From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #397 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, April 26 2001 Volume 03 : Number 397 In this issue: - Re: can anybody ID this? Fwd: Terry Ex + Han Bennink retheex field recording equipment RE: Ligeti Re: field recording equipment RE: Ligeti zorn scores Pintscher (was RE: Ligeti) RE: AMM/Globe Unity/Murakami Murakami typo Re: AMM/Globe Unity/Murakami Re: AMM/Globe Unity/Murakami minneapolis, usa, may 2-5? Stravinsky Re: Stravinsky Jazz Musicians Re: Jazz Musicians Re: Jazz Musicians Re: Stravinsky & David (R) The Shell Game Re: Stravinsky ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:09:31 -0400 From: pequet@altern.org Subject: Re: can anybody ID this? Miranda July - The Binet-Simon Test 1. Medical wonder / 2. Lena Beamish / 3. I can-Japan / 4. WSNO / 5. The co-star KILL ROCK STARS, 1998. At 12:47 25/04/01 -0400, you wrote: >I've heard parts of this piece twice on the radio but don't know any info >(the station hasn't returned any inquiries). It resembles a radio drama >with a bit of atmospheric sound/music sometimes in the >background. Several voices mostly (all?) women tell bits of their part in >the story - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:12:55 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Terry Ex + Han Bennink I listened to that record a couple of months ago. As you may suppose, it's about Terrie and Bennink's free improvisations. Although IMHO both are terrific performers, I found their duo a little boring, maybe too slow. Such a tough listen. The sound was good, and I'm sure that The Laughing Owl requires repeated listenings to be appreciated in accordance and I could play it just a couple of times since I borrowed it. Can't provide futher help. Best regards, Efrén del Valle - --- Les Henderson escribió: > Fecha: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:38:18 -0500 (CDT) > De: Les Henderson > Para: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > Asunto: Terry Ex + Han Bennink > > Has any one heard the collaboration between Terrie > Ex and Han Bennink that > was just released on Atavistic? I think that it is > called _The Laughing > Owl_ and is part of the unheard music series. What > is it like? > > Les Henderson > ljhender@midway.uchicago.edu > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:08:46 -0400 (EDT) From: alberta Subject: retheex i heard a track off "dizzy spells" on the radio this morning (wfmu, man), and it was quite good. pretty similar to the "starters alternators" stuff. i have "the laughing owl" (terre'n'han), tho not the atavistic reissue, and it's really good. i just bought it at the icp sets last year. is it really that "unheard"? your humble servant, kurt - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:11:06 -0500 From: "Robert A. Pleshar" Subject: field recording equipment Hi all, Don't know if this is the best place to ask but I figure someone can point me in the right direction at least. Anyone know about recording devices suitable for field recordings and them subsequent mixing together. I guess I'm imagining some sort of reasonably good analog or digital recorder and a 4 track mixer or something like that. Any ideas about this or where to start looking for info on this stuff? Thank you for indulging me, Rob - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:10:53 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: Ligeti Thomas, you're posting from the UK, aren't you? The reason I ask is because none of Teldec's "New Line" recordings are out in the USA as yet. The Sharon Isbin disc, with guitar concerti by Christopher Rouse and Tan Dun, is out here on May 15, as is a disc by Bang on a Can and Friends titled 'Lost Objects.' That second release will likely prove interesting in that it features the BoaC composers writing for a baroque instrumental ensemble using period instruments, the excellent Concerto Koln, as well as the much-hyped DJ Spooky (remember him?). The Ligeti release is due here on June 19, along with the Nono and the Pintscher. I haven't heard anything by Pintscher, but he's the newest, hottest young thing out of Germany and already composer in residence at the Cleveland Orchestra. I got advance copies of the Ligeti, Nono and Isbin in the mail today, along with a keen little Ligeti interview disc which includes comments on his pieces, his style (which he dubs "perverse" at one point), Stanley Kubrick and more. I agree with what you say about the quality of the Ligeti recording. The sound is excellent, and I find the recording balance on the Chamber Concerto better than those of Ensemble Intercontemporain on DG and Ensemble Modern on Sony. The harpsichord is not unduly spotlit, for once. The Piano Concerto, with Ligeti's favorite pianist, Pierre-Laurent Aimard, is superb, and the little trumpet concerto Mysteries of the Macabre is a lot of daffy fun. Of course, the thing that should have us all holding our breath is the closing of Teldec's office in Germany by its corporate parent, AOL Time Warner. The label is clearly still active, but without its German repertoire center, I'm somewhat skeptical that the "New Line" will be seen as an imperative for very long. I'd love to be proven wrong, but in the mean time, if this repertoire is of interest, the discs should be snapped up. Thankfully, if Ligeti's any indication, they're worth it. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - Christopher Rouse, 'Concert de Gaudi,' Sharon Isbin, Gulbenkian Orch/Tang (Teldec) ... which is so far a silly po-mo Rodrigo pastiche... - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:16:21 +0200 From: "Francesco Martinelli" Subject: Re: field recording equipment I can tell you how I organized myself: after looking at different technologies (minidisc, DAT, CDR) I settled for DAT at it gives in my opinion the better quality and the option to a quick, hassle-free transfer to Cd for ease of reference and conservation. Among the DAT machines, I choose the Tascam (Teac professional division) DA-P1 as I do not think the cheap small stereo jack connection to microphones available in the Sony machines does justice to the format; Tascam connects with XLR pro connectors. As for microphones, I have a couple of Shure to be used if the concert is in my hometown or nearby; for traveling I just bought a couple of the recommended Core Sound (Teaneck) stealth microphones, very handy - you can clip them on a music stand for example. They need their battery unit to operate well; I have the medium range model, they have a cheap type that sells for 75 dollars and the top sells for one thousand. (the recorder, which doubles as a first class home DAT, costs between 1.300 and 1500 dollars). This way there's no mixing option, but I havent heard of any field recording mad on 4 channels. Francesco - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:24:27 -0000 From: "thomas chatterton" Subject: RE: Ligeti >From: "Steve Smith" >Thomas, you're posting from the UK, aren't you? > No, I'm in Canada. And the Sharon Isbin disc showed up at our shop today...are there other works of Pintscher available? sp:Ligeti Project I nr: Neal Stephenson Cryptonomicon _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:24:19 EDT From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: zorn scores hey, awhile ago, i was considering buying some of zorn's scores, but the prices were a little steep considering i'm a poor high school student. anyway, i figured the quotes might be interesting to you all, considering we were talking about "the book of head"s and all. Memento Mori: $65 Untitled: $45 The Book of Heads: $110 from, matt - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:14:31 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Pintscher (was RE: Ligeti) Yes, there's a disc of Pintscher's music on the Kairos label. It includes part of his opera 'Thomas Chatterton,' which was evidently highly acclaimed and comes out of a Berg-style expressionist idiom, plus the Five Orchestral Pieces, about which an overwhelmingly positive New York Times review still manages to say almost nothing about what the actual music sounds like except little descriptive notes about the ways in which it moves about, and a smaller, shorter work called 'Choc,' after a line by Rimbaud. I note that the single consumer who "reviewed" this at Amazon gave it only one star, stating, "You have to love the likes of Cage, Ligeti, Webern etc to like this music." Well, that sounds like a recommendation to me... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00002DDUG/qid=988254380/sr=1-2/ref=s c_m_3/107-3117655-5999701 There's also some record company puffery about Pintscher and the upcoming disc at http://www.warnerclassics.com/teldec/newline/pintscher.html (If you keep digging around from there, you'll find information about the other four "New Line" releases. No sound samples as yet, though.) Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com (who found the Isbin disc intermittently entertaining, sometimes very much so, but mostly derivative on first listen... and this as a major fan of Chris Rouse's music, less so Tan Dun's recent work...) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:24:49 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: RE: AMM/Globe Unity/Murakami Just picked up the new Murakami tonight - thanks for the heads up. I finally read his 'South of the Border, West of the Sun' last week, and even if it's not considered his best, it made me want to read more. You'll also want to note that Murakami's first non-fiction book is due out any time now as well, according to Time Out New York. It's called 'Undareground,' and it deals with the aftermath of the Aum Shinrikyo sarin nerve gas attack on the Japanese subway system in 1995. The reviewer in Time Out liked it a lot. It seems to have gone straight to paperback, and while Time Out said it would be coming in May, Amazon seems to say that it came out two weeks ago. Adding to the confusion, there's a reader review from February - maybe someone who read it in Japanese? I didn't see it in the bookstore tonight, but then, I wasn't looking in the paperback section. Thanks, too, for the tantalizing description of the AMM/Wolff date. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:31:58 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Murakami typo What a nasty typo THAT was! Of course, the name of Murakami's new non-fiction book is 'Underground.' Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:40:12 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: AMM/Globe Unity/Murakami In a message dated 4/25/01 11:28:40 PM, ssmith36@sprynet.com writes: << You'll also want to note that Murakami's first non-fiction book is due out any time now as well, according to Time Out New York. It's called 'Undareground,' and it deals with the aftermath of the Aum Shinrikyo sarin nerve gas attack on the Japanese subway system in 1995. The reviewer in Time Out liked it a lot. It seems to have gone straight to paperback, and while Time Out said it would be coming in May, Amazon seems to say that it came out two weeks ago. Adding to the confusion, there's a reader review from February - maybe someone who read it in Japanese? I didn't see it in the bookstore tonight, but then, I wasn't looking in the paperback section. >> actually, Underground was released in England last year. I ordered it from Amazon UK, along with Norwegian Wood, when neither of them were scheduled for release here. I never made it too far into Underground. Murakami rounded up everyone he could find who was anywhere near the subway system at the time, interviewed them, and printed the results, a Studs Terkel-esque approach. it's interesting for a while, but I found it became repetitive pretty quickly, and I lost interest. the new novel, on the other hand, Sputnik Sweetheart, I inhaled over the course of last night. it's very good; my favorite of his shorter, less ambitious books. <> sure. Brian and I are off to Bard tomorrow afternoon for their last pre-NYC shows. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:44:27 -0700 From: Tosh Subject: Re: AMM/Globe Unity/Murakami I just finished reading 'Underground' and thought it was interesting. A good snapshot view of Tokyo and its citizens. Murakami I think has done a good job in getting these everyday people describing a day in hell. Actually quite chilling. The weakest part of the book are the interviews with Aum members. > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:56:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Whit Schonbein Subject: minneapolis, usa, may 2-5? people here seem to know what's going on, musically speaking. I'll be in minneapolis, minnesota, usa, from the 2nd through the night of the 5th, and am wondering if there is any intersting music going on. suggestions regarding local musicians welcome. thanks! whit http://artsci.wustl.edu/~wwschonb/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:24:19 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Stravinsky Hi all, As I am trying to complete my Stravinsky collection, I'm looking for good versions of Apollo, Agon, Pulcinella&Firebird SUITES. I've got the 'igor stravinsky edition' versions - which are btw excellent - but I'd like to have some newly recorded versions. I did not listen to those seriously until now - but currently I start to dig them intesly. Any ideas? Marcin Gokieli (who starts again to listen to stravinsky 98% of the time) marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:44:37 +0200 From: Julien Quint Subject: Re: Stravinsky > Hi all, > As I am trying to complete my Stravinsky collection, I'm looking for > good versions of Apollo, Agon, Pulcinella&Firebird SUITES. I've got > the 'igor stravinsky edition' versions - which are btw excellent - but > I'd like to have some newly recorded versions. I did not listen to > those seriously until now - but currently I start to dig them intesly. There is a new recording of the Firebird suite just released this month on Harmonia Mundi, directed by Josep Pons. It is a performance of the most recent version of this work, and it got very good reviews. I picked it up but haven't listened to it yet. Julien - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:44:53 -0400 From: "& c." Subject: Jazz Musicians I'm working on sociology paper about jazz musicians as a subculture. Hopefully, some one could answer this question off-list: Are there or were there any offenses that would cause a musician to be ostrecized from the mainstream establishment? Zach _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:44:49 +0000 From: Rick Lopez Subject: Re: Jazz Musicians on 01.04.26 1:44 PM, & c. at parksplace@hotmail.com wrote: > I'm working on sociology paper about jazz musicians as a subculture. > Hopefully, some one could answer this question off-list: Are there or were > there any offenses that would cause a musician to be ostrecized from the > mainstream establishment? Creativity. Self-expression. There's more, but those two will suffice. RL - ---------- [All of the below and much more at: http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k] Sessionographies : CRISPELL; IBARRA; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SHIPP; D.S. WARE. Discographies : COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; MANERI,; MORRIS; SPEARMAN; THREADGILL; WORKMAN. Also : --Samuel Beckett Eulogy--Baseball & the 10,000 Things--Time Stops --LOVETORN--HARD BOIL-- ETC., WHERE THE HELL HAVE I BEEN??? : LUCILLE / A Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:08:19 -0400 From: "& c." Subject: Re: Jazz Musicians That's what I thought. Ornette Coleman and Zorn I think would be prime examples? Zach _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:03:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Stravinsky & David (R) Off topic, but: Stanvinsky was reported to have said Richard Davis was his favorite bassist after he worked with him in some NY Phil concerts. Any idea of Mr. D. ever recorded with Mr. S.? Ken Waxman - --- Marcin Gokieli wrote: > Hi all, > As I am trying to complete my Stravinsky collection, > I'm looking for > good versions of Apollo, Agon, Pulcinella&Firebird > SUITES. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:15:13 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: The Shell Game Hi everyone! I don't remember if this has been discussed here before. Anybody heard the Berne/Taborn/Rainey album "The Shell Game" on Thirsty Ear Records? I'd like to order it but some opinions would be greatly appreciated. In the meantime, looking forward to the Alasnoaxis concert in Barcelona next Wednesday 2. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Efrén del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:20:09 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Stravinsky On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:24:19 +0200 "Marcin Gokieli" wrote: > > Hi all, > As I am trying to complete my Stravinsky collection, I'm looking for > good versions of Apollo, Agon, Pulcinella&Firebird SUITES. I've got Not new, but Dutoit's version of PULCINELLA is fantastic (in fact like almost anything I know conducted by him). Patrice. - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #397 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com