From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #428 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Tuesday, May 15 2001 Volume 03 : Number 428 In this issue: - Re: the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince toys n orchestras/ moek & toyk weird instruments Re: toys n orchestras/ moek & toyk CUD Re: the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince Re: toys z-list/ scelsi (no subject) Prince....name that tune.... Re: Love, Madness, Mysticism Re: weird instruments Consolidated Queer 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:36:36 EDT From: Nudeants@aol.com Subject: Re: the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince Actually, I find the Gold Experience album to be overall one of his stronger more 'recent' efforts. There are many, many wonderful songs on that album. Then again, I doubt one could find any two Prince fans that agree completely on what are the good records. After all, I think Emancipation has mostly great stuff, and Crystal Ball has a large proportion of high quality stuff as well. A friend of mine once posited that 1999 defined the sound that Prince was to use for the rest of his career, and that every texture contained on every subsequent album was essentially a slight variation on the 1999 album in some way. - -matt mitchell >>Hmm, I hadn't seen anyone mention "Come" before as a fave. I thought the contractual-fulfillment albums ("Come", "The Gold Experience", and "Chaos and Destruction") were kinda weak, though "Come" does include one of my favorite of his tracks, "Solo". - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:38:58 EDT From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: toys n orchestras/ moek & toyk dear zornies a brief snip of a personal letter i got from Corey of Toychestra (thanks to you all for this toy music thread) i sent him a fwd of the zorn-list-digest to peruse, and he treated me to a fab description of a moekestra gig. steve koenig n.p.: big city orkestra: a child's guide to noise (7") "Steve, Thanks for the [zorn] digest. It's cool--reminds me of the Bay Area New Music list we have here... By the way, the Residents did some cool toy stuff, and we get compared to them quite often. By the way, Toychestra played with Moekestra! on that smashing piano bill that the digest discusses. It was last Saturday and it was amazing to see and hear. 28 musicians and a whole lot of smashing. I was struck by how cathartic that destruction ritual can be for a group of people--afterward, everyone picked over the piano bits as if it were a turkey carcas atThanksgiving. Our set was awesome as well, of course. Corey" - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:34:47 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" Subject: weird instruments Maybe not exactly about toys, but there's an interesting book called "Gravikords, whirlies & pyrophones-Experimental Musical Instruments" I bought recently. it comes with a CD and features the weirdest luthiers you could think of: Harry Partch, Luigi Russolo, Ken Butler, Leon Theremin or Hans Reichel, among many others. Also a preface by great Tom Waits on his experience with unusual instrumentation. The author is Bart Hopkin and the publisher "Ellipsis Arts". I think there is actually a magazine dealing with strange instruments that has something to do with this book. Sorry about a specially confusing English today. Greetings, Efrén - -----Original Message----- From: Skip Heller To: konrad ; zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Date: lunes, 14 de mayo de 2001 19:53 Subject: Death of a Toy Piano ? > >Does anyone know of any ensembles that record exclusively on toy >instruments? > >skip h > >np: Gigi Gryce -- Nica's Tempo (excellent quartet with Monk) > > >- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:44:37 -0400 (EDT) From: konrad Subject: Re: toys n orchestras/ moek & toyk On Tue, 15 May 2001 Acousticlv@aol.com wrote: > a brief snip of a personal letter i got from Corey of Toychestra > (thanks to you all for this toy music thread) > i sent him a fwd of the zorn-list-digest to peruse, and he treated > me to a fab description of a moekestra gig. I think you mean 'she.' ^Z - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:52:03 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Marsh?