From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #405 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Saturday, May 5 2001 Volume 03 : Number 405 In this issue: - nearsighted Re: AMM & B-MANN balls-in/out Re: AMM & B-MANN Re: Alasnoaxis (the shape of jazz to come?) Re: AMM & B-MANN Re: AMM & B-MANN (and Cecil Taylor) Master Higgins (NZ) sdrawkcabssa Re: Alasnoaxis (the shape of jazz to come?) Fwd: Re: Alasnoaxis (the shape of jazz to come?) Re: Michael Blake Zorn and WDR orchestra Re: sdrawkcabssa Re: Alasnoaxis (the shape of jazz to come?) Re: Michael Blake Billy Higgins Re: Soft Machine the tango lesson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:16:56 -0400 (EDT) From: alberta Subject: nearsighted three weeks away, and the knit still has no mention of the vision fest on its website. ingrates! - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:30:00 -0700 From: "z~S" Subject: Re: AMM & B-MANN >>>I've seen the Die Like A Dog quartet, both with Kondo and with Campbell, as well as the Tentet, and while the compositions were varied (at least in the Tentet), Brotzmann's playing was almost uniformly balls-out blaring. I've seen him at least six or seven times over the years in different contexts, and I've always felt this to be the case. many people enjoy that, and more power to them, but let's not talk about Brotzmann's varied range of playing, please.<<< I just think people who are more into balls-in improvisation don't listen as carefully to balls-out improvisation. Someone who thinks the silence and whistling at the close of an AMM performance is "riveting" will probably not hear the variety of expression in Brotzmann's expressionism. I find both kinds of music riveting and varied, so I don't mean to sound critical of the AMM description. I loved that description and wish I could have been there to witness it. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:39:37 -0500 From: "Robert A. Pleshar" Subject: balls-in/out I think someone has just coined a new term that we must all use whenever possible. Right now I'm enjoying some of the balls-in improvisation of Jimmy Giuffre and earlier this morning the balls-out Gold Sparkle Band. Boy this works really well. I like both balls-out and balls-in but it depends on the temperature. Rob At 02:30 PM 5/3/01 -0700, z~S wrote: >I just think people who are more into balls-in improvisation don't listen as carefully to >balls-out improvisation. Someone who thinks the silence and whistling at the close >of an AMM performance is "riveting" will probably not hear the variety of expression >in Brotzmann's expressionism. I find both kinds of music riveting and varied, so I >don't mean to sound critical of the AMM description. I loved that description and wish >I could have been there to witness it. > > >- > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:23:44 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: AMM & B-MANN In a message dated 5/3/01 5:32:44 PM, keith@pfmentum.com writes: << I just think people who are more into balls-in improvisation don't listen as carefully to balls-out improvisation. Someone who thinks the silence and whistling at the close of an AMM performance is "riveting" will probably not hear the variety of expression in Brotzmann's expressionism. >> well, this might be the case, and is probably true to an extent for some of the more recent Brotzmann sets I've seen. but even when I was into energy jazz, I wasn't much of a Brotzmann fan, preferring players like Ware and Gayle. I just don't think there's that much "variety of expression in Brotzmann's expressionism", sorry. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:31:19 -0400 From: Ryan Subject: Re: Alasnoaxis (the shape of jazz to come?) I'm curious if you've heard the album and what you think of it. I have a great impression from the music from the recording, but haven't been able t= o see them live. Ryan np: Iancu Dumitrescu "Medium III" (Fernando Grillo!!) - -- From: "Efr=E9n del Valle" Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:20:46 +0200 To: "Zorn-list" Subject: Alasnoaxis (the shape of jazz to come?) After the Alasnoaxis concert (in Barcelona) yesterday night, I must say tha= t I've got something more than mixed feelings about it. =20 My first impression is that in Alasnoaxis, Jim Black has tried to blend too many things all at once, but the ideas seemed underdeveloped to me. As if the compositions led nowhere. Even Black was uninspired. =20 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:31:44 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick Subject: Re: AMM & B-MANN JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote: > > well, this might be the case, and is probably true to an extent for some of > the more recent Brotzmann sets I've seen. but even when I was into energy > jazz, I wasn't much of a Brotzmann fan, preferring players like Ware and > Gayle. I just don't think there's that much "variety of expression in > Brotzmann's expressionism", sorry. His solo recordings