanca] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:07:46 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Guilty Choices On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:59:02AM -0500, Jay Mote wrote: > More guilty choices/pleasures: Judas Priest, Asia (I listened to the first > album relentlessly - age 16 - '82), Supertramp (eek!), Manfred Mann's Earth > Band, Echo & the Bunnymen, Big Country I cut work and stayed up all night to see the "Asia in Asia" concert live on MTV (the one where Greg Lake sat in for John Wetton). And Manfred Mann's Earth Band's "Watch" might qualify as another guilty pleasure for me. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #389 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". 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