From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #434 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, May 18 2001 Volume 03 : Number 434 In this issue: - ZORNGEM A Fwd: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism Re: Playing inside the piano Re: Playing inside the piano Pascal Battus/Jerome Noetinger metamkine us distrib Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #433 BENEATH THE BORQA in Afghanistan AMM/academics (conference notice) Re: AMM Re: Playing inside the piano Re: Playing inside the piano toy music -- nintendo gamboy RE: Playing inside the piano Misha Mengelberg? Fwd: Misha Mengelberg? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 03:23:17 EDT From: RogerHParry@cs.com Subject: ZORNGEM A An extract from a work in progress at a leisurely pace in which ZORN appears- A 1984 3. Company Week 84: DOCUMENT 930319.6 (A paper document, 8 x half -A4 pages) (Page 1 - black on yellow) "COMPANY WEEK 1984 27th June-1st July ICA Theatre, London ANTONY PAY DEREK BAILEY JOHN ZORN MICK BECK PHIL DURRANT PHILLIP EASTOP STUART JONES THEBE LIPERE WILL EVANS" (page 2) (A monochrome photograph of DB, standing, with guitar) (page 3) (Instrumentation for musicians, as listed, is given: clarinet; guitars; reeds; reeds; violin; horn; cello; percussion; percussion. The following statement, ascribed to "Derek Bailey", appears - "For Company in 1984 I have brought together a group of musicians who have not previously worked as an ensemble. They come from different parts of the musical universe and in some cases are completely unfamiliar with each other's work. We shall make music together on the basis of a shared interest in improvisation. Everybody appears each evening in groupings to be decided immediately before each performance.") (Pages 4 - 7) (These pages give brief details of each musician, together with a monochrome photograph of each) (Page 8, black on yellow) "With financial assistance from the Arts Council of Great Britain". [END] Best regards Roger Parry Anyone for more? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:00:17 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism Hi everyone! I had the chance to listen to these new pieces yesterday for the first time. In opposition to what someone commented on some days ago, I'd regard the Erik Fridelander solo performance as excellent. In general terms, "Love..." is such an enjoyable listening, although maybe somehow harsh for those who aren't fans of Zorn's contemporary classical projects. To make myself clear, I wouldn't recommend this as a starter for Zorn's classical stuff. The trio performance is no less than superb. However, these compositions need specially repated listenings so I'm in no position to comment in depth. Many of you talk about "Songs of the Hermetic Theater" but I've not read or heard about it yet. What's that supposed to be about? Regards, Efrén del VAlle - --- Jeni Dahmus escribió: > De: Jeni Dahmus > Para: "'zorn-list@lists.xmission.com'" > > Asunto: RE: Love, Madness, Mysticism > Fecha: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:29:23 -0400 > > Orangejazz@aol.com wrote: > hey, > i don't think this message is appropriate, being > that it actually has SOME > Zorn content :) but um.. I picked it up the other > day, and while I must say > I'm personally eagearly awaiting Songs of the > Hermetic Theater, the pieces > presented on this album are definitely worth > hearing. As I've mentioned a > lot before, I'm a very big fan of Zorn's > semi-classical compositions, maybe > just a little bit more than his other projects. But > don't get me wrong, I > hold them all in VERY high regard, just ask my > girlfriend, who thinks I'm a > pretentious jerk. :) Anyway here are some random > thoughts. "Love, Madness, > and Mysticism", while being a good collection of > pieces, is not an excellent > collection of pieces. > ------------------------------ > > > Can you please explain what you mean by > semi-classical? The pieces on Love, > Madness, and Mysticism are notated and draw on > contemporary classical > techniques, such as pitch sets. I agree that Zorn's > classical projects are > among his most interesting. I find this collection > excellent, not just > good. > > Jeni > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger: Comunicación instantánea gratis con tu gente - http://messenger.yahoo.es - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:40:45 +0200 From: Oger Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano > >samuel yrui said: > >once i was playing two saxes and my friend said: "it's been done." so i >started playing one sax and said: "so has this." >if playing inside the piano is cliche, then outside of it must just be the >dinosaur days. no... i'm being a little to overboard in my comparision. >but what i mean is that inside or outside of the piano, i think as long as >the pianist doesn't think of playing inside of the piano as an avant garde >gimmick, but that they do what needs to be done to get the sounds they have >in their head by any means necessary. it just makes it sound like your >saying that perhaps there is a small amount of options inside of the piano >than outside of it, which i don't think is true, although the thing was made >for playing on the keys. but i agree that a lot of people probably do it >when it isn't really necessary, but just for the trend of "ooh, crazy." > anyway, > -samuel > Well, I apologize to add a new name of pianist playing (from time to time) inside the piano : Sophie Agnel. I think she deserves listening. She has made a good solo CD on french label Vandoeuvre. She will play at Victoriaville this year with turntablist Eric M and trumpetist Axel Dorner. Jacques Oger np : "Points, snags and windings" John Butcher/Dylan van de Schyff (Meniscus) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:40:32 +0200 From: Oger Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano > >samuel yrui said: > >once i was playing two saxes and my friend said: "it's been done." so i >started playing one sax and said: "so has this." >if playing inside the piano is cliche, then outside of it must just be the >dinosaur days. no... i'm being a little to overboard in my comparision. >but what i mean is that inside or outside of the piano, i think as long as >the pianist doesn't think of playing inside of the piano as an avant garde >gimmick, but that they do what needs to be done to get the sounds they have >in their head by any means necessary. it just makes it sound like your >saying that perhaps there is a small amount of options inside of the piano >than outside of it, which i don't think is true, although the thing was made >for playing on the keys. but i agree that a lot of people probably do it >when it isn't really necessary, but just for the trend of "ooh, crazy." > anyway, > -samuel > Well, I apologize to add a new name of pianist playing (from time to time) inside the piano : Sophie Agnel. I think she deserves listening. She has made a good solo CD on french label Vandoeuvre. She will play at Victoriaville this year with turntablist Eric M and trumpetist Axel Dorner. Jacques Oger np : "Points, snags and windings" John Butcher/Dylan van de Schyff (Meniscus) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:41:59 +0200 From: Oger Subject: Pascal Battus/Jerome Noetinger > >I don't have my copy of WIRE here right now, but is >anyone familiar with a couple of the artists Keith >Rowe mentions as being personal favorites working >today...a guitarist with the last name Battus and a >group with Jerome Noetinger called Metamkine-something-or-other? Jerome Noetinger is a very interesting musician. Playing tape music, electronics, electroacoustic, amplified objects, sampling, sound ... He plays in Mimeo. He plays with Lionel Marchetti. They have released a CD on StaalPlaat : "Mort aux Vaches". And another one on Corpus Hermeticum (New Zealand) with violonist Mathieu Werchowski. There will be a CD release on Potlatch with Agnel/Noetinger/Marchetti by the end of year 2001. Pascal Battus was a drummer. Now he plays guitar (laid on table) and more and more amplified objects. I saw him recently and I was amazed by his playing. He belongs to a guitar quartet called "Misere et cordes" and a CD is already released on Potlatch and will be available very soon in june 2001. He should release a CD with trio Pheromone (including saxophonist Jean-Luc Guionnet and hurly-gurly player Eric Cordier) on Corpus Hermeticum in fall 2001. Jacques Oger - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:00:35 EDT From: Acousticlv@aol.com Subject: metamkine us distrib In a message dated 5/17/01 9:35:31 PM, owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << Rowe seems to have superlative praise for Metamkine, but I've had a spot of trouble tracing down any domestic distribution, discogs, etc. >> a french label that does 3" CDs of electronic musics. available thru anomalousrecords.com usually at 6.99 USD. probably some also thru my fave little distrib, manifoldrecords.com. yrs steve koenig I cover all media: cassettes, vinyl, CD-r, SACD, DVD, books, magazines, and video. I acknowledge, via e-mail, receipt of promotional items, and send tearsheets and text/URL when reviews are printed. Cordially, Steve Koenig 2625 East 13 Street, 2K Brooklyn NY 11235-4422 tel. 718 332 6517 email: AcousticLv@aol.com Jazz Journalists Association, member LaFolia.com, New York Editor JazzWeekly.com, New York Correspondent Signal To Noise, Staff Writer AllAboutJazz.com, Contributor Perfect Sound Forever, Contributor - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:52:44 EDT From: CuneiWay@aol.com Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #433 I wrote: >The Tom Cora orgy begins on Thurs. May 17th. I *MEANT* to write: The Tom Cora orgy begins on Thurs May *24th* Sorry! Steve - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:52:43 -0400 From: Perfect Sound Forever Subject: BENEATH THE BORQA in Afghanistan Caipirinha Records is putting on a really interested show for a worthwhile cause next week. Check it out: http://www.aah-usa.org/events.html Best, Jason - -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound@furious.com http://www.furious.com/perfect - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Handley Subject: AMM/academics (conference notice) Since we've been speaking about both of these subjects, I thought I would mention this, for those with access to London: SECOND BIENNIAL INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON TWENTIETH-CENTURY MUSIC DEPT OF MUSIC, GOLDSMITHS COLLEGE, UNIVERSITY OF LONDON Thursday 28 June - Sunday 1 July 2001 http://musicinfo.gold.ac.uk/music/C20%20Conference Just to mention the most germane items, Christopher Hobbs (ex-AMM?) will be delivering a lecture, as well as John Tilbury ("Feldman and the Piano: the art of touch and the celebration of contingency"); and there will be a roundtable on "performance issues" which includes Tilbury and Eddie Prevost, among others. I notice that Tilbury will perform with a Sebastian Lexer (who is this?) in a "live electronics" setting. There's a lecture on "The Music of John Zorn and Schizoanalysis" and entire panels on John Cage and Ligeti, respectively. I'd be interested to know how the conference goes, if anyone here is attending; as interesting as some of the titles are, it would be nice to see what shape the music writing/thinking takes. - -----s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:40:44 -0700 From: "D Dvb" Subject: Re: AMM <<>> <> Just to clarify: despite the correction, I really did mean Prevost and I was trying to say that on stage, there were moments where it seemed like he was looking_for_anything to strike his percussion set, similiar to an 18-year old kid who doesn't know how to play his new guitar and is looking for some object to scrape across the strings to make a "cool" sound. As for Rowe, he just sat at the table the whole time. Now I'm not implying that Prevost is a complete amateur (on the contrary, he's the most interesting aspect of the three IMO) and shame on me for mixing my images and instruments in such a confusing manner, but that's just the thought that struck me at the show. Putting my neophyte status aside when it comes to this type of music, I read an earlier post about Tilbury talking about this new, subdued(?) direction in AMMMusic and is it possible that perhaps this new direction doesn't resonate within me? Or perhaps I just prefer my improvisation balls-out (hehe)? Davy np: Sonic Youth - Washing Machine (as an aside to Jon's comment about Shipp, Taylor, et al, I don't like much either Rowe's or Moore's playing and tend to blame Sonic Youth's relatively few good moments on Lee Renaldo). _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:05:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Waxman Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano David: An early example of "playing inside the piano" was courtesy of Burton Greene on his trio album on ESP-Disk. The sleeve lists that he plays "piano harp" as well as piano and that's how he uses the instrument. Also any chance of Jarett "diving in" and being pulled down by an undrcurrent? Ken Waxman - --- DvdBelkin@aol.com wrote: > To my knowledge, the first jazzer to do this kind of > stuff on record was Roger Kellaway, on the > composition "Brats" on his 1965 trio album. > Actually, that was a prepared piano; don't know if > he went inside it during the performance. Anybody > know of earlier significant examples involving > jazzers (yes, genre lines would be problematic), > live or on record? When did Jarrett start diving > in? _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:20:04 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:05:14PM -0400, Ken Waxman wrote: > An early example of "playing inside the piano" was > courtesy of Burton Greene on his trio album on > ESP-Disk. The sleeve lists that he plays "piano harp" > as well as piano and that's how he uses the > instrument. I was in a group in which several of us took turns on piano harp in college in the late 70s. It was just out of serendipity, though: there was what had once been a piano in our dorm lounge, from which the keyboard, etc, had been destroyed and disappeared and all that remained was the back section with the strings exposed. Needless to say, the music wasn't particularly portable. Some years later, when I lived in Brooklyn, another piano harp appeared in someone's trash a couple of blocks away and stayed there for months. Unfortunately, it was too heavy to be able to ferret away to my upstairs apartment. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:32:07 -0700 From: "Martin Wisckol" Subject: toy music -- nintendo gamboy klangstabil -- "gioco bambino" (plate lunch) -- "only a nintendo gameboy with additional camera cartridge and some simple effect appliances were used. no overdubs." martin np. pierre dorge/new jungle orchestra -- zig zag zymphony - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:57:47 -0700 From: "Reuben Radding" Subject: RE: Playing inside the piano Of course the real pioneer of all this stuff, including Bley, Greene, etc, is the great Henry Cowell, whose pieces "Aeolian Harp" and "Sinister Resonance" were vastly influential. A major collection of his piano works appeared on Folkways Records in the early 60's and I have to assume this had some effect on Jazz-related pianists taking up inside the piano technique. That collection is on CD now, and I highly reccomend it. RR - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joseph Zitt Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 8:20 AM To: Ken Waxman Cc: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Playing inside the piano On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:05:14PM -0400, Ken Waxman wrote: > An early example of "playing inside the piano" was > courtesy of Burton Greene on his trio album on > ESP-Disk. The sleeve lists that he plays "piano harp" > as well as piano and that's how he uses the > instrument. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:19:21 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Misha Mengelberg? Anyone know where I can lay my hands on some Misha discs? Many advance thanks, Tom ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:53:17 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= Subject: Fwd: Misha Mengelberg? Hi!, There's a trio with Baron and Brad Jones on Avant (or was it DIW?) called "Who's Bridge". Someone on the list recommended it to me and indeed he was right! Also on Hathut, "two days in chicago", a double cd. really good! regards, efrén - --- Samerivertwice@aol.com escribió: > De: Samerivertwice@aol.com > Fecha: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:19:21 EDT > Asunto: Misha Mengelberg? > Para: alazier@princeton.edu, > zorn-list@lists.xmission.com > > Anyone know where I can lay my hands on some Misha > discs? > > Many advance thanks, > Tom > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of > Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, > and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to > music." > > - > _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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