= Subject: CUD apologies for any crosspostings etc. may 24th at the spitz - chicago underground duo, lob Chicago Underground Duo - Rob Mazurek (cornet, electronics) Chad Taylor (drums, vibes) - only London date for the Duo, whose synthesis of post AACM free jazz, grooves and electronics has been beautifully documented on a series of records on thrill jockey, inbetween Mazurek and Taylor's other activities with the likes of Tortoise, Fred Anderson, Gastr Del Sol and Isotope 217. their own description of themselves; "an organic mixture of African, Electronic, Coloristic, Jazz influenced life supporting systematic, non-systematic feeling from two humans trying ever to expand outward and inward for the people and ourselves". Lob - Andy Cato (drums) Ralph Littlejohn (saxophones, samples) Peter Marsh (electric bass) Debra Scacco (flute) Paul Simmonds (atmospherics, loops) Ian R. Watson (trumpet, guitar) London based electric astrojazzers mixing deepspace ambience with beats and cosmic jazz improv. the wire said: '"Lob continue to luxuriate in the sounds they love best, namely early 70s Miles Davis bolstered with additional slabs of funk and trimmed with extra electronic treatments. The result is agreeably free from pretension and is largely irresistible". the spitz - 109 commercial street, london e1 (liverpool st/aldgate east tube) doors 8pm box office (020) 7771 2000 info (020)7392 9032 www.ticketweb.co.uk ===== lob - astralpunkfunkambientnoisejazz http://www.lentils.demon.co.uk http://www.mp3.com/lobstuff ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:58:03 -0700 From: Skip Heller Subject: Re: the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince > Actually, I find the Gold Experience album to be overall one of his stronger > more 'recent' efforts. There are many, many wonderful songs on that album. > Then again, I doubt one could find any two Prince fans that agree completely > on what are the good records. After all, I think Emancipation has mostly > great stuff, and Crystal Ball has a large proportion of high quality stuff as > well. > > A friend of mine once posited that 1999 defined the sound that Prince was to > use for the rest of his career, and that every texture contained on every > subsequent album was essentially a slight variation on the 1999 album in some > way. > > -matt mitchell > > >>> Hmm, I hadn't seen anyone mention "Come" before as a fave. I thought the > contractual-fulfillment albums ("Come", "The Gold Experience", and > "Chaos and Destruction") were kinda weak, though "Come" does include > one of my favorite of his tracks, "Solo". > > > > - > Actually, I think COME is the best Kool & the Gang tribute album ever. skip h - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:57:57 -0400 From: "H. Figurine" Subject: Re: toys > http://www.carrionsound.com/ > The man makes musical instruments out of toys.My favorites have to be the > pikachu labotomy and the collection of suped up 'speak and spell', 'speak > and read' and 'speak and math' toys. > I think you can listen to sound samples there too. or check out any not breathing cd :) http://www.notbreathing.com/ =H= - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:17:38 EDT From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: z-list/ scelsi In a message dated 5/15/01 1:36:56 PM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << Has anyone from the list ever seen / read a good publication on the composer Scelsi? >> howdy patrice i have to look it up; i had some bookmarked but now misplaced. my friend composer/saxo robert reigle spent time with scelsi in roma, and premiered and adapted some of his works. he just left for samoa for a month, but i'll get back to you on books and articles. there are some new scelsi accord CDs that arent being imported to the usa, damn it. regards steve koenig n.p. "a03" anthology + book/ durian records, incl kaffe matthews, werner dafeldecker & al - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:42:46 EDT From: RogerHParry@cs.com Subject: (no subject) Yet an udder: ZORN BITS 23:04 Monday, 3 July 2000=20 And I quit the [Barbican, London, UK] auditorium at 2205. I went up to the=20 circle bar and had a bottle Blackthorn cider and discovered that the show wa= s=20 expected to be over at 2245. So, off I went by taxi, giving up on the=20 projected encounter post-show with S and C. I had found them up there prior=20 to the start and had agreed to re-convene afterwards. I was there in time to= =20 get my ticket, best seats, mine K25 in the stalls. Then I wandered about and= =20 encountered SB. Then K found me=E2=80=A6 She reported that SB had earlier be= en=20 enraged at the Stage Door when staff had refused him access to Mr Zorn. We=20 went up to listen to IST - Messrs Rhodri Davies, Simon Fell and Mark Wastell= =20 - - who were playing to the upper foyer residents, free free! Given the=20 relatively high ambient noise level and the low dynamic of the performance,=20 one had to get close to the musicians to hear well. =E2=80=A6 By 2000, or no= t much=20 past, all were in their seats and the show got underway. Forty=E2=80=A6minut= es of=20 Derek, Steve and Pat: AND (Derek Bailey, Pat Thomas and Steve Noble, played=20 upon linguistically by the show's emcee.) [And by me - ANDandZorn: There=20 should be a space between 'AND' and 'and' and 'and' and 'Zorn'=E2=80=A6 {six= =20 consecutive 'and's in a legitimate sentence!}] In the interval, I went out=20 and had a drink. A young man addressed me and we had an interesting chat.=20 Then it was in again for part two. Loud, John Zorn and company - barefoot=20 Fred Frith of fleet footwork, a purple Bill Laswell and the phenomenon of th= e=20 drums, David Lombardo (and not Guy, as Derek had kidded me a couple of night= s=20 ago.) =E2=80=A6 On the way there, by taxi, I had passed - at 1831 - the Wigm= ore Hall.=20 It must have been 1972, I thought, when I was there by chance after a sessio= n=20 with the British Shipping Federation=E2=80=A6 Being free in the evening, I m= ade my=20 way over there and got a front row seat, left of middle, for a solo piano=20 performance by a Daniel Adni. I found myself almost the only Gentile under=20 scrutiny among a mass of Jews. I was relieved when Mr Adni came out to play=20= - -=20 blond and handsome! That show was succeeded by a splendid solo meal in a=20 small French restaurant where, I recall, a trainer of horses ate with an=20 owner to abundant racing chat Might amuse someone... Best regards Roger Parry - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:46:35 -0700 From: "D Dvb" Subject: Prince....name that tune.... Hi all, I'm a newcomer to this list and all this talk about Prince jars my mind of a song that I was looking for. There is a very popular kickboxing organization in Japan called K-1 and every couple of months, they have TV special broadcasts of their events and it seems to me that their opening theme song is a Prince song that I've never heard before and don't know the name of. I thought this might be the best place to ask or at least ask for a good way to go about finding the name of this song. While we're playing this game, in Godard's "Breathless" in the beginning, as the protagonist is fighting with that man in his hotel room, there is a lovely waltz in the jukebox. Any clues as to what it was? Thanks in advance to any answers and sorry for wasting bandwidth with my ignorance. Davy np: AMM - Laminal disc 2 (much better than the performance I saw in Oakland a few weeks back) nr: Rushdie - The Ground Beneath Her Feet, The Real Frank Zappa Book, Melter - - A Whore Just Like the Rest _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:34:14 EDT From: Orangejazz@aol.com Subject: Re: Love, Madness, Mysticism - --part1_1e.15c26c6a.28334126_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey, i don't think this message is appropriate, being that it actually has SOME Zorn content :) but um.. I picked it up the other day, and while I must say I'm personally eagearly awaiting Songs of the Hermetic Theater, the pieces presented on this album are definitely worth hearing. As I've mentioned a lot before, I'm a very big fan of Zorn's semi-classical compositions, maybe just a little bit more than his other projects. But don't get me wrong, I hold them all in VERY high regard, just ask my girlfriend, who thinks I'm a pretentious jerk. :) Anyway here are some random thoughts. "Love, Madness, and Mysticism", while being a good collection of pieces, is not an excellent collection of pieces. Specifically disappointing for me, was the "Untitled" piece for Solo Cello. While Friedlander's virtuosity is very well displayed, it was never really in question. "Amour Fou", 20 minutes in length, is by far this album's greatest achievement. It's hard to point out exactly what's so striking here. The instruments mesh perfectly, and his vocabularly of visual sound is as lucid as ever. Almost always, I think, he throws in at least one quote from another one of his pieces, and I think there's a pretty clear example in this one. This album is very different mood-wise from his other written works. I don't really have any other ideas on the subject now, I'll listen to it some more, and if something pops up, I'll let you know. from, matt http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins - --part1_1e.15c26c6a.28334126_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey,

i don't think this message is appropriate, being that it actually has SOME
Zorn content :) but um.. I picked it up the other day, and while I must say
I'm personally eagearly awaiting Songs of the Hermetic Theater, the pieces
presented on this album are definitely worth hearing.
As I've mentioned a lot before, I'm a very big fan of Zorn's semi-classical
compositions, maybe just a little bit more than his other projects. But don't
get me wrong, I hold them all in VERY high regard, just ask my girlfriend,
who thinks I'm a pretentious jerk. :)
Anyway here are some random thoughts. "Love, Madness, and Mysticism", while
being a good collection of pieces, is not an excellent collection of pieces.
Specifically disappointing for me, was the "Untitled" piece for Solo Cello.
While Friedlander's virtuosity is very well displayed, it was never really in
question. "Amour Fou", 20 minutes in length, is by far this album's greatest
achievement. It's hard to point out exactly what's so striking here. The
instruments mesh perfectly, and his vocabularly of visual sound is as lucid
as ever. Almost always, I think, he throws in at least one quote from another
one of his pieces, and I think there's a pretty clear example in this one.
This album is very different mood-wise from his other written works. I don't
really have any other ideas on the subject now, I'll listen to it some more,
and if something pops up, I'll let you know.
from,
matt
http://www.mp3.com/mattwellins

- --part1_1e.15c26c6a.28334126_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:37:16 -0400 From: "Caleb T. Deupree" Subject: Re: weird instruments At 10:34 PM 5/15/01 +0200, Efr=E9n del Valle wrote: > >The author is Bart Hopkin and the publisher "Ellipsis Arts". I think there >is actually a magazine dealing with strange instruments that has something >to do with this book. The magazine *was* Experimental Musical Instruments, but I believe it is now defunct. Hopkin published two compilations, the one already mentioned and another whose name is escaping me. Nevertheless, Anomalous carries many back issues of the magazine as well as the compilations, so interested parties can check there for specifics. - -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree@erinet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:10:07 -0400 From: "Jeton Ademaj" Subject: Consolidated Queer 1 some specific replies, in order of people who first reacted: Ben: For the most part, when 'scholars' look for 'gayness' in music, they're not looking for aural suggestions of samesex lordosis or penetration (although i'd be down with that!), what they're looking for is usually more complicated: suggestions of emotional coyness or concealment, abstract (sometimes plainly phallic) inferences into instrumentation ("..the two violin melodies seem to wrestle with each other...") or a host of other sometimes shaky techniques. Scholars may also wish to infer a general existential effect due to an artists sexuality (eg, some 'gay' artists may have experienced a greater than average amount of anxiety about their romantic or carnal pursuits, etc) This is where u err when u say that sexuality is not as universal as gender/race/religion: in any given locale there will be at least 2 different gender identities, and consciousnes of racial identity would be in the context of none (homogenous societies where people don't know/care about such difference) to one(Us n Them) or multiplicitous (NYC), BUT, They will ALL share a sexual consciousness just as much as one of joy, pain, boredom, comedy or drama. i think u confused sexuality with sexual oppression, and of course gay studies would be concerned about the experience of either or both. Furthermore, I think reading racial oppression into Coltrane's wails is a taller order (requiring more abstraction) than hearing an almost sexual wrestle in the duets of dolphy/mingus---but of course THAT'S JUST ME. I think both types of reading are possible, incidentally. ps: (from your first response) your D was really a dressed-up C. Steve: I'm sorry u felt the need to defend yourself, because it wasn't my intent to goad u And i'm unpersuaded. i do believe the *particular* things u said to defend yourself were largely in line with the "multiculturalism run amok" canard i included to begin with, and i think most responses to this have been in that vein. When Bill leapfrogged my initial question ("what the fuck is so ridiculous") by conceding personal homophobia as a factor that intensified his winking concurrence with your point, it was polite but banal. i knew that already. When u 1st mentioned the dolphymingus theory u set it up with "described, in all seriousness, as" it's already clear u utterly disagree, but it was the Seinfeld reference which irked. it seemed a way of inoculating yourself against accusation. What i'd actually hoped for was a focused argumentative rebuttal ("obviously Mingus and Dolphy shared a contentious relationship as evinced by yadadada but blahblah and foofoofoo suggest that it was nonsexual, and yet all that the 'scholar' had to show was zibzibzib..."). instead u joined the growing chorus singing the straight white man's burden, while complaining about a lack of credible argument. Thomas: what exactly did the "african aurally raped" story have to do with the points discussed beyond being an additional complaint on the multiculti hordes? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #428 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. These are organized by date. Problems? Email the list owner at zorn-list-owner@lists.xmission.com