that I know ('No Nothing', 'Nothing to Say' and 'Solo') give one a somewhat different perspective on his balls-out playing. A lot more restraint shown there than in his "typical" work in group contexts. Brian Olewnick NP: Master Musicians of Jajouka - Apocalypse Across the Sky - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:54:46 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: AMM & B-MANN (and Cecil Taylor) Have any groups who have played together for 30ish years managed to avoid building a consistent vocabulary as AMM has? Is that necessarily a good thing? "Freedom" might exist to a great extent in the ear of the listener who is less familiar with the group's vocabulary. In a talk today at Johns Hopkins (which was massively disappointing in most ways), Cecil Taylor mentioned that any group of musicians who play together more than a very few times develop a common language. He and Tony Oxley agreed that "non-idiomatic improv" rarely exists, since the languages quickly develop and form into idioms. (The disappointing part? The seminar, supposedly on Composition and Notation, consisted mostly of Cecil quoting fourth-hand ideas of Egyptian mythology, reciting (mostly true but off topic) tirades of revisionist American history (he seems to have just discovered Howard Zinn), and rambling on with interminable gossip about other musicians. The academics in the room quickly gave up on keeping him on course, and the ostensible subject of the seminar rarely came up. Had I know this was going to happen, I wouldn't have taken off work and hopped a train to Baltimore to experience it. I've lost interest in returning there for his shows the next two nights, especially since there seems to be a (familiar sounding) battle on over whether the powers that be will let him play a good piano for fear of his breaking it.) On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:24:32PM -0000, thomas chatterton wrote: > And Brotzmann has > changed so much since then, certainly his playing and compositions with the > Chicago Octet/Tentet are a great indication of this. Whereas AMM are still > ploughing the same furrows they dug some 34 years ago! Please don't get me > wrong here (and I know I'm tredding on dangerous ground!), I have the > greatest respect for AMM and what they do,( I bought their first LP many > years ago), it's just their 'concept' (or as they say in show business, > 'shtick') has now become, shall we say, predictable. Within that domain, > they are still capable of amazing accomplishments, BUT you still know what > the parameters of each performance will be. And your mention of Barry Guy is > also relevant, because I find that players like him and Han Bennick have > also developed a 'free' shtick, in that you now know what their 'outside' > techniques are, and between their predictability and novelty value, are they > necessarily 'free' anymore? Plus, I find they tend to distract from their > other performing and composing strengths. But, hey, this is only my > perception on this, I still maintain the utmost respect for these players, I > just perceive an unresolved paradox in their musical philosophies... - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 00:12:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan William Blum Subject: Master Higgins (NZ) If y'all haven't heard yet, we lost Billy Higgins last night. I'm going to sleep with Lonely Woman on repeat... - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:30:48 -0700 From: "z~S" Subject: sdrawkcabssa Putting in great effort to hear Cecil Taylor talk, then not going to hear him play, is dyslexia at its most severe. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:46:18 +1000 From: "Julian" Subject: Re: Alasnoaxis (the shape of jazz to come?) When I first heard the cd, I was completely blown away, but it took me a few more listens to realise that this was more because of the sounds they are creating rather than the tunes or the solos. I think you certainly have to be in the mood for it. As far as being the shape of jazz to come, such a suggestion certainly makes some sense, well at least more than these electronic albums named "Future Sound Of Jazz" or whatever... It's improvised music but with more of a focus on structure and tone rather than simply blowing at 100 miles an hour. A happy middle ground for me is some of the stuff Peter Epstein's been doing with his quartet - really nice sounds, but with great tunes and expressive solos as well... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:04:57 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Re: Alasnoaxis (the shape of jazz to come?) Hi Ryan, I've not heard the album. Jim Black insisted a few times that it would be on sale after the concert but I didn't feel intrigued with it. Winter & Winter is having a really bad distribution in Barcelona lately. I thought that if the live performance hadn't impressed me, probably those compositions on CD would be even less expressive (IMHO). Maybe I'm wrong and the concert was a bad exception in their career. Greetings, Efrén del valle - --- Ryan escribió: > Fecha: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:31:19 -0400 > Asunto: Re: Alasnoaxis (the shape of jazz to come?) > De: Ryan > Para: Zorn List > > I'm curious if you've heard the album and what you > think of it. I have a > great impression from the music from the recording, > but haven't been able to > see them live. > > Ryan > np: Iancu Dumitrescu "Medium III" (Fernando > Grillo!!) > > > -- > From: "Efrén del Valle" > Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:20:46 +0200 > To: "Zorn-list" > Subject: Alasnoaxis (the shape of jazz to come?) > > > After the Alasnoaxis concert (in Barcelona) > yesterday night, I must say that > I've got something more than mixed feelings about > it. > > My first impression is that in Alasnoaxis, Jim Black > has tried to blend too > many things all at once, but the ideas seemed > underdeveloped to me. As if > the compositions led nowhere. > Even Black was uninspired. > > > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicación inmediata gratis con tus amigos - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:14:40 +0100 (WET DST) From: Ricardo Reis Subject: Re: Michael Blake \../, > >From: Ken Waxman > > And it's perhaps worth noting as well that the ancient Chams were piratic > rivals of the Khmers and are depicted in the bas reliefs at Angkor. Some > outstanding examples of their own Hindu-inspired architecture remain at Nha > Trang and Phan Rang Thap Cham in the south of what is now Vietnam. And > while the ancient Chams were Hindu, the 60,000 currently living Chams are > Muslim and live largely in the south. They were completely absorbed into > Vietnam in the 17th century, but initially they dominated the southern part > of the peninsula and were rivals of the Vietnamese, who controlled the > north. What a nice oportunity to remind a good book: "La voie royale" ("the royal way" ?) from Andre Malraux... greets, Ricardo Reis "Non Serviam" - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:11:24 +0200 From: Fritz Feger Subject: Zorn and WDR orchestra Hi, yesterday I heard in the radio that the WDR Orchestra (West German Broadcast, Cologne) has ordered a composition from John Zorn which is due to be performed and recorded this year. The WDR orchestra is brilliant, and they have, probably good for Zorn, some bucks to spend. Unfortunately, when the radio speaker continued with some sentences of remarks, my car radio only received noise. When I finally reached a position with sufficient sound, he had already passed over to the next topic... a very zorn-ish experience, I kind of enjoyed it. Best; Fritz. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:26:27 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: sdrawkcabssa On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 09:30:48PM -0700, z~S wrote: > Putting in great effort to hear Cecil Taylor talk, then not going to hear him play, is dyslexia at its most severe. I've heard him play. I think I'd be too grumpy after this last event to listen clearly to him play this weekend. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:26:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Alasnoaxis (the shape of jazz to come?) The Wire predicting "the future of jazz" is sort of like George W. Bush discussing the future of peace. Ken Waxman - --- Efrén_del_Valle wrote: > After reading so much appraisal to the group and > even seeing in "The Wire" a statement that this is > "the future of jazz" I hope that they're very wrong. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:35:02 -0700 From: "Patrice L. Roussel" Subject: Re: Michael Blake On Fri, 4 May 2001 11:14:40 +0100 (WET DST) Ricardo Reis wrote: > > What a nice oportunity to remind a good book: "La voie royale" > ("the royal way" ?) from Andre Malraux... If you can stand the usual infatuation of intellectuals for "men of action". I am sure that Nabokov would have described this book as literature for teenagers :-). HUMAN CONDITION, IMHO, is a much better novel (from a literaty point of view), and its historical dimension is quite strong. Patrice. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Theo Klaase Subject: Billy Higgins - --0-1330573317-989002978=:56190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Billy Higgins died yesterday, May 2nd from liver complications and pneumonia... He'd played with Coleman, Rollins, Metheny, Redman, Monk and many more... - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices - --0-1330573317-989002978=:56190 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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Hi everyone!
 
I just found in towerrecords.com a = film with a=20 soundrack by Fred Frith. The title is "The Tango Lesson". I = feel like=20 there is some error there since as the title says, the score must be = based on=20 tangos.
 
Anybody knows something about this=20 film?
 
Regards,